Only a matter of time until the Irish go back to not being "white" anymore to American conservatives.
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Only a matter of time until the Irish go back to not being "white" anymore to American conservatives.
That's unsurprisingly some kind of terrible Brit though.
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@Monkey:
That's unsurprisingly some kind of terrible Brit though.
The only thing lacking in the tweet is to say that Thatcher was the only one with a spine to face the vile Irish menance.
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@Monkey:
That's unsurprisingly some kind of terrible Brit though.
There's a ton of overlap between terrible British conservatives and terrible American conservatives thanks to the Murdoch family though. If British conservatives press this, it'll start showing up here as well.
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There's a ton of overlap between terrible British conservatives and terrible American conservatives thanks to the Murdoch family though. If British conservatives press this, it'll start showing up here as well.
Eh I don't know.
Irishophilia (I know that can't be the right term lol) is very very widespread in the US on both sides of the aisle.
Anti Irish prejudice and general raging is extremely effected by local conditions over there in ways that don't really translate directly to the US either. It would be like trying to make anti-Mexican racism big in the UK, like beyond a sombrero joke or two that won't really find much ground. -
@Monkey:
The weirdest American flag I've seen randomly abroad was the NY Yankees flag being casually sold at beachside kiosks, especially as someone from CT this was hilarious.
I kept picturing Red Sox fans losing their mind about it if they stumbled onto things."How did deeze Greeks fihnd dis evil empihah flag so fahr away???"
It's a conspiracy!!
@Monkey:
Eh I don't know.
Irishophilia (I know that can't be the right term lol) is very very widespread in the US on both sides of the aisle.
Anti Irish prejudice and general raging is extremely effected by local conditions over there in ways that don't really translate directly to the US either. It would be like trying to make anti-Mexican racism big in the UK, like beyond a sombrero joke or two that won't really find much ground. -
I'm watching a brazilian cable news right now following the russian invasion… and it's all very standard and obvious talking points.
But when Putin mentions Ukraine's nazification as his justification (which is obviously a lot of rethoric), it's weird to me that the journalists talk as if there's not a single ounce of truth to that. They seem completely oblivious to the fact that Ukraine does have a relevant nazi civil movement, as well as a nazi national guard called Azov Battalion. This should be mentioned as part of the discussion, even if to be explained in context with the political situation on Ukraine.
I'm not calling Ukraine nazi, btw, and I think Putin's argument should be rebuked. I just can't decide if the journalist are ignorant or pretending they're unaware of that little fact...
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I'm watching a brazilian cable news right now following the russian invasion… and it's all very standard and obvious talking points.
But when Putin mentions Ukraine's nazification as his justification (which is obviously a lot of rethoric), it's weird to me that the journalists talk as if there's not a single ounce of truth to that. They seem completely oblivious to the fact that Ukraine does have a relevant nazi civil movement, as well as a nazi national guard called Azov Battalion. This should be mentioned as part of the discussion, even if to be explained in context with the political situation on Ukraine.
I'm not calling Ukraine nazi, btw, and I think Putin's argument should be rebuked. I just can't decide if the journalist are ignorant or pretending they're unaware of that little fact...
It is violently stupidly overblown by lots of pro-Russian media in order to muddy the waters and make people think that maybe Ukraine has it coming.
You in fact are quite clearly already misinformed. Azov units have been absorbed into some national guard units, not the other way around. And they have zero political representation in Ukraine's parliament/congress.Constantly bringing up the specter of played up shit like this was also part of the largely bogus crap that led the US to sell the Iraq War to the world and domestic audience.
Or I dunno, imagine Turkey gearing up to invade Greece over some bullshit. Would you expect people to start talking about Golden Dawn?
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@Monkey:
It is violently stupidly overblown by lots of pro-Russian media in order to muddy the waters and make people think that maybe Ukraine has it coming.
You in fact are quite clearly already misinformed. Azov units have been absorbed into some national guard units, not the other way around. And they have zero political representation in Ukraine's parliament/congress.Constantly bringing up the specter of played up shit like this was also part of the largely bogus crap that led the US to sell the Iraq War to the world and domestic audience.
Or I dunno, imagine Turkey gearing up to invade Greece over some bullshit. Would you expect people to start talking about Golden Dawn?
I'm absolutely not siding with Putin, just in case you're wondering. Ukraine is not nazi.
As I said, Putin's rethoric should be debunked. It's just that the best way to do it is by having a real talk going through these points (including what you explained about the Azov Battalion), otherwise any misinformation campaign in the west (slightly based on real things) will just make the journalists look untrustworthy.
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Watching this war unfold like this is almost surreal. I feel bad for the civilians currently caught in the crossfire.
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Yeah I can’t believe this is happening. Woke up to find out my country’s officially gone fucking nuts and there’s no going back now. What’s more a big part of our population actually supports this and does not seem to understand what devastating consequences this will have on the country’s economy and general image. Fucking hell.
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Is Putin implying that he'd use nukes if any other nation tries to come to Ukraines aid?
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Sweden and Finland should really considered NATO-membership applications by now. Putin is completely unhinged and lost his touch of reality.
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I'm worried what'll happen to Eastern Europe and Sweden/Finland from now on. The rational part of me is arguing that Putin can't sustain any more conflicts, but Putin isn't a rational man.
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Two guys at my work have gone full well NATO forced him Russia feared for it's life why are you so emotional on me when i vented about how fucked up this all was
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Jesus Christ, how detached from reality are they.
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It's so bizarre watching this all unfold, especially in 2022. Don't know how a person like Putin has any sort of support in this, and China is prolly watching waiting to see if he gets away with it. Really hope it doesn't escalate to WW3, leave it at Cold War 2. Might be the doomscrolling talking.
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Might as well
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Fuck. Fuck. FUUUUCK. Really did not want to have me and especially my kids have to live under the specter of a possible fucking world war. FUCK.
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@Zar:
Jesus Christ, how detached from reality are they.
I mean one of them is Russian so he's on full motherland mode and dropping whataboutisms about Iraq. I had to drop the conversation because this whole Russia is the real victim bullshit just makes my blood boil
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And here I thought WW3 would involve North Korea.
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These were exactly my thoughts this morning. I feel like I hadn't realised how luckily peaceful life's had been until today.
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I mean one of them is Russian so he's on full motherland mode and dropping whataboutisms about Iraq. I had to drop the conversation because this whole Russia is the real victim bullshit just makes my blood boil
That explains it a bit. Not that it makes it better.
I'm tempted to ask my Grandma what it was like growing up during WW2 and the aftermath, but at the same time I feel that'd just open old wounds and stress her out… she's 94 years old, I don't want her life to have begun and ended with war.
Think I have to put my head in the sand and tune out the news for a while. It's ignorant and feels horrible when people are out there dying, but following this on a daily basis is gonna destroy me mentally.
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As a citizen of a country right next to Russia, this has been quite a shitty day. Who knows, maybe after Ukraine Putin decides that we are next, who the fuck knows. Not to mention that this situation has all the potential to escalate to something really big and final and scary. Cool times.
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I mean one of them is Russian so he's on full motherland mode and dropping whataboutisms about Iraq. I had to drop the conversation because this whole Russia is the real victim bullshit just makes my blood boil
Damn that’s insane, Russia felt threatened from losing a country in it’s old sphere of influence and went full 20th century imperialism, totally justifiable rs.
I guess the boat has sailed for Putin he either makes or it breaks him, I don’t see much future for him after this affair concludes, who knows when :ninja:.
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Does anyone know if ukraine's miltary is somewhat prepared for this? I've been reading comments where it goes from "russia will finish it within a few days" to "they've been preparing since 2014" so its really hard to get a gripe on this?
Regardless, really hope that ukraine pulls through and screw that balding shithead for harboring dreams of _the russian empire_ rising again
Damn that’s insane, Russia felt threatened from losing a country in it’s old sphere of influence and went full 20th century imperialism, totally justifiable rs.
Pretty telling when all the old soviet states all willingly ran to nato instead of being forcefully compelling to join, huh
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I mean prepared is a relative term. They have a general level of readiness, but there is only so much you can do against that kind of superiority. Best they can do is make it hurt, but they can't win in a straight up battle. I suppose the best you could hope for is if this turns into Afghanistan
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Does anyone know if ukraine's miltary is somewhat prepared for this? I've been reading comments where it goes from "russia will finish it within a few days" to "they've been preparing since 2014" so its really hard to get a gripe on this?
Ukraine has strong ground force and modern anti armour capabilities, it has also large standing army with large reserve pool, morale is also strong and there are ton of ukrainan volunteers from all levels of society.
However Ukraine's major weakness is its weak anti-air and outdated airforce, Russia excels in these areas and will likely gain early air superiority over ukrainan air space. Russia also has devastating artilerry and long range warfare advantage. Russia should be able to reach all of its military goals but it will suffer casualties.Russia's major mistake here is that Ukrainan people will not tolerate Russia and people are fiercely opposed of Russian occupation.
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First 40 Ukrainians confirmed killed in attacks
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Pretty telling when all the old soviet states all willingly ran to nato instead of being forcefully compelling to join, huh
I mean the Baltics states never wanted to be part of Soviet Union to begin so they were the first ones, but if I’m not mistaken - which I might - only Georgia and Ukraine wanted to join, and when it didn’t end well for them so far.
Central Asia keeps forgotten, though they might have let NATO to create temporary basis and grand protection during the Afghanistan War.
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Damn that’s insane, Russia felt threatened from losing a country in it’s old sphere of influence and went full 20th century imperialism, totally justifiable rs.
I guess the boat has sailed for Putin he either makes or it breaks him, I don’t see much future for him after this affair concludes, who knows when :ninja:.
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It's the people of Russia that are going to suffer the consequences of the blockade, so I can't see this whole thing ending any other way than the citizens turning en masse against the government and either kick Putin out or arrest him.
In a globalized world, this was the worst decision he could have possibly made.
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Putin doing this probably means he got guarantees from china to bail him out financially so sanctions wouldn't do anything.
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I'm no expert but the way Chinas economy is heading i don't think they'll want to bail out anyone
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I'm no expert but the way Chinas economy is heading i don't think they'll want to bail out anyone
Even if the Chinese growth rates don't recover (highly unlikely), Russia's economy is so small now that it would would barely make a dent on Chinese finances. Moreover, this would be handing China a golden political opportunity to unite "its half" of the world under an alternative payment system if Russia gets cut off from SWIFT. Ukraine is a distraction that benefits them, and the threat of a two front war in Ukraine and the Pacific is one of the main deterrents that keeps the US tied to the One China Policy.
And I think this is supported by Putin’s frequent visits to Beijing, the public declarations he and Xi have made, and his increasingly confident behavior.The US can still ask OPEC to lower oil prices, but that's only temporary.
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That would risk the west sanctioning further against China and further damaging their trade relationships though. With how (apparently) transparent the US intelligence has been regarding this incident, we see there's real competency there and if China does it, assuming covertly or whatsoever, I don't see how this is going to escape the US eyes. I don't see a benefit unless China is looking towards a world war but hey, obligatory I'm not an expert as well.
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That would risk the west sanctioning further against China and further damaging their trade relationships though. With how (apparently) transparent the US intelligence has been regarding this incident, we see there's real competency there and if China does it, assuming covertly or whatsoever, I don't see how this is going to escape the US eyes. I don't see a benefit unless China is looking towards a world war but hey, obligatory I'm not an expert as well.
The is nothing the west can do to influence China other than military action and that's not going to happen over Ukraine.
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Where exactly is coming the idea that China’s economy is in bad shape? It’s not pumping those absurd numbers of a decade and half ago but is still better than most.
And I need some expert on International Relations to clear a doubt: I seen on some news outlet here - don’t remember which - that economical sanctions could be only be applied through UN via Security Counsel. Is that right? So the western nations imposing economical sanctions willy nilly on other nations goes against the right protocol of International law?
I understand that they can impose sanctions such a rise tax on the import/export of products or forbid the same to certain products.
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Even if the Chinese growth rates don't recover (highly unlikely), Russia's economy is so small now that it would would barely make a dent on Chinese finances. Moreover, this would be handing China a golden political opportunity to unite "its half" of the world under an alternative payment system if Russia gets cut off from SWIFT. Ukraine is a distraction that benefits them, and the threat of a two front war in Ukraine and the Pacific is one of the main deterrents that keeps the US tied to the One China Policy.
And I think this is supported by Putin’s frequent visits to Beijing, the public declarations he and Xi have made, and his increasingly confident behavior.The US can still ask OPEC to lower oil prices, but that's only temporary.
China and russia have a…shall we say....tumultuous relationship going way back into the 60s. I have no doubt they'll still have some form of cooperation with the latter, but the fact that they've not endorsed this (instead going back to petty "west is escalating this") move honestly speaks a lot.
More specifically, russia's excuse of helping separatist movements within ukraine is in conflict with china's relationships with its own troubles (xinjiang, hongkong, tibet) and also puts forth the precedence of a certain small island entertaining independence officially. So yea, its not something that they really want to go in wholly heartedly either.
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China and russia have a…shall we say....tumultuous relationship going way back into the 60s. I have no doubt they'll still have some form of cooperation with the latter, but the fact that they've not endorsed this (instead going back to petty "west is escalating this") move honestly speaks a lot.
More specifically, russia's excuse of helping separatist movements within ukraine is in conflict with china's relationships with its own troubles (xinjiang, hongkong, tibet) and also puts forth the precedence of a certain small island entertaining independence officially. So yea, its not something that they really want to go in wholly heartedly either.
On the other hand, if it is successful for Mr. Putin, Xi might want to try it on a certain island, and on a certain disputed sea territorial islands.
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It's the people of Russia that are going to suffer the consequences of the blockade, so I can't see this whole thing ending any other way than the citizens turning en masse against the government and either kick Putin out or arrest him.
In a globalized world, this was the worst decision he could have possibly made.
Honestly with a 600B dollar reserve and economic deals with China ( and probably chinese financial back up) the invasion would need to reach Vietnam/Afghanistan levels of disaster to force a massive revolt against Putin. It’s easier the oligarchs try to oust him over loosing money due to war than foresee a massive popular movement. There are “Stop the war” graffiti popping up at Moscow.
What’s more likely is that Zelensky will become president in exile and Putin will put and autocrat puppet backed by russian army in Kiev.
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What’s more likely is that Zelensky will become president in exile and Putin will put and autocrat puppet backed by russian army in Kiev.
So… Back to square one. I recall this whole thing started after the prorussian governor was overthrown.
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On the other hand, if it is successful for Mr. Putin, Xi might want to try it on a certain island, and on a certain disputed sea territorial islands.
I'm not that well-versed in european geopolitics, but i can guarantee you the chances of a china-taiwan war is low, despite what reddit and the warhawks like to ramble on about. There's a ton of reasons why this isn't possible (plus you would see the chinese troop buildup months in advance as well as the US being committed to taiwan, unlike ukraine).
In regards to the south-china sea conflict sadly china has been pushing their boundaries with the southeast asia countries, although there's really no sign that things are escalating militarily speaking? It's not like both sides have actively bombed each other thankfully other than small skirmishes.
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Where exactly is coming the idea that China’s economy is in bad shape? It’s not pumping those absurd numbers of a decade and half ago but is still better than most.
https://www.ft.com/content/13476bf7-a519-427c-afd8-06e5579539d8
Not saying it's doooomed. But it has it's own problems without propping up a sanctioned neighbour to the north.
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Someone should seriously ask Putin if he's proud of dragging his country into the abyss.
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Someone should seriously ask Putin if he's proud of dragging his country into the abyss.
Dude spent like half an hour yesterday waxing about the lost glory of the Russian empire.
This is a 70 year old man getting to relive his glory days, he's probably giggling.
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That's the same level of energy from when the Comunist Party of my country praised the Taliban for taking over Afheganistan.
Wasn’t that the PCO clowns? That party is more like a family cult full of nutjobs with no representation that only suck election funds.
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Sweden and Finland should really considered NATO-membership applications by now. Putin is completely unhinged and lost his touch of reality.
Finland very much should. They used to be Russian owned, and Putin's speeches are dripping with revanchism (obsessing over former Russian territory).
The insane thing is Finland made out fine as neutral through the entire Cold War. Putin is essentially scarier than every Soviet leader post-Stalin.
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The bitterness of mediocre man in power always cause crisis.
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