Maybe Loki will join……. Okay yeah maybe the break is getting to me
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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Would you stop with the Hmms, please? Just say what point you're trying to get across.
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Looks like Wano isn't gonna end this year…
It's strange, because the idea of Onigashima falling in less than 5 minutes was mentioned, yet the story keeps throwing in more wild cards as if to extend the insanity of it all for all its worth like the fire yokai, as if there weren't enough reasons Onigashima will break down already. lol
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Oda is just trying to win over DBZ in the 5minutes meme
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Hey, people. How are you doing, I've been avoiding this thread since there's not much to talk about lately.
Anyway, I was checking out episode 1,000's special opening, it has the usual crewmate shots (thought Luffy gets all the attention) and, near the end, I got surprised by really (really!) quick shots of Kid/Law, Rayleigh/Dragon, Ace/Sabo and these two…
That's all for now, folks.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Hey, people. How are you doing, I've been avoiding this thread since there's not much to talk about lately.
Anyway, I was checking out episode 1,000's special opening, it has the usual crewmate shots (thought Luffy gets all the attention) and, near the end, I got surprised by really (really!) quick shots of Kid/Law, Rayleigh/Dragon, Ace/Sabo and these two…
https://i.imgur.com/RuKgO5G.png
That's all for now, folks.
I'm actually interested in your thoughts about that shot since you believe that Hancock will join the crew while at the same time, isn't on the "Yamato will join" train.
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I'm actually interested in your thoughts about that shot since you believe that Hancock will join the crew while at the same time, isn't on the "Yamato will join" train.
Well, first, while I think Yamato will not join, I don't outright discard the possibility entirely. I do feel Yamato appearing in this opening could be a sneaky way of showing a future crewmate since this is a unique milestone that won't happen again (I doubt we will reach 2,000 chapters/episodes, lol).
However, Yamato's presence there could also be explained as that he's a pretty important and hyped character from the current arc, just like Law and Kid. So there's that.
Hancock's presence there is pretty interesting to me. It could also be a tease for a future crewmate before it happens (if my prediction is right), but we can't use the "is important in current arc" explanation for her. The only other characters there are either in this arc or closely related to Luffy, so maybe it could be placing Hancock in a special "very important to Luffy" category, maybe?
Anyway, I just wanted to hype to possible candidates (even thought I'm probably the last guy on Earth that considers Hancock a candidate).
(It's also interesting that Yamato and Hancock are put together, since they have nothing in common and never met, unlike the other pairings.)
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Hey, people. How are you doing, I've been avoiding this thread since there's not much to talk about lately.
Anyway, I was checking out episode 1,000's special opening, it has the usual crewmate shots (thought Luffy gets all the attention) and, near the end, I got surprised by really (really!) quick shots of Kid/Law, Rayleigh/Dragon, Ace/Sabo and these two…
https://i.imgur.com/RuKgO5G.png
That's all for now, folks.
Of course a lot of people would be interested in having a blue-green haired ogre lady like Yamato in their anime opening, but that said, it's interesting Kinemon wasn't in the opening even though Kinemon has been traveling alongside Luffy since Punk Hazard like Law. There's also Vivi of course.
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As always I think promotional material is pretty meaningless(for or against). I don't remember the timing for Kanjuro(but I do think the opening spoiled Kanjuro's betrayal after it happened in the manga) but generally I don't think the anime ever spoiled something from the manga itself nor did any other promo material. If that's wrong that is probably a heavy outlier over how many years of anime? At most the anime spoils its own watchers and that's it.
But again I find searching for that stuff in things that Oda probably doesn't have a direct hand in pretty bad process wise. It's literally searching for bread crumbs in material that isn't from the creator itself and often doesn't even relate to the story. It's just literally look what character got a spot to be shown off nothing else. And it's even historically been proven to generally don't mean anything like with the Tama promo, the Law promo, etc. -
Daily reminder the anime has 0 input and/or knowledge about future developments, and any conclusions made without proper context or actual evidence is pointless.
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Daily reminder the anime has 0 input and/or knowledge about future developments, and any conclusions made without proper context or actual evidence is pointless.
Interesting you say that, because others say that the opening for Over the Top acknowledged Kyoshiro being Denjiro before the manga revealed it, as well as Stampede acknowledging "Laugh Tale" and Roger hoping his son would find One Piece months before the manga touched on that.
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It's strange, because the idea of Onigashima falling in less than 5 minutes was mentioned, yet the story keeps throwing in more wild cards as if to extend the insanity of it all for all its worth like the fire yokai, as if there weren't enough reasons Onigashima will break down already. lol
I had a feeling the arc wouldn't end this year by chapter 1000. There's just so much that Oda has to cover and so much we, as the audience, had to discover with all these battles. Oda can throw curveball after curveball and new developments just kinda happen all the time. Also, his schedules and breaks. Recent events are just confirmation.
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It stroke me during the strawhat assemble from episode 1000, everyone got a flashback of when they met luffy and what theyve been through together, and those kind of moments for Yamato are really pale in comparison, and at this moment I really doubt we will see more interactions between Yamato and Luffy or other strawhats, there was a chance for him to do so but Oda nope:d out of that one.
Another more exciting matter, I hope this arc will conclude in 15-20 chapter or so, and if some one joins, that person cough Tama cough will appear in One Piece Film Red as a strawhat.
It could be risky to work the strawhat into that movie, would be easy to leak etc but Id be so disappointed if someone joins, and then that person wont get to appear in OP film red.
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It stroke me during the strawhat assemble from episode 1000, everyone got a flashback of when they met luffy and what theyve been through together, and those kind of moments for Yamato are really pale in comparison, and at this moment I really doubt we will see more interactions between Yamato and Luffy or other strawhats, there was a chance for him to meet Robin and Brook, but Oda nope:d out of that one.
Another more exciting matter, I hope this arc will conclude in 15-20 chapter or so, and if some one joins, that person cough Tama cough will appear in One Piece Film Red as a strawhat.
It could be risky to work the strawhat into that movie, would be easy to leak etc but Id be so disappointed if someone joins, and then that person wont get to appear in OP film red.
I mean if that's your criteria that at this point if you don't have experiences as emotionally resonant with Luffy because for some reason Oda can't do anything else anymore then nobody except Law still qualifies.
But then I don't really get why you expect things not to happen for a character that has consistently got overexposure this arc and the arc is still running. Between the core hurdle of Yamato's ambitions Kaido still running around, them knowing Luffys true dream, their current mission to stop the island from exploding, etc it seems really weird to expect stuff like character interactions/more characterization/etc not to happen. There is plenty that isn't resolved the character clearly isn't going to disappear next chapter forever.Outside of that from what I know from storytelling patterns the way Oda is showcasing Yamato missing other Strawhats so intentionally could be a leadup to him revealing himself to the larger crew in a heroic feat of some sort(right now stopping the island from exploding but maybe something else).
But who really knows at this point. -
Daily reminder the anime has 0 input and/or knowledge about future developments, and any conclusions made without proper context or actual evidence is pointless.
I usually disregard merchandise entirely since it's focused on selling stuff and it's unlikely Oda shares info with the companies involved, but I do feel Oda shares some amount of generic information from time to time with the anime guys (like "this character will be important in a way I can't say right now, put some extra focus on him"). I also feel the anime has access to chapter notes from Oda to allow them to flesh out certain scenes.
Anyway, I just found extremely unusual to see Hancock there. I mean, she's not in the current arc and, despite her popularity, her importance right now is pretty low. Yamato being there is kinda understandable even if you don't believe in nakama conspiracies, but Hancock? Her presence there called my attention immediately. Yeah, doesn't mean she's a real crew candidate, it may mean other things, but there's a reason she was chosen to be there, and speculating on that reason is interesting.
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It stroke me during the strawhat assemble from episode 1000, everyone got a flashback of when they met luffy and what theyve been through together, and those kind of moments for Yamato are really pale in comparison, and at this moment I really doubt we will see more interactions between Yamato and Luffy or other strawhats, there was a chance for him to do so but Oda nope:d out of that one.
I find it interesting you make that comparison since Luffy has known Zoro and the others for two years, while Luffy has only known Yamato for about half a day.
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I find it interesting you make that comparison since Luffy has known Zoro and the others for two years, while Luffy has only known Yamato for about half a day.
Pretty sure this was said before but time doesn't matter in this story. Luffy knew Brook for like a couple of days before they split but the connection was strong regardless + in story time vs reader perceived time is pretty different for this series anyway. So this argument really isn't good.
I think the good version of this argument boils down to the arc isn't over yet. It's not really about how much time has passed but judge the Luffy/Brook connection mid arc it's not that great either. Laboon is about as good of a connection as being bonded through Ace to be honest. To judge right now mid arc is honestly foolish in my eyes when it's clear there is more to come for this character. Yamato isn't done like for example the dukes that seem to have finished their main contribution for now. They might band together in a dressrosa push the birdcage adjacent scenario but their main role in this raid is very likely over.
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It stroke me during the strawhat assemble from episode 1000, everyone got a flashback of when they met luffy and what theyve been through together, and those kind of moments for Yamato are really pale in comparison, and at this moment I really doubt we will see more interactions between Yamato and Luffy or other strawhats, there was a chance for him to do so but Oda nope:d out of that one.
Another more exciting matter, I hope this arc will conclude in 15-20 chapter or so, and if some one joins, that person cough Tama cough will appear in One Piece Film Red as a strawhat.
It could be risky to work the strawhat into that movie, would be easy to leak etc but Id be so disappointed if someone joins, and then that person wont get to appear in OP film red.
I find it weird you're comparing a recently introduced character with like 40 chapters to her name to a group of characters, the most recently introduced has 600 chapters to his name. And then making a claim that we'll never see that level of bonding and camaraderie in the ten years or so remaining of the series? But you think a child who has only interacted with four of the nine straw hats will? Okay.
I mean that's your criterion, Zoro never interacted with Chopper before he joined, Robin only met the crew once and Luffy three times, Jimbei and Luffy did a whole arc together without any other Straw Hats so I don't really believe that those conditions have weight to them. With that said, the fact that Oda is going out of his way from having Yamato interact with the other Straw Hats when at this point it would be more natural if she did interact with them is very suspicious to the point of it looks like he's setting up a big payoff. You can accuse me of being far fetched but there was literally a panel this week of Brook doing a flourish while Yamato was running away in the background.
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Wow, I guess Yamato isn't meant to meet with the other Straw Hats after all.
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Only true strawhats are those that met Gaimon. So Luffy and Nami. Zoro is out, but Usopp counts in the anime.
No one else has had the full experience, how could they possibly measure up to the time the others have had with Luffy if they never met Gaimon?
Extend this to met Laboon, first Warlord beaten, there for the timeslip, met Ace, went to Cakeland, defeated an Emperor, whatever your completely arbitrary cutoff is, none of them have had the full experience except Luffy.
And given that Luffy invited Brook to join literally seconds within meeting him, and that Brook was then with the crew a week tops before the two year separation, "total time spent with the crew" really, REALLY doesn't matter.
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Only true strawhats are those that met Gaimon. So Luffy and Nami. Zoro is out, but Usopp counts in the anime.
No one else has had the full experience, how could they possibly measure up to the time the others have had with Luffy if they never met Gaimon?
Extend this to met Laboon, first Warlord beaten, there for the timeslip, met Ace, went to Cakeland, whatever your completely arbitrary cutoff is, none of them have had the full experience except Luffy.
And given that Luffy invited Brook to join literally seconds within meeting him, and that Brook was then with the crew a week tops before the two year separation, "total time spent with the crew" really, REALLY doesn't matter.
And I guess what just happened in Chapter 1032 may or may not be a possible hint that Yamato isn't meant to meet the other Straw Hats.
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The fact that Yamato appears in the remaked opening is enough to show that she's a big player there. Not even Kinemon is there, and that guy has been with us for years.
Oh and there is Hancock for some reason…
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Wow, I guess Yamato isn't meant to meet with the other Straw Hats after all.
https://i.ibb.co/qB1rs6D/Screen-Shot-2021-11-21-at-3-53-06-PM.png
Pretty obvious the point was for them to just barely miss each other, but what, if anything, that is meant to imply is open to interpretation.
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I still think it would be hilarious if Yamato, Carrot and Tama get passed up for Caribou
Not gonna happen but it would make my day
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The fact that Yamato appears in the remaked opening is enough to show that she's a big player there. Not even Kinemon is there, and that guy has been with us for years.
Oh and there is Hancock for some reason…
True, on top of Kinemon appearing in more chapters than Vivi, the opening didn’t even bother to have Kinemon upfront despite all the moments he has shared with Luffy previously. I suppose some could take Luffy trying to recruit Kinemon's legs as a possible hint of him joining the crew, but going by Raizo's comment, as a Scabbard, that Wano would help Momo become a proper shogun might be at odds with that.
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Oh and there is Hancock for some reason…
I always believed she was meant to be a big player in the future. My primary guess is future crewmate, but it could be something else. Whatever happens, I always felt her actions in Amazon Lily, Impel Down and Marineford were just a prelude to a future arc about her. Even if my nakama prediction is wrong, I don't think her role is meant to be small. It was just not time for her to shine yet, but it will soon be.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I always believed she was meant to be a big player in the future. My primary guess is future crewmate, but it could be something else. Whatever happens, I always felt her actions in Amazon Lily, Impel Down and Marineford were just a prelude to a future arc about her. Even if my nakama prediction is wrong, I don't think her role is meant to be small. It was just not time for her to shine yet, but it will soon be.
Coincidentally, the opening happened to show the three known female users of Conqueror's Haki too: Big Mom, Yamato, and Hancock
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Wow, I guess Yamato isn't meant to meet with the other Straw Hats after all.
https://i.ibb.co/qB1rs6D/Screen-Shot-2021-11-21-at-3-53-06-PM.png
Not yet at least.
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I won't lie, if this actually happened, I wouldn't even be upset.
Same here, also would he be part of the weakling trio? Or would that make it a weakling quartet
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IMO, Caribou joining has zero chance of happening.
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I still think it would be hilarious if Yamato, Carrot and Tama get passed up for Caribou
Not gonna happen but it would make my day
I'd rather have my man Caesar joins the crew… he's hilarious (and a Logia user at that), can also upgrades Chopper and Franky too...
As for Hancock, she's only there as a representative of popular female character.
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What makes you say that?
The arc isn't over.
The strawhats will win in the end.
There will be a party that will consist of all of the allies that helped them win but hey I guess nobody is also saying Drake hasn't got to meet the other strawhats so it isn't meant to be.
Yamato will be at that party. The strawhats will be at the party.
Plus the raid has a ways to go which can result in any scenario where Yamato meets more strawhats than just Franky and Luffy.
You saying Yamato isn't meant to meet the strawhats is what doesn't make sense.
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It's still possible that Yamato will eventually meet some of the other Straw Hats at some point before the battle ends. The fact he, Robin and Brook blatantly miss each other could result in some payoff later. The issue is, there's very little time left for Yamato to endear himself to the crew in such a way that his joining in the afterparty will feel natural and be more readily accepted by them. Of course Luffy can just say sure and make everyone go along with an unknown quantity like Robin and Brook themselves were, but I don't see why that's better than just letting some of them fight alongside Yamato first. Oda went to the trouble of getting them to pass each other, so he's obviously playing with that possibility, but for what end, hard to say.
The reason I still side with Carrot so heavily is because she already has a connection to the crew, with a very deep shared trauma in Pedro's death. She's their friend, she's saved them and shown off her abilities for them. Luffy wouldn't hesitate to let her on board if she asked. The issue is that she needs a reason to push herself forward like Pedro said, and she needs the opportunity to do it in this battle. Potentially, she also needs to give Luffy a chance to ask her rather than the reverse. Revenge against Perospero clearly didn't do anything for Carrot, so she needs to find what her true goal actually is, rise to meet it and earn her spot. I don't know if she will, but I do believe she still can.
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Yeah I don't think time to endear himself before or the need for anything to feel natural matters at all.
All of that can happen later. It's not a necessity beforehand.
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It matters in that the crew should have the chance to accept them. They've been strong-armed before like I said, but why set up the same scenario in such a ham-fisted way?
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It matters in that the crew should have the chance to accept them.
Again, that can happen at any time.
They've been strong-armed before like I said, but why set up the same scenario in such a ham-fisted way?
Its happened less than the other way, doesn't really matter if it happens again now.
Not sure how you can call it ham fisted before it has even happened.
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I don't know what else to tell you. To me, it doesn't feel organic to have them narrowly miss each other just to make his joining at the party a shock for them. I assume it's for a reason, but I'm not leaning towards that particular reason.
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It's still possible that Yamato will eventually meet some of the other Straw Hats at some point before the battle ends. The fact he, Robin and Brook blatantly miss each other could result in some payoff later. The issue is, there's very little time left for Yamato to endear himself to the crew in such a way that his joining in the afterparty will feel natural and be more readily accepted by them. Of course Luffy can just say sure and make everyone go along with an unknown quantity like Robin and Brook themselves were, but I don't see why that's better than just letting some of them fight alongside Yamato first. Oda went to the trouble of getting them to pass each other, so he's obviously playing with that possibility, but for what end, hard to say.
The reason I still side with Carrot so heavily is because she already has a connection to the crew, with a very deep shared trauma in Pedro's death. She's their friend, she's saved them and shown off her abilities for them. Luffy wouldn't hesitate to let her on board if she asked. The issue is that she needs a reason to push herself forward like Pedro said, and she needs the opportunity to do it in this battle. Potentially, she also needs to give Luffy a chance to ask her rather than the reverse. Revenge against Perospero clearly didn't do anything for Carrot, so she needs to find what her true goal actually is, rise to meet it and earn her spot. I don't know if she will, but I do believe she still can.
To add to this, I know people always say Luffy doesn't have a bond with Carrot, butt I don't agree with that. In chapter 878 for example, when he's taking Katakuri into the Mirror World, he calls out each of their names: "Nami! Jimbei! Brook! Chopper! Carrot!" Luffy is very much aware of and concerned about Carrot, just like the rest of the crew.
I also think about - what would Pedro tell Carrot to do if he was still alive? If he could tell Carrot one thing, what would it be? "Join Luffy!"
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The issue is, there's very little time left for Yamato to endear himself to the crew in such a way that his joining in the afterparty will feel natural and be more readily accepted by them. Of course Luffy can just say sure and make everyone go along with an unknown quantity like Robin and Brook themselves were, but I don't see why that's better than just letting some of them fight alongside Yamato first.
So when Robin joins at the end of the Alabasta Arc, there's no issue, but in the event Yamato joins at the end of the Wano Country Arc, there's an issue?
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I mean, the context is extremely different. Robin joined as a twist, and as a character that still had to be developed. Yamato's having his arc now, it would be weird to have something afterwards be focused in his relationship with the crew, when we are so close to endgame and we already learned almost everything about the character.
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I don't know what else to tell you. To me, it doesn't feel organic to have them narrowly miss each other just to make his joining at the party a shock for them. I assume it's for a reason, but I'm not leaning towards that particular reason.
I understand that's how you feel I just don't think it matters if it feels organic to you or in general.
If Oda wants to do a shock the crew Kaido's son who you may think was out enemy is joining bit. It'll play just like the okay Robin can join moment or the ask talking skeleton with an afro to join moment.
@Lemony:I mean, the context is extremely different. Robin joined as a twist, and as a character that still had to be developed. Yamato's having his arc_now,_ it would be weird to have something afterwards be focused in his relationship with the crew, when we are so close to endgame and we already learned almost everything about the character.
I'm not sure when us the reader learning about Yamato in this arc has to do with when the crew gets to know Yamato whether that be before or after he joins.
I mean it's not like Zoro was around for Chopper's backstory exposition but I'm sure as a reader he got filled in on the way to Alabasta. Same with the crew learning more about Franky.
Hell its the same for any member that joined after a previous. I'm sure they got an idea of Nami's story despite not being there.
This idea that the crew has to bond or have a bunch of interactions before joining was never criteria for joining. It neither hurts or helps their chances. To me running with that idea like its a rule just leads you down the path of assuming a bunch of temporary companions were going to join. Yet I don't recall serious support for Conis or Camie.
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The reason I still side with Carrot so heavily is because she already has a connection to the crew, with a very deep shared trauma in Pedro's death. She's their friend, she's saved them and shown off her abilities for them. Luffy wouldn't hesitate to let her on board if she asked. The issue is that she needs a reason to push herself forward like Pedro said, and she needs the opportunity to do it in this battle. Potentially, she also needs to give Luffy a chance to ask her rather than the reverse. Revenge against Perospero clearly didn't do anything for Carrot, so she needs to find what her true goal actually is, rise to meet it and earn her spot. I don't know if she will, but I do believe she still can.
They all have to share a deep trauma with the same person for there to be a connection? What about Bell-mere, and Olvia, and Tom, and all the rest? Also, is Yamato protecting and saving Momo and Shinobu for Luffy not worth taking notice of? Is Luffy noticing her being able to hold Kaidou back from hurting anyone else for Luffy not valid either? Can anything having to do with Joy Boy for example not have any part in Yamato's post-Wano goal, as well as relevance with Luffy's story and the story overall?
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So when Robin joins at the end of the Alabasta Arc, there's no issue, but in the event Yamato joins at the end of the Wano Country Arc, there's an issue?
I think the main point of contention is that when Robin joined, we knew nothing about her until the crew and us as the audience got more familiar with her. By the time she initially left the crew, the narrative shifted to her past and revealed more about her than we knew beforehand. Same can actually be applied to Nami. Doesn't hurt that the crew knew of Robin's existence before she joined as the enemy, which is why they were averse to her joining. Come Enies Lobby a few arcs later traveling and bonding with the crew, we know more about Robin, the reasons she left, and her history with the World Government. It was part of a deeper narrative thread of shrouding her character in mystery.
I don't think we're done learning about Yamato and her past, especially with her abusive, estranged relationship with her father Kaido, but you lose a lot nuance in the discussion when you make that comparison.
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Hey, people. How are you doing, I've been avoiding this thread since there's not much to talk about lately.
Anyway, I was checking out episode 1,000's special opening, it has the usual crewmate shots (thought Luffy gets all the attention) and, near the end, I got surprised by really (really!) quick shots of Kid/Law, Rayleigh/Dragon, Ace/Sabo and these two…
[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/RuKgO5G.png[/qimg]
That's all for now, folks.
That was an odd decision since those two dont have any connection at all whatsoever.
But I do recall that I said repeatedly that "hammok" eventually turned into Hancock, perhaps Toei's telling us, the 'Yamao' wont stick for much longer:ninja:
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That was an odd decision
Tell me about it. Seeing Yamato there wasn't so weird. Even without the nakama possibility, he's a pretty big character in the current arc, so it's understandable under multiple interpretations. Hancock being there is really odd, I was expecting it at all, and, while she's popular, that explanation alone does not feel so natural. There are a lot of popular characters that didn't make the cut.
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Luffy doesn't know Nami or Jinbei's backstories despite the rest of them being told about it, and he certainly didn't know Brook's when he first asked. He doesn't care.
At this point, I assume the timing is waiting for two things.
1. Yamato to feel confident to introduce himself as Yamato, and not as "Oden", just so we're not running through that gag with the entire crew.
2. Yamato to be officially asked to join, so that he's not introducing himself as a new crewmate before being officially asked.Also to not have Yamato fanboying at a bad moment. Right now we really don't need an "Oh my gosh, you're skeleton Brook! Your wanted poster i so colorful! I'm your new crewmate! I mean, Luffy hasn't officially asked yet but he will! I'm also Oden but you can call me Yamato! But there's no time to discuss any of that, there's a giant fire monster we need to go stop!.. wait, are you Robin? Wow!"
We don't have time for that right now. This is also why the Franky meeting glossed over it. "You're an ally? Okay. Do what you need to do." There's no time to go through the whole routine 9 different times.
