People who think Oda is going to write a story where a character is going to give up his dream of exploring the world to be stuck as a retainer working in one building fulfilling bureaucratic responsibilities don't know One Piece. And before people mention Vivi, Vivi got three arcs and a lot of good memories and she wanted to stay behind and protect her people. Yamato has been stuck in Wano for 20 years and wants to pay tribute to his idol by living his life. Momo's job is going to be the responsible shogun, Yamato's role is to inherit Oden's will and legacy.
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I think Yamato or whoever joins next is the last member, but a lot of people seem to think we’ll have more members than that
I think we have Luffy and then 10 crew members (11 total if you count Luffy)
But it seems a lot of people think we will get more than that, I disagree
I hope I wrote that in a way that’s easy to understand
Yeah, I got it.
And it makes sense and adheres to what Luffy said in chapter 1 if you believe he only meant 10 ppl would be joining for a total of 11.
Some think "about 10" or "10 or more" is closer to the translation and meaning.
Then the whole Strawhat 13 theory is why some think there will be 12 ppl joining not 10. There's the whole pattern of 4 ppl in East Blue, 4 ppl in the Paradise half of the Grandline and an expected 4 ppl to join from the New World.
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Yeah, I got it.
And it makes sense and adheres to what Luffy said in chapter 1 if you believe he only meant 10 ppl would be joining for a total of 11.
Some think "about 10" or "10 or more" is closer to the translation and meaning.
Then the whole Strawhat 13 theory is why some think there will be 12 ppl joining not 10. There's the whole pattern of 4 ppl in East Blue, 4 ppl in the Paradise half of the Grandline and an expected 4 ppl to join from the New World.
I personally would love more Straw Hats, I love all of them and I love there interactions with each other, Oda has a way of making each Straw Hat special and great, so I would personally welcome more but I think Oda is done with the last one
Luffy said he wanted 10 members and the Black Beard Pirates have 10 Titans so I think 10 members is where he’ll stop
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People who think Oda is going to write a story where a character is going to give up his dream of exploring the world to be stuck as a retainer working in one building fulfilling bureaucratic responsibilities don't know One Piece. And before people mention Vivi, Vivi got three arcs and a lot of good memories and she wanted to stay behind and protect her people. Yamato has been stuck in Wano for 20 years and wants to pay tribute to his idol by living his life. Momo's job is going to be the responsible shogun, Yamato's role is to inherit Oden's will and legacy.
Yeah, ppl who go that route really can't rationalize how bad of a take it is when it comes to Oda. They usually come up with something like Oda will find a way for it to seem like the character isn't ditching their dream even though they can't come up with anything good themselves.
Probably would just be easier if they said Yamato would change his mind and leave Wano solo. Not much better of an option but it is better than he'll become a retainer or decide to stay in Wano as their official guardian.
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Even if Yamato doesn’t join he’s definitely going out to sea
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I personally would love more Straw Hats, I love all of them and I love there interactions with each other, Oda has a way of making each Straw Hat special and great, so I would personally welcome more but I think Oda is done with the last one
Luffy said he wanted 10 members and the Black Beard Pirates have 10 Titans so I think 10 members is where he’ll stop
So far the recruitment pattern in the New World is still going, especially if Yamato joins
We have the man with animal instinct (Zoro), the animal with the feelings of man (Chopper), the half animal (Jinbe)
Yamato would be the third lady that lost her family in some way or another
The third should be a leader leaving his crew/band
Than the fourth…many say it's the "pervert"...I wouldn't agree on the reasoning, but let's get along those linesAbout Blackbeard, he has the Ten Titanic Captains already...but we don't know Kuzan's official position yet, so we don't know if there's an unknown member (high likely imho) and Gekko Moria had received an offer to join the crew
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Yamato assisting Momonosuke in stopping Onigashima isn't actually that surprising a development, rather it was the expected path forward after the last chapter (1026). It would have been cool to see Yamato fight alongside Luffy against Kaido but Luffy taking Kaido on alone atop Onigashima has become a necessary step on his journey toward becoming Pirate King.
With the wave of courage now washing over Momonosuke, he should be able to fly according to his own direction. Yamato will likely assist Momonosuke in this task - by guiding Momonosuke in using abilities Momonosuke may not know he possesses in his Dragon form. The imagery of having a Dragon and an Oni save Wano Kuni will surely be a transformative one after such forms derived only terror and despair for the people of Wano. With the Fire Festival going on, the Flower Capital has been opened up to all of Wano. As such, those able and willing would be attending the festival and witness to the events about to transpire. The Wano people may not have noticed it yet but with Onigashima advancing ever closer to the Flower Capital, it is only a matter of time before the people notice. Panic and fear will set in but it will be within that darkness that they will witness the efforts of a Dragon and an Oni saving them. The symbolism attached to those forms will in turn transform from misery into something more…hopeful.
The Luffy VS Kaido battle still has a ways to go before concluding and I think Yamato will have enough time to assist Momonosuke and make his way back to witness Luffy defeating Kaido. Luffy will be aware what Yamato is doing and that is all that is needed for Yamato to secure the answer he seeks from Luffy. When it comes to Yamato, there isn't actually any need for him to have any interactions with the other Straw Hat Pirates during this climax. Yamato is the one character in One Piece where a lack of Straw Hat Pirate interaction outside Luffy works in his favour. Through off-hand comments, Kaido's speech and announcements from the Beast Pirates, those unaware of Yamato have become aware of him. The big reveal and unveiling of the mystery will take place after Kaido's defeat. After the current Beast Pirate announcement, Jinbe may have deduced what is going on.
While Kaido and Luffy are on Onigashima, it appears the battle will involve just the two of them. Kaido will come to reevaluate his view on Luffy. During that time Yamato may end up assisting Momonosuke - Momo works best when he has others guiding and supporting him. Eventually, I suspect the battle between Luffy and Kaido will relocate to the Flower Capital, specifically where Oden's hour long execution took place. Kaido has been haunted by Oden since the raid began and having his fight conclude in the place where he chose to execute Oden, who mentioned to him that his soul will live on after his death, seems fitting to conclude Kaido's reign over Wano. Yamato will be present during this moment as well as the other "shadows". Big Mom will also be there to witness the fall of Kaido.
Oden's execution site may also be where Momonosuke cancels his Dragon transformation and returns to his human form, which would look like a certain figure that would bring the people of Wano to tears (those with a heart at least).
It should be noted the heightened focus Yamato and Momonosuke are getting is very telling to the direction in which it appears to be heading. More focus is given to Yamato spending time with Momonosuke now because in the future, Yamato won’t be around to assist Momonosuke. The possibilities of what Momonosuke’s Dragon form can do is being taught by Yamato now rather than later. And the capabilities aren’t simple ones, they are tremendously powerful abilities that give the user the ability of “flight” and moving gigantic pieces of land through the sky. Why would such focus be so prominent now? Once Momonosuke learns these abilities, what would Yamato achieve by staying in Wano Kuni after the Beast Pirates are defeated? To protect Momonosuke and Wano? That rationale falls flat when one considers that both Momonosuke and Yamato realise that the best way to protect Wano is to achieve that which Oden was unable to fulfill – assist the one carrying on Joy Boy’s will.
Yamato having a separate task of his own in the climax also conveys Oda’s intent to elevate Yamato’s character alongside Luffy rather than have him be overshadowed by Luffy in the fight against Kaido. The act of stopping Onigashima from landing/falling on the Flower Capital has been intensified to the level of stopping Kaido. Defeating Kaido isn’t enough to save Wano Kuni now – the majority of the Wano people are present in the Flower Capital currently. The actions Yamato and Momonosuke now take will hold equal importance as Luffy’s fight against Kaido in regards to Wano Kuni’s fate. Such actions will undoubtedly serve to highlight Momonosuke but the primary character Oda has set-up to be spotlighted is Yamato. Such a focus has already been evidenced by Yamato’s belief in Luffy and the need to do what they can alone to prevent death and destruction in the Flower Capital and Onigashima. The reason Oda will be able to spend substantial time focusing on Momonosuke is because Yamato will be there (note the focus Momonosuke got when away from Yamato and Luffy). Oda has set-up Yamato to be the one driving the mission and guiding Momonosuke.
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Momonosuke will eventually gather the courage and conviction to save Wano and it will be in that moment that Yamato’s role as his mentor and guardian will end. Yamato will pursue his dreams after Wano Kuni is saved and the borders opened. Momonosuke in turn will support Yamato’s intentions and even push Yamato toward them if conflict clouds Yamato’s heart about his decision. Such is the journey Momonosuke has been tempered on. When Yamato leaves, the relation between Yamato and Momonosuke won’t exist as a mentor/guardian type but rather one of friends. The current focus on Yamato spending time with Momonosuke is so that Yamato’s role as mentor and guardian is fleshed out in order for the path toward friendship to be comprehensively established. The time is taken now by Oda because he intends to separate Yamato and Momonosuke after the Wano Kuni arc ends. Wano will be the place Yamato can call home after his journey and adventures with the Straw Hat Pirates. Such a path becomes apparent chapter after chapter.Even though this anime episode was a filler one (episode 102), this scene aptly describes the imagery created between Luffy leaving assisting Momonosuke stopping Onigashima to Yamato and Yamato leaving Kaido to Luffy. Yamato could not defeat Kaido, but his belief in Luffy enabled him to leave the task to Luffy. And Luffy’s awareness of Yamato’s capabilities allowed him to leave Momonosuke and the stopping of Onigashima in his charge. Luffy has passed on such a mission to Yamato so that he can focus all his attention on stopping Kaido. Such an imagery extended further once Yamato became aware of Kaido’s weakening hold on Onigashima. Yamato understood that the issue at hand can only be solved by Momonosuke and him. Oda may not be focusing on Yamato interacting with other Straw Hat Pirates but he is certainly giving Yamato the Straw Hat treatment by intentionally colouring him in such a manner. And such an intent is very marked.
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So far the recruitment pattern in the New World is still going, especially if Yamato joins
We have the man with animal instinct (Zoro), the animal with the feelings of man (Chopper), the half animal (Jinbe)
Yamato would be the third lady that lost her family in some way or another
The third should be a leader leaving his crew/band
Than the fourth…many say it's the "pervert"...I wouldn't agree on the reasoning, but let's get along those linesAbout Blackbeard, he has the Ten Titanic Captains already...but we don't know Kuzan's official position yet, so we don't know if there's an unknown member (high likely imho) and Gekko Moria had received an offer to join the crew
It’s definitely possible but I just don’t think Oda is going that way, it’s one of those rare instances where I’d be happy to be wrong
Also I usually don’t buy into the patterns people come up with, although the 2.9 devil fruit theory did have me hooked for a while I’ll admit
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Yamato will join and will be the last member. This is the most obvious thing in all of the series. It's really that simple and anything else is reaching.
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Yamato will join and will be the last member. This is the most obvious thing in all of the series. It's really that simple and anything else is reaching.
Exactly what I think
Also I really want to see Luffy’s reaction to Yamato’s hybrid and animal form
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^Such a reaction is being saved for a time where it is able to be appreciated more effectively.
Yamato while guiding Momonosuke is being highlighted alongside Luffy and Zoro within this chapter and you don't get that for every non-Straw Hat Pirate character.
The manner in how Oda is scripting Yamato appears to seek to uplift the focus Yamato is receiving. Why? Why focus so heavily on a character that won't be significant going forward? The focus Yamato is receiving goes beyond the usual arc central characters that serve to mainly be tied to the specific arc they are relevant in. Yamato's set-up, presentation, performance, connection, desires, role, relevance, potential extends way beyond the One Piece ordinary. His inclusion within One Piece is very purposeful by Oda.
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Nice moment between Yamato and Luffy. Reminds me of Enies Lobby.
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Hello there, Carrot will be the next strawhat. Anyone thinking that Yamato is the next strawhat is reaching :)
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Anyway, bypassing the obvious bait that would be best served stopping at just recognition rather than progressing through entertainment, I want to bring the discussion back to Moria and a potential purpose to his knowledge of how to enter Wano Kuni. Moria is one of the few people who have gained such knowledge. His possible alignment with the Blackbeard Pirates presents much opportunity to develop their threat. If Teach never gets Haoshoku Haki, I think it would be cool if he ended up stealing the Hebi Hebi no Mi, Model: Yamata no Orochi from Orochi and adding it to his power. Can you imagine if Luffy had to defeat Teach eight times in order to claim ultimate victory? That would be quite cool. Just as Luffy learns through his defeats, Teach may end up doing the same as their conflict progresses through the arc/arcs.
Also there was this that I posted before:
I was reading the chapter thread and came across a post from Monquito that was very intriguing and could serve to develop both Yamato and the Blackbeard Pirates and the connection between the two:
Friendly reminder that this is absolutely going to play a role in the future, all we need is just one Gecko to appear.
Monquito's right, that scene could be incredibly relevant going forward.
We know from Yonko we have seen that in addition to their core crew, they also have numerous fodder to pad the battles/wars with. The Big Mom Pirates have the Homies. The Beast Pirates have the Headliners and Pleasures.
The Whitebeard Pirates had his divisions but as they were not facing off against the Straw Hat Pirates, the members did not have to include notable fodder such as is the case with the Big Mom Pirates Homies and the Beast Pirates Headliners/Pleasures.
The Red Hair Pirates are an exception. It appears they only operate with their core crew. But given that Shanks has been developed into a character that will have a different story/role than the rest of the other Yonko, it makes sense.
The remaining Yonko crew is the Blackbeard Pirates who at this point only have the Pinkbeard Pirates as their subordinates. The Big Mom Pirates and the Beast Pirates have had years and decades to increase the size of their respective organisations. So how can the Blackbeard Pirates, who have only been active for 2-3 years bolster their ranks in a relatively quick period of time? Teach certainly doesn't possess the same level of charm as Luffy (and Sanji), so the relationship building route is not an option.
The answer exists right there in the panel Monquito has highlighted. And wouldn't you know, a person capable of animating such an army has arrived on Teach's doorstep only 2 weeks ago within the One Piece world.
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If Teach ain't obtaining the Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix from Wano Kuni, or another powerful Zoan Devil Fruit, or Nico Robin, or Oden's journal, or the Road Poneglyph, or kairoseki weapons, or Orochi's Marine battleship, he may just end up obtaining an army of Samurai zombies for the future battles/wars he will have against the Marines/World Government and the Straw Hat Pirates + allies.Now how does this relate to Yamato? With the Samurai's corpses raised from the dead and directed toward attacking the saviors of Wano Kuni, the perversion at play would be nothing short of a desecration of the Samurai's honour. The same way Wano Kuni were horrified their hero Ryuma had his corpse dug up 23 years ago, the nation would be equally as horrified when they learn the Samurai who died fighting for their liberation had their corpses dug up as well.
It wouldn't be uncharacteristic for the people of Wano Kuni to want that nightmare to be remedied, especially once the borders of Wano Kuni are opened. With the Akazaya Nine's story arc done once the Wano borders are open, I don't see any of them being tasked with the duty of liberating the Samurai corpses. Rather, with Yamato and Momonosuke forming a close bond, I can see Momonosuke requesting Yamato (with Ame no Habakiri in hand) to stop the Blackbeard Pirates from continuing to dishonour the brave Samurai who sacrificed their lives during the years. If Yamato does join the Straw Hat Pirates, this plot would serve to tie her closely to the Blackbeard Pirates and have genuine motivation to battle them.
Moria may or may not play a part in the Wano Kuni Arc but it would be fascinating if the possibility is explored.
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Hello there, Carrot will be the next strawhat. Anyone thinking that Yamato is the next strawhat is reaching :)
I personally vouch for this guy, his Twitter threads are very detailed and fascinating stuff: https://twitter.com/CarrotForNakama
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Hello there, Carrot will be the next strawhat. Anyone thinking that Yamato is the next strawhat is reaching :)
A little late to be a Carrot troll but yeah good luck with that.
I personally vouch for this guy, his Twitter threads are very detailed and fascinating stuff: https://twitter.com/CarrotForNakama
How AGOGian of him.
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Yeah uuh, I guess I'm just old school and I like giving the Manga more value than Twitter.
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I personally vouch for this guy, his Twitter threads are very detailed and fascinating stuff: https://twitter.com/CarrotForNakama
I don't mind people having opinions, especially well reasoned, structured and set-out ones but was there really a need to disapprove of others conjecture?
It's their first post on ArlongPark forums and it is dyed in disrespect. It may not have been intentional and an attempt at trolling but a certain level of regard should be held in the environment one is in.
I have spent a lot of time and passion theorizing about Yamato and put forward arguments toward Yamato's potential that I believe hold some merit. Were such speculations merely "reaching"? Maybe but at this point every theory could be argued as reaching.
The post presented wasn't to champion a particular character as a nakama but more to devalue others opinions.
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Yeah it seemed trolly at best and meant to trigger others at worst
Also Carrot fans seem to get upset when people say there opinion is reaching but apparently have zero problems with there side doing it? :wassat:
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Hello there, Carrot will be the next strawhat. Anyone thinking that Yamato is the next strawhat is reaching :)
Both will join,of course
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That twitter kind of reminds me of twitter accounts that stan 3rd party candidates in the US.
Obnoxious and very clueless.
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It is possible to support one character over another without targeting the people who feel differently. Speak to why you feel your choice is the right choice without questioning the intelligence or mindset of others and your account will likely last more than a few days.
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This 100 percent. I think Yamato is joining, but the only other possibility is that Yamato will start a crew.
It would be kind of cool if Kaido and Big Mom got replaced as captains of there crews by Yamato and Katakuri, and eventually become allies of the Straw Hats, maybe help in the final battle with what ever force the Black Beard Pirates summon, who knows
then again I’m not sure what kind of power could face off against three Yonko crews combined
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I was considering the possibility of Yamato forming his own crew more than staying at first (it was even in my signature before I decided to change it), but I feel there has been many more hints of a deeper love of Yamato for Wano (and bonding with Momo) than at first, so I consider that more likely than him forming his own crew right now.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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You have to ignore basically the entirety of One Piece to come to the conclusion that Yamato is staying when this is done.
No one in the series who has a dream, that they state repeatedly over and over and over, that they've had for years, just gives it up and changes their mind. They may need help to escape their current situation to start said dream, but they don't just abandon it the moment its finally in their grasp.
Unless they're a villain, obviously. But they get beat up and if they didn't personally murder a parent figure, many of them get new, less evil dreams.
Yamato doesn't HAVE to join the crew, but he DOES have to leave Wano.
(After 1016 there's no zero doubt for me that he's joining the crew, but I'll concede that direct declaration somehow not being convincing enough for some.)
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It would be kind of cool if Kaido and Big Mom got replaced as captains of there crews by Yamato and Katakuri, and eventually become allies of the Straw Hats, maybe help in the final battle with what ever force the Black Beard Pirates summon, who knows
then again I’m not sure what kind of power could face off against three Yonko crews combined
If the World Government's SSG invention is able to displace the Warlords then they're at a place to take on the 4 Emperors. The Shichibukai combined with them was more of a buffer or balancer because of their unpredictability, but an even stronger force combined with Cipher Pol and the Marines would probably risk it, especially if Big Mom and Kaido are both out of the action. I lean more towards the idea that Big Mom will change than that her crew will need a new captain, but I like the overall idea. Not sure about Yamato taking over the Beast Pirates because they've been pretty freaking vile to the people of Wano. It could be a sort of restitution, I suppose, but it's hard for me to see. Much easier to see Yamato joining the Straw Hats.
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For those that promote the possibility of Yamato staying in Wano after the arc, what reasoning sustains that premise?
Is it Yamato's bond with Momonosuke and his respect/love for Wano? What do you believe Yamato would seek to accomplish by staying in Wano?
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Obviously protect Wano from something, eventually, maybe.
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I mean, it's pretty obvious that the new poster was replying to this post:
Yamato will join and will be the last member. This is the most obvious thing in all of the series. It's really that simple and anything else is reaching.
Is it a little distatestful as a first post? I suppose, but their name is carrotfornakama and the post it's replying to hasn't been referenced at all as similarly distasteful.
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For those that promote the possibility of Yamato staying in Wano after the arc, what reasoning sustains that premise?
Is it Yamato's bond with Momonosuke and his respect/love for Wano? What do you believe Yamato would seek to accomplish by staying in Wano?
The reason is they haven't read 1016. Every time I glimpse in here there isn't really much to say beyond that. Like there isn't much fun in arguing when the manga itself states the motivation and the source material doesn't give you anything in the way of why it should be subverted especially when the author isn't known for said type of subversion.
On the both will join train of thought I only would have to say that I don't currently believe in that because of how they've been positioned in this raid. If that does happen though Oda has the monstrous task ahead of him in making 3 new people gel and play off each other int he remaining time he wants to allocate for the series which to everyone seems too short right now. The alternative is we believe Oda has become a hack and will just drag some characters along as main crewmates that barely have anything to them which for now I refuse to believe. The one thing Oda has never disappointed me on in even my most disliked arcs is spending the necessary time to make me attached to any important main character.
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Reason my post is not distasteful is because it's what's gonna happen.
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I was considering the possibility of Yamato forming his own crew more than staying at first (it was even in my signature before I decided to change it), but I feel there has been many more hints of a deeper love of Yamato for Wano (and bonding with Momo) than at first, so I consider that more likely than him forming his own crew right now.
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@K.:
Obviously protect Wano from something, eventually, maybe.
Momo, the Scabbards, Shinobu, Hyogoro, and others can be there to help out. Not sure why Yamato would want to keep being there 24/7 when they're there.
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@Syphin:It should be noted the heightened focus Yamato and Momonosuke are getting is very telling to the direction in which it appears to be heading. More focus is given to Yamato spending time with Momonosuke now because in the future, Yamato won’t be around to assist Momonosuke. The possibilities of what Momonosuke’s Dragon form can do is being taught by Yamato now rather than later. And the capabilities aren’t simple ones, they are tremendously powerful abilities that give the user the ability of “flight” and moving gigantic pieces of land through the sky. Why would such focus be so prominent now? Once Momonosuke learns these abilities, what would Yamato achieve by staying in Wano Kuni after the Beast Pirates are defeated? To protect Momonosuke and Wano? That rationale falls flat when one considers that both Momonosuke and Yamato realise that the best way to protect Wano is to achieve that which Oden was unable to fulfill – assist the one carrying on Joy Boy’s will.
I really liked this post, as it expands on the feeling of the relationship between Yamato and Momonosuke in a satisfying way. It's easy to say "Momo thinks of Kinemon/Kiku, but Yamato is there" and jump to thinking Yamato as a retainer, but Yamato is acting more like a Luffy substitute. It also jumped out to me that Yamato's demeanor towards Momonosuke (using -kun, bonking him with his kanabo, etc.) is very different from the Scabbards towards Momonosuke or Oden. If Oda was building towards Yamato as a scabbard, having Yamato be more respectful would have been a natural direction to go.
Regarding the recent guardian discussion, I think the big unknown is what it will actually mean for Wano to be open. Yamato is clearly willing to fight for Wano, but he won't be the difference maker for defending against a WG or BB invasion once the Strawhats leave. However, he said he wants to unleash the Samurai on the world and would fight for Wano in the coming war. We also know that the WG wants Wano to remain closed, so maybe an open Wano with a united force of samurai won't be so easy to invade/control, and Yamato can be true to his love for Wano and "protect" it by representing it on the sea.
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The problem I have with the reasoning of Wano needing to be protected by having Yamato remain is that it is a narrow and flat reason when read within the context of the Oda's writing. It completely ignores the character arc Yamato has been given by Oda - yes, Yamato's repeated declarations are meaningful and representative of Oda's intent. How do those words and dreams of Yamato align with protecting Wano? Protecting Wano entails more than staying within Wano. Yamato AND Momonosuke, the future shogun of Wano Kuni, realise that.
Oda has seemingly set it up so with the manner in which he structured the overall story. There was a reason Oda had Momonosuke read Oden's journal.
The best way to protect Wano is to obviously keep the borders closed but the story requires Wano to be opened - why? What purpose does Wano serve? Merely to exist and wait for their enemies to attack? Obviously not. Wano will become allies to the Straw Hat Pirates because they represent the best solution to the problem of Wano being in danger. By Joy Boy's purpose being fulfilled, the threat of the World Government will come to an end.
Oda has built Yamato's story up to exist beyond the Wano Kuni arc story. Yamato has also been aligned with assisting the person carrying on Joy Boy's will. Unlike the rest of the Straw Hat Pirates who are not aware that their efforts within the Grand Line will result in substantial changes around the world, Yamato does have an idea of how important Luffy and the Straw Hat Pirates are to the future of the world. Oda introduced Yamato now because after Wano Kuni, the Straw Hat Pirates will evolve from rookies attempting to challenge the Big Fish within the New World to a force that dictates the direction of the age. For that characters likes Jinbe and Yamato are necessary within the Straw Hat Pirates. These characters possess knowledge that can assist the Straw Hat Pirates become a Pirate Crew like no other. The knowledge Jinbe has of Sun God Nika will come into play later and potentially Yamato may provide some context to it.
It's okay to believe in a certain possibility but it does need to be reconciled against the larger story of One Piece. Do readers believe that Oda will not have Yamato visit Ace's grave after the set-up he has given such an emotionally-loaded moment? Oda went out of his way to feature both Ace and Yamato alongside Luffy, Sanji and Zoro in the milestone volume 100. Oda has not forgot about the relationship Yamato and Ace formed. And then there is the story of the Oni. Once Kaido is dealt with there will be only one other character (currently confirmed) left to advance the story of the Oni. Considering how important Kaido was, the story of the Oni will be relevant going forward and will be explored in more depth. Staying in Wano does not achieve either.
What would Oda seek to achieve by keeping Yamato within Wano Kuni?
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For those that promote the possibility of Yamato staying in Wano after the arc, what reasoning sustains that premise?
Is it Yamato's bond with Momonosuke and his respect/love for Wano? What do you believe Yamato would seek to accomplish by staying in Wano?
Prior to the DF reveal, I didn't really have anything concrete. It was just a hunch. After the DF reveal, it was mostly that. DFs are used to define characters throughout the series. Yamato has a history of admiring and being protected by the people of Wano. He has also said that he will protect Wano on more than one occasion.
Yes. He said he wants to sail and go on adventures and he 100% will. That doesn't mean that it can only happen as a SH immediately after this arc. We know the WG/CP-0 already had an interest in Momo's DF, so it's possible that they will attempt to capture him or take over if Kaido is no longer a threat. If that happens, then it sure would be helpful to have Yamato around instead of the "Guardian Deity of Wano Country" being no where near Wano when it's under threat.
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If that happens, then it sure would be helpful to have Yamato around instead of the "Guardian Deity of Wano Country" being no where near Wano when it's under threat.
I just want to point out that, as far as I know, there's no implication of Okami No Makami is the only guardian deity Devil Fruit. I personally think that there are others, including at least the Yamata No Orochi fruit, since it was presented as having "the power to make [Orochi] shogun".
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It also jumped out to me that Yamato's demeanor towards Momonosuke (using -kun, bonking him with his kanabo, etc.) is very different from the Scabbards towards Momonosuke or Oden. If Oda was building towards Yamato as a scabbard, having Yamato be more respectful would have been a natural direction to go.
I think the retainer theory has very little going for it but Yamato not being respectful enough towards Momonosuke isn't one of its weaknesses. The Scabbards revere Momonosuke, sure, but they never shied away from calling Oden names or physically assaulting him. They were his retainers first and foremost, so being respectful at all times isn't a necessary criterion.
Regarding the guardian deity stuff again, Yamato's Devil Fruit ability isn't the only guardian deity around. There is the Mountain God, Luffy's Gear 4 reminded Hyogoro of another guardian deity most probably different from the Okuchi-no-Makami, Yasuie even called the Scabbards Wano's future guardian deities. Seems to me that there are plenty around and that it's not even something based on looks or ability alone, anyone supporting the Shogun can become one. Putting that in contrast with Yamato's ambitions and desires which have been bottled up for two decades and were reiterated multiple times over the course of over 40 chapters, those outweigh pure symbolism that's easily replaceable by far.
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Momo, the Scabbards, Shinobu, Hyogoro, and others can be there to help out. Not sure why Yamato would want to keep being there 24/7 when they're there.
I agree.
The idea of Yamato having to stay behind to protect Wano from insert danger doesn't click for me. It seems out of context. Like grabbing some elements instead of the whole character. I find it akin to thinking: "I shouldn't go out today in case I get hit by a car". "I shouldn't leave Wano before it can protect itself, but what if, it's not enough? What if they still need my help even after rebuilding", there is no end to that train of thought.
In terms of what will happen to Yamato after Wano, what if Luffy and Yamato become siblings, like Ace and Sabo once did? They could both visit Ace's grave. "The sake cup I was waiting to drink with you", something like that, right?
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Regarding the guardian deity stuff again, Yamato's Devil Fruit ability isn't the only guardian deity around.
I think some of the confusion here comes from TCB translating Kaido's line as the Okuchi No Makami being "the guardian deity of Wano", so people assume that it is singularly special in this sense.
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For all you claiming Yamato has to stay because he looks like a big dog deity. You all know that's the same logic as the villain right? The villain who intentionally imported the fruit into the country to feed it to some sap to make a proxy Shogun to make it easier to control the country, right? And Yamato only ate it by accident because he was literally starving.
Hey Yams, I know you want to leave this island that has been a prison to you for most of your life but you ate the dog fruit because your dick dad was starving you so now you have to stay and be a symbol to our people, it's your responsibility because you were hungry.
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Has Yamato at any point been shown to love Wano more than Franky loves Water 7 or Nami loves Cocoyashi? Is his bond with Momo more impenetrable than Sanji’s with Zeff or Chopper’s with Kureha?
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The point has always been that Yamato will gain the freedom to choose what he wants to do. With Wano's borders open, people will finally be allowed to enter or leave freely. Clearly Yamato may choose to go with Luffy like he's been saying. But what has been shown more often is the growing bond between Yamato and Momo, the children of mortal enemies but united in saving and opening Wano. It would be equally Yamato's choice, not his burden, to stay with Momo instead, with the included freedom to sail anytime or to reside on Wano's mainland, rather than shackled in Onigashima.
This brings to mind a storyline from To Your Eternity, an ongoing manga that just finished its first anime season:
! There's a girl named Tonari who's lived on an island of convicts since she was very young, a place where murder and crime is rampant and celebrated. She came with her father who killed his wife, and was not allowed to leave even after he himself was killed. She tricks the immortal main character, Fushi, into being enslaved and convinces him to enter a tournament to decide the island's ruler, who has the authority to let people leave. In the end, she becomes ruler and orders that all children be allowed to leave. But Fushi gets caught and wrapped up in a destructive monster fight, so she comes back to help and ultimately decides, freely, to stay on the island to rebuild it and make it a better place to live.
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I agree.
The idea of Yamato having to stay behind to protect Wano from insert danger doesn't click for me. It seems out of context. Like grabbing some elements instead of the whole character. I find it akin to thinking: "I shouldn't go out today in case I get hit by a car". "I shouldn't leave Wano before it can protect itself, but what if, it's not enough? What if they still need my help even after rebuilding", there is no end to that train of thought.
In terms of what will happen to Yamato after Wano, what if Luffy and Yamato become siblings, like Ace and Sabo once did? They could both visit Ace's grave. "The sake cup I was waiting to drink with you", something like that, right?
I imagine that Yamato could be like a big sister in a way that’s more distinct from Nami and Robin, like going along with his antics more.
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The point has always been that Yamato will gain the freedom to choose what he wants to do. With Wano's borders open, people will finally be allowed to enter or leave freely. Clearly Yamato may choose to go with Luffy like he's been saying.
And what exactly do you expect him to wait for? Momo is already an adult. You expect Yamato to wait for Momo to age mentally by another 20 years? Because if there's anything Yamato learned from her idol, it's how to be patient lol
But what has been shown more often is the growing bond between Yamato and Momo
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And what exactly do you expect him to wait for? Momo is already an adult. You expect Yamato to wait for Momo to age mentally by another 20 years? Because if there's anything Yamato learned from her idol, it's how to be patient lol
Yamato knows first hand Momo is still a kid, whether he's now the spitting image of Oden or not. It's as much a factor as anything else, but again, it's still Yamato's choice to make, not an obligation. I'm just saying there is a choice here.
The crew members beat each other up over stupid stuff all the time. Nami's wacked nearly everyone on the ship by now, doesn't mean they all don't mean the world to her.
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I’m not certain Yamato will join the crew, but I’m completely sold on the idea that he’ll leave Wano to go out on adventures either with or without the Straw Hats
It seems really obvious to me to the point that I really can’t wrap my head around people seeing it the other way
Still waiting on Yamato to get his flashback mentor and dream before I go all in on him joining
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I’m not certain Yamato will join the crew, but I’m completely sold on the idea that he’ll leave Wano to go out on adventures either with or without the Straw Hats
It seems really obvious to me to the point that I really can’t wrap my head around people seeing it the other way
Still waiting on Yamato to get his flashback mentor and dream before I go all in on him joining
Well couldn't Oden serve as that mentor, if only a distant one? Then again, Brook didn't have a mentor figure over him either. Even after leaving the Oden persona, I suspect any dream would have similarities to Oden's, like with the dawn and Joy Boy.
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The point has always been that Yamato will gain the freedom to choose what he wants to do. With Wano's borders open, people will finally be allowed to enter or leave freely. Clearly Yamato may choose to go with Luffy like he's been saying. But what has been shown more often is the growing bond between Yamato and Momo, the children of mortal enemies but united in saving and opening Wano. It would be equally Yamato's choice, not his burden, to stay with Momo instead, with the included freedom to sail anytime or to reside on Wano's mainland, rather than shackled in Onigashima.
This brings to mind a storyline from To Your Eternity, an ongoing manga that just finished its first anime season:
! There's a girl named Tonari who's lived on an island of convicts since she was very young, a place where murder and crime is rampant and celebrated. She came with her father who killed his wife, and was not allowed to leave even after he himself was killed. She tricks the immortal main character, Fushi, into being enslaved and convinces him to enter a tournament to decide the island's ruler, who has the authority to let people leave. In the end, she becomes ruler and orders that all children be allowed to leave. But Fushi gets caught and wrapped up in a destructive monster fight, so she comes back to help and ultimately decides, freely, to stay on the island to rebuild it and make it a better place to live.
Really good anime. Just finished watching s1 myself.
Problem with that example is it does not jive with Oda's writing. You say Yamato will have the choice but he's already made it abundantly clear what that choice will be. It isn't even like vague or in general like his flashback when he was talking to the samurai in the cave. Now its pretty detailed and direct.
When Oda makes a character that isn't pursuing some outward dream they have other character arcs or involved in other subplots (Paulie, Wiper, Rebecca, Carrot, etc.) Compared to characters that do have dreams. The only ones who have ever been restricted were children.
