Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Jinbe might be big, but he ain't slow.
Yeah, his skills with fish man karate like at Fishman Island and Whole Cake make up for him being a big guy.
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Jinbe might be big, but he ain't slow.
Still wouldn't peg him to be as fast since that's more Sanji's thing. Unless the fight is underwater I guess.
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Sanji's niche is obviously aerial combat, no one else can fly after all. At least not reliably.
When the Straw Hats made their grand entrance he even commented on the flying opponents immedietely.
Not sure what Yamato's unique selling point would be when it concerns combat. Giant slaying?
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Yamato probably fights with his tail holding the club and moves around like Marvel's Lizard
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Sanji's niche is obviously aerial combat, no one else can fly after all. At least not reliably.
When the Straw Hats made their grand entrance he even commented on the flying opponents immedietely.
Not sure what Yamato's unique selling point would be when it concerns combat. Giant slaying?
Club user, able to shoot energy beams and have lightning fast reflexes.
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Club user, able to shoot energy beams and have lightning fast reflexes.
Mhm, that's not a real niche though? Like what is the overall theme?
Zoro is the swordmaster, he fights other blade users. Focus on pure force, less on defense. In RPG terms comparable to a Dark Knight / Samurai.
Nami is the AOE glasscanon, dual class thief & black mage.
Franky is the brawler and siege breaker. Little mobility, crazy burst.
Brook represents the bard class, who already fought two enemy artists in three of his fights
Chopper is the Alchemist, enhancing himself and others (drug abuse, transformations, healing)
Robin is the summoner
Jinbe could be considered a monk, hand to hand combat, tanky, fast but not strictly a speedster. Is curiously fighting the enemy martial arts dude now instead of the usual Sanji (he took his jerrrb?)….
...while Sanji seems to be moving to a different slot, going from Monk / Black Belt to a tools user. A Machinist?
I mean these themes do dictate the fights to some degree, each Straw Hat battle comes with a different flavor (even if one disagrees with my impression above).
What is the Yamato-fight flavor?
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Gracefully clubbing the shit out of things works for me.
Always felt they lacked a proper brute
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Not sure what Yamato's unique selling point would be when it concerns combat. Giant slaying?
Yamato definitely seems to be a heavy hitter and seems pretty good at punching through heavy armored or just physically "tough" opponents.
Not really anything unique in and of itself, since that sort of thing's basically the Monster Trio's wheelhouse, but I don't think it steps on any toes too much and I'm sure there's more to his fighting style that will be revealed going forward - his presumed Zoan-DF, for one.
I'm currently envisioning him as a kind of FFX Auron-style anti-armor specialist, but we'll have to see how he develops.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
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Yamato definitely seems to be a heavy hitter and seems pretty good at punching through heavy armored or just physically "tough" opponents.
Not really anything unique in and of itself, since that sort of thing's basically the Monster Trio's wheelhouse, but I don't think it steps on any toes too much and I'm sure there's more to his fighting style that will be revealed going forward - his presumed Zoan-DF, for one.
I'm currently envisioning him as a kind of FFX Auron-style anti-armor specialist, but we'll have to see how he develops.
Yamato seems to specialize in really hard hitting and wide range attacks that are arguably even more blunt than Zoro and Jinbe’s attacks.
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I know explosives don't count for shit from a meta-narrative perspective but Momo was surprised to see Yamato tank so many hits just fine
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I know explosives don't count for shit from a meta-narrative perspective but Momo was surprised to see Yamato tank so many hits just fine
Well Yamato definitely seems more durable than Devil Dias, who got knocked down after his collar exploded. She didn’t lose any arms like Perospero did either.
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Yeah, Yamato wasn't just taking those Bazooka shots. He bathed in them.
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Yeah, Yamato wasn't just taking those Bazooka shots. He bathed in them.
Yep, I’m sure that Yamato’s durability has to account for something.
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Yamato is the club first ask questions later type.
As apprentice that's all she'll need until she continuously develops and learns from the crew. I'm thinking that's what will be clever if this is the avenue Oda decides to go, because despite being a bruiser, Yamato's fighting style is very straight forward and predictable so far, outside of fighting a young Ace, one shotting clumsy henchmen and sneaking Ulti , in all reality we haven't seen her do anything I wouldn't expect East Blue Luffy or Zoro to be cable of, buso haki not with standing of course.
If you put her against any of the more battle tested fighters in the series , I have no doubt she'll be quickly exposed for lack of experience in pound for pound 1 vs 1. which is why I'm interested to see how her devil fruit augments her abilities.
For me Oda went all in on Yamato once the Dawn Of the World became apart of her character's plot and Carrot was reduced to side vendetta against Pero.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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in all reality we haven't seen her do anything I wouldn't expect East Blue Luffy or Zoro to be cable of, buso haki not with standing of course.
Somehow I don’t think Luffy and Zoro could have done this back then.
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I thought maybe she used haki on that , but I wont Cap. Maybe Pre time skip Luffy and Zoro would've been a better statement.
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Still wouldn't peg him to be as fast since that's more Sanji's thing. Unless the fight is underwater I guess.
Pretimeskip, he intercepted Luffy in G2 in Impel Down and easily outmaneuvered shadow stacked Moria at Marineford while on land.
I wouldn't say Jinbe is as fast as Sanji (on land) either, but he's definitely fast.
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People still care about the Vivre Cards like they matter in any meta-analysis perspective? I thought in one of the earliest releases they were already making dumb mistakes like saying was Corazon was 200 cms taller than Oda stated he was.Not even Naruto resorted to time travel
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People still care about the Vivre Cards like they matter in any meta-analysis perspective?Ignoring real clues in manga pages and seeking "meta" clues elsewhere lol.
About Yamato: she's a brute force, tanky, frontline fighter. Compared to glass cannons that are Nami and Robin, its kinda refreshing, no?
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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reads page 363
People still care about the Vivre Cards like they matter in any meta-analysis perspective? I thought in one of the earliest releases they were already making dumb mistakes like saying was Corazon was 200 cms taller than Oda stated he was.Ignoring real clues in manga pages and seeking "meta" clues elsewhere lol.
Shrugs
I certainly wouldn't give info in the Vivre Cards anywhere near the weight of stuff in the manga for theorizing purposes, but I think they're interesting to consider.
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Ignoring real clues in manga pages and seeking "meta" clues elsewhere lol.
About Yamato: she's a brute force, tanky, frontline fighter. Compared to glass cannons that are Nami and Robin, its kinda refreshing, no?
Yeah, kinda like the Amazons or Raki, except more aggressive and durable.
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reads page 363
People still care about the Vivre Cards like they matter in any meta-analysis perspective? I thought in one of the earliest releases they were already making dumb mistakes like saying was Corazon was 200 cms taller than Oda stated he was.Have you ever collected stuff??
Say you have one of those Soccer World Championships albums in which you collect the playes stickers, but France is yet to confirm say four players.
Would you entirely ruin the collectable purpose of the album by not leaving enough room for when those guys are confirmed?
The Vivre Card's main purpose is to collect cards, and have them accommodated according to your allegiances, if one of the Strawhats comes out with random number 0678 and also a different backround color than the others, you've only successfuly ruined the whole thing!
You'll watch your main characters swiping from 1 to 10, but then you got to jump until 0678 to see the remaining main character.. which would also awkwardly have a different backround color as well..I know how it is, I've got the Marvel Flair trading cards album, and among enthusiast this better be sorted out, or is not worth a penny.
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They really should have just given the strawhats their own numbering completely separate from everything else, and that would have avoided the issue entirely.
Or given them both a "strawhat" card and "order of appearance" card… super easy methods of future proofing, I'm surprised they didn't go that route since it would have given them two copies of the most popular characters by default..
I mean they already made their sales in 2018 and they weren't truly concerned about 2021 at the time, and maybe Oda wasn't sure about a final crew member at the time... but still an easy thing to avoid.
Especially considering that, even with a bajillion Wano characters so it'll be a set or two before Yamato shows up, they still might need to make that call before the story officially gets there. I guess they made Jinbe official like a year before he showed back up in the manga but still.
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How many people here actually believe there will be more than one new member?
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How many people here actually believe there will be more than one new member?
Well why can't someone believe that?
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Well why can't someone believe that?
I wasn’t suggesting that they shouldn’t or that it was bad, I was simply wondering wether more people believed that we’ll only have one new member or if more people believed that we’ll get a few more
I was just wondering how big the divide is
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Ten main characters is already a ridiculous amount for a main cast, the author has to separate them constantly and even in those arcs where they're all together, strawhats dissappear for large amounts of chapters.
The most practical thing to do is keeping it at 10 and let the series keep flowing with the terrible problems already has with that big cast.
If it wasn't because we do actually have reasons to believe it'll end at 11, but making it 12, 13, 14.. that's barely managable.
That's bassically like saying; yes I don't mind seeing Sanji every 10 chapters or so, like its already happening..
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I wasn’t suggesting that they shouldn’t or that it was bad, I was simply wondering wether more people believed that we’ll only have one new member or if more people believed that we’ll get a few more
I was just wondering how big the divide is
I mean Luffy never stops making friends and recruiting people, so I never got the feeling there was ever a stopping point, so maybe there could be a few more for all I know.
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How many people here actually believe there will be more than one new member?
Well I imagine we all have a different range in how much stock we put in belief.
So I'd say want their to be 13 strawhats in total. I think it's probable and hope that's the case. After Yamato joins maybe that should be the next poll for this topic.
I mainly think when it comes to this topic what are the chances of Oda ever saying himself the crew is complete and there will be no new nakama in some statement or having Luffy say it in story. I don't think they're high unless he does it a certain way in a SBS so with that uncertainty there will always be some person advocating for some new or old character to join. Doubt this thread will just shut down after Yamato joins.
I'm sticking with after the next crewmate there's a good chance of one more new (or old) character joining and then Vivi returning but it'd be just as great if Oda gave us two more brand new characters. He's not lacking for unique designs when you look at his older sketches. The crew can get more strawhat-ish looking than they already are.
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Ten main characters is already a ridiculous amount for a main cast, the author has to separate them constantly and even in those arcs where they're all together, strawhats dissappear for large amounts of chapters.
The most practical thing to do is keeping it at 10 and let the series keep flowing with the terrible problems already has with that big cast.
If it wasn't because we do actually have reasons to believe it'll end at 11, but making it 12, 13, 14.. that's barely managable.
That's bassically like saying; yes I don't mind seeing Sanji every 10 chapters or so, like its already happening..
This just isn't a big concern of mine.
I like the majority of the strawhats. Barely play favorites so I'm not minding less spotlight of some members for the progression of the story.
Think Oda can manage just fine with 13 characters..
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With SHs as it is now, some get all the spotlight and some get shafted so hard ppl are annoyed. Last chapter for example. That's the risk of too many main characters.
I loathe to say this, but take Fairy Tail for example. They have a big guild but the main spotlight always fall to only 4 characters.
So I don't think we will get a new character as crewmate anymore after Yamato. I still believe that Vivi could return, but she's a developed character already.
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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Yamcha was created to be a main character, but the ever growing main cast of Dragon Ball ended up pushing him way too deep into a 'supporting character' pit.
Nowadays, Toei Animation still treats him as such, lmao.
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I've been leaning toward a final crew total of 13 for some time, and given that I think one of those is likely to be Vivi, who is already established as a character and essentially just needs to be brought up to speed, that basically leaves us with Yamato (who's not yet official, but has made his intentions pretty damn clear) and one other to go.
I definitely get the "Too many characters" critique, but honestly, we already have 10 Strawhats (11, if we include Yamato) and that number isn't going to go down. While the difference between say 4/5 central characters and 10 is a lot, I don't think the difference between having 10/11 and having 13 is all that noteworthy.
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With SHs as it is now, some get all the spotlight and some get shafted so hard ppl are annoyed. Last chapter for example. That's the risk of too many main characters.
I loathe to say this, but take Fairy Tail for example. They have a big guild but the main spotlight always fall to only 4 characters.
So I don't think we will get a new character as crewmate anymore after Yamato. I still believe that Vivi could return, but she's a developed character already.
If you’re saying that, then it makes me wonder how My Hero Academia and school mangas that have like 20 main characters are faring. Oda seems keen and fine introducing a lot of characters, so I suppose he can handle it in the case he wants to introduce more.
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Yamcha was created to be a main character, but the ever growing main cast of Dragon Ball ended up pushing him way too deep into a 'supporting character' pit.
Nowadays, Toei Animation still treats him as such, lmao.
Dragon Ball, based on my understanding and seeing talks from others, basically treated Yamcha and the others as disposables because they weren’t Goku. One Piece doesn’t do that with Zoro and the others though, even if Luffy is a main character.
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Dragon Ball, based on my understand and seeing talks from others, basically treated Yamcha and the others as disposables because they weren’t Goku. One Piece doesn’t do that with Zoro and the others though, even if Luffy is a main character.
If One Piece was Dragonball, then Nami would be stronger than Zoro, Usopp would be stronger than Nami, and so on. Everyone of them would start as antagonists or rivals and be beaten by Luffy before becoming his friends. Then as new characters join the crew, the earlier ones become less and less important, with them mostly being beaten by the new villains to showcase how much stronger Luffy became. At this point, the crew would also be composed by Crocodile, Enel, Rob Lucci and other former enemies, but they'd all become innefective over time, while the earlier crewmates are just there in the background to hope Luffy would come to save them. Oh, and Luffy would become stronger by Deus Ex Machina, like he transforms because he gets super angry or by drinking sacred water. Not to mention all the times he would die, only to be resurrected later.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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If One Piece was Dragonball, then Nami would be stronger than Zoro, Usopp would be stronger than Nami, and so on. Everyone of them would start as antagonists or rivals and be beaten by Luffy before becoming his friends. Then as new characters join the crew, the earlier ones become less and less important, with them mostly being beaten by the new villains to showcase how much stronger Luffy became. At this point, the crew would also be composed by Crocodile, Enel, Rob Lucci and other former enemies, but they'd all become innefective over time, while the earlier crewmates are just there in the background to hope Luffy would come to save them. Oh, and Luffy would become stronger by Deus Ex Machina, like he transforms because he gets super angry or by drinking sacred water. Not to mention all the times he would die, only to be resurrected later.
The Straw Hats are all strong in their own ways at the end of the day, each of them doing things others can’t do.
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If you’re saying that, then it makes me wonder how My Hero Academia and school mangas that have like 20 main characters are faring. Oda seems keen and fine introducing a lot of characters, so I suppose he can handle it in the case he wants to introduce more.
They have 3 or 4 focus characters, another 3 or 4 prominent secondaries, then ignore the rest entirely. Half of MHA's cast might as well not exist, they're purely there to fill out the room. Fairy Tale was a huge guild but you only ever saw 4 of them. Naruto ignored everyone except him and Sasuke.
Negima is the only series I can think of that had a giant roster that was doing good about giving everyone time… until it ended super abruptly.
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or by drinking sacred water.
Sacred water was a placebo. The power up came from the training effort it took to obtain it.
Not to mention all the times he would die, only to be resurrected later.
Resurrections were built into Dragonball from the start with the core premise of wish granting.
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I think he had an actual sacred water too
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Sacred water was a placebo. The power up came from the training effort it took to obtain it.
It has been a long while since I read it, but wasn't there a second time when there was actual sacred water to drink?
If I remember correctly, the first time Goku climbed the tower to get the sacred water to fight Tao Pao Pao. The second was because of Picollo Daimao, I think?
Anyway, these sudden power bursts were pretty common. Eat a senzu beam? Get stronger. Oh, an even stronger opponent appeared? Well, luckily we have this room with enhanced gravity and dilated time in which we can train a whole year in a day. Oh, the enemy still can't be beaten? Don't worry, when he kills your friend, your super-transformation will happen.
Resurrections were built into Dragonball from the start with the core premise of wish granting.
Yeah, but they were limited by rules that were then bypassed as the story went on. Can't ask the same wish twice? Well, there's another dragonball set in another planet. Oh, you need to resurrect everyone but the namekian dragonballs can't do that? Don't worry, the new namekian patriarch modified them now. Our dragon only grants out wish? Oh, our new Kami-sama modified it to grant two!
I'm not dissing DB, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot back then. But the storytelling sure got stale as it went on, and, the flaws got more obvious I as started enjoying more complex stories.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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It has been a long while since I read it, but wasn't there a second time when there was actual sacred water to drink?
If I remember correctly, the first time Goku climbed the tower to get the sacred water to fight Tao Pao Pao. The second was because of Picollo Daimao, I think?
That was super god water. It was slightly deadly.
Sacred water was placebo.
But the storytelling sure got stale as it went on, and, the flaws got more obvious I as started enjoying more complex stories.
Buu saga was super fun though. I'll take it over the android arc any day.
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They have 3 or 4 focus characters, another 3 or 4 prominent secondaries, then ignore the rest entirely. Half of MHA's cast might as well not exist, they're purely there to fill out the room. Fairy Tale was a huge guild but you only ever saw 4 of them. Naruto ignored everyone except him and Sasuke.
Negima is the only series I can think of that had a giant roster that was doing good about giving everyone time… until it ended super abruptly.
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Sacred water was a placebo. The power up came from the training effort it took to obtain it.
Resurrections were built into Dragonball from the start with the core premise of wish granting.
Well I think that Oda has done well to give a fair amount of focus for each Straw Hat throughout the New World, and now he seems to be giving quite a bit for Jinbe here as well in light of him meeting up at Wano, so I’m not worried in the event he’s writing 11 main characters.
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Ok, ya'll missing the point, this is the DBZ main cast, its 10 if we count Bulma, who isn't there.
But how many of them actually got some spotlight?
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Well I think that Oda has done well to give a fair amount of focus for each Straw Hat throughout the New World, and now he seems to be giving quite a bit for Jinbe here as well in light of him meeting up at Wano, so I’m not worried in the event he’s writing 11 main characters.
Uhh not really? On fighting side alone, only Luffy and Zoro get their 1 vs 1 (and Franky too), most of them dont.
On character development side, not all of them got one, they might as well stay the same characters before timeskip. Even Zoro doesnt get any character development, he stays as a cool and silent badass.
Oda was struggling with too many crews at once he split the crew in Dressrosa and even then he introduced so many side characters he kinda forgot to develop his main.
So I think too many character was and will stay a problem for OP.
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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Ok, ya'll missing the point, this is the DBZ main cast, its 10 if we count Bulma, who isn't there.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQefRidCg8DsiceJGyg5AVShbhUICGVc5WqrA&usqp=CAUBut how many of them actually got some spotlight?
Well, how many of them did things Goku couldn't do?
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Uhh not really? On fighting side alone, only Luffy and Zoro get their 1 vs 1 (and Franky too), most of them dont.
On character development side, not all of them got one, they might as well stay the same characters before timeskip. Even Zoro doesnt get any character development, he stays as a cool and silent badass.
Oda was struggling with too many crews at once he split the crew in Dressrosa and even then he introduced so many side characters he kinda forgot to develop his main.
So I think too many character was and will stay a problem for OP.
Well these moments come to mind in terms of spotlight away from Luffy.
Zoro scarring Kaido.
Nami proclaiming Luffy as Pirate King under Ulti's threat.
Usopp awakening his Observation Haki.
Sanji at Whole Cake Island.
Chopper slapping Queen.
Robin slapping Black Maria.
Franky vs. Senor Pink.
Brook defying Big Mom.
Jinbe calling Big Mom a mere emperor.
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Well these moments come to mind in terms of spotlight away from Luffy.
Zoro scarring Kaido.
Nami proclaiming Luffy as Pirate King under Ulti's threat.
Usopp awakening his Observation Haki.
Sanji at Whole Cake Island.
Chopper slapping Queen.
Robin slapping Black Maria.
Franky vs. Senor Pink
Brook defying Big Mom.
Jinbe calling Big Mom a mere emperor.
This. People like to ignore the moments the crew did get. I also think everyone will get their moment in this arc, and there are some dangling hooks for some crewmates in future arcs.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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This. People like to ignore the moments the crew did get. I also think everyone will get their moment in this arc, and there are some dangling hooks for some crewmates in future arcs.
That's not the issue(?)
Problem is they clearly do not get equal amounts of spotlight.
Is like that old saying, all Strawhats are equal, but some Strawhats are more equal than others.
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The Nami ninja training meme was cool. I thought Oda would surprise me and there would be some payoff. The arc isn't over tho
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Of all the Straw Hats, I feel only Robin has been severely neglected, due to her severely lacking role in Dressrosa.
But I feel that's about to change, with her fight with Black Maria, hints of being targeted, and future role with the revolutionaries in what I assume to be the Mary Geoise arc.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
