The first country or island the SH hit after this and some random talks down on Oden based on what he did as a Roger Pirate.
New nakama Yamato would possibly react in the same manner as Ace if someone spoke ill of WB. That's a fanboy.
The first country or island the SH hit after this and some random talks down on Oden based on what he did as a Roger Pirate.
New nakama Yamato would possibly react in the same manner as Ace if someone spoke ill of WB. That's a fanboy.
I feel like even if Yamato has inherited Oden's will, the obvious next step is the same one that Momo is currently taking: Becoming their own person and having their own will. I think that's why Oda has put them together, so they can create their own solid identities that show reverence to Oden's, but surpass him.
What it comes down to is Yamato has built his whole identity around Oden, going so far as the claim to be him. It seems clear he hasn’t 100% deluded himself into believing it, but it’s still a major part of who he currently is, and he hasn’t made it clear what really separates him from Oden. That worship is what he’s bringing into the crew if he joins, and it’s hard to get away from that without changing his motivation drastically. It feels like what’s being asked is to change Yamato's identity, making it wholly separate from Oden, and yet keep the same dreams he's always had. They're conjoined, and if his personality is subject to change, so are his goals. And if nothing will change, how can that work as part of the Straw Hats?
Yamata has to drop her Oden personality, but this doesn't mean that she has to drop her dreams. Especially her dream to be free isn't bound to her Oden identity.
Actually it would have nice symbolism when she drops her Oden identity, she truly becomes free.
When she realizes that, her joining is inevitable.
Being free doesn't have to mean running from Wano.
No it doesn't, but it's nonsense to stay there after being prisoned there for 20 years.
Yeah, it gets annoying over time.
It reminds me of that chapter of The Simpsons, when Homer meets a weird guy who claims to be Michael Jackson.
Yeah Yamato’s not staying on Wano regardless of whether he joins the crew or not
Yeah Yamato’s not staying on Wano regardless of whether he joins the crew or not
Well there is always the darkest timeline
Being free doesn't have to mean running from Wano.
Yamato wants more than freedom though.
Like going other places by choice.
@wolfwood:
Well there is always the darkest timeline
Where Kaido wins and Yamato is caged again?
Yeah then that's how they'd stay on Wano.
@Monquito:
Yeah, it gets annoying over time.
It reminds me of that chapter of The Simpsons, when Homer meets a weird guy who claims to be Michael Jackson.
That wasn't a "weird" guy LOL.
That was a mental patient.
Being free doesn't have to mean running from Wano.
He clearly wants to, since the part that interested him the most while talking to Ace was the various pirates around the world.
@Zik:
Where Kaido wins and Yamato is caged again?
Yeah then that's how they'd stay on Wano.
Or if Momo wins and he gets caged in by the responsibility chains from Odens shitty life. Oden gets to wreck shit beyond all reason to live a grand and carefree life and this good hearted sucker gets roped in to fix his mess at the expense of his own happiness.
No matter how many responsibilities Momo is going to have, he's not going to be as caged as Oden was.
Besides he is different than Oden.
Oden was born in safe country, he was bored to death, and he was the most troublesome person in the whole country.
Momo is the opposite.
People really latch hardcore on the "I am Oden part" as if it's all Yams is. Feel like that's such a misread and would be akin to claiming Usopp deranged for donning the Sogeking persona at Enies Lobby. Cause to me that's basically what that whole shtick is, Yams donning a persona to guide him during difficult times and that persona isn't even necessarily Oden but what he thought Oden was based on the hour of legend and his logbook. There is plenty of room to create a gap of interpretation. Regardless people that are hardcore latching on the "I am Oden" moment conveniently ignore all the other moments, especially the moments of low stress(like sitting down with ace, momo and shinobu) where Yams is just Yams. Their shtick of being Oden isn't going to be more extreme or ever present as Usopp being Sogeking in my opinion. It might be a thing they grow out of very soon(like how Sogeking disappeared after Thriller Bark) or it might be a thing that's only going to be a relevant gag in certain moments of doubt for the character.
We may have to wait until the borders of Wano are open before we see how Yamato continues to utilise the identity of "Oden".
Once Yamato (and Momonosuke) have completed the act Oden was unable to see through, will Yamato still proceed as they are now? Yamato's action of handing over Oden's journal to Momonosuke is quite symbolic and will likely have a deeper relevance going forward.
Well there is always the darkest timeline
No matter how many responsibilities Momo is going to have, he's not going to be as caged as Oden was.
Besides he is different than Oden.
Oden was born in safe country, he was bored to death, and he was the most troublesome person in the whole country.
Momo is the opposite.
Maybe i phrased that ambigiously but i meant to refer to Yams in a scenario where his Oden delusions get used to browbeat him into accepting that it is his "duty" to stay as Momos helper and fix all that Oden-prime wrecked.
Yamata has to drop her Oden personality, but this doesn't mean that she has to drop her dreams. Especially her dream to be free isn't bound to her Oden identity.
Actually it would have nice symbolism when she drops her Oden identity, she truly becomes free.
When she realizes that, her joining is inevitable.
This was my previous argument. I refuse to believe that Luffy will let a new SH on his ship that pretends to be someone else and wants to follow someone else's dream. Either Yamato embraces who he/she is and what he/she wants or I simply can't see too much SH potential. I feel like it'll happen once Wano is finally free, but some little details here or there about Yamato's ambition would be nice. Right now, I feel like the "Leave with Ace. No wait, leave with Luffy!" is still a parallel to Oden with Whitebeard and Roger. I need to know what Yamato wants to do that's different from what Oden wanted.
Or if Momo wins and he gets caged in by the responsibility chains from Odens shitty life. Oden gets to wreck shit beyond all reason to live a grand and carefree life and this good hearted sucker gets roped in to fix his mess at the expense of his own happiness.
I don't see that especially if we stick with Yamato's crazy I am Oden schtick.
Oden thought he left Wano in good hands and was eager as fuck to leave. Yamato is fighting in this battle to leave Wano in better hands so he can then leave and explore the world.
I don't see a responsibility in staying to fix anything. Oden was no politician or even shown to run a country well. I don't have any reason to believe Yamato can either. Especially in a Wano that has opened its borders.
People really latch hardcore on the "I am Oden part" as if it's all Yams is. Feel like that's such a misread and would be akin to claiming Usopp deranged for donning the Sogeking persona at Enies Lobby. Cause to me that's basically what that whole shtick is, Yams donning a persona to guide him during difficult times and that persona isn't even necessarily Oden but what he thought Oden was based on the hour of legend and his logbook. There is plenty of room to create a gap of interpretation. Regardless people that are hardcore latching on the "I am Oden" moment conveniently ignore all the other moments, especially the moments of low stress(like sitting down with ace, momo and shinobu) where Yams is just Yams. Their shtick of being Oden isn't going to be more extreme or ever present as Usopp being Sogeking in my opinion. It might be a thing they grow out of very soon(like how Sogeking disappeared after Thriller Bark) or it might be a thing that's only going to be a relevant gag in certain moments of doubt for the character.
Yeah, I really don't see how those ppl don't get it.
Bruh comparing Yamato practically being a Oden impersonator to Usopp taking an alias to help fight alongside his crew is not the same or even the same Schtick but nice try tho
Yes Yamato is such a master impersonator of Oden it wasn't clear to anyone that they weren't Oden when they first appeared, what masterful impersonation! Again call me out when I'm wrong but pretty fucking sure that this shtick isn't going to be as extreme or significant as people are trying to make it out to be. It's again just going to be their version of the Sogeking persona from Usopp. I find it comical that people think that this manga is suddenly going to be a deep character piece on how Yamato needs to overcome their "Oden personality disorder" and that's going to be their character arc somehow vs what is more in line with the entire manga which is it's going to be mostly played for gags and otherwise not be that significant. Like this part I'm far more certain about than their chances on joining. Pretty sure anyone that is playing that angle and is reducing all their arguments to Yams has to deal with this, is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Like if I read only this forum I'd think Yams would be Oden 2.0 with how hard people hammer that angle and I would be shocked to find out that Yams isn't wielding two katanas, isn't a reckless charger into trouble, doesn't have a secret underling gang drawn to him because of his Odenlike charisma etc etc.
(whereas every other Straw Hat has had their situations updated with frequency in the latest chapters).
That's not true though as we haven't seen anything from Chopper or Brook since the focus shifted away to the rooftop. We only got updates on Straw Hats proactively fighting the Tobi Roppo so far because its Kaidou's commanders that are the focal point, the Straw Hats are just there.
Who do you guys think will fight who?
I still think
Ulti and Page One vs Nami and Usopp
Sasaki vs Franky
Black Maria vs Robin
Queen vs Sanji
King vs Marco
I originally thought we’d have Jack vs Jinbei and Who’s Who vs Brook, and I still think that might happen
There have been points where Luffy could've gave Yamato the "Wano disgust" face for the obsession with Oden. Yamato is gonna jump into the Kaido fight and state that's what Oden would do
Not only will Yamato arrive to assist Luffy in the battle against Kaido but he will be bringing "backup".
Some people have a twisted view on how far Yamato’s identifying as Oden actually goes. From what I’ve seen after checking the chapters since his introduction, Yamato has claimed to be Oden two (and a half) times:
First when he talked about Luffy having to let him on board which to me seemed more like a “what would Oden do in this situation” than a “I’m Oden and not Yamato”, which is why I count this as half an instance
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Second when he got Luffy’s order to protect Momonosuke and Shinobu and introduced himself to them, where he was visibly nervous about meeting Oden’s son
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Third after his flashback with Ace which is directly after revealing to Momonosuke that Kaidou is his father
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Pretty much every other time Yamato is himself, introducing himself as such to both Ace and Luffy, talking repeatedly about his father, his imprisonment on Onigashima, his desire to go out to sea (“I want to live as free as Oden did!”). Yamato was even quick to concede that Luffy is more Oden than him which indicates that there isn’t that strong of an attachment to identifying as Oden as people want to make us believe.
It rather seems like it’s more of a self-encouragement whenever Yamato is faced with a situation where he’s unsure what to do (first case, Yamato asking Luffy for a ride) or when he’s nervous (second case, meeting the son of his idol), giving off vibes of internal morale boosting akin to "I can do this! I'm Oden!". So I fully agree that it’s pretty much how Sogeking worked for Usopp rather than some kind of everlasting delusion that will overshadow every single interaction.
Also if Yamato was a full blown Oden fanboy they'd be running around with two swords yelling Oden two-sword style with any attack.
Yet Yamato wields a kanabo like their father, Kaido (even has attacks similar to Kaido's).
Don't know how you cant see those panels of Momo and Shinobu reacting to "I'm Oden" lile Yamato is a crazy person and not laugh at being an obvious joke. As already mentioned the maybe you're more Oden than me to Luffy is even more of a dead give away of what this is.
Kozuki Oden is a state of mind.
I haven't followed discussion and interviews too much, lately but…How do we stand on there being a tenth person at all, these days ? Did Oda confirm recently that we can still count on one ?
I mean, looking at the whole picture, the 5-year plan seems to have taken hold for good - regardless of how many years those 5 really end up lasting. Oda has clearly expressed that he doesn't want to run a weekly serialization forever (see latest interview). Arcs are bloated-full of characters, narrative corners are being cut left and right, lots of action is taking place off-panel already. Not to mention the vast crowd of underworld brokers, kings, revolutionaries, marines, spies ... who are eagerly waiting their turn in the spotlight. And extisting Straw Hats don't even get that much panel time anymore... Can there really be a way to establish a meaningful relation with another crewmate in the middle of all this? Jinbe took 10 years to join, after all.
If there had to be a tenth Yamato would definitely be my pick, but as much as I like the idea... I'm reluctantly considering the notion that all we may get from now on is Fleet Captains and allies who tag along the way Law did. I really hope for Yamato, though :wub:
While I don't think the popularity polls can serve as any sort of perfect measure of how much effort Oda has put into a particular character - think of Laws first ranking, or Izo ranking at all now - I do think its interesting what happened to Carrots japan ranking inbetween the last two polls.
The 6th poll took place in the thick of the Whole Cake arc, the most Carrot-heavy arc of all, and she scored a strong 26th place even before we'd gotten to her big Sulong moment or the death of beloved mentor figure Pedro. But evidently the strength of the cool (and it was cool!) Sulong moment was not enough to carry Carrots rank; In the most objective terms I can think of, this shows a decline in Carrots popularity which happens to coincide with declining prominence of her role in the story.
I can't help but wonder if the whole "meta-game" of spending hours and hours (and hours and hours and…) of sussing out Carrots crewmate potential, of countless youtuber vids on the subject, of zeroing in on the color of her cape, is more of a western thing? Or are the japanese as into it?
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I haven't followed discussion and interviews too much, lately but…How do we stand on there being a tenth person at all, these days ? Did Oda confirm recently that we can still count on one ?
Oda has said that the roster seen in the recent group spread is the whole crew he envisioned at the start. So it might be done!
But magazines have hinted that Luffy's original statement f "about 10" still includes a tenth person, and there's the matter of how many members are in Blackbeard's crew, and such.
Time constaints aren't that bad. After Wano is over the roster is going to drop a lot, we should be losing all the tagalons (even Law) for a while, and be back down to the core group for the first time in a decade. that's an ideal time to shine. And for all Oda says 5 years to go, 7 or so still seems likely which is a lot of time… especially when movies and specials will probably continue even after the series is done... or these characters may appear in whatever short things Oda does next... more or less.
Also, if a remaining character exists that can speed up some story beats yet. Someone that knows a little bit (but not all) about how to get to the final places could cut months or even years off the time the manga needs to tie off some of the loose ends. Oden's journal, if its not a complete spoiler, is good for that.
Considering Franky and Brook's placement in popularity polls, I don't think we should even consider arguments based on 'popularity.' Oda doesn't change his mind based on popularity, which, everyone knows. The argument seems to be a sort of validation for people who like popular characters. 'See, your character isn't popular and if they were a character Oda designed to join, they'd be more popular.' It's just illogical when you consider the relative unpopularity of some members of the crew. And I mean, both Carrot and Yamato placed higher than Jimbei, Franky, and Brook, so ultimately it means absolutely nothing for either of them.
I'm just amazed that Carrot could bomb so hard in a nation that is built for her to succeed
Nobody has made that argument. Like maybe that person is in my ignore and I didn't see it then but nobody has made the xyz is popular = their chances rise/is not popular their chances lowered argument. Like what is that out of nowhere strawman?
What people have said at most is still the same argument that any new crewmate should shine in this arc and should make an impactful impression. Popularity polls do reflect if any character is making an impression on readers and is often related to whoever gets the spotlight. Thus it's just now concrete data for the first age long argument, that people have already been saying for ages. Not sure why that's a hard difference to understand that leads people to argue a nonexistent strawman.
Now people that think carrot will join naturally have disagreed with how much time carrot still has to make her impact. I've already said before I think that time is running short as hell. Honestly I'm very much at the point if Carrot is not appearing in the next 6 chapters they're just not going to join, cause I truly won't believe until Oda actually does it that he'd treat a newcomer like this vs making sure to give them their own moments here and there as he has done for pretty much every other strawhat in the raid. I fundamentally would disagree that having them pop up only after long absences is what you'd want to do for a new crewmate.
To expand though this also takes into consideration Oda's 5 year plan even if you extend it by a few years. Cause if we had another 10 to dilly dally I'd concede carrot could be another Robin and get their arc after this one. But considering what still has to be resolved and what lies ahead I don't see a way there is time for carrot's water7/enies lobby. Wano is the place to make your impact.
Every Straw Hat bar Jimbei has placed high in their first popularity poll with Franky being the lowest, placed 13th. Jimbei with his constantly postponed joining placed 35th in his first popularity poll which took place some time before Chapter 771, so long after Fishman Island and during his rather boring cover story. But as soon as he got back in the spotlight in Whole Cake Island he got 6th place in the next poll before Chapter 874. All other Straw Hats have never dropped below 20 in all previous popularity polls.
What's important to keep in mind and illogical to neglect is the time frame between popularity polls and characters joining. Of course characters will place higher when they just recently got a lot of focus, which is the norm for people who just joined. This observation even fits for Jimbei's placement where Oda admittedly fell short of his usual level of storytelling in Jimbei's cover story. But then once they've been around for a while they have to share their screen time not only with the other Straw Hats but also with all the other tag-alongs we've had in the New World. That they eventually drop in popularity shouldn't be all too surprising, especially considering Oda has mostly focused on the Wanoese characters and their stories so much that the Straw Hats noticeably took a backseat in the current arc. It's even acknowledged by Luffy who has to hold Yamato back so that the Akazaya can be the ones to land the first blow on Kaidou, saying that they're the ones to start the war.
It's a completely different story for characters who still have to prove themselves, characters who haven't joined and aren't safe from being left behind. Yamato is no exception, being 19th in Japan is a weird spot to be in. It's relatively low for someone who is considered next crewmate material but still high enough considering his comparatively low impact so far. We could try to rationalize it by what I mentioned earlier, the common conception that Wano is mostly about the Kozuki clan. I'm curious to see if the postcards will change anything since there's only one week of voting left and Japanese readers will not get the next chapter before the voting period ends.
Compared to Yamato though, Carrot's numbers are absolutely devastating. She placed only 27th in her first poll in Whole Cake Island, an arc that already has a very small group of protagonists, meaning she had much more opportunity to stand out and for people to latch on to. This is far lower than any other Straw Hat, again, bar Jimbei. But he at least made up for it once he got back into the story and soared up to 6th place. Carrot did the exact opposite, she got dropped out of the story for most of Wano and subsequently dropped to 48th place. That would be a disastrous placement for any Straw Hat at any point and yes, Franky being on 39th is shocking.
I also truly believe that "If Oda designed a character to join then he would make sure they're popular enough". I can't find a source so this one I'm not too sure about it, but I remember the claim that Oda would be devastated if Luffy was not the most popular character and I believe we can extend that statement to the other Straw Hats within a certain limit. Each and every one of them is supposed to be able the protagonist of their own story, so it goes hand in hand that they should equally be among the most popular characters, at the very least during the times in which they actually get focus and don't have to make space for other story elements like it's currently happening in Wano.
Also, just to reiterate: What DarthAsthma said is correct. Nobody ever argued "more/less popularity will result in Oda making that character join/not join". It's always been the other way around, characters who Oda intends to have join the crew tend to get a lot of focus which will be reflected in popularity, which has been true so far. A lack thereof either is an indicator that he didn't plan on having that character join, or that he failed to make the story give off that impression. And that's exactly what Carrot deniers have been saying for years now: Oda's portrayal of Carrot is nowhere near the same level as all other Straw Hats had during their joining process.
Carrot's joining chances being influenced by popularity is a dumb argument.
There were attempts to analyze the correlation between her decreasing focus, crewmate potential and the poll results though, which is an interesting thought exercise. The feeling is that Carrot is only considered a stronger contender overseas, whereas Japan and Asia did not think much of her.
This seems very different from the likes of Franky, Brook and Jinbe. They all managed to snatch higher ranks during popularity polls taking place around the times of their joining, which inevitably linked to focus on their characters. Franky was once 13th, Brook 9th and Jinbe 6th. With that in mind, how come is Carrot not doing well? The obvious is lack of focus. In which case, you have to think why she's lacking focus…
I see the carrot dream is still living on in some for some odd reason.
Time to put that in the rear view and move ahead, nonetheless about 5 years too late
@Daz:
While I don't think the popularity polls can serve as any sort of perfect measure of how much effort Oda has put into a particular character - think of Laws first ranking, or Izo ranking at all now - I do think its interesting what happened to Carrots japan ranking inbetween the last two polls.
The 6th poll took place in the thick of the Whole Cake arc, the most Carrot-heavy arc of all, and she scored a strong 26th place even before we'd gotten to her big Sulong moment or the death of beloved mentor figure Pedro. But evidently the strength of the cool (and it was cool!) Sulong moment was not enough to carry Carrots rank; In the most objective terms I can think of, this shows a decline in Carrots popularity which happens to coincide with declining prominence of her role in the story.
I can't help but wonder if the whole "meta-game" of spending hours and hours (and hours and hours and…) of sussing out Carrots crewmate potential, of countless youtuber vids on the subject, of zeroing in on the color of her cape, is more of a western thing? Or are the japanese as into it?
I've wondered how much theorizing Japanese One Piece fans do. I know as a westerner, theorizing comes with the territory.
My focus in the "meta-game" though is Pedro rather than Carrot. Carrot lacks "meta-clues" before Zou outside of the rabbit doll in Goa flashback and chapter 175 colorspread. Carrot doesn't fit the statue hints. She could be a ninja but Tama is claiming that.
Nami wearing Robin's clothes. Luffy drawing a carpenter. Brook is a skeleton musician with an afro and a connection to Laboon. Jinbe knew Arlong and Ace and Fishmen are really strong. "Hints" made about them that's meaning didn't come to light until later.
Carrot's meta claim is lacking, IMO.
Oda has said that the roster seen in the recent group spread is the whole crew he envisioned at the start. So it might be done!
Thanks for the insight. This is Oda anyway, so there certainly is a lot of wiggle room between "this is the crew I envisionned 20 years ago" and "I didn't change my plans since then". I had not considered the roster shrinking after Wano, but it is definitely possible and does offer breathing room for new faces.
Also, re: Oden's journal, it could genuinely speed up the story but I would argue that whoever ends up bringing it onboard the Sunny doesn't have to be a full crewmate. They could even give a copy of relevant parts to Robin/Nami, stay behind themselves and leave the journal to Momo/Hiory as a keepsake of their father.
Carrot's chances to join the crew are still more than Yamato. Yamato is currently getting the retainer narrative that I thought Carrot would be getting rn. Yamato didn't even exist when I was first thinking about Carrot's retainer chances. Oda is doing well with accelerating any sort of relationship with Momo.
Carrot's chances to join the crew are still more than Yamato. Yamato is currently getting the retainer narrative that I thought Carrot would be getting rn. Yamato didn't even exist when I was first thinking about Carrot's retainer chances. Oda is doing well with accelerating any sort of relationship with Momo.
Everything so far seems to point Yamato leaving Wano.
It's obvious he simply doesn't like it there. And the shackle narrative is just symbolic of that.
God I hope that we see either Carrot or Yamato in the next chapter, just to give us something new to discuss. Can’t believe we’re still arguing about whether or not Yamato will leave Wano.
Yamato's potential is immense with their focus in the arc set to increase as the Kaido battle heads into its conclusion as the Nine Shadows gather.
As I stated in an earlier comment, Yamato will be bringing Luffy's backup.
We know there will be Nine Shadows to face off against Kaido and we know those Nine Shadows will embody the New Generation standing up to the current New World powers - the Yonko, Marines and World Government. Oda has built the Worst Generation up since their introduction as Pirates who will define the coming era. Pirates who wish to exist independently from the powers currently ruling the seas (what one wishes for and what one has to do are two different things). Pirates who will overcome the Yonko and compete within the New World.
Some Worst Generation members may have allied with the Marines and Yonko but they did so driven by their own agendas - Teach, Law, Bege, Killer, X Drake, Hawkins and Apoo.
Oda has established Yamato to also embody the New Generation and has set Yamato up to inevitably stand against Kaido later in this arc.
Drake, Apoo and Hawkins need to find common ground if they wish to fight together against an opponent. Yamato before heading to face their father will serve such a role. Just as Oden charmed his retainers, the White Beard Pirates and the Roger Pirates, Yamato could do the same with the current Worst Generation members present on Onigashima. After all, Oden is "a guy everyone loves" and Yamato did state to Ulti earlier in the arc "this is the day when I become Kozuki Oden at last". What better way to convey such a conviction than to encourage an alliance (albeit temporary) between the Worst Generation members present in Onigashima to stand against Kaido.
The Nine Shadows set to defeat Kaido will be the eight Worst Generation members present and Yamato.
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Such focus, set-up and integration of Yamato among the New Generation is highly relevant and can lead Yamato themself to becoming part of the story the New Generation members are scripting for the current era.
At such a point in the story, Yamato is handled as a main character in this arc and has potential to have that relevance extend beyond Wano Kuni and to the rest of the remaining One Piece story.
Hope something with Hawkins happens. He's been the most boring Supernova yet. Same reason why Kanjuro was spotted as the infiltrator. He had nothing compared to the other Scabbards
People still expect Hawkins and Apoo to turn coat?
I never thought Apoo would be anything but an antagonist. From his powers to appearance and personality, everything screamed "cowardly backstabber" to me. I was expecting Hawkins to turn alongside Drake, but once Drake was exposed and he remained in Kaido's side, I feel he is going to follow the cards and remain on the Beast Pirates. At this point, I expect him to be Brook's opponent, now that Apoo is injured and left behind.
God I hope that we see either Carrot or Yamato in the next chapter, just to give us something new to discuss. Can’t believe we’re still arguing about whether or not Yamato will leave Wano.
We could always do this thread a Solid and talk about how Tama is checking so many boxes. :ninja:
People still expect Hawkins and Apoo to turn coat?
I never thought Apoo would be anything but an antagonist. From his powers to appearance and personality, everything screamed "cowardly backstabber" to me. I was expecting Hawkins to turn alongside Drake, but once Drake was exposed and he remained in Kaido's side, I feel he is going to follow the cards and remain on the Beast Pirates. At this point, I expect him to be Brook's opponent, now that Apoo is injured and left behind.
Except that just like in Marineford, those cards are going to tell him Luffy will survive against all the odds.
And he's not ignoring that.
People still expect Hawkins and Apoo to turn coat?
I never thought Apoo would be anything but an antagonist. From his powers to appearance and personality, everything screamed "cowardly backstabber" to me. I was expecting Hawkins to turn alongside Drake, but once Drake was exposed and he remained in Kaido's side, I feel he is going to follow the cards and remain on the Beast Pirates. At this point, I expect him to be Brook's opponent, now that Apoo is injured and left behind.
Hawkins can easily change sides since his morality is directly tied to card interpretation.
Hes literally the conflict's wild card right now.