It's just that they fought for 3 days straight. And at the end it showed that they were even.
But I guess Roger's crew would have won if they had fought for a few more days…
whatever
It's just that they fought for 3 days straight. And at the end it showed that they were even.
But I guess Roger's crew would have won if they had fought for a few more days…
whatever
@Myu:
Don't you think it's a bit bad writing that Roger's and Edward's crew was at a stalemate when they fought in the flashback? Marco was just a kid, Whitebeard had Oden as his strongest fighter. I'm assuming Marco was 1st division commander back then as well?
My point is, how come that fight was even? Rayleigh was prime and Scopper Gaban was rocking as well. Who could stop them?
Most of background info we got on this period I was not a fan.
Just assume they used numbers for them. And they did have Oden.
Shanks and Buggy had a stare off with Teach. It is more of a pirate thing to me at least. Like Shanks just went to WB to speak about Ace and Teach, but WB wanted to clash with him. I doubt Shanks intended on that, but he was with it
It's almost like when I used to visit my uncles house and he would put gloves on to see if I could still defend myself. It was half bonding/ half checking my temperature. WB is from a time of strength. If you couldn't hold your own in Rocks, you were possibly killed.
So, when they fight, I doubt anyone outside of the 2 captains are going hard for multiple days. Vista and some of the others seem older than Marco. Marco going at Rayleigh would be more of like Ace vs WB. The difference is that Ace was really trying to defeat WB. I don't see Marco doing that. He might just clash w/ them for days. It would be like training for Marco
You'd have to be a ruffian/brute to truly understand days of fighting just to fight
Shanks is the on that stood up and drew his sword. Whitebeard just didnt take it passively.
It was their already known disposition. WB is okay with things getting reckless and wanted to handle it himself. Shanks doesn't want the balance to be upset and even says that Teach might take WB's position. It's the old head being told by the young guy that things can get bad and WB is offended. Same as Kata warning BM and BM getting offended by it. WB throws the sake at Shanks first. Shanks draws his sword because he's known WB for long and knows what is about to go down
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Whitebeard get a bad rap. Between the knocking of his people and drawing his sword Im gonna say Shanks was much more agrressive but that people give a pass because he looks chill.
Hello! My first post here, so here I go:
Btw, this is more of a fun thought than a complaint/question.
Doflamingo had to use his DF powers to keep his organs working, right? After Luffy or Law, I forget which one, fucked them up.
So after the battle, when he was imported to Impel Down all shackled up in sea stone, shouldn't he die? Because doesn't sea stone mostly stop folks
using their powers? Or at least limit them considerably.
Doflamingo had to use his DF powers to keep his organs working, right? After Luffy or Law, I forget which one, fucked them up.
So after the battle, when he was imported to Impel Down all shackled up in sea stone, shouldn't he die? Because doesn't sea stone mostly stop folks
using their powers? Or at least limit them considerably.
Probably went to the medic first.
The image of Doffy constantly holding himself from unraveling is amusing tho.
It's like holding a fart, except you die if you let it out.
I imagine that by now he's more yarn than man.
Yarn spleen, yarn heart, yarn fingers etc.
They should stop giving him newspapers, all that laughing really must not be helpful trying to keep himself together.
Like, you know, holding a fart. Or a spleen.
Do you see a rescue arc for Vivi or Sabo?
@Myu:
Do you see a rescue arc for Vivi or Sabo?
I see a Rescue Hancock arc, intertwined with Vivi and Sabo being hunted (he probably saved her and was accused of kidnapping, and Im wants Vivi) and Kuma and Bonney shenanigans. What links all those stories? Tenryuubito, Revolutionaries and slavery. Enemies are probably going to be CP0 and/or maybe the SSG's debut.
With Jinbe in the crew and Jinbe's flashback ommiting Fisher Tiger's rampage on Mary Geouise, I'm sure we will see that with Hancock's flashback. And her story may even tie with Koala's.
We need a bunch of people to be rescued for the finale.
The Warlords have been responsible for so many of the arcs. From AP arc to the Alabasta Saga with BW and TB arc. Just based on the little parts of the Underworld and Research Team that have been sprinkled in every arc since the PH arc. I think the SSG and some of the Royals introduced through the Levely might be the key to the next stretch of the story and will now take over dynamic where they are key to some arcs, post Wano. The Admirals just talked about the SSG filling in the gap to balance things.
It was the Yonkos, Warlords and Marines that were said to keep the balance. The SSG have to be seriously formidable to replace the Warlords. The Warlords weren't just muscle on their own. They had connections, power and resources that benefit other countries. That is part of the WG's facade to keep the Royals in line. That they have some kind of say in the world and matter.
This entity can be used to expound on the Research team and the Underworld throughout some arcs. So far, VP has connections to Judge who had services provided to be considered part of the Underworld. VP was also connected to working w/ Caesar (not Research team), who provides product and is considered part of the Underworld. It was said in PH arc that VP used prisoners for test.
I think Morley, Lindbergh, Kaido, King, and Queen are all connected to VP and Judge''s research. The defeat or whatever happens at the end of this arc might segue into that narrative.
There were antagonist that reign terror due to Warlords, organizations and crews that bullied countries and even Mihawk was used to show Zoro how large the gap was. Kuma was used to exemplify the WG's power to even enslave and work on former leaders, and has help the crew at least twice now. Hancock was used to foreshadow Fisher Tiger, emphasize the reach of the CDs, and also help Luffy get into ID. If the SSG are to fill that dynamic, I don't think it'll be just 1 dimensional for the balance. I think this group will fill in and function as some of the Warlords did previously.
The Warlords have been responsible for so many of the arcs. From AP arc to the Alabasta Saga with BW and TB arc. Just based on the little parts of the Underworld and Research Team that have been sprinkled in every arc since the PH arc. I think the SSG and some of the Royals introduced through the Levely might be the key to the next stretch of the story and will now take over dynamic where they are key to some arcs, post Wano. The Admirals just talked about the SSG filling in the gap to balance things.
It was the Yonkos, Warlords and Marines that were said to keep the balance. The SSG have to be seriously formidable to replace the Warlords. The Warlords weren't just muscle on their own. They had connections, power and resources that benefit other countries. That is part of the WG's facade to keep the Royals in line. That they have some kind of say in the world and matter.
I feel the SSG will provide fabricated supersoldiers using several of the technologies that have been hinted or shown over the years: DF-improved living weapons, cyborgs, artificial DF users, dragon riders, special kairouseki weapons, and so on. I imagine the SSG will replace the Shichibukai in the sense that it can provide an easy way to create above-average fighters, and the first assembled team of super soldiers will be dispatched against the Strawhats as a test pretty soon as part of the next arc/saga.
I'm betting on next saga delving into slavery, the Celestial Dragons and Revolutionaries, with Hancock's capture drawing the Strawhats into it, while Sabo, Vivi, the Revolutionaries, Bonney and Kuma getting involved, while the antagonists may be the Admirals, the SSG squad and CP0. It would involve more than one arc and explore both Vegapunk and God Valley eventually.
Now will they do Ginyu Force-esque poses?
@Johnny:
Now will they do Ginyu Force-esque poses?
It's Oda. It's very likely.
I feel the SSG will provide fabricated supersoldiers using several of the technologies that have been hinted or shown over the years: DF-improved living weapons, cyborgs, artificial DF users, dragon riders, special kairouseki weapons, and so on. I imagine the SSG will replace the Shichibukai in the sense that it can provide an easy way to create above-average fighters, and the first assembled team of super soldiers will be dispatched against the Strawhats as a test pretty soon as part of the next arc/saga.
I'm betting on next saga delving into slavery, the Celestial Dragons and Revolutionaries, with Hancock's capture drawing the Strawhats into it, while Sabo, Vivi, the Revolutionaries, Bonney and Kuma getting involved, while the antagonists may be the Admirals, the SSG squad and CP0. It would involve more than one arc and explore both Vegapunk and God Valley eventually.
As much as I talk about this, I always tend to forget Bonney when she is crucial to Kuma and as a Supernova. Important enough to be part of the Reverie narrative and even Teach thought she was valuable enough to leverage, despite what he just revealed to the WG as his plot and doing
As much as I talk about this, I always tend to forget Bonney when she is crucial to Kuma and as a Supernova. Important enough to be part of the Reverie narrative and even Teach thought she was valuable enough to leverage, despite what he just revealed to the WG as his plot and doing
Yeah, it's all linked.
Kuma is linked to Vegapunk, SSG, Revolutionaries, Bonney and the Celestial Dragons.
Bonney for some reason is really wanted by the government.
Vegapunk may have ties to the Revolutionaries.
The Revolutionaries and Bonney were present in the Reverie.
Something happened to Vivi in the Reverie and Sabo may be involved.
The Celestial Dragons are assholes that mistreat slaves.
Hancock just lost her status and is the only Shichibukai that can't simply run away.
Hancock and Koala were former slaves. Kuma is a slave. Their main enemy are the Celestial Dragons.
The Revolutionaries fight against the Celestial Dragons.
CP0 protects the Celestial Dragons.
God Valley incident had something to do with the Celestial Dragons and their slaves.
And, finally, Jinbe's flashback skipped Fisher Tiger's rampage on Mary Geouise, something that we may finally see now from Hancock's and Koala's perspective.
While I don't think a single arc can cover all those themes, I'm sure the next saga could do it, just like the "Yonko Saga" started way back in Punk Hazzard and we are nearing its climax.
If King and the Giants are supposedly 2/3 of the races that BM is referring to, then does that confirm that she regards the Moon people (Shandian, Birkan, Skypiean) as 1 race or is she unaware of their race?
1 - King's race - 1 of the Moon people
2 Giants
3 - ????
It leaves no room to regard Moon people as 3 separate races. She either isn't aware of them at all or regards them as 1 race
I feel the SSG will provide fabricated supersoldiers using several of the technologies that have been hinted or shown over the years: DF-improved living weapons, cyborgs, artificial DF users, dragon riders, special kairouseki weapons, and so on. I imagine the SSG will replace the Shichibukai in the sense that it can provide an easy way to create above-average fighters, and the first assembled team of super soldiers will be dispatched against the Strawhats as a test pretty soon as part of the next arc/saga.
Same as the Pacifistas, they arguably may also be clones of the Warlords and possibly other big names whose remains or genetic material they managed to snag at some point; the powers of their forbearers replicated to some degree by Vegapunk's science.
Shot in the dark here, but given Oda's propensity for creating tons of new characters that favor wildly varying visuals, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the SSG is going to amount to a very specific number – 88, same as the number of constellations, with each SSG being assigned a respective codename like Ursa Major, Ares, and what not...its top twelve most powerful symbolizing the Zodiac oc. Oda does loves his themes, numbers, and categorization.
S'why I'm also expecting Coby getting getup from some Perseus-inspired SSG dude packing a reflective shield against Hancock the Gorgon, taking her out with her own reflection.
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If King and the Giants are supposedly 2/3 of the races that BM is referring to, then does that confirm that she regards the Moon people (Shandian, Birkan, Skypiean) as 1 race or is she unaware of their race?
1 - King's race - 1 of the Moon people
2 Giants
3 - ????It leaves no room to regard Moon people as 3 separate races. She either isn't aware of them at all or regards them as 1 race
IIRC, she's got at least one half-skylander child running around. If they're all presumably 1 race, then that'd entail King being something else altogether. I've seen some people speculating he might be a member of some "Devil" or underground reptilian race. Me, I'm guessing he'll either be revealed as a member of some kinda feathered serpent race, or perhaps even a mix of a bird/skylander person and said reptilian race….basically representing the union of two mythological enemies in the bird-like Garuda and their nemeses the snake-like Nagas, symbolized in a way by King's devil fruit -- a flying reptile.
That and I can't shake the feeling that Oda's going to finally present us with the Basilisk of Impel Down's counterpart by revealing that King's a big ole Chicken Dragon under that mask, ie a Cockatrice of sorts. Those flames he emits might be a hint pointing in this direction, given the myths surrounding the Cockatrice's ability to set shit aflame.
All that said, could simply be that Tengus are their own unique race as well and King's one of the last. But then, we've already got winged humans and anthropomorphic birds, so I'm hesitant to think Oda would throw us something so similar, unless he were trying to illustrate some kinda point about how new races come about in the One Piece World or something.
Much rambling on my part, but one has to keep an open mind to various possibilities, wot
It was confirmed in Chapter 973 that the person who asked Momonosuke "What is your name" in his Chapter 701/Episode 630 flashback was Kaido. For documentation purposes, does anyone know who voiced that line in Episode 630?
It's not the person who voices Kaido?
Here's a question that probably got answered already, but what was up with Queen's presumably cybernetic limb going all organic in dino form when he dive-bombed Big Mom? Did Oda just forget he'd drawn him with a metal brachy leg the firts time he transformed?
Kairoseki is said to originate from Wano. Is the weather and water that surrounds the entrance to Wano connected to why kairoseki is there?
Both Big Mom and Luffy ended up on the coast of Kuri. Maybe there's also a connection with why Drake destroyed Amigasa Village. 2 Emperors (Luffy and Linlin) are separated from their crew and wash up in Kuri, plus Amigasa Village has probably gone on starving for years. Why is it that it took Drake joining to go and "attack" that village? Any of the Calamities or underlings could have went there during Kaido's rule. Did Drake come up with the idea to attack them?
I wonder when Rokugyu will show up in the series. And the former shichibukai bounties.
Read an interesting observation on reddit and wanted to ask the forum…has there ever been manga panels that show Zoro on panel use stairs?
He purposely avoids them in Enies Lobby and Dressrosa despite easy to follow directions, which yeah fits into his horrible sense of direction but maybe there is more to it?
I mean even if he has, maybe Zoro has an unconscious fear of stairs (bathmophobia) from Kuina’s death, or at least an unconscious avoidance of them.
Read an interesting observation on reddit and wanted to ask the forum…has there ever been manga panels that show Zoro on panel use stairs?
He purposely avoids them in Enies Lobby and Dressrosa despite easy to follow directions, which yeah fits into his horrible sense of direction but maybe there is more to it?
I mean even if he has, maybe Zoro has an unconscious fear of stairs (bathmophobia) from Kuina’s death, or at least an unconscious avoidance of them.
Appreciate it. Thanks for finding a panel.
the problem with that panel is he avoided them before that and had to be yelled at by chopper and nami to follow them
During Thriller Bark the Strawhats used stairs, Zoro was with them.
If I remember correctly the panels were after they used them, but I think it's unlikely that Zoro skipped them by jumping over or something.
I wouldn't put much thought into this.
Well, you know the old saying, even a broken clock is right two times a day.
If and when Moriah joins up with the good guys, we might see Nightmare versions of other Strawhats, particularly Zoro and Sanji, each temporaily "augemented" with the other's skills thru a shadow swap; Sanji learns to unleash air slashes and such with his kicks ala the Rokushiki's Rankyaku, may even wield a sword ( with his mouth of course haha, calm down, Sanji fans ); Zoro gains the ability to project flames over his blades, maybe even incorporates kicks, or straight up uses Geppou to deal with a certain flying foe.
This is more a scientific question,maybe: Could Kizaru with the awakening of his fruit,get to time travel?
Why would you think that?
I don't see how the speed of light could make you time travel.
Besides that, nobody knows how an awakened Logia might work.
I think the "awakening" will depend on how Oda thinks the ability is best expanded if he can think of way that is. Their is definitely some abilities I have no idea how they can be expanded.
Katakuri was pretty much a "Logia" yet I can't see Borsalino's "awakening" being like his.
On second thought, I can see it but I'm not sure.
I imagine Kisaru's awakening would be the ability to disintegrate things by turning them into light.
I think Logia awakening is like what we saw in Punk Hazzard, the very island transformed by the battle between two logia.
That's my guess too.
In Arabasta, Crocodile lamented all those fools who got a devil's fruit and just rested on their laurels, then explained that with training he become able to not only turn himself into sand but also the things that surrounded him, by draining the moisture. That's not something we've actually seen any other logia do.
And he was the first one to mention awakened zoans, meaning he knows quite a bit about devil's fruits and that their limits are surpassable.
"Light" is not really like "sand", "ice", and "magma" though. And Crocodile was only able to turn things into sand with only one of his hands and it was explained how he was able to do that so I'm not sure that was his "awakened" ability. Katakuri was pretty much a "logia" and didn't have such limation and his ability was clearly treated as "awakened".
So you're saying there was an actual limitation to how Crocodile's drying powers worked and that it even required an explanation because that is not how sand works…
That's why some people believe that's, at least part of, his awakening, because it's an ability that goes beyond what we should expect. Smoker never did anything like it, nor Ace, nor any other logias. They usually manipulate themselves as an element, they don't turn their surroundings to their element.
As for how that would work for Kizaru ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it's something like Enel's final techniques, transforming himself into a giant being of pure element, that's also something we've never seen other logias do.
p.s. we don't know if Crocodile could pull that ability off with both hands for obvious reasons
p.s. we don't know if Crocodile could pull that ability off with both hands for obvious reasons
Lol, that so true!
I meant that Crocodile had to have physical contact with what he turned into sand and could even absorb water with it. Katakuri didn't need physical contact with what he turned into mochi and could just make it suddenly appear.
What Eneru did was standard "logia" ability.
I meant that Crocodile had to have physical contact with what he turned into sand and could even absorb water with it. Katakuri didn't need physical contact with what he turned into mochi and could just make it suddenly appear.
What Eneru did was standard "logia" ability.
IMO, that's still him transforming the surroundings into sand, something beyond common logia powers. Katakuri and Doflamingo were paramecia, so maybe that's why their powers behave differently?
As I mentioned in the next nakama thread, I think Crocodile will be the one to explain awakening to the Straw Hats, maybe even hint Luffy towards how to do it. He's sure to come back soon, and I think he will be a sort of ally, thought never friendly. I wonder what he has been doing during these years.
Katakuri was a "paramecia" in name only. His ability was clearly more like a "logia" and he was initially introduced as such.
Im not sure Oda will retcon what Crocodile did as "awakening". It may just stay as a unique "logia" ability for him.