Greg how many of Big Mom’s children/crew members do you think will get a fight in this arc (solo or in a group)
I mean she’s got over 80 children and a bunch of other members like Bobbin, Pekoms and Tamago, how many will get time to shine this arc?
Greg how many of Big Mom’s children/crew members do you think will get a fight in this arc (solo or in a group)
I mean she’s got over 80 children and a bunch of other members like Bobbin, Pekoms and Tamago, how many will get time to shine this arc?
@Medical:
I wonder if Kaido could have had his son with Orochi. We don't currently know if there's any remaining Kurozumi aside from Orochi and Kanjuro, or who would take the shogun throne if Orochi kicks the bucket. Orochi doesn't care about ruling the country and just wants to see it burn, but he does seem to care about the Kurozumi family to some extent at least. And the son would be an heir of both of Wano's current rulers.
What, was Ivankov's devil fruit also in possession of the Kurozomi clan back in the day like Mr.2's and Bartolomeo's?
What, was Ivankov's devil fruit also in possession of the Kurozomi clan back in the day like Mr.2's and Bartolomeo's?
Did you just assume Kaido and Orochi's genders? Smh
Greg, I was wondering if you have any idea about meaning behind Blackbeard's bounty ? Roger,WB,BM and Shank all have their name or epithet hidden in their bounty numbers…..
Greg, I was wondering if you have any idea about meaning behind Blackbeard's bounty ? Roger,WB,BM and Shank all have their name or epithet hidden in their bounty numbers…..
Blackbeard's bounty is based on real world Blackbeard's real world bounty. Nice! It's something like the bounty from back then converted to modern currency values according to inflation.
Big Mom in this fight is very interesting, because there is absolutely zero chance that Luffy's side wins this vs 2 Emperors. So BM has to peace out of this somehow? Or maybe BM is planning to double cross Kaido? I personally think she will finally remember eating the MC and the kids and she'll loose it.
Her crew will definitely have some fights, but I don't know who will fight them? Maybe if Marco changed his mind and the last of the WB Pirates shows up?
maybe BM is planning to double cross Kaido?
I keep going back and forth on this. Their crew was about strength and would clash among each other. She already told Luffy that Kaido couldn't be beat by them. If Kaido showed weakness, I can see her being okay with him losing
If BM regains her memory then it's a certainty. But then she won't have much to do in Elbaf arc.
On second thought, may be BM will gain her true self here and redeem herself there….making amend with the giants!
Greg how many of Big Mom’s children/crew members do you think will get a fight in this arc (solo or in a group)
I mean she’s got over 80 children and a bunch of other members like Bobbin, Pekoms and Tamago, how many will get time to shine this arc?
I'm sure you won't see much of the insignificant ones (small children, weaker siblings), but depending on how chaotic the battles actually are we could see:
It'll probably be a hefty mix. It may not be BMs arc but her children are powerful and aren't just going to sit on the side while all of this happens. Plus, if she isn't continuing through Elbaf, her crew needs to be done here. Hell, even if she is going to Elbaf, I can see her crew getting totaled at Wano.
@Gia:
I'm sure you won't see much of the insignificant ones (small children, weaker siblings), but depending on how chaotic the battles actually are we could see:
- Weaker members: plenty of them fighting throughout the panels, then getting defeated here or there by minks, samurai or the main characters. Comparible to how Waiters, Pleasures and Gifters.
- Mid level members: Mont d'Or, Amande, Bavarois, Citron, Cinnamon etc getting a few signficant panels where they fight and fall at different points. Comparible to Headliners probably.
: Monster level members: Snack, Oven, Daifuku, Perospero, Campote, Smoothie. These I see actually getting full blown fights with supernova, crew members or other parties and losing in fantastic ways, just like Kaido's crew. Comparible to Tobi Roppo, Numbers and All Stars.It'll probably be a hefty mix. It may not be BMs arc but her children are powerful and aren't just going to sit on the side while all of this happens. Plus, if she isn't continuing through Elbaf, her crew needs to be done here. Hell, even if she is going to Elbaf, I can see her crew getting totaled at Wano.
This is basically what I’m hoping, the big names get some fights and the rest get some epic spreads and cool scenes
Re: BB bounty. I looked into that a while ago. iirc it's not likely as the basis for inflation was set nowhere near around the time Oda would have been having someone look for that information.
Yeah! I think there has to be a meaning behind the bounty, not simple inflation mathematics.
Remember that Big Mom already has her own dream to create the nation of all the races living together. She doesnt care about ruling the world with Kaido. I think she is already planning to betray him.
I don't think Kaido wants to rule the world. I think he wants to die gloriously in a ridiculous fight or war and if not that, at least a strong enough challenge that represents strengtth like his old crew/Rocks era. He seems intrigued by what Oden says. Might see it as an interesting challenge. Peep his reaction when Orochi says that the time travelers actually made. Or even when he sizes Momo up. I think he's really interested in what Oden said will be his match
I would also speculate that Kata looks up to him or at least goes by that principle of strength and a man's fight. Possibly why some mistaken them for father and child.
I think Big Mom was just in a really good mood after their """""fight""""". She wouldn't kick him out for eating crackers, but she will stab him in the back and he likely knows that. She will leave once she gets that road poneglyph. And maybe Charlotte Kaido. Tottoland needs onis.
I don't see the alliance falling apart. I don't think Oda would be hyping up that much how big of a deal it is, with the marines losing their shit and everything, only to immediately go ''Oh well, nevermind, it's over.''
Sengoku even brought up Rocks as this impossibly dangerous foe Roger and Garp had to team up to defeat, then basically implied Big Mom and Kaido combined as they are now could be an even bigger threat that even Rocks was.
I think this is gonna be Luffy's God Valley Incident.
Yeah its true that Kaido has his own agenda too. So they are basically lying to each other,and they are both pretty aware of this. But they are 'pretending' right now,maybe because they were on a nostalgic mood after their fight. Kinda like two old lovers that sleep together again after they didnt see each other for many years. They maybe try to give a second chance to their relationship,but after a few days they immediately remember the reasons they broke up many years earlier,so they break up again. Excuse me for the 'romantic example' but it makes the point very well.
Re: BB bounty. I looked into that a while ago. iirc it's not likely as the basis for inflation was set nowhere near around the time Oda would have been having someone look for that information.
Huh. I just remember reading that back when it was revealed, somewhere in Arlong Park. Now that I went to check it, it doesn't really match. Maybe I'm doing the calculations wrong? Or it indeed has some other meaning. Anyway, I'm guessing it's going to rise a fair bit before the final war, we can't have the last big boss have a lower bounty than Kaido and Big Mom, can we? And since BB looked like he was up to something last time we saw him, I think it's going to be sooner rather than later.
If BM regains her memory then it's a certainty. But then she won't have much to do in Elbaf arc.
On second thought, may be BM will gain her true self here and redeem herself there….making amend with the giants!
That's what I thought to. Because honestly I can see BM becoming an Ally. She could remember Choppers kindness, Sanji being a great cook, she already loves Brooks, it would allow Nami to keep Zeus with no worries.
The thing about blackbeards bounty was just fans really stretching to connect things. BB's current bounty is lower than the other emperors, excluding luffy, so that leads me to believe it COULD get higher at some point. If it does, maybe then oda will have a clear "meaning" behind it, even if its only a joke like the other huge ones he revealed.
Chopper was afraid of her most of the time and suggested killing her in multiple instances. Doubt she seen noticed that, but he was mostly afraid if she remembers, but was kind on the surface.
Tama was the mastermind behind using her to free Luffy. If anything, she thinks fondly of the village people who had nothing, yet gave her food. She noted it in 933 and in 947. The expressions from Napoleon say that he's either asleep or just disoriented until Queen delivers the infamous blow. I think Napoleon's "normal" comment refers to her being amnesiac, but it wasn't exactly precise. It could also be about her lying asleep while chained after Napoleon becomes fully awake after Queen's attack. As we saw that her kids finally could communicate when that happens
Btw greg you predicted that momonosuke will help luffy in the battle with kaidou and maybe deliver the final blow. Does kaidou having a son change your mind, like he could be the match for momo this arc.
Greg did Oda watched the final episodes of Game of Thrones? What did he think about them? And did he started The Mandalorian like he was planning to do?
I liked most of Mando, but ep 5 was just a waste of an episode. Oda should watch a better show like Better Call Saul or the Blacklist.
Oda should watch a better show like Better Call Saul or the Blacklist.
Wait, The Blacklist is good now? Haven't watched it since season 3 or 4 and the godawful character-drama.
Better Call Saul is brilliant though. Though come to think of it, did Oda ever mention watching Breaking Bad? Would be surprised if he didn't watch it.
Greg how does Oda feel about Wano ? It certainly didn’t create the boom his editors and he himself wanted. Did they overhype it ?
@Joy:
Greg how does Oda feel about Wano ? It certainly didn’t create the boom his editors and he himself wanted. Did they overhype it ?
What were they hoping for? Also they haven't started the fights yet, just the build up to it, maybe when they start that will give them the boost they want
@Joy:
Greg how does Oda feel about Wano ? It certainly didn’t create the boom his editors and he himself wanted. Did they overhype it ?
It's their job to hype, no matter what is coming up. And Wano is just now getting to the crazy action set piece thing so if enough truly crazy stuff happens it may kick up a notch..
But its a series that's 23 years old and nearly 100 volumes long, and at least seven years to go no matter how much Oda wants it to be done in four, its not going to see another War/Timeskip/Strong World style huge bump in popularity where people run out to buy all the old volumes and catch up. It's just not going to happen.
When it definitely gets towards the actual end of the series and its clear its in the final war, it might surge some then… but i imagine it won't really be hit until its final months. The final volume is probably going to sell way more than whatever the standard numbers are at the time.
Greg, do you think the coronavirus pandemic will affect how Oda will write things like the chemical weapons made by Queen and Caesar? Maybe even erase those ideas?
…....Why would he need to do that?
…....Why would he need to do that?
He doesn't need to… but some subjects can become too sensitive to the public and therefore avoided by cautious writers/publishers. I'm not saying that is the case. Just asking a question.
I mean The Walking Dead was still airing when Covid-19 started becoming more and more relevant.
I highly doubt it will have any effect on it.
I mean The Walking Dead was still airing when Covid-19 started becoming more and more relevant.
I highly doubt it will have any effect on it.
Maybe you're right, but the examples are different. The entire premise of TWD is the zombie stuff, and it is a established show which is airing episodes already filmed months/years ago. As for One Piece, it doesn't really need to go deep into infectious diseases and they can avoid it without hurting the plot (probably).
I think Wano is creating a lot of "boom" actually. A lot of people in these last months talked about Roger's flashback,Kanjuro being evil,and now Jinbei finally being part of the crew. Big things happened,and everyone in the community talked about it. And of course the best is yet to come,from the battles to the big revelations about the Road Ponyeglyph and about the One Piece. And lets not forget what's happening outside Wano,everyone is talking about what happened to Sabo or to Alabasta,and what's Blackbeard planning to do. I think people are very interested in all of these things. Maybe there wasnt a giant raise in the volumes sold,but that doesnt necessarily means that people are not interested or that the arc was overhyped.
It's their job to hype, no matter what is coming up. And Wano is just now getting to the crazy action set piece thing so if enough truly crazy stuff happens it may kick up a notch..
But its a series that's 23 years old and nearly 100 volumes long, and at least seven years to go no matter how much Oda wants it to be done in four, its not going to see another War/Timeskip/Strong World style huge bump in popularity where people run out to buy all the old volumes and catch up. It's just not going to happen.
When it definitely gets towards the actual end of the series and its clear its in the final war, it might surge some then… but i imagine it won't really be hit until its final months. The final volume is probably going to sell way more than whatever the standard numbers are at the time.
I've been reading OP weekly since the time skip. They didn't hype any arc as much as Wano. Especially Oda himself. Volumes are steadily declining in sales instead of rising. OP got compeltely destroyed by KNY which is something I find bad when you're the biggest manga ever. So Indeed maybe Wano didn't accomplish what they hoped.
The only way this series will get another boom is if the Netflix series succeeds.
@Joy:
They didn't hype any arc as much as Wano. Especially Oda himself.
They hype every arc. And Oda knows what he has planned for Wano and he's just now hitting the action bit. He might well still deliver.
Volumes are steadily declining in sales instead of rising.
Yes, because again, its 23 years old and nearly 100 volumes long. OF COURSE that is going to happen. (Also sales charts generally don't track digital sales.)
OP got compeltely destroyed by KNY which is something I find bad when you're the biggest manga ever.
No, it didn't. KNY had its stellar anime adaptation hit this year, which cause people to go out and buy all its back volumes. The sales of those 20 volumes combined beat out OP's 4 new releases by a bit.
Same thing happened a few years back with Attack on Titan. And a couple years ago with Seven Deadly SIns. And with MHA. And Assassin Classroom. And now that people have bought the backstock, OP will handily beat it again.
Also, other series doing well is not a bad thing. Its good for the industry. Kingdom and Promised Neverland are selling about 7 million each compared to OP's 10 million, and that is not a bad thing.
It's also good for Jump to have more hits that are doing on par with OP… the weight of the entire industry really shouldn't rest on its shoulders.
They hype every arc. And Oda knows what he has planned for Wano and he's just now hitting the action bit. He might well still deliver.
Not as much as Wano. I don't remember any editor saying that people should just drop every other arc and just head to Wano right away. Oda also has repeteadly said that it's been the arc he has wanted to draw the most etc. Again hes never said anything like this about other arcs.
No, it didn't. KNY had its stellar anime adaptation hit this year, which cause people to go out and buy all its back volumes. The sales of those 20 volumes combined beat out OP's 4 new releases by a bit.
Same thing happened a few years back with Attack on Titan. And a couple years ago with Seven Deadly SIns. And with MHA. And Assassin Classroom. And now that people have bought the backstock, OP will handily beat it again.
Also, other series doing well is not a bad thing. Its good for the industry. Kingdom and Promised Neverland are selling about 7 million each compared to OP's 10 million, and that is not a bad thing.
It's also good for Jump to have more hits that are doing on par with OP… the weight of the entire industry really shouldn't rest on its shoulders.
You should know that KNY beat OP's 2011 record and it's still May. It's already sold 40 million this year.
Robby you should look the last oricon figures. Kimetsu is largely above One Piece for new volumes.
And that is without talking how it beat One Piece yearly sales record in less than 6 months
Anyway since the serie is ending, One Piece will take the first place soon enough
Yeah but does sales really means people are not interested? These are two different things in my opinion
@Joy:
I've been reading OP weekly since the time skip. They didn't hype any arc as much as Wano. Especially Oda himself. Volumes are steadily declining in sales instead of rising. OP got compeltely destroyed by KNY which is something I find bad when you're the biggest manga ever. So Indeed maybe Wano didn't accomplish what they hoped.
The only way this series will get another boom is if the Netflix series succeeds.
What are you even talking about? Wano so far has mostly consisted of storytelling and set up, barely any moments intended for pure hype. At least wait until the point of the actual arc (onigashima war) begins and ends before bringing up how they "failed" to deliver "hype".
You're obsessed with the idea that OP is on a "decline", but every other current manga besides KnY trails it by millions.
What are you even talkking about? Wano so far has mostly consisted of storytelling, barely any moments intended for pure hype.
You're obsessed with the idea that OP is on a "decline", but it's still the best selling manga of all time and every other current manga besides KnY trails it by millions.
Is that hard to understand what I'm saying ?
Oda and his editors hyped the fuck out of this arc and it's not delivering the hype.Heck they even upgraded the anime and it's still not hype enough. At least according to sales.
Consistent storytelling is something I disagree with. Wano has severely lacked tension because Luffy and Co and are just going around and nothing's bothering them. Not to mention the blow Oda delivered on Kaido with Oden putting him down with a single strike.
Failing to deliver on said hype and lack of tension I t think plays a major role to Wano failing to cause another boom as Oda and his editors hoped.
I partially blame the failure to to bring the hype back on the scabbards
Do not get me wrong: I don't hate them or anything, they have some pretty nice scenes and interactions
But to be honest, I only really have any attachment to Kinemon due to facts he has been accompanying the crew since Punk Hazard and got slighty more focus than the others during Oden's flashback and in general.
My problem is that they feel like tools before being characters, tools used to pass Oden's will in the story. Thankfully Oda is the writer so they still have characterization.but that feeling is still present
Someone counted the panel time of the different characters present in Wano until the last chapter : All the 9 scabbards are in the top 20 in term of panel time. Even the least present scabbard has more panel time than the fourth most present straw hat (!!!)
,totally crazy.
Why even 9 (well 8 technically now) of them? Way harder to manage than if that number was halved. I'm sure some fans are very invested in those characters, good for them! But I'm not the only one and the sales still going down is not going to make me believe they're actually super popular in Japan.
I partially blame the failure to to bring the hype back on the scabbards
Do not get me wrong: I don't hate them or anything, they have some pretty nice scenes and interactions
But to be honest, I only really have any attachment to Kinemon due to facts he has been accompanying the crew since Punk Hazard and got slighty more focus than the others during Oden's flashback and in general.My problem is that they feel like tools before being characters, tools used to pass Oden's will in the story. Thankfully Oda is the writer so they still have characterization.but that feeling is still present
Someone counted the panel time of the different characters present in Wano until the last chapter : All the 9 scabbards are in the top 20 in term of panel time. Even the least present scabbard has more panel time than the fourth most present straw hat (!!!)
,totally crazy.
Why even 9 (well 8 technically now) of them? Way harder to manage than if that number was halved. I'm sure some fans are very invested in those characters, good for them! But I'm not the only one and the sales still going down is not going to make me believe they're actually super popular in Japan.
Was that the same guy that had the panel count in Orojackson? I'm interested in checking this out. Where can I find it?
@Joy:
Is that hard to understand what I'm saying ?
Oda and his editors hyped the fuck out of this arc and it's not delivering the hype.Heck they even upgraded the anime and it's still not hype enough. At least according to sales.
Consistent storytelling is something I disagree with. Wano has severely lacked tension because Luffy and Co and are just going around and nothing's bothering them. Not to mention the blow Oda delivered on Kaido with Oden putting him down with a single strike.
Failing to deliver on said hype and lack of tension I t think plays a major role to Wano failing to cause another boom as Oda and his editors hoped.
Yeah but we are telling you
Sales = Not the same thing as Hype
@Joy:
Oda and his editors hyped the fuck out of this arc and it's not delivering the hype.Heck they even upgraded the anime and it's still not hype enough. At least according to sales.
Who are you to gauge "hype"? I wasn't aware you've spoken to every member of the fandom and gathered a conclusive idea of who's hype and who isn't. You bring up sales but they're not significantly different from usual and you keep disregarding the fact that digital sales exist (which you have no data on) and have been on the rise.
Consistent storytelling is something I disagree with. Wano has severely lacked tension because Luffy and Co and are just going around and nothing's bothering them. Not to mention the blow Oda delivered on Kaido with Oden putting him down with a single strike.
Not sure what you're referring to. Never said anything about the quality of the story and I'm not about to sit here and argue with you over your opinion on it.
Failing to deliver on said hype and lack of tension I t think plays a major role to Wano failing to cause another boom as Oda and his editors hoped.
Please point out where they said or hinted they were trying to cause another boom. This is a scenario entirely created in your head. One Piece is already at the pinnacle of how big a manga related franchise can be in Japan. At this point there's nowhere left for them to go but down.
Was that the same guy that had the panel count in Orojackson? I'm interested in checking this out. Where can I find it?
It's from bored anon on 4chan that has been updating the list every chapter since the last 2 months, I did check being bored too and the numbers are pretty reliable.
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I apologize : It wasn't all of them since Nami got slighty more panel time than Inu with the last chapters, and Neko didn't appear during present time so I forgot him ( poor Brook is still below though :ninja:)
That's pretty cool tho.
I'm a bit disappointed Drake didnt even make it to the top 40
Anyone have a link for the latest manga sales, I still can’t believe that Demon Slayer is beating One Piece, really shocking as I don’t think it’s anywhere near as good as One Piece (outside of the anime’s amazing animation choreography) not saying it’s bad, at all, it’s just not in One Piece’s league if you ask me personally
It's from bored anon on 4chan that has been updating the list every chapter since the last 2 months, I did check being bored too and the numbers are pretty reliable.
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I apologize : It wasn't all of them since Nami got slighty more panel time than Inu with the last chapters, and Neko didn't appear during present time so I forgot him ( poor Brook is still below though :ninja:)
Thanks. I was referring this btw.
http://https://web.archive.org/web/20190831062125/https://orojackson.com/threads/character-panel-time.32475/
I wonder if that guy is still counting.