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For me, Oda's biggest failure with Usopp is…
Downgrading the chad who got hit with freakin 4 ton bat and not even crying in pain, into a shivering child getting scared of dino headbutts...
Usopp is one of the most durable normal human in OP world! It seems like when he's gained muscle after timeskip, his durability and courageness decreased!
Ulti's headbutt is legit a million times stronger than a 4 ton bat
No one thought they'd actually make it this far
I have a few ideas. Chances are they're all off by a little as with Mingo (I was pulling for himo-himo)
ニカニカ Nika-Nika (grin-grin)
ジユウジユウ (free-free)
ジョイジョイ (joy-joy)
UranusGiven how strict the WG was about even mentioning Nika's name, I'm leaning towards that but we'll see.
Plus, I mean, how much sense does grin-grin make with all we've seen about D's and key players of carrying the Will?
Assuming it's a variation of one of these how does that factor into the abilities of the fruit?
I think at this point Sanji's supergenetics should be discarded.
Otherwise it rends the sacrifice of his mother moot.
Not necessarily.
She took that drug so her children would be able to have normal human emotions. It wasn't about the powers themselves. Sanji has his emotions in tact just as Sora intended so him awakening the powers he was supposed to have wouldn't invalidate her sacrifice.
You do a great job of presenting your point. I disagree, but I still respect how you did that while having a discussion, rather than internet tit-for-tat. A rarity and I love seeing that.
I believe that Mom's anger is no different from Luffy's anger towards Zoro in Whiskey Peak.
If I recall correctly (no, not rushing to check) that's one of the few times Luffy said he'd 'kill' someone. Even if I'm wrong, the point stands that he wanted to seriously harm Zoro. Mom's feeling is the same here. A kindness that was paid was threatened by an outside force and Mom intended to right that wrong. She saw how Ulti treated Tama and she intended to show her what for. Going by what we know from even our own heroes, that attack should have been intended to leave Ulti in traction. And if it wasn't, that's severely incompetent on Mom's part.
I would agree that the feeling isn't the same for Page-One. That felt way more like a 'get outta my way'. The Ulti attack though was loaded with feels and that should have, by all means, been intended to break every bone in her damn body.
Even if what we have to go by in the manga doesn't support that (I believe it does) then Oda failed by making it anything other than that by making Mom 'forgiving' enough for a discretion.
The debts of kindness among the Emperors are not to be taken lightly. When their own is betrayed, they should unleash hell. Anything less and they're not worthy of the title.
I wholeheartedly agree that this was a huge mistake on Oda's part and that it shouldn't have happened but now that it has I can't bring myself to treat it differently than anything else that's happened concerning characters getting up when they logically shouldn't have (assuming it happens) and the way BM's character has been already been portrayed. I think it's the best outcome with this situation. A lot of fans already dislike the character and Oda has no problems making her look incompetent or goofy if the plot demands so nothing would really change. Nami & Usopp can get their fights while BM's reputation more or less remains the same. I just think the Ancient Zoan recovery ability is an easy way to explain why they'd potentially get up faster than anyone should be able to. It's not completely satisfactory but it's a valid in-verse reason.
I don't think anyone here would argue that Big Mom necessarily intended a killing blow. She could have. And it's within her personality to have the mind to do so. (Even though she'll probably be fam one day) But the point is, she absolutely should have been aiming to do a, "Stay the FU** down!!!" attack. If she has an ounce of battle sense and her motivation to protect Tama was true, she should have made sure she hit Ulti with something she wouldn't soon be getting up from without some serious medical assistance and down time.
It's not about making her look tough/weak.
It's that it would make her appear as something far, far worse.
Incompetent.
So this is based on what you feel she should have done and not necessarily what she intended to do?
From my point of view she was simply retaliating for what was done or what she thought was done. She thought P1 might have been involved in the destruction of Okobore town she she punched him hard. She was mad that Ulti hit Tama so she repayed her for that. It wasn't to "protect" her specifically.
There wasn't anything indicating that her intentions was to make sure they stayed down for a certain amount of time so it can't be incompetent of her if they did eventually get up . At most we only have the evidence to claim her goal was to knock them out, which she did. If she truly wanted to make sure they didn't get up she would have sliced off their heads or went for the kill or something.
Page One and Ulti already had prior damage from several different sources before Big Mom finished them off. Page One for example was out of breath for chasing Nami and Usopp around and took two direct explosions seconds before Big Mom's punch.
P1 and Ulti only received superficial injuries before they were attacked by BM. They were nearly full health.
Meanwhile, the people who fought Kaido were at full strength and stamina. Oda even made a plot point of havng Sanji and Jinbe fight for Luffy to preserve his strength.
Luffy, Zoro and Kid sustained damage and exherted a good amount of energy before reaching the rooftop. Even the scabbards sustained damage before fully fighting Kaido when they fell off the building.
Still the scabbards were still beaten to a pulp by Kaido and they still got up.
Kaido directly knocked Luffy out with ragnarok and he still got up and then knocked him out again which he will get back up from.
He directly hit Zoro (Who has severely injured by Hakai) and Law with a CoC enhanced thunder bagua in his hybrid form and Zoro still wasn't knocked out and is likely to fight again and Law got back up from it and wasn't knocked out either.
I'm just trying to understand how Ulti and P1 getting back up is anymore unacceptable than the above examples and makes BM look bad when it happened to Kaido x10 with no complaints
It's likely that she isn't.
And in a way, that's one of the flavors that would leave the worst taste in my mouth because of what it says about Mom.
Can you elaborate more on how it'd reflect badly on BM? You haven't expressed this same thought with Kaido.
Kaido fought 14 different people and all off them got up and are/were still kicking but you seem to be disgusted with P1 and Ulti getting up for some reason even though ancient Zoans have been repeatedly stressed to have an incredibly fast recovery rate while the characters Kaido fought are just regular people in that department.
I don’t know, a son killing his father is kind of dark, even for One Piece
Doflamingo did it
Oda introduced Yamato as "daughter" to make it clear it wasn't a disguise, typo, Ivonokov thing, body switch with Oden or whatever else.
But since that one time, Yamato explained himself, and literally every character in the series has referred to him as "he".
EVERY character.
Even the villains.
I try to be impartial in this forum because mod reasons, because yes, the "i am Oden" thing muddies it a tiny bit, (maybe just Oda trying to ease the idea in for the audience by starting it with a gag?) but I'm really tired of trying to straddle the middle line and be polite about it.
Unless Yamato says otherwise, go with "he". Otherwise you're just being disrespectful to the character and anyone else that happens to be trans that you refuse to accept the pronouns for. It makes YOU look like an ass, more than it makes Yamato look "confused".
It's been a year, you've had time to be confused, and then time to be educated, and time to understand that not all gender norms are what YOU think they must be.
But this is what my post was talking about.
Yamato's logic is this: I am Oden –-> Oden was a man ---> Therefore I am a man
If you refuse to acknowledge her as Oden, why acknowledge her as a man? If she is not Oden then what makes her a man to you? Her entire basis for being a man was being Oden.
Not acknowledging Yamato as Oden is the most disrespectful to her identity but it's not seen as a problem? Why? How come you don't treat her as if she's Oden?
Before anybody comes at me, i'm not trying to be an "ass", i'm genuinely trying to understand.
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