I would surely like a live action Chou Chou. Maybe Buggy will be the first villain of the series instead of Albida.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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Main character beats a fat woman up. Not the best note to start a series on in this climate. :ninja:
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I wonder what your thoughts are with Oden's official intro (where he ate Oden on a crematory funeral corpse). In western Society we would call such an act "inappropriate" at least. Is this sth different in Japanese Society?
https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20191106_1087.html?l=en
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Something tells me they trying to avoid backlash if they already switched character's genders or race.
I don't see much reason to change the gender of characters, but there's a pretty good argument for incorporating different races in One Piece. For one, oda has already given us cultural and racial comparisons between his characters and our world. 2, the only design decision Oda has made concerning race is to give just about every single character the exact same skin tone. Clearly this is impossible in our world so if I were the showrunner, I would feel a lot of freedom to interpret certain character traits (design and personality even) in order to cast my characters. Or maybe I just wrote all this in the hopes of a South American Luffy.
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I don't see much reason to change the gender of characters, but there's a pretty good argument for incorporating different races in One Piece. For one, oda has already given us cultural and racial comparisons between his characters and our world. 2, the only design decision Oda has made concerning race is to give just about every single character the exact same skin tone. Clearly this is impossible in our world so if I were the showrunner, I would feel a lot of freedom to interpret certain character traits (design and personality even) in order to cast my characters. Or maybe I just wrote all this in the hopes of a South American Luffy.
Black Luffy would break the internet.
Would be fun to see based on that alone.
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With a name like Monkey, wow.
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I don't see much reason to change the gender of characters, but there's a pretty good argument for incorporating different races in One Piece. For one, oda has already given us cultural and racial comparisons between his characters and our world. 2, the only design decision Oda has made concerning race is to give just about every single character the exact same skin tone. Clearly this is impossible in our world so if I were the showrunner, I would feel a lot of freedom to interpret certain character traits (design and personality even) in order to cast my characters. Or maybe I just wrote all this in the hopes of a South American Luffy.
Earlier anime chapters, showed Luffy as light brown skinned tho, getting him more white seems to be proportional to how much more boobs Nami gets.
So, it'll be fine whatever tone the showrunners decide to use from the wide variety of colors we've seen Luffy to be. But…. Netflix is a bit special yo' know, they'll go as far as turning Usopp into a redhead big muscled guy with Russian accent with no second thoughts on it. You better keep your doubts on this project.
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Black Luffy would break the internet.
And cast John Boyega to make sure once its broken it'll never be back again
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For the first season, i'd prefer they stop at Syrup Village or Baratie arc, if it's less than 15 episodes. As long as they leave Arlong Park arc alone for the first season, that's a good thing. The weight on this guy's shoulders is ridiculous. I wouldn't want this.
We don't even have a teaser yet and most of the things talked about have been discussed at length and it's very complex. There's multiple layers that you'd have to be accurate about and even an understanding of the manga. I've already come to terms that it is an adaptation, but what narratives are left out, changed or even mixed is important.
There are people who are just concerned about the budget and CGI. With a series like OP, i'd think that those being hired to write the treatment, actually caring would be the priority. You can have the best CGI and budget possible, but if those writing the story don't care (DB Evolution writer admitted he wasn't aware), it's for naught. So far, the showrunner seems very invested.
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Honestly, I really don't think OP (or most typical shonen) is a good fit for live action. I hope I'm proven wrong, but my imagination can't surmise how it can be a worthwhile endeavor next to the manga and anime.
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Some very questionable posts I'm seeing about the casting.
It should be more than clear enough that as an adaptation, there are naturally going to be changes and differences just like with any other adaptation.
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Some very questionable posts I'm seeing about the casting.
It should be more than clear enough that as an adaptation, there are naturally going to be changes and differences just like with any other adaptation.
This isn't being made primarily for us, the fans. It's meant to introduce new people to One Piece.This, there's no reason to get upset if they use the adaptation as an opportunity to make the crew more diverse.
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Some very questionable posts I'm seeing about the casting.
It should be more than clear enough that as an adaptation, there are naturally going to be changes and differences just like with any other adaptation.
This isn't being made primarily for us, the fans. It's meant to introduce new people to One Piece.Oh god please no.
I think this is where most adaptations fail, they try to "fix" or "correct" something in the original work.I agree 100% when you say differences are unavoidable or even needed in some aspects but you gotta serve the fans first.
One Piece is the biggest manga ever. Not in terms longevity (yet :ninja:) but in sales and popularity, if you get half of the already existing fans to watch the show it's already a success.
You're always trying to expand your market and your audience but never do it by ignoring the fans you already have.Look at Marvel movies, even before Marvel Studios and the MCU, the first Spider-Man and X-Men trilogies. They were successes because they appealed to the comic book fans alot. Compare them to the Fantastic 4 movies or the Daredevil movie, they kinda work on their own, they're not masterpieces but they're not the worst hour and a half of your life, but they didn't connect to the fans as Spider-Man did.
Someone just mentioned that the DragonBall Evolution writer even apologized because he was not a fan, didn't know what were the key pieces of the series, and it showed. That movie was lame on it's own but it was dead on arrival because the fans of the original work checked the trailers, recognized barely anything, and didn't bother with it.I hope the series adaptation is on the level of the Harry Potter films.
Not a panel by panel adaptation, some plotlines cut or repurposed for time's sake, and most likely a couple of changes or dropped key elements so baffling that will piss me off for real, but at the end of the day it was made with enough love and care that it's still very much recognizable and fun.p.s. this post ended up being much bigger than the couple of lines i though I would write, it's almost a rant, but please don't think it's personal, I just ended up throwing my two cents at the conversation
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The OP show needs to be light on the rubber pirate thing, and move focus to more of a Dawsons creek on water vibe. The focus group has spoken and we need their viable 18-54 market share
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Some very questionable posts I'm seeing about the casting.
It should be more than clear enough that as an adaptation, there are naturally going to be changes and differences just like with any other adaptation.
This isn't being made primarily for us, the fans. It's meant to introduce new people to One Piece.The adaptation is going to have different stuff and that is fine. But there are some stuff that are essential that the adaptation can't really adapt and thus fail.
This diversity in terms of genders and races is a rather pointless feat if the core of the series isn't particularly adapted well. And it simply won't be.
I can't really think of an actor that can capture Luffy's childlike wonder through visuals and his "don't-give-a-shit" attitude while at the same time becoming a scary mofo when he is absolutely serious.
One Piece's greatest way of showing character is through wacky, goofy and absurd imagery, something that regardless who the director of the live-action is, cannot be recreated.
The entire adaptation relies on them nailing down Luffy which in itself could nail the adaptation since he embodies the series. And as of now, there is no indication of them getting Luffy right.
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I mean, just by putting in on Live Action you're already bringing all those who dont read manga and watch anime, which are a ton tbh.
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I strongly believe there are people working hard to protect the series while making acceptable alterations to a live format in order to preserve the drama that, ironically enough, is difficult to depict on film as opposed to paper.
Maybe he made the Chou-chou joke bc that's exactly what they're in the middle of handling.
Anything about casting seems like wild speculation at this point.
The entire adaptation relies on them nailing down Luffy which in itself could nail the adaptation since he embodies the series.
Absolutely.
Just curious what makes you think there's any indication since we haven't seen an indication to begin with?
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Eh, it's not so much of an indication as much as it's a matter of Luffy simply not working in a live-action series. I simply can't imagine an actor being able to pull off what makes Luffy….Luffy without making changes to him since even slight changes to his character could end up being a significant move that can potentially harm the series.
It's much easier to do in the form of animation or manga-panels but live-action is just something that I can't really imagine without it coming across as cringe or cheezy.
I'm not saying that the show will fail or I want it to fail. In fact, I'm pretty excited for it and that's why the way they handle Luffy's character is a very important make-or-break aspect for me.
And while I don't know just how much control Netflix has in this case, they were responsible for Death Note's adaptation where the simple easy-to-translate character like Light ended up being fucked soooooooo badly. Which is why I'm concerned about it.
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Whenever live action OP talk gets going, this site magically disappears for a day
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Welp after finally watching the rurouni kenshin live action film i feel slightly more hopeful for this project. Up til then i had never seen an even somewhat decent live action adaption of an anime show
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Some white guy. Surprise it's an adaptation of 4kids One Piece.
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Justin Chatwin for Luffy.
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My casting suggestions:
Straw Hats - all young / new / up and coming actors
Buggy the Clown - Christian Slater
Shanks - Henry Ian Cusick
"Big Mom" Charlotte Linlin - Kathy Bates
Kaido - Jason Momoa
Marshall D. Teach - Adewale Akinnouye Agbaje
Sir Crocodile - Mark Strong
Nefertari Cobra - Naveen Andrews
Akainu / Sakazuki - Daniel Dae Kim
Sengoku - Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa
Kuro - Joel de la Fuente
Morgan - Patrick Fabian
Smoker - Oscar IsaacThat's all I got; Keeping in mind that Stephen Maeda was an EP on Lost, I showed preference for Lost actors. Also keep in mind that the bigger names would be spread out across multiple seasons (Kathy Bates, Mark Strong, etc.)
I know some aren't 'spot on'; like Oscar Isaac as Smoker is a bit of a departure, but I feel like he could pull the character's personality off well. Cary Hiroyki Tagawa is probably a more direct fit for Fujitora. But I feel like a veteran actor with his type of gravitas is important for the Fleet Commander and his calm demeanor would play well against Sakazuki.
I think season 1 should cover the East Blue;
Episode 1 - Romance Dawn
Episode 2 - Treasure
Episode 3 - Buggy the Clown
Episode 4 - Lies
Episode 5 - Storm
Episode 6 - The Oath
Episode 7 - Of Maps and Fishmen
Episode 8 - Tears
Episode 9 - The Meanest Man in the East
Episode 10 - The Legend BeginsI think to create a stronger throughline for a season of TV, they could combine Nezumi, Fullbody, and Morgan into a single character; You can have a season long arc contrasting Morgan and Smoker as the dual sides of the Marines.
Episode 1 is Shell Town / Marine Base
Episodes 2 & 3 cover Buggy's story arc
Episode 4 should be a semi-standalone in Syrup Village
Episodes 5 & 6 cover Baratie
Episodes 7, 8, & 9 cover Arlong
Episode 10 covers Logue Town
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10 episodes for the whole EB Saga? What's the rush for? All the emotion for arcs where we gained nakama being done in that matter sounds like a mess.
Lets hope it gets far enough to even think BM and Kaido could get involved.
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The reality is live action shows can't run forever. Keep in mind, a live action show will have quick punctuated action set pieces. There will not be prolonged one on one fights that last multiple episodes. It's a very different medium from manga and the way the story is told has to be changed.
Live action shows have a shelf life even if they are well received.
Usopp's story could easily be covered in an hour long episode of television for example. It's a simple story.
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I've probably seen too many live action shows.
Smallville
Arrow
Birds of Prey
Lois & Clark
Ninja Turtles
Titans
Doom Patrol
Swamp Thing
GoT
Preacher
Flash
Legends
Batwoman
Daredevil
Defenders
Jessica Jones
Punisher
Luke
Iron Fist
Hulk
Tried out Gotham and Gifted, not my cup of tea
Barely survived the first episode of SupergirlRurouni's 3 films, Bleach and the Kingdom movies are the only manga/anime adaptations that i've liked really. I think Dr. Stone and Yakusoku no Neverland are way better options than OP or any other manga property
I know OP. Covering the whole EB Saga in 10 episodes is a mess. Best thing to do is end it before Arlong Park.
Your 1st episode implies Zoro/Morgans. Will Coby/Alvida be skipped over in your plan? Since you brought up Kaido and Linlin, you must be thinking long term. It's logical to bring Coby in later, but how would you go about that?
If Syrup Village is 1 episode, why is Buggy/Nami 2 episodes? Both can be done in 1 episode each if that's the case.
To make your plan believable, it would make more sense to keep Logue Town out of it. Just end it with Nami joining in AP arc. 6 episodes of introducing some of the pirate world and then you unload Fishmen on your audience? I read OP and even I would be taken aback. Imagine someone who isn't familiar at all.
Nami abandoning them, after gaining Sanji and Zoro's vow would be an ideal high note to end the season. Especially if you open the next season with trying to understand Nami's predicament and a whole new race being introduced. We have to take that into consideration.
I'm not even thinking about fights. That's the least of my worries. Just from a narrative perspective, sequencing is everything. Look how much people are distraught about not getting all of the details of Oden and Orochi's deal. Things like this matter. I disagree with the notion, but it's just an example.
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I've probably seen too many live action shows.
Smallville
Arrow
Birds of Prey
Lois & Clark
Ninja Turtles
Titans
Doom Patrol
Swamp Thing
GoT
Preacher
Flash
Legends
Batwoman
Daredevil
Defenders
Jessica Jones
Punisher
Luke
Iron Fist
Hulk
Tried out Gotham and Gifted, not my cup of tea
Barely survived the first episode of SupergirlRurouni's 3 films, Bleach and the Kingdom movies are the only manga/anime adaptations that i've liked really. I think Dr. Stone and Yakusoku no Neverland are way better options than OP or any other manga property
I know OP. Covering the whole EB Saga in 10 episodes is a mess. Best thing to do is end it before Arlong Park.
Your 1st episode implies Zoro/Morgans. Will Coby/Alvida be skipped over in your plan? Since you brought up Kaido and Linlin, you must be thinking long term. It's logical to bring Coby in later, but how would you go about that?
If Syrup Village is 1 episode, why is Buggy/Nami 2 episodes? Both can be done in 1 episode each if that's the case.
To make your plan believable, it would make more sense to keep Logue Town out of it. Just end it with Nami joining in AP arc. 6 episodes of introducing some of the pirate world and then you unload Fishmen on your audience? I read OP and even I would be taken aback. Imagine someone who isn't familiar at all.
Nami abandoning them, after gaining Sanji and Zoro's vow would be an ideal high note to end the season. Especially if you open the next season with trying to understand Nami's predicament and a whole new race being introduced. We have to take that into consideration.
I'm not even thinking about fights. That's the least of my worries. Just from a narrative perspective, sequencing is everything. Look how much people are distraught about not getting all of the details of Oden and Orochi's deal. Things like this matter. I disagree with the notion, but it's just an example.
This will 100% not be a 1:1 translation. It would be completely impossible. Not just talking about action. Even the story will shift and be condensed.
To answer a few questions, yes, I think you keep Koby and Alvida. But I think you make Koby's journey a season long sub-arc. Captain Morgan absorbs the role of Nezumi and is the shady Marine in league with Arlong. Take Koby and Helmeppo standing up to Morgan from the cover story arc and translate that to the penultimate episode of the season (the ninth episode); Thus, it is a part of the confrontation with the Arlong Pirates, bringing the B story and A story together at the end of the season. This act of bravery impresses Smoker, prompting him to introduce Koby and Helmeppo to Vice Admiral Garp in the 10th episode (season finale). I would keep Alvida because it would be bad form to cut the only prominent female pirate in the season. That said, I would just start her off thin; The whole weight loss gag wouldn't play well in live action.
Those are mostly superhero shows, which aren't a great reference I would say. Game of Thrones is the best comparison on that list. This will be a direct to streaming, 10 episode, high budget series. But I would look to other Netflix originals like Stranger Things and Lost in Space to get a frame of reference for the type of story this show needs to tell within a season. It needs to be fairly contained.
Buggy is a more important character than Kuro. Kuro is a villain of the week character. Buggy is important in the long term. Thus casting an actor like Christian Slater. Buggy's story deserves two episodes because it should be used as the segue into Luffy's backstory with Shanks. The concept of what constitutes 'treasure' in One piece is a strong theme in that arc. We're introduced to the thief who robs Pirates of their treasure, Chouchou is guarding his owner's shop, and Luffy's Hat is put in jeopardy on multiple occasions. Buggy's going to return later, so it's important to give his character more attention.
I would open the first episode on Logue Town with Roger's execution. Should be the pre-credits cold open; Jump 22 years later to Luffy out at sea, alone in a dinghy. I'd keep the general premise of Luffy rescuing Koby from Alvida, delivering him to a Marine Base, and joining up with Zoro, but the sequence of events would need to be altered from the manga. I'd also introduce Smoker and Tashigi int he first episode as a foil to Morgan. Set Morgan up as a season long villain. I would save Zoro's flashback for the confrontation with Mihawk on Baratie. I would consider introducing Arlong in the first episode; Maybe you don't see him, but you can hint at his arrangement with Morgan.
Episode 2 would introduce Nami the thief and delve into Luffy's history with Shanks.
Episode 3 would delve into Buggy's history with Shanks and depict the Orange Town confrontation
Episode 4 is Usopp's story
Episode 5 introduces Sanji, Baratie, Krieg; Mihawk vs. Zoro & Zoro's backstory; Nami ditches the crew
Episode 6 Sanji's backstory, confrontation with Krieg, set sail for Alrong Park
Episode 7 Usopp and Zoro's adventures in Cocoyashi Village
Episode 8 Nami's backstory; Ends with the gates to Arlong Park coming down
Episode 9 Confrontation with Arlong and Morgan
Episode 10 Logue Town; Departure for the Grand Line
Keep in mind, for any TV series there's usually more than just the A story. For the first season, while the Straw Hats are adventuring and Luffy is gathering his crew to set sail for the Grand Line, your B story involves Smoker, Morgan, Tashigi, Koby, & Helmeppo; C story involves Buggy meeting up with Alvida. All three storylines collide in the ninth and tenth episodes of the season. Writing for TV is very different. You have to think about each season as a sort of standalone story, which is also a part of a bigger whole. Things need to come together at the end of the season to tell a cohesive story.
Logue Town is definitely the way to end the season. People are going to wait a year - they need to be eagerly anticipating what happens next. Nami ditching the crew is a decent episode finale. It's not a good season finale. It's not Dany and a group of dragons. It's not "WE HAVE TO GO BACK KATE!" There's nothing shocking.
Game of Thrones always put the big bombastic action or the really surprising twists in the penultimate episode of the season. The finale then serves to move pieces around and set up events for the next season. That structure maps perfectly to One Piece with Arlong's defeat in the ninth episode and Logue Town in the finale. The show needs to hint at the bigger story earlier than the manga. I would introduce some of the big characters in the finale of the first season. Maybe Sengoku. Maybe Ace. Hard to say. I'm going to attempt fan scripts of the first season as a writing exercise. The point is, things will not happen in the same order as they do in the manga. I love the manga. It has been one of my favorite stories for the past 17 years. I'm also excited about the prospect of a live action series. It can NEVER replace or surpass the source material in my eyes. It has certain limitations that are not present in manga, but also some advantages. I think the key is to preserve the essence of the characters and story while understanding that things will be different in a different format.
Keep in mind, this show cannot last forever. Ending with Baratie is a glacial pace for live action. If you spend two season on the East Blue, how many do you spend on Baroque Works? Do you skip Skypiea?
Season 1 - East Blue
Season 2 - Baroque Works
Season 3 - Skypiea
Season 4 - CP9
Season 5 - Thriller Bark & Sabaody
Season 6 - Paramount War
Season 7 - Fishman Island & Punk Hazard
Season 8 - Dressrosa & Zou
Season 9 - WCI & Wano Part 1
Season 10 - Wano Part 2, Vegapunk, Elbaf
Season 11 - Blackbeard, Laugh Tale
Season 12 - Final WarObviously speculative past Wano; But trying to keep the general course of the adventure it's a struggle to get it into 12 seasons, which is the absolute limit for live action TV and fairly unprecedented for a show of this magnitude (in terms of cost and cast size). If you go any slower, it means cutting major arcs much more important than Kuro or Krieg in the grand scheme of things down the line, or simply ending the series in a completely different way. The East Blue villains are small time aside from Buggy. The story is the gathering of the crew and departure for the Grand Line. Arlong and Morgan are your primary antagonists for the season.
And like I said, the overarching story needs to happen earlier and on screen.
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This will 100% not be a 1:1 translation. It would be completely impossible. Not just talking about action. Even the story will shift and be condensed.
To answer a few questions, yes, I think you keep Koby and Alvida. But I think you make Koby's journey a season long sub-arc. Captain Morgan absorbs the role of Nezumi and is the shady Marine in league with Arlong. Take Koby and Helmeppo standing up to Morgan from the cover story arc and translate that to the penultimate episode of the season (the ninth episode); Thus, it is a part of the confrontation with the Arlong Pirates, bringing the B story and A story together at the end of the season. This act of bravery impresses Smoker, prompting him to introduce Koby and Helmeppo to Vice Admiral Garp in the 10th episode (season finale). I would keep Alvida because it would be bad form to cut the only prominent female pirate in the season. That said, I would just start her off thin; The whole weight loss gag wouldn't play well in live action.
Those are mostly superhero shows, which aren't a great reference I would say. Game of Thrones is the best comparison on that list. This will be a direct to streaming, 10 episode, high budget series. But I would look to other Netflix originals like Stranger Things and Lost in Space to get a frame of reference for the type of story this show needs to tell within a season. It needs to be fairly contained.
Buggy is a more important character than Kuro. Kuro is a villain of the week character. Buggy is important in the long term. Thus casting an actor like Christian Slater. Buggy's story deserves two episodes because it should be used as the segue into Luffy's backstory with Shanks. The concept of what constitutes 'treasure' in One piece is a strong theme in that arc. We're introduced to the thief who robs Pirates of their treasure, Chouchou is guarding his owner's shop, and Luffy's Hat is put in jeopardy on multiple occasions. Buggy's going to return later, so it's important to give his character more attention.
I would open the first episode on Logue Town with Roger's execution. Should be the pre-credits cold open; Jump 22 years later to Luffy out at sea, alone in a dinghy. I'd keep the general premise of Luffy rescuing Koby from Alvida, delivering him to a Marine Base, and joining up with Zoro, but the sequence of events would need to be altered from the manga. I'd also introduce Smoker and Tashigi int he first episode as a foil to Morgan. Set Morgan up as a season long villain. I would save Zoro's flashback for the confrontation with Mihawk on Baratie. I would consider introducing Arlong in the first episode; Maybe you don't see him, but you can hint at his arrangement with Morgan.
Episode 2 would introduce Nami the thief and delve into Luffy's history with Shanks.
Episode 3 would delve into Buggy's history with Shanks and depict the Orange Town confrontation
Episode 4 is Usopp's story
Episode 5 introduces Sanji, Baratie, Krieg; Mihawk vs. Zoro & Zoro's backstory; Nami ditches the crew
Episode 6 Sanji's backstory, confrontation with Krieg, set sail for Alrong Park
Episode 7 Usopp and Zoro's adventures in Cocoyashi Village
Episode 8 Nami's backstory; Ends with the gates to Arlong Park coming down
Episode 9 Confrontation with Arlong and Morgan
Episode 10 Logue Town; Departure for the Grand Line
Keep in mind, for any TV series there's usually more than just the A story. For the first season, while the Straw Hats are adventuring and Luffy is gathering his crew to set sail for the Grand Line, your B story involves Smoker, Morgan, Tashigi, Koby, & Helmeppo; C story involves Buggy meeting up with Alvida. All three storylines collide in the ninth and tenth episodes of the season. Writing for TV is very different. You have to think about each season as a sort of standalone story, which is also a part of a bigger whole. Things need to come together at the end of the season to tell a cohesive story.
Logue Town is definitely the way to end the season. People are going to wait a year - they need to be eagerly anticipating what happens next. Nami ditching the crew is a decent episode finale. It's not a good season finale. It's not Dany and a group of dragons. It's not "WE HAVE TO GO BACK KATE!" There's nothing shocking.
Game of Thrones always put the big bombastic action or the really surprising twists in the penultimate episode of the season. The finale then serves to move pieces around and set up events for the next season. That structure maps perfectly to One Piece with Arlong's defeat in the ninth episode and Logue Town in the finale. The show needs to hint at the bigger story earlier than the manga. I would introduce some of the big characters in the finale of the first season. Maybe Sengoku. Maybe Ace. Hard to say. I'm going to attempt fan scripts of the first season as a writing exercise. The point is, things will not happen in the same order as they do in the manga. I love the manga. It has been one of my favorite stories for the past 17 years. I'm also excited about the prospect of a live action series. It can NEVER replace or surpass the source material in my eyes. It has certain limitations that are not present in manga, but also some advantages. I think the key is to preserve the essence of the characters and story while understanding that things will be different in a different format.
Keep in mind, this show cannot last forever. Ending with Baratie is a glacial pace for live action. If you spend two season on the East Blue, how many do you spend on Baroque Works? Do you skip Skypiea?
Season 1 - East Blue
Season 2 - Baroque Works
Season 3 - Skypiea
Season 4 - CP9
Season 5 - Thriller Bark & Sabaody
Season 6 - Paramount War
Season 7 - Fishman Island & Punk Hazard
Season 8 - Dressrosa & Zou
Season 9 - WCI & Wano Part 1
Season 10 - Wano Part 2, Vegapunk, Elbaf
Season 11 - Blackbeard, Laugh Tale
Season 12 - Final WarObviously speculative past Wano; But trying to keep the general course of the adventure it's a struggle to get it into 12 seasons, which is the absolute limit for live action TV and fairly unprecedented for a show of this magnitude (in terms of cost and cast size). If you go any slower, it means cutting major arcs much more important than Kuro or Krieg in the grand scheme of things down the line, or simply ending the series in a completely different way. The East Blue villains are small time aside from Buggy. The story is the gathering of the crew and departure for the Grand Line. Arlong and Morgan are your primary antagonists for the season.
And like I said, the overarching story needs to happen earlier and on screen.
I anticipate some coalescence of characters. I don't expect a 1:1 adaptation. I was worried about where you would enter Coby. He was the first that was used to show Luffy encourages others to protect their treasure with their life. I think that is a character that Oda wants to still resonate with any new audience.
I didn't know you meant live action shows in general, thought you were referring to adaptations, my fault.
Having a cohesive story is everything. Since you've brought up amalgamations, then you'd have to be wary of time. Is the episode 42, 55 or over an hour? Characters are being switched and combined, yet narratives are still in play. 3 episodes for Alvida, Morgans and Buggy with the narratives that you've prioritized is a lot for 3 hours and that's at most.
Pacing is everything. Taking a break to do one episode of Usopp is a big risk. You were right that it's a standalone. If anything, it can be done in 3/4 an episode imo. Use the last quarter to introduce a lil bit of Baratie. I wouldn't mind cutting out the vegetable boys. I remember mentioning them on Discord some years back and some had the nerve to forget the Usopp Pirates smh
I won't get into all of your seasons, but a single season for Baroque Works sounds wild. Chopper, Little Garden, and Alabasta are what jumps out when I think of Baroque Works. Condensing that will require the work of Gods. Forget what is being left out. It all sounds cool, but watching 10 episodes cover those 3 and leave out so many emotional moments better be worth the trade off. They'd have to create whole new moments and that is even more risky.
GoT went over the hour mark more towards it's latter seasons. Stranger Things only went over the hour mark 2-3 times. I rarely see this talked about. OP is prolix series. How long each episode is really important. The treasure theme that you emphasized makes it easier to thread together. It results in cutting off the fat. Just stick to that theme. Your outline is very much possible, Just a little rushed and can result in losing impact in some moments that I know won't be cut out like Luffy giving Nami the strawhat or Zoro's vow to Luffy.
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In order to make One Piece…...One Piece and not another generic shonen 101, they have to capture Luffy perfectly.
Luffy's backstory can be a bit different but his attitude, his personality, his lack of self-reflection or monologues, his naivete, his goofiness, etc..... are all fundamental aspect of Luffy's character. If Luffy, for example, started suddenly doing deep-level thinking or started going into monologues then that's just not him regardless of the adaptation.
That's why something like Dragon Ball evolution failed. Even without talking about any other changes or the tone, the fundamental lack of understanding of the main protag completely and utterly killed that adaptation. Goku went from a naive goofy kid to being a hollywood teen # 2000.
Details can change. Scenery can change. Effects can change. But the essence has to be the same.
As for the seasons, wait for the first to come out. We don't even know how long the show will last or whether it will be renewed. While all the parties involved are optimistic, don't forget that this is a pretty ambitious project. No other long-running manga series, on the level scope of One Piece, has ever had a tv-show adaptation so we don't know exactly what can happen in regards to future seasons and what not.
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Why is the live action being discussed in this thread? Is Greg involved in it?
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Why is the live action being discussed in this thread? Is Greg involved in it?
Because Greg keeps getting asked about it here and on twitter, and his general response is to be hopeful.
Greg is not involved in the live action show as far as we know, (though they have announced that one of the guys involved is "Greg-like" in knowledge of the series) but he does have contact with OP creative staff, so he may know more than the rest of us and have reasons for that optimism outside of just being hopeful.
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Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to see just how bonkers the show will be.
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I think they could change the story very much. For example,Chopper could be there already in season 1. And maybe during the road some Strawhat could die (something that i dont see happening in the manga).
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I think they could change the story very much. For example,Chopper could be there already in season 1.
No way they do the CG intensive character in season 1. (I imagine ultimately he's going to have to be a pupet or something practical with CG tweaks. Same with Brook and Jinbe.)
And maybe during the road some Strawhat could die (something that i dont see happening in the manga).
But a strawhat DID die in the manga. Merry's death was very sad.
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Chopper as a kermit style hand puppet ftw
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Chopper as a kermit style hand puppet ftw
Well they could sure, but I was thinking more Ninja Turtles, Dinosaurs, Farscape and Dark Crystal.
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In Lost in Space the Robot is CG for a limited number of scenes, but a dude in a costume whenever it's in humanoid form.
It's telling that they couldn't even afford for Jon Snow to pet Ghost in GoT, which has a huge budget where Dire Wolves are way less complicated than a fully CG character.
I mean, a fully CG version of Chopper would be possible with a big blockbuster film budget. The best case scenario is obviously something similar to Rocket & Groot. But just impossible even on a $10 - 15 mil budget per episode.
Can Bloomberg donate $400 million to making a fully CG Chopper and Brook a realizable goal for live action One Piece?
As for Jimbei, he's close enough to human that I imagine he'll just be an actor with prosthetics. Would be cool to go full Pirates of the Caribbean CG for the other Fishmen, but it would probably only be necessary for a few of them like Hachi.
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No way they do the CG intensive character in season 1. (I imagine ultimately he's going to have to be a pupet or something practical with CG tweaks. Same with Brook and Jinbe.)
This is partially why I think they should stop before Arlong Park. Not only is it a lot to take on (even if condensed) as an arc, Fishmen in the first season is a crazy undertaking to pull off and a lot to unload on a newer audience being introduced to the pirate world. Is it just makeup or CGI Fishmen? I think makeup would be the better route
Speaking of how much a newer audience can take, I think only 4-5 DF were shown off in EB Saga. I think Oda did a good job with not doing too much in the first Saga. The matter in which other races, factions, abilities and way of life is unloaded has to be priority.
When I first seen OP, I didn't like it because I thought it was about collecting a certain amount of DF. I never saw a full episode, just some of Alabasta and Drum Kingdom arc in passing. It wasn't until 2 years later, I gave it a real shot and started from the beginning. Not saying people will receive it like that, just that delivery matters. There's context from outside of EB Saga that could possibly be hinted at. That can make or break a narrative.
I can also see some of the Fishman Island and Sabaody arc context possibly being added whenever it is chosen to take on the Arlong Park arc. Maybe some hints at the treatment of Fishman for the Arlong Pirates to be understood, but not justified. If not that, I can definitely see context from future arcs being used to back up EB Saga stories.
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Because Greg keeps getting asked about it here and on twitter, and his general response is to be hopeful.
Greg is not involved in the live action show as far as we know, (though they have announced that one of the guys involved is "Greg-like" in knowledge of the series) but he does have contact with OP creative staff, so he may know more than the rest of us and have reasons for that optimism outside of just being hopeful.
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Should the show manage to reach such a point, it only makes sense to have Chopper walk about in beast-man mode most of the time. Luckily, when he's in towns, etc, he does that most of the time anyway.
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Greg mentioning the towns reminds me that I haven't really gave thought to life on the ship. 10 episodes where they just keep going from place to place and Merry didn't enter until the end of Syrup Village. There was more of each place than on the ship life anyway in EB Saga. The casual talks on the ship didn't get that much heavier until Paradise really. I would appreciate, when they get to this point, for the ship on the sea life to not be too typical. Like if they do use the moment where Zoro and Luffy was on that first ship, the scenery of the sea looking authentic doesn't sound like too much to ask. I've seen tv shows pull it off b4
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I think both Baratie and Arlong give you the kind of big battle you want to finish your journey. With Baratie Mihawk give you the whole idea that it won't be as easy as your characters thought and a betrayal is a classic twist that keeps your people guessing. And she took the boat we waited so long to get.
Arlong is also the giant battle and it's more the conclusion of this part is over we are now a unified front ready to take on this dangerous world. And give you more a you can just watch the first season and feel kind of satisfied.
My biggest thing is that if you do the Baratie ending. Arlong Park is extremely close to the beginning of next season while Alabasta is incredibly way too far to be the ending it feels. It would be starting with a pop the audience is waiting for you to top.
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The East Blue can't drag into a second season if the show has any hope of covering the story. Kuro and Krieg are ultimately inconsequential characters. It would be sacrificing story for the really important characters to spend time on minor east blue villains. Ten hour long episodes in season one is roughly equivalent to 25 - 30 episodes of animation. Episode 25 - 30 of the anime is the end of Baratie / beginning of Arlong Park. What you're suggesting is matching the pace of the anime. This show has to move faster than the anime. It can't be a 1:1 adaptation.
Baratie is not a good thematic conclusion to the first season and doesn't really leave a hook for the second season. I think you've gotta gather the crew and send them off into the Grand Line at the end of the season. First scene of the first episode opens in Logue Town with Roger's execution and the last episode of the season wraps in Logue Town with Luffy almost executed by Buggy, escaping, and sailing off into the Grand Line with his assembled crew.
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Ending with Merry and Usopp or ending it with getting Sanji, Zoro's vow and the question of Nami as a cliffhanger sounds better than rushing to finish EB Saga.
If it ended with Syrup Village, for an audience first time getting into the Pirate world, you've now experienced antagonist that range from Pirates to Marines, gained a few charismatic nakama and a ship. it's enough examples to get acquainted with what this story is about. Individuals like Coby and Chou chou exemplify Luffy's talent to encourage others to go for their treasure and dreams, no matter how impossible it seems.
If they can stop at Baratie without fumbling any of the narratives, i'm with it.
I think of what is the most important message in each arc and how to drive that in the narrative. It's not really about copy/pasting every moment. How much story can you change and still keep that message intact?
Also, there were a lot of working parts and characters that made the Baroque Works/Alabasta Saga. It wouldn't be just Drum Kingdom and Alabasta arc. There's Reverse Mountain, Whiskey Peak and Little Garden as well. Whiskey Peak can be subsumed by Reverse Mountain or just scrapped totally. Idk if you can do the same to Reverse Mountain and Little Garden. What was the messaging in Little Garden that has to be told in Alabasta Saga? The impression left on Usopp, meeting a new race, an example of how ridiculous the islands are on the GL. It's a standalone Usopp story really. It can be told anywhere in between arcs
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Arlong arc is what gets most people hooked, it has the big emotional kick and one of the best action set pieces in the series, even to this day, its when the initial crew is fully and officially assembled. That's the only place that makes any sense to stop on, not right before it.
You gotta end the first season on that, not… Baratie? That's a weird ass place to stop. It really, REALLY doesn't need to be a 1-1 ratio with the manga, and imagining it does is only going to lead to dissapointment. Like the Kuro arc was 9 episodes in the anime and there is ZERO reason for it to be that long. If they can't trim THAT arc down to one episode, or an episode and a half, there's not much point in even trying to do the project. I like Kuro, but you don't need to have the Meowban brothers for instance and you don't need have Jango of all people be a drawn out fight until he gets beaten by children. You can have Jango, and you can have tension, but he doesn't need two episodes. ANd fighting Kuro doesn't need to be 40 minutes long either..
Similarly, the Baratie arc is 10 episodes. The flashback and Mihawk are the important parts of that. Krieg is a nothing villain and can be done in one, though Sanji's flashback warrants the space it warrants. But the anime spends FIVE episodes having Sanji fight Pearl, and then Luffy versus Krieg. You do NOT need a solid hour and a half of standing around talking at each other and doing extended combat. You can do the same in 5 or 10 minutes and still be impressive, just watch any kung fu movie, 20 minutes if you REALLY want to make it a knock down drag out fight. But you should save the long drawn out fights for big important characters, not every single one off mook.
A lot of the length of the early arcs in the series was purely giving every lead character someone to fight and then that fight lasting a couple chapters/episodes. In a condensed context, you don't need to do that as much, not everyone needs a fight every episodes, especially if the arcs are short and move on quickly. You can leave out a loooot of minion battles entirely, or reduce them to short skirmishes, to cut down arc length considerably. X doesn't need a fight in this arc if he's going to be getting a big fight just two episodes later in the next arc, after all. Spend SOME time in the locations since they're going to have to build the sets and you can't and don't want to make full unique sets for a single episode every episode, but they can't GoT it and set everything in the same three castles, so...
Cut the time there so everyone can have lengthier one on ones during Arlong, and then it works.
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I talked about Chopper because he is like the 'mascotte' of the series and its very popular for his cuteness,so they could probably like to have him from the beginning. Imagine if it becomes popular like Baby Groot or Baby Yoda. About the story,at the beginning they will try to be more similar to the manga that they can be,but,if the show is succesful,the more it will go on the more it will aquire its own identity,and it could do totally different storylines from the manga.
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the more it will go on the more it will aquire its own identity,and it could do totally different storylines from the manga.
This is true, and they'll never be able to adapt everything and there has to be cuts somewhere, but broad strokes they need to follow something resembling the flow of the series, cause its what the already existing fans will want. I can't imagine them skipping Alabasta and Crocodile for instance, but Skypeia and Long Long Ring I could. (Even though sky island is a cool thing that's a long, complicated arc that doesn't add much to the overall narrative)
Year 1-East Blue
Year 2- Logue Town, Laboon, Giants, Chopper, Alabasta
Year 3-skip or super condense SKypeia, skip Davy Back, Water 7
Year 4-Thriller Bark, Seperation?, Amazon Lilly, Impel down (Amazon Lilly gets lots of episodes because women in bikinis)
Year 5-Great War, reunion,no timeskip (aging in real time after all).
Year 6-Fishman Island, skip Punk Hazard, Dresserossa
Year 7-Zou, Big mom
Year 8-Big Mom, Wano and Kaidou
Year 9-Elbaf and Raftel
Year 10- Final warNormally I'd say "just skip Laboon" but the payoff of that random one-off event tying into Brook years later is too juicy to pass up. And hey, cute whale!
etc. etc. Even there you're looking at a crazy 10 year run which is a LOT, almost no big budget show gets a run that long, most things top out at 7 or 8 even if they're super successful.. Game of Thrones ran out of steam and everyone involved wanted to leave after 8 years and 73 episodes. Honestly an easy simple and clean cut would be to cut the Emporers and pace the warlords out a little more, or merge the roles a little bit. But while you can spend a year on Crododile at the start, you can't spend that same time on Moria or Doflamingo even if in-manga their arcs were similar lengths..
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For me, if they dive a litter deeper in the "pirate life" and keep the anime's gags and comic relief, it would be great. I would'nt want a show that sticks only to the action part of the manga and compromises the context, atmosphere, general life and character depth…. like what they did to The Witcher show.
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Year 3-skip or super condense SKypeia, skip Davy Back, Water 7
Year 4-Thriller Bark, Seperation?, Amazon Lilly, Impel down (Amazon Lilly gets lots of episodes because women in bikinis)
Year 5-Great War, reunion,no timeskip (aging in real time after all).I'd imagine year 3 you do Skypia and end it on Water seven when Robin gets taken/ betray them
I imagine Year 4 as the dark season Thriller Bark happen without Moriah(who appears at the war) where it's a fun zombie island that Moriah owns but he was called away. Then Kuma appears and do his Zoro thing. They get to the archipelago, the separation happens, I imagine either the Amazon Lilly or ID gets cut(Luffy sees it but learn Ace was already moved thanks to the warden talking to Handcock at the gate) , Luffy make it to the war and the big moment of the finale is Ace death.
You get a time skip that's just the production time ala Sherlock and the reunion is properly rewarding. And it's a fun season again with the water island and the Spanish island.
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So, if i'm reading this right, rush through the earlier arcs to make sure Arlong Park arc is captured? How many episodes on Baratie? Between Zoro's focus with Mihawk and Sanji's narrative with Zeff and the extra Krieg/Gin stuff, how much of this is trimmed to make sure Arlong Park is captured?
Realistically, all we know is 10 episodes. Most important parts of each necessary arc that would be a tragedy to skip
- Romance - Shanks passing the torch/promise (hat) to Luffy, Coby/Alvida, Zoro/Morgans - no more than an episode and a half really
- Buggy/Nami - Chou Chou/Hokka treasure, Bodura treasure, meeting Nami and the 1st other DF user - 2 1/2 episodes max
- Syrup - Kuro's arc really, intro to the professional liar - an episode at most
Highly doubt this is how it's outlined, but this takes up at least 6 episodes. Annexed an episode just in case they add their own filler moments or a whole episode of filler for whatever narrative they want to convey in their adaptation. That is very much possible and has to be considered. The anime has it's own way of telling the story and I have to consider that a live action adaptation will be more loose with it. That leaves 4 episodes to cover Baratie and Arlong Park.
Arlong Park's plot is at least 2 1/2 episodes. Any less and that is horrible. Baratie in 1 episode sounds horrible. Good luck if this is the route they decide to go with