By popular demand here is the revised 3.0 vote/discussion thread.
If you feel anyone is missing make a note of it and i can revise it.
By popular demand here is the revised 3.0 vote/discussion thread.
If you feel anyone is missing make a note of it and i can revise it.
Repost, from last thread:
also see no chance of shanks dying to Blackbeard, so cliche, rather him getting attacked by the marines and killed by akainu
both Marines and BB need to elevate themselves somehow, by defeating someone strong, so maybe akainu kills shanks
And Blackbeard defeats an admiral? Fujitora/Kizaru/Greenbull
Why is Dragon an option here? Is there anyone here who thinks he's the final villain, and if so, why would he ever be? I literally thought Shanks was more plausible than Dragon and yet, the former is gone and the latter has stayed, in a list that was heavily shortened to remove most of the awful options.
For all those saying Blackbeard, surely you mean that the confrontation with bb will be AFTER the world government collapses?
Why is Dragon an option here? Is there anyone here who thinks he's the final villain, and if so, why would he ever be? I literally thought Shanks was more plausible than Dragon and yet, the former is gone and the latter has stayed, in a list that was heavily shortened to remove most of the awful options.
Dragon is a complete unknown personality who wants to overthrow the world. By that merit he is just a smidge more likely than Luffys mentor to be a final villain. But i can absolutely add Shanks if people have an angle for him turning out to be evil
For all those saying Blackbeard, surely you mean that the confrontation with bb will be AFTER the world government collapses?
Yes, pretty much. Or he won't be the final villain.
I am presently theorizing that he and Luffy will team up some sorts and defeat WG. Then the fated battle will happen.
Yes, pretty much. Or he won't be the final villain.
I am presently theorizing that he and Luffy will team up some sorts and defeat WG. Then the fated battle will happen.
There's a couple problems with this theory.
1. Blackbeard himself could be easily a final villain material, the way he has been built up since chapter 223, but the crew behind him does not carry anywhere near the power or the vastness of the world government, and never will frankly, Cp0, 4 Admirals, Kong, and whatever they have up their sleeve will never compare to BB's 1 pirate crew.
2.Blackbeard has been around for 40 odd years, the World government for 800, BB is just someone that will came and will go with time, whereas the WG if not address I bound to stay.
3. Indirectly all of friends that luffy saved, have been subjected mainly indirectly but by the WG, sichibukai, slaves, etc.6
4. And all has been pointing at a feud between the WG and the D, since the void century
Blackbeard might be the obstacle on raftel to become Pirate King, but will carry no story value beyond that, even if the was still alive after the WG's demise, the amount of allies that Luffy will have will simply out shadow the BB pirates, counting on the Revolutionaries as well, and every nation luffy saved.
While BB IS a force to be reckoned with, his crew just doesn't. Many fans like to speculate that at some point Zoro and Sanji might face admirals, while I might agree/disagree on that idea, none of the BB crew apart from BB himself look like they might contend for a strength of an admiral, let alone surpass it.
There's a couple problems with this theory.
1. Blackbeard himself could be easily a final villain material, the way he has been built up since chapter 223, but the crew behind him does not carry anywhere near the power or the vastness of the world government, and never will frankly, Cp0, 4 Admirals, Kong, and whatever they have up their sleeve will never compare to BB's 1 pirate crew.
It need not to be. It's not like Zorro or Sanji gonna face admiral or Gorosei( I assume them pretty badass fighters in their own rights) and if they indeed take on such people, BB pirates can join the fray too.
2.Blackbeard has been around for 40 odd years, the World government for 800, BB is just someone that will came and will go with time, whereas the WG if not address I bound to stay.
Luffy is a 20 years old kid taking on the same organisation. It doesn't matter who had been for how long.Many things can happen. But the last antagonist standing is the final villain.
3. Indirectly all of friends that luffy saved, have been subjected mainly indirectly but by the WG, sichibukai, slaves, etc.6
The major pain and consequences Luffy suffered was due to BB directly. It was BB who set up the whole chain of events that made Marineford happened. Again BB destabilised Sabo and Dragon. Now if he kills Shanks then the chain will be complete, but I think he will torment Luffy in different way.
4. And all has been pointing at a feud between the WG and the D, since the void century
That's a major plot point but it is not personal to Luffy alone. He may be the one carrying all the wills of his predecessors, but there are many people who have the stake in that battle. Vivi,Shirahoushi,Momo,Riku,Iceberg to name a few. D people are only a part of the incoming war. But Luffy vs. Teach is something on a far personal level and an ideal battle between protagonist and antagonist, the good D and the bad D.
I am not saying that Imu being final villain is not possible, but I believe definitely less probable. More so because it now seems that WG are themselves hostage to that entity. It somehow negate the evil nature of WG and left only Imu, a mysterious identity(and who is going to be such for a while), being the final one to defeat. He/She may be the strongest of OP verse, but as a final villain it dilute the richness of this story. Despite being a hardcore Naruto fan, I never accepted the Kaguya plot line…..and even there the final battle was Naruto vs. Sasuke.
At this point Rocks is more a Kaguya than Imu.
I honestly feel like we're not even reading the same story.
Because Rocks is the villain Roger _didn't defeat right?
Blackbeard has been alive for 40 years; What's going on in the One Piece world started 800 years ago. The greater conflict is bigger than Blackbeard. Any Blackbeard theories rely on him being the one to topple the World Government, take the title of Pirate King, find Laugh Tale, take One Piece, etc.
None of that fits thematically with anything going on in the story.
Joy Boy and the Roger Pirates are the only ones to have landed on Laugh Tale since the end of the void century. The Void Century that the World Government is trying desperately to hide. The Celestial Dragons live as gods; the D's are the 'enemies of the gods'. They have some deep connection to the void century. I have my theory, but it's not worth going into in this topic. I'll say that the idea that they're descendants of the lost civilization seems far less likely now. Luffy and Teach are not the only two. There's also Law, Dragon, Garp; There was Rouge, Roger, Ace, and Saul;
Luffy and Teach are both D's. D's are enemies of the gods. Infighting among the D's is far less central to the main conflict than the true heir to the will of D taking up the mantle of their original forebear and rising up to challenge the world.
Joy Boy worked with the Kozuki Clan and allies around the world to leave a message for the future. The Minks foretell the coming of 'the new dawn'; That implies the world is now in a state of 'night'; Whatever bad thing that happened is still happening. The world is already under the rule of an oppressive regime.
Let me be clear, I have always considered the World Gov to be the endgame of the series. I've been saying it for like 15 years now. At this point, it's almost a willful misreading of the series to say that they're a passive entity or that they do not present any active existential threat to the characters and the world.
The 'status quo' is not a good thing in the One Piece world. It's rife with corruption. Yes, Roger fought Rocks. Rocks was _not Roger's greatest enemy. Roger defeated Rocks. He didn't defeat the World Government. We now know he didn't even try - and we know the reason why.
They were too early. Roger was dying and Shirahoshi wouldn't be born for another 10 years. They were 'too early' as Rayleigh said to Robin. The pieces were not yet in place. So Roger turned himself in, purposely chose his dying works to ignite the Great Pirate Era, to push his successor to find One Piece on Laugh Tale and finish that which he could not. And his unfinished business wasn't Rocks it was the World Government. What you're all suggesting is that Teach will inherit Roger's will and that's decidedly not going to happen. Whitebeard said as much. Whitebeard knew everything. He knew what One Piece was and he knew who the D's were. Roger told him before he turned himself in after Laugh Tale. Whitebeard knew - and he said that Teach isn't the one. Luffy's the one. He's the one who 'brings the new dawn' as the Minks according to the Mink prophecies. He's the one who will 'shoulder the burden of history';
I don't know how anyone can think Teach has any business on Laugh Tale after reading chapter 967. To even mention him in the same breath as Luffy, Roger, and Joy Boy is a terrible misreading of the series and its themes.
There's nothing meaningful in Teach taking over the world. A tyrant already controls the world. You're suggesting that the tyrant who controls the world and has controlled the world for centuries, who caused the world to become in it's current state, is less significant than a guy a little older than Luffy vying for the same goal.
The title of Pirate King is Luffy's goal, yes, but that is not his motivating desire. He wants to become Pirate King because it represents true freedom. Freedom is his desire. Becoming Pirate King is his goal. Blackbeard stands in the way of his goal, but is not diametrically opposed to his root desire. Thematically, it doesn't work. Blackbeard wants the same thing as Luffy. He's not an 'agent of chaos' as some people suggest - and even then, 'chaos vs order' is not a theme in One Piece. Luffy doesn't represent order. Luffy does whatever the hell he wants. He's a 'chaotic' protagonist, so the idea that Teach will claim One Piece or the weapons and make the world a chaotic hellscape is really out of place. Exchanging one tyrant for another at the eleventh hour doesn't work. Joy Boy left One Piece on Laugh Tale for someone else to find. The Sea Kings, the Minks, the Kozuki, the Fishmen, the Shandorans, the people of Alabasta - have all hid the message for centuries so that the right person will inherit the message and the means to achieve victory where they failed 800 years ago.
The person who finds One Piece is the person to inherit that will. Luffy and Teach are vying for the right to inherit One Piece. Roger found it, but he was too early to do anything about it. So he passed the message along. But now the pieces are coming together. Shirahoshi is born. The time is right and coming soon for someone to rise up and challenge the world, to bring the new dawn - and that person is not Teach. Teach cannot be the one to inherit One Piece.
Teach cannot 'possess' all the weapons because, from what we understand, Shirahoshi is not a weapon to be possessed. Luffy is the one who will help guide her. You're taking all of the cool things that Luffy is set up to do and giving them to Teach instead. Luffy and Blackbeard will fight before Laugh Tale - and the one who wins gets to inherit One Piece / Roger's Will / Joy Boy's Will and then use that information, the true history left on Laugh Tale 800 years ago by Joy Boy, written in the Poneglyph language created by the Kozuki Clan, to face the enemy who erased 100 years of history and has ruled this world oppressing freedom for centuries. And I imagine the symbolism of Teach's picture next to Luffy, Shirahoshi, and Vivi's is that he will be an ally after his ambition is crushed.
The 'Great Pirate Era' was a created for a purpose, and it was not to decided who gets to be the next to wear the crown that was foist upon Roger. It should be obvious at this point that the title is a bit of a fabrication. Just as Morgans used the news to create the narrative that Luffy is the 'Fifth Emperor', the world are the ones who started calling Roger the 'Pirate King', a title he never chose for himself. Luffy wants that title for a purpose; it is the means to an end, not the end unto itself. Luffy wants freedom and right now the world is living under the hoof of the Celestial Dragons. If Rocks represents anything, it is that victory at all costs is not acceptable. The manner in which victory is achieved also matters. Roger faced Rocks 14 years before he discovered Laugh Tale and learned the True History and as mentioned. Rocks was an enemy of Roger, yes, but the entity which controls the world was an enemy of not only Roger, but also Joy Boy, the one who left One Piece on Laugh Tale, and all those who protected the message for the future hero who is meant to come along and change things. That's why Rocks was doomed from the start; Why Whitebeard who allied with Rocks and knew the truth of the world, looked down on Teach and saw someone unfit to inherit that legacy. All of those things matter. To say Teach can change the world without the support and help of people around the world misunderstands the message of One Piece and invalidates the efforts of all those people over centuries. Even Roger, strong enough to defeat Rocks, was not able to take what he learned at Laugh Tale, and change the world without all the pieces in place. Because he was dying, he knew he would not have enough time to wait - and so he passed the message along and created the pirate era, knowing that the one who discovers One Piece will be that right person. Someone like him. Someone like Joy Boy. Someone who could make allies of people around the world, the only means by which effective change can ever happen. Just like Rocks, Teach is doomed to failure. He cannot change the world, but Luffy can. The era of Whitebeard? The era of Blackbeard? None of that matters. It's ;like arguing over who gets to sit on the Iron Throne while the army of the dead marches southward.
Roger ran out of time. But he knew the time window for his successor to finish the mission. Shirahoshi would be born in 10 year and take another 15 years to grow up. His allies have helped guide Luffy along. Luffy rising up to defeat the ones controlling the world will not be done alone, but with the help of allies around the world, and through the effort of many who came before him throughout history, including Roger. That's the will of D. Without that, Teach has nothing. Weapons? Gold? None of it matters. Teach doesn't have the single most important quality which will allow Luffy to change the world. And that is why Luffy will fight Blackbeard for the right to become Pirate King, inherit One Piece, and go on to challenge the ones who control the world and stand in the way of true freedom.
I apologize for any grammatical errors and / or redundancy.
Copied over from 2.0
Still not Blackbeard
To be clear, I believe it is specifically Im; The World Government is a complex body comprised of individuals with a variety of different perspectives. I believe there will inevitably be loyalists within this organization who agree with what is happening. I could speculate further about the specifics of what I think that might entail and who I think the D's might be - and perhaps I will in a later post or an update to this one. At this point, however, I wanted specifically to address why I do not think Blackbeard fits as the main villain of the series as that seems to be the predominant theory on this board.__
Blackbeard is off to another commanding lead.
He was all the way down to like 65% last poll so that is nice.
At this point Rocks is more a Kaguya than Imu.
Only if he comes back tho.
Imu is the Kaguya that lives.
Blackbeard and it's not even a question tbh
I believe Imu is going to be the final villiain, although I would like very much for Rocks to be alive and be another antagonist before Imu.
I believe Imu is going to be the final villiain, although I would like very much for Rocks to be alive and be another antagonist before Imu.
Why do you want that, curious
Everybody muses abouts the final villain when the real answer was in front of us all along.
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! > I honestly feel like we're not even reading the same story.Because Rocks is the villain Roger _didn't defeat right?
Blackbeard has been alive for 40 years; What's going on in the One Piece world started 800 years ago. The greater conflict is bigger than Blackbeard. Any Blackbeard theories rely on him being the one to topple the World Government, take the title of Pirate King, find Laugh Tale, take One Piece, etc.
None of that fits thematically with anything going on in the story.
Joy Boy and the Roger Pirates are the only ones to have landed on Laugh Tale since the end of the void century. The Void Century that the World Government is trying desperately to hide. The Celestial Dragons live as gods; the D's are the 'enemies of the gods'. They have some deep connection to the void century. I have my theory, but it's not worth going into in this topic. I'll say that the idea that they're descendants of the lost civilization seems far less likely now. Luffy and Teach are not the only two. There's also Law, Dragon, Garp; There was Rouge, Roger, Ace, and Saul;
Luffy and Teach are both D's. D's are enemies of the gods. Infighting among the D's is far less central to the main conflict than the true heir to the will of D taking up the mantle of their original forebear and rising up to challenge the world.
Joy Boy worked with the Kozuki Clan and allies around the world to leave a message for the future. The Minks foretell the coming of 'the new dawn'; That implies the world is now in a state of 'night'; Whatever bad thing that happened is still happening. The world is already under the rule of an oppressive regime.
Let me be clear, I have always considered the World Gov to be the endgame of the series. I've been saying it for like 15 years now. At this point, it's almost a willful misreading of the series to say that they're a passive entity or that they do not present any active existential threat to the characters and the world.
The 'status quo' is not a good thing in the One Piece world. It's rife with corruption. Yes, Roger fought Rocks. Rocks was _not Roger's greatest enemy. Roger defeated Rocks. He didn't defeat the World Government. We now know he didn't even try - and we know the reason why.
They were too early. Roger was dying and Shirahoshi wouldn't be born for another 10 years. They were 'too early' as Rayleigh said to Robin. The pieces were not yet in place. So Roger turned himself in, purposely chose his dying works to ignite the Great Pirate Era, to push his successor to find One Piece on Laugh Tale and finish that which he could not. And his unfinished business wasn't Rocks it was the World Government. What you're all suggesting is that Teach will inherit Roger's will and that's decidedly not going to happen. Whitebeard said as much. Whitebeard knew everything. He knew what One Piece was and he knew who the D's were. Roger told him before he turned himself in after Laugh Tale. Whitebeard knew - and he said that Teach isn't the one. Luffy's the one. He's the one who 'brings the new dawn' as the Minks according to the Mink prophecies. He's the one who will 'shoulder the burden of history';
I don't know how anyone can think Teach has any business on Laugh Tale after reading chapter 967. To even mention him in the same breath as Luffy, Roger, and Joy Boy is a terrible misreading of the series and its themes.
There's nothing meaningful in Teach taking over the world. A tyrant already controls the world. You're suggesting that the tyrant who controls the world and has controlled the world for centuries, who caused the world to become in it's current state, is less significant than a guy a little older than Luffy vying for the same goal.
The title of Pirate King is Luffy's goal, yes, but that is not his motivating desire. He wants to become Pirate King because it represents true freedom. Freedom is his desire. Becoming Pirate King is his goal. Blackbeard stands in the way of his goal, but is not diametrically opposed to his root desire. Thematically, it doesn't work. Blackbeard wants the same thing as Luffy. He's not an 'agent of chaos' as some people suggest - and even then, 'chaos vs order' is not a theme in One Piece. Luffy doesn't represent order. Luffy does whatever the hell he wants. He's a 'chaotic' protagonist, so the idea that Teach will claim One Piece or the weapons and make the world a chaotic hellscape is really out of place. Exchanging one tyrant for another at the eleventh hour doesn't work. Joy Boy left One Piece on Laugh Tale for someone else to find. The Sea Kings, the Minks, the Kozuki, the Fishmen, the Shandorans, the people of Alabasta - have all hid the message for centuries so that the right person will inherit the message and the means to achieve victory where they failed 800 years ago.
The person who finds One Piece is the person to inherit that will. Luffy and Teach are vying for the right to inherit One Piece. Roger found it, but he was too early to do anything about it. So he passed the message along. But now the pieces are coming together. Shirahoshi is born. The time is right and coming soon for someone to rise up and challenge the world, to bring the new dawn - and that person is not Teach. Teach cannot be the one to inherit One Piece.
Teach cannot 'possess' all the weapons because, from what we understand, Shirahoshi is not a weapon to be possessed. Luffy is the one who will help guide her. You're taking all of the cool things that Luffy is set up to do and giving them to Teach instead. Luffy and Blackbeard will fight before Laugh Tale - and the one who wins gets to inherit One Piece / Roger's Will / Joy Boy's Will and then use that information, the true history left on Laugh Tale 800 years ago by Joy Boy, written in the Poneglyph language created by the Kozuki Clan, to face the enemy who erased 100 years of history and has ruled this world oppressing freedom for centuries. And I imagine the symbolism of Teach's picture next to Luffy, Shirahoshi, and Vivi's is that he will be an ally after his ambition is crushed.
The 'Great Pirate Era' was a created for a purpose, and it was not to decided who gets to be the next to wear the crown that was foist upon Roger. It should be obvious at this point that the title is a bit of a fabrication. Just as Morgans used the news to create the narrative that Luffy is the 'Fifth Emperor', the world are the ones who started calling Roger the 'Pirate King', a title he never chose for himself. Luffy wants that title for a purpose; it is the means to an end, not the end unto itself. Luffy wants freedom and right now the world is living under the hoof of the Celestial Dragons. If Rocks represents anything, it is that victory at all costs is not acceptable. The manner in which victory is achieved also matters. Roger faced Rocks 14 years before he discovered Laugh Tale and learned the True History and as mentioned. Rocks was an enemy of Roger, yes, but the entity which controls the world was an enemy of not only Roger, but also Joy Boy, the one who left One Piece on Laugh Tale, and all those who protected the message for the future hero who is meant to come along and change things. That's why Rocks was doomed from the start; Why Whitebeard who allied with Rocks and knew the truth of the world, looked down on Teach and saw someone unfit to inherit that legacy. All of those things matter. To say Teach can change the world without the support and help of people around the world misunderstands the message of One Piece and invalidates the efforts of all those people over centuries. Even Roger, strong enough to defeat Rocks, was not able to take what he learned at Laugh Tale, and change the world without all the pieces in place. Because he was dying, he knew he would not have enough time to wait - and so he passed the message along and created the pirate era, knowing that the one who discovers One Piece will be that right person. Someone like him. Someone like Joy Boy. Someone who could make allies of people around the world, the only means by which effective change can ever happen. Just like Rocks, Teach is doomed to failure. He cannot change the world, but Luffy can. The era of Whitebeard? The era of Blackbeard? None of that matters. It's ;like arguing over who gets to sit on the Iron Throne while the army of the dead marches southward.
Roger ran out of time. But he knew the time window for his successor to finish the mission. Shirahoshi would be born in 10 year and take another 15 years to grow up. His allies have helped guide Luffy along. Luffy rising up to defeat the ones controlling the world will not be done alone, but with the help of allies around the world, and through the effort of many who came before him throughout history, including Roger. That's the will of D. Without that, Teach has nothing. Weapons? Gold? None of it matters. Teach doesn't have the single most important quality which will allow Luffy to change the world. And that is why Luffy will fight Blackbeard for the right to become Pirate King, inherit One Piece, and go on to challenge the ones who control the world and stand in the way of true freedom.
I apologize for any grammatical errors and / or redundancy.
Copied over from 2.0
Still not Blackbeard
To be clear, I believe it is specifically Im; The World Government is a complex body comprised of individuals with a variety of different perspectives. I believe there will inevitably be loyalists within this organization who agree with what is happening. I could speculate further about the specifics of what I think that might entail and who I think the D's might be - and perhaps I will in a later post or an update to this one. At this point, however, I wanted specifically to address why I do not think Blackbeard fits as the main villain of the series as that seems to be the predominant theory on this board.__
This is an awesome post! I used to hate Blackbeard and abjectly refused to believe he was the main villain. While I now like Blackbeard much more than I did before Im glad there are people who think the final villain is someone else!
Controversial prediction: Luffy actually never meets Imu, as Mariejois is razed by Blackbeard, in a homage to God Valley.
If we're going by definition of "final" villain, then the last stop is the entity at the top of the corrupt world government.
This whole thing is gonna boil down to a war for global freedom.
Blackbeard's gonna be the last pirate obstacle, but he's not the end game.
For all those saying Blackbeard, surely you mean that the confrontation with bb will be AFTER the world government collapses?
Yes.
16 chars of awesomeness
Why do you want that, curious
For hype, principally. I mean, wouldn't it be awesome if Luffy is able to defeat an enemy that Roger and Garp could not defeat alone?
If he were to achieve that, there would be no doubt that he has overcome Roger. (Of course, Rocks should have the same power level as when he fought Roger)
@MDL:
If we're going by definition of "final" villain, then the last stop is the entity at the top of the corrupt world government.
This whole thing is gonna boil down to a war for global freedom.Blackbeard's gonna be the last pirate obstacle, but he's not the end game.
That's like exactly the reason the WG has to go down before Teach.
Luffy wouldn't set the world into a conflict that would mean thousand dying all over the place.
Teach in the other hand would do it without second thoughts 100%
World Government/World Nobles/Im feels more like a final confrontation for revolutionaries and "good" marines and regular royalty and citizens and such. I'm surprised people are getting that as Luffy's obstacle. It's not really his primary end goal, but it'll be part of the process. And I can see Blackbeard escalating his own position during that time, taking advantage of the whole scenario and becoming a major focused threat.
Luffy wouldn't set the world into a conflict that would mean thousand dying all over the place.
Teach in the other hand would do it without second thoughts 100%
It's less about setting a conflict off by himself, and more like being embroiled in something bigger than himself whether he wants to be there or not.
Something there's no getting out of if he ever wants his ultimate freedom.
This is an awesome post! I used to hate Blackbeard and abjectly refused to believe he was the main villain. While I now like Blackbeard much more than I did before Im glad there are people who think the final villain is someone else!
Hey thanks! Glad to hear it!
Blackbeard not being the final villain is basically Carrot-is-a-SH-material-and-here-is-the-imagery-proof level of shitty theory at this point.
Almost feel sorry for the lads that are hoping to see someone random dude for the final villain rather than the literal dark version of the main protag.
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also see no chance of shanks dying to Blackbeard, so cliche, rather him getting attacked by the marines and killed by akainu
One Piece is an adventure story.
Mentor figure usually get killed in adventure stories.
Shanks and Blackbeard already have a history together with BB being responsible for giving Shanks his trademark scars.
BB already basically spelled out that he was coming after Shanks once he is stronger.
both Marines and BB need to elevate themselves somehow, by defeating someone strong, so maybe akainu kills shanks
….......So the idea above that has already been established is cliche while Shanks being used as a stepping stone for Akainu is not?
...............Wut?
@MDL:
It's less about setting a conflict off by himself, and more like being embroiled in something bigger than himself whether he wants to be there or not.
Something there's no getting out of if he ever wants his ultimate freedom.
We had more or less a similar scenario at Impel Down.
While Luffy went for Ace and destroyed whatever it got on his way.
Teach went for the lols, and to set some slaughtering at level 6.
Is the same idea, as a D, Teach is part of that big stuff as well, there's gon be a WWI if One Piece gets found, the WG dont seem to want any of that. Then again, Teach kind of does.
What exactly does Akainu or IM represent as a final villain? Black Beard is the antithesis of Luffy, the evil opposite, his dark counterpart, with his own crew of Anti-Strawhat's
Im literally just appeared in the story a year ago and we know nothing about him, it would be a total failure on Oda's part if he was the final villain, basically Kyuga from Naruto
and Akainu is clearly the bad guy of the good marines vs absolute Justice Marines, He represents absolute justice, that's no where near as compelling a final villain as the littearl evil version of the main character who's beliefs are the complete oppisite
Blackbeard not being the final villain is basically Carrot-is-a-SH-material-and-here-is-the-imagery-proof level of shitty theory at this point.
Almost feel sorry for the lads that are hoping to see someone random dude for the final villain rather than the literal dark version of the main protag.
Imu isn't a random dude. The world government has been here from day one while Blackbeard appeared over 200 chapters into the story.
The entire plot of One Piece has been building up to this. Joy boy, the poneglyphs, the ancient weapons, the will of D, the void century, the revolutionaries, Roger's story etc it's all bigger than Blackbeard and it's all connected to the WG. There's an entire prophecy that is centered around this.
The One Piece itself is connected to what Joy Boy wanted to accomplish and it has something to do with the demise of his greatest enemy, which is Imu & the WG.
Blackbeard has nothing on Imu at this point. Him being the "dark Luffy" is largely overblown.
This page alone should tell you that the WG/Imu is the big enemy and not BB
Whitebeard knows everything because Roger told him.
The great war will happen AFTER the One Piece is found. Blackbeard's only competition with Luffy is who will find One Piece first. What purpose would BB serve as an enemy after it is found? WB straight up said that BB was not the one Roger was waiting for and alluded to the WG being the reason for the war.
Imu isn't a random dude. The world government has been here from day one while Blackbeard appeared over 200 chapters into the story.
First of all, 200 chapters is just 4 years into the series that is going to end up being 30 years long give or take.
Second, Ace first mentioned him 50 chapters before that.
Blackbeard, the guy named after one of the most famous pirates in history, started playing a role in the series in year 3. Then we meet him and he's Luffy's polar opposite. And he's been gathering a crew of obvious mirror strawhats for ages.
Who is everyone going to fight in the World Government? The three admirals? And then the rest of the strawhats get what… Django and Coby?
Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.
This is a shonen series first and foremost. Big one one one fights are the driving force of the narrative at the end of the day. However big and epic in scope the overall final war is, its still going to come down to everyone getting one on one battles.
And while you could certainly name ten different marines none of them outside of Aikanu have been positioned as anything the Strawhats need to take out, and they're just a function of the WG anyway. Aikanu is an attack dog, Imu is an enigma... and Blackbeard is the guy shaking the world with two of the strongest powers at his personal disposal, an exact crew to counter the strawhats who have been growing in power alongsie the SH's,, who captured Ace and led to his death, declared that it is his era.
Watch Blackbeard Ganondorf that silly prophecy.
Him sneaking into power that WB called him unworthy of feels like a given.
That is exactly what I don't about how people read that particular scene. Like you have to absolutely try hard to ignore how Whitebeard quite literally placed "SPECIAL" signs all over Blackbeard's character by mentioning him, not any other character from D clan, in that speech.
We already know Blackbeard doesn't play fairly and can easily take the more cunning way outta that prophecy. Like how he waited for Whitebeard to be weaken in the war before showing up and taking him down.
Blackbeard is not Luffy. That is entirely the point of his character; he wins by cheating and will most likely become the pirate king by doing the same thing before being taken down by Luffy.
Well, declaring that this is your era doesn’t make it yours tbh
Obviously, Teach is currently the weakest yonkou.
He went from being unknown small pirate to being a Yonkou in the span of just 2 years lol.
Teach isn't going to become stronger in legit ways like Luffy; he will cheat his way to the top. We also know that he will eventually come for Shanks in the future so there is that.
Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.
Dude is the WG’s leader. There is no «whatever his actual role of authority is» thing
And he has pretty much been pulling the strings behind every WG moves. He is far from having achieved nothing
He hasn't, to the reader's knowledge, achieved anything yet.
Him being a string-puller is exactly why he is unlikely to be Luffy's final opponent lol.
And yes, there is a big difference between ordering someone to do your bids and actually getting your own hands dirty. Imu could very well be the type that doesn't get his hands dirty kinda like Spandam.
His role in the WG is rather irrelevant to Luffy himself.
And I think you guys need to understand the difference between a character that could potentially be important and a character that is going to be the final villain for the main protag; the final obstacle before the main character achieves his goal; one of the most climactic or THE most climactic battle in the series. That sure as hell doesn't sound like Imu to me.
Also there is already a group in the series that is actively going against the world-government led by main protag's father AND also has his older brother in it. Again, pretty obvious setup.
Y@Robby:
First of all, 200 chapters is just 4 years into the series that is going to end up being 30 years long give or take.
Second, Ace first mentioned him 50 chapters before that.
That's completely irrelevant to the overall point.
Blackbeard, the guy named after one of the most famous pirates in history, started playing a role in the series in year 3. Then we meet him and he's Luffy's polar opposite. And he's been gathering a crew of obvious mirror strawhats for ages.
None of this changes the fact that the story at large is about Joy boy & the WG. Him being Luffy's polar opposite isn't true since they share some off the same beliefs. How is his crew an obvious mirror of the SH's and why would that make them the final villans?
Who is everyone going to fight in the World Government? The three admirals? And then the rest of the strawhats get what… Django and Coby?
Why does this boil down to SH match ups? This is far bigger than that. The WG consists of many powerful individuals so idk why Jango & Koby were the first to pop up in your mind.
Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.
You can't really call him random when he was being built up for ages. To say hasn't done anything yet isn't completely true. If he truly was the enemy of the ancient kingdom and the one who established the WG he's done more than enough already. There's also the "great cleansing" and the fact that he set his sights on Vivi (might haved acted on this already), Luffy, Shirahoshi & Blackbeard.
This is a shonen series first and foremost. Big one one one fights are the driving force of the narrative at the end of the day. However big and epic in scope the overall final war is, its still going to come down to everyone getting one on one battles.
Again, this is bigger than match ups. Since there will be a war, everyone will get a fight one way or another. Why does it have to end with BB's crew?
You bring up this being a shonen series at a point in your favor as the reason why BB is the final villan, but a lot off times in Shonen, the Final villan isn't someone who's been around the longest. Dragon ball, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, Black clover, Fairy Tail etc..
And while you could certainly name ten different marines none of them outside of Aikanu have been positioned as anything the Strawhats need to take out, and they're just a function of the WG anyway. Aikanu is an attack dog, Imu is an enigma… and Blackbeard is the guy shaking the world with two of the strongest powers at his personal disposal, an exact crew to counter the strawhats who have been growing in power alongsie the SH's,, who captured Ace and led to his death, declared that it is his era.
BB is considered the least threatening of the Yonko since his bounty is far lower than theirs. No one thinks that this Blackbeard's era besides him. Being the reason Ace was captured is not enough to build tension for the FV. He and Luffy have no dark history outside of that.
Why do you make it seem like the argument here is that the SH's won't face the BB pirates? They will, but they don't have to be the final villans for them to do that. As of right now, BB has no purpose to the greater story of One Piece.
Whitebeard basically straight up said that the WG will be the enemies in the final war. Why ignore that?
Daily reminder that One Piece has only one-plot and WG, void-century, Will of D etc… tie into it.
To even suggest that Blackbeard isn't relevant or has no purpose to the actual story of One Piece is basically laughable.
BB is considered the least threatening of the Yonko since his bounty is far lower than theirs
Whitebeard basically straight up said that the WG will be the enemies in the final war
Yep, the WG is going to be one of the enemy groups. The other being Blackbeard.
You people are the only ones who seem to think that the Blackbeard theory relies on Blackbeard being the only enemy in the final war or that WG wouldn't play a part. They will and they will be defeated and then the fight will be between Luffy and Blackbeard.
You guys ought to go back and read the previous discussions. These points have been already rendered useless.
His role in the WG is rather irrelevant to Luffy himself.
No it isn't. As Whitebeard, Roger, and the Fishman said, there will be someone (Luffy) who will inhert Joy boy's will and will challenge the world.And I think you guys need to understand the difference between a character that could potentially be important and a character that is going to be the final villain for the main protag; the final obstacle before the main character achieves his goal; one of the most climactic or THE most climactic battle in the series. That sure as hell doesn't sound like Imu to me.
Blackbeard's goal is the one piece. It's been pointed out that the series will continue after it's found. Luffy cares about freedom before all. Blackbeard isn't threatening Luffy's freedom, but Imu/the WG are.
@HeartOfDarkness:Yep, the WG is going to be one of the enemy groups. The other being Blackbeard.
What do you mean? The WG itself will be the cause of the war. Have you not been keeping up with the latest chapters?They will and they will be defeated and then the fight will be between Luffy and Blackbeard.
Over what exactly? And if Luffy can defeat the WG at that point then what threat is blackbeard?
Imu
•Is a slacker
•Takes naps
•Plays with butterflies
Teach
•Works hard
•Never sleeps
•Doesn't like butterflies at all
Yup, its Teach.
As Whitebeard, Roger, and the Fishman said, there will be someone (Luffy) who will inhert Joy boy's will and will challenge the world.
Yes.
People hope that the right person (someone representing the good side of D clan aka Luffy) will inherit the Will. So what happens when Blackbeard, representing the evil side of D, decides to be the one who carries on the will in a different method. Like taking down the current order with chaos-based order.
Like say, Luffy representing freedom and Blackbeard representing chaos.
Blackbeard's goal is the one piece.
Will of D says hi.
You can't really call him random when he was being built up for ages.
I couldn't help but zoom in on this. Could you elaborate on how you feel Imu has been foreshadowed and built up? Because to me the main issue i have with him is that he came from nowhere with no build up. Just curious about your read
Pretty sure he is talking about Imu representing WG.
Or I hope he isn't referring to the Akainu and the Gorosei scene with the whole "who gave you, your orders?".
I mean, when you see how the Gorosei, Imu the whole stucture of the Marines, all sistematically trying to shut down anyone who could reveal the void century.
And Newgate literally saying 'yall just affraid kiddos'
Then yes, the perspective of the WG burning down in the middle of Luffy and Teach's brawl is super valid.
Also there's that treasure of Mariejois that might call Teach's attention and would confirm that they're going down first.
I couldn't help but zoom in on this. Could you elaborate on how you feel Imu has been foreshadowed and built up? Because to me the main issue i have with him is that he came from nowhere with no build up. Just curious about your read
I'm referring to the storyline at large.
The void century plot line has been going on for the longest and that has contributed to the forshadowing imu's existence. This is something Oda has been planning from the beginning. What the One Piece is, the D name, Laugh Tale, the fact that the WG tried to hide these things,it's all connected to this storyline and Oda has always maintained that he hasn't changed anything about what these encompass.
One Piece was never meant to be anywhere near its current length so I believe that the only reason Imu appeared so far into the series and it seemed like he was an asspull is because of Oda's habit of adding in things that weren't in the original draft which delayed the core story and I don't think a lot of people take that into account. Perhaps he could have dropped more hints, but I still don't think he came out of nowhere.
In chapter 395 Clover pointed out that the people who left behind the poneglyphs had an "enemy" and this enemy survived through subsequent history and might have birthed the WG. I believe this was the first hint we've had at the existence of Imu.
The second thing that might have been a hint at Imu's existence is Doflamingo saying that there was a national treasure in mary geoise that would shake the world if they knew it existed, could give him true power that only the personality transplant could have helped him with it. When Doflamingo brings up the national treasure again, the scene pans to Imu.
also see no chance of shanks dying to Blackbeard, so cliche, rather him getting attacked by the marines and killed by akainu
Cliches are cliches for a reason though
I could see it going either way
both Marines and BB need to elevate themselves somehow, by defeating someone strong,
I don't really see how Blackbeard needs elevated tbh
He has two of the strongest DFs in existence
Even before gaining the second of the two he was already capable of defeating Ace and scarring Shanks
I don't see why we necessarily need anything else on top of that
so maybe akainu kills shanks
Akainu adding to his body count isn't going to help elevate the marines
He's already the most intimidating and powerful force the marines have
It's the other 99% of the marines outside the top brass that need elevated at this point
Teach
•Works hard
•Never sleeps
•Doesn't like butterflies at all
Yup, its Teach.
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can you provide source?
I don't see BB kill shanks because he doesn't have a df and so far they only killed df users to steal their power.
Unless shanks was a secret df user all along.
Obviously, the WG doesn't want anyone to find One Piece, so both Luffy and BB are enemies to them.
Blackbeard aims for One Piece, and we still don't know if he's after the title or is he after the truth, maybe he knows there is a hidden truth. What if he finds One Piece after Luffy, and decides to act differently?
Luffy wants freedom, BB is opposite to Luffy, WG is probably fucked either way and hates both.
So the final villain will not be one, but multiple ones, and these villains are enemies of each others too at the same time.
Three-way war was always my hope.
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Three-way war was always my hope.