Chapter 929: Shogun of Wano, Kurozumi Orochi
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I don't want to legitimate any of the whining going on about "content not available in my country" because, god, cringy… but wouldn't be in our best interest avoid this every week and just add the scanlation links to the thread as well? We would still make the thread only when the VIZ chapter is out, but this would save some annoyance.
Unless the forum doesn't want to give any sort of official support to unofficial releases, in which case we could go a more roundabount way and have the first post:
"Countries covered by VIZ: LINK TO THE CHAPTER
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I don't want to legitimate any of the whining going on about "content not available in my country" because, god, cringy…
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Unless the forum doesn't want to give any sort of official support to unofficial releases…
Do I know what Viz is? No
Do I care for Viz? No
Is viz the owner of this forum? I want to know the answer for this.I will do as Blue-san said, I am sticking to spoilers thread because I am a peasant.
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Scanlation comes out, discuss it freely in the spoiler thread. Viz chapter comes out discussion moves to official chapter thread. WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
Get outta here, man. You don't have any clue about anything we just discussed, for example, that it's the same thread for a wobbly scan of one page or the whole HD scanlation. And that one can't easily see at which point in time we are by reading the thread -for example last week, the scanlation was out, but not linked to on the starting page of the spoiler thread. This is just one example of inconvenience. As you do not know when the full scan came out when reading the thread. I mean, you do realize that there are people coming here and reading the 15 pages of a thread at once instead of reading the thread 3 times a day and watching it grow, right?
And as you seem to like to ask rhetorical questions in bold caps, this one is purely for you: IS YOUR READING PROFICIENCY REALLY THAT LOW TO NOT GET THAT? Do you really lack the basic empathic capabilities to understand what the problem is for some people like me, but also quite a few others from what I can tell by shifting through the pages? Well alright, you stated your view on the matter in that it should stay as it is right now; to go even further, you deny the possibility of us even having an argument to begin with. Again, I don't really think you grasped the concept of what the problem actually is - but that is your right, shouting an opinion without understanding the subject matter. Just for you, knowing full well that all it will bring me is flaming and misery, I'll repeat my two main points again: convenience and traceability.
Germans, man, and their inability to comprehend that different people might have different experiences than themselves or to allow people different opinions based on different principles - and I can say that as I'm one myself.
building Theme Parks with Blackjack and Hookers since 2002 - still forgetting the Blackjack.
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I came here since Enies Lobby to read One Piece, and now I cannot do that anymore? Kudos. I take my buisness elsewhere.
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You know, I dislike the fact Viz isn't accessible here in Mediteranean, but don't really see it as much of an issue. In my opinion AP did the best possible thing considering it all. Just get over it.
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That guy hadn't posted in 9 years lmao. I guess that goes to show how many people have relied on this site to alert them to scan releases without ever posting. If guys don't and never have read the spoiler section and have always waited for the main chapter section to release, I wonder if there's an in-the-middle solution.
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Do I know what Viz is? No
Do I care for Viz? No
Is viz the owner of this forum? I want to know the answer for this.I will do as Blue-san said, I am sticking to spoilers thread because I am a peasant.
It is not about following VIZ, it is about following the official release. It just happens that VIZ is the owner of the manga in some countries and it allow people to read the chapter for free on its release date, so its link is posted. If Panini did the same, its link would be there.
Until now VIZ didn't allowed free access to chapters, so the forum followed leaks that made the chapter available online days before its actual release (some times more than a week as in this chapter case). Now that it is possible to access the content properly and legally, the forum decided it was about time to follow the actual release of the manga instead of basing the schedule on early leaks.
I mean, this is just common sense. Be with movies, series or whatever, forums and groups only start actually discussing it when it is officially released and if they are leaked early people who want to discuss it must do on spoiler sections and not on the "real discussions". I discuss series every week on other platforms and this is just the regular behavior absolutely everywhere! It just happens manga readers are spoiled beyond redemption and somehow they started acting as if they are being denied a natural right and being personally offended simply because the forum changed its schedule to do it right - but the early discussion of the chapter is still going on, be it based on early spoilers or scanlations, on the Spoiler section (which, I think, should be open to non-users as well with this new schedule, since as it stands now you need to be logged in to access it).
Nobody is saying you need to read the VIZ version. Just saying the discussion thread will only start once the chapter is released (released, not leaked).
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Me personally. It just makes it hard to keep up with discussions. As well that, not everyone goes to spoiler sections and then once chapter is out, discussion starts but the Viz comes out and discussion moves to normal thread. However, some of the members that did not go to spoiler did not participate in discussions therefore might be a little lost into the debate and/or since they didn't access spoiler page, they could have contributed to the debate there but could not because, well, they simply do not do spoiler sections.
On the Viz comparisons, I actually enjoy them. Usually I see people making moronic statements just based on the scanlations and I have to correct them once Viz is out and they think I'M THE ONE THAT'S WRONG. So having them separated like that is neat-o! Especially if you put that much effort into it. I respect the effort and time you dedicate to that!
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I am sorry I am not much of a complainer but this new " lets always wait for viz to release the chapter thing" was okay until I realized that opening the link on first page it says I cant see because the content is not available in my location, I am brazilian. That just sounds a discrimination to me.
Cant visit the sites where you usually read the chapters without a link?
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How about we have 1 thread only and we move it from spoiler section to the main section when official release drops.
Having 2 threads splits the discussion on the same chapter which is annoying
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I think it would be easier if we just allowed two seperate threads in the spoiler section.
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One for the really early leaks, called [Spoilers 9xx]
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and another when the scans release [Scans 9xx]
That way the moderators don't have to be on their toes 24/7 to quickly add the [+ scans] tag to the spoiler thread title, since anyone can just open a new thread when the scans are out.
And once the Viz version is out you can just add a link to the [Scans 9xx]-thread in the first post.
People won't have to frequently check one big thread for updates, it's less time-sensitive work for mods and the official release is still privileged in the official manga section.
The only inconvenience would be that Non-Viz users have to click 2 links instead of 1.Having 2 threads splits the discussion on the same chapter which is annoying
You could also merge the content of the [scans 9xx] thread with the official Viz thread at any time. That's not a very time-sensitive work (as opposed to people legitimately being confused by spoiler and scan discussions in the same thread).
I really believe that this is the biggest issue at the moment, that people don't know when spoilers are discussed and when the scans are out. This kind of info has to be on point, not one or two days later. -
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Is it that hard to type Mangastream or Jamini on google?
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Is it that hard to type Mangastream or Jamini on google?
Choosing the path of least resistance is only human, I wouldn't blame anyone. Certainly not those who only frequent Arlong Park for info first (and discussion second).
So at the very least we should let people know that the chapters are up on Stream or Jaiminis in the first post, if we don't want to provide a direct link for whatever reason.
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Get outta here, man. You don't have any clue about anything we just discussed, for example, that it's the same thread for a wobbly scan of one page or the whole HD scanlation. And that one can't easily see at which point in time we are by reading the thread -for example last week, the scanlation was out, but not linked to on the starting page of the spoiler thread. This is just one example of inconvenience. As you do not know when the full scan came out when reading the thread. I mean, you do realize that there are people coming here and reading the 15 pages of a thread at once instead of reading the thread 3 times a day and watching it grow, right?
.in other forums there is only one thread for spoiler and chapter discussion. You know the chapter is out when the thread title is changed. Here it is the same, the title is changed when the scan is out. So i think you have your information unless I miss something
Maybe the mod who changes the thread could also add a link to the post the scan discussion starts since people seems to like links :-)
As for the official thread I agree that a warning should be added to the Viz link. I disagree with a link toward the applications stores since it is useless unless you use illegal issues which contradicts the purpose of the thread.
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I don't get it? Is this Forum offically collaborating with VIZ?(not trolling serious question). I'm a little out of the loop, don't know what's happening. I was a paid member for Viz for 2 years, and I never actually used it. For some reason sites like Mangastream and Jamini applied more to me, so went there.. probably the layout.. either way, I come here to read the one piece theories and spoilers mainly.. I haven't been really active with apforums for a long time now so I don't really have a say on what should happened but just don't make something easy and works into something hard and difficult is all I'm saying.
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I don't get it? Is this Forum offically collaborating with VIZ?(not trolling serious question). I'm a little out of the loop, don't know what's happening. I was a paid member for Viz for 2 years, and I never actually used it. For some reason sites like Mangastream and Jamini applied more to me, so went there.. probably the layout.. either way, I come here to read the one piece theories and spoilers mainly.. I haven't been really active with apforums for a long time now so I don't really have a say on what should happened but just don't make something easy and works into something hard and difficult is all I'm saying.
It's something it was decided.
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exactly one more week!!!
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The chapter discussion is so fragmented that I don't bother visiting AP anymore unless to check if the spoilers came out.
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Yeah, I know. I was weak enough to read the spoilers, but I still managed to avoid the scanslations and discussion this time.
Anyway, lots of tiny information, but none of it was particularly standout aside from Orochi's introduction. Although I thought Yasu and Franky were pretty funny.
I'm surprised Hawkins isn't one of the Tobi Roppo. I'd assumed all of the Worst Gen would be the strongest members of Kaidou's crew besides the All-Stars/Calamities.
and yet people want to get on my case for saying very little happened this chapter and thus I call it "filler"…sigh....
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and yet people want to get on my case for saying very little happened this chapter and thus I call it "filler"…sigh....
Because you don't seem to know what that word means lol, it's perfectly fine if you didn't care for the chapter.
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So no more chapters this month, and maybe two chapters in february.
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So no more chapters this month, and maybe two chapters in february.
Check out this schedule thread: One Piece Schedules
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and yet people want to get on my case for saying very little happened this chapter and thus I call it "filler"…sigh....
Tiny bits of info =/= Filler;
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The whole CP0 fuss is probably the biggest reveal this chapter has in terms of effect on the later story. The World Government (more likely) the Marines have now a not-so-low-chance of interfering in this arc.
Wano and Reverie seem to be geographically and symbolically much apart (Wano is isolated with few foreigners, while literally almost the whole world is meeting at the Reverie), but they will influence events in one another significantly.
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
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Once luffy beats kaidou and he will have wano under him( with momo and co leading it) he will have control over seastone country. Will WG try to reach him to negotiate like they are doing now with shogun?
Law team and drake team are in flower capital. Since the samurai with scythe is there too, he could show up to help law and co and make it 3vs3 battle.
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He'd probably say "Go ask Momo"
But would Momo want to supply Luffy's enemies with seastone and maybe the craftsmen that can make small seastone stuff?
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@uniaka:
Once luffy beats kaidou and he will have wano under him( with momo and co leading it) he will have control over seastone country. Will WG try to reach him to negotiate like they are doing now with shogun?
He'd probably say "Go ask Momo"
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The whole CP0 fuss is probably the biggest reveal this chapter has in terms of effect on the later story. The World Government (more likely) the Marines have now a not-so-low-chance of interfering in this arc.
Wano and Reverie seem to be geographically and symbolically much apart (Wano is isolated with few foreigners, while literally almost the whole world is meeting at the Reverie), but they will influence events in one another significantly.
Hard to believe they didn't send anyone with enforcer-level skill like Lucchi or something to be in bodyguard capacity. I know Lucchi's at Reverie but there's a whole team of former CP9 thugs they could use. Even if they were negotiating with the Shogun, the fact that the country is occupied by Kaido who obviously gets drunk frequently and can shoot castle-exploding beams would make it pretty important for guys who, if they're no more capable than Spandam, ought to have a strong elite escort with them. Even if they're trying to be discrete, having one or two more guys in masks ain't gonna matter much. The incompetence of Marine agents never ceases to baffle me.
But this timing seems to work out quite nicely. I had actually remarked on this early in Wano, given that we got a glimpse of the Revolutionaries at Reverie right before. Given all the chaos that's bound to happen there, the Marines will already have their hands full, so if they're going to interfere in Wano at all, it'll likely be very small scale and probably nowhere near their top tier; although, given Fujitora's status as a persona non grata, maybe his ship will be the one that arrives there since they don't want him at any Marine bases after his actions in Dressrosa. It would be nice to actually see him going all-out so we know where he stacks up compared to the other admirals.
What I'd like to see is, regardless of how things turn out in the end, yet another nation thumbing their noses at the Marines and casting their allegiance to the Straw Hats. So far Zou and Wano would be the best nations to have fighting for them in the next big conflict, even more so than Amazon Lily as a distant 3rd. Just something to really hit Fujitora in his heart of hearts and get him to finally say, you know what, screw this, they're right, the Marines ain't gonna do the right thing and I don't belong in an organization that bad. So him, Smoker, Coby, and whatever portion of the Marines decide that justice isn't just whatever's being fed to them, become a rebel outfit and decide that in the end, they take the side of the Straw Hats and Revolutionaries and become the new heads of the Marines when the dust settles.
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Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.
And by probably i mean definitely
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Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.
And by probably i mean definitely
Didn't that special pass for movie Gold reveal that Lucci is the commander in chief of CP0?
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Lucci probably is less capable than the main three CP0 dudes.
And by probably i mean definitely
How do you figure? He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd either let himself get shot in the head (at least not by surprise) or if he did, he'd intimidate whoever shot him by showing that it didn't hurt or even rattle him one iota. These guys got all shaken up to hell both by the request for Vegapunk and Orochi's explosive reaction to their refusal. The rest of these CP0 head honchos seem analogous to CP9's Spandam while Lucchi and that one chick from the Big Mom wedding arc seem like the actual CP9 agents in terms of prowess. I could be wrong but they give no indication that they're anything special. We obviously have precedence where a team leader is pathetic compared to their underlings with CP9 so it stands to reason CP0 would operate similarly. The guys with the masks appear pathetic while the Big Mom event infiltrator and Lucchi are (relatively speaking) capable agents. The mask dudes don't give off any indication of hiding anything worth speaking of; they still could but they're doing a good job keeping it under wraps. I'm just of the mind that if they were worth a damn they'd have had the haki to see that shot coming and either avoided it or used haki to block it. They're acting like a bunch of Celestial Dragons themselves, with the way they handle some uncouth ruffian dissing them. Makes sense given they serve directly beneath them. But even Spandam wasn't dumb enough to go anywhere without bodyguards. These guys are even stupider than Spandam; let that sink in.
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How do you figure? He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd either let himself get shot in the head (at least not by surprise) or if he did, he'd intimidate whoever shot him by showing that it didn't hurt or even rattle him one iota. These guys got all shaken up to hell both by the request for Vegapunk and Orochi's explosive reaction to their refusal. The rest of these CP0 head honchos seem analogous to CP9's Spandam while Lucchi and that one chick from the Big Mom wedding arc seem like the actual CP9 agents in terms of prowess. I could be wrong but they give no indication that they're anything special. We obviously have precedence where a team leader is pathetic compared to their underlings with CP9 so it stands to reason CP0 would operate similarly. The guys with the masks appear pathetic while the Big Mom event infiltrator and Lucchi are (relatively speaking) capable agents. The mask dudes don't give off any indication of hiding anything worth speaking of; they still could but they're doing a good job keeping it under wraps. I'm just of the mind that if they were worth a damn they'd have had the haki to see that shot coming and either avoided it or used haki to block it. They're acting like a bunch of Celestial Dragons themselves, with the way they handle some uncouth ruffian dissing them. Makes sense given they serve directly beneath them. But even Spandam wasn't dumb enough to go anywhere without bodyguards. These guys are even stupider than Spandam; let that sink in.
There is nothing to remotely support this claim that those 3 do not have high combat abilities. That guy got shot and it didn't affect him in the slightest - they are the strongest intelligence organization in the world, we've seen those 3 a few times now - other than Spandam who's a joke….rest of them must be high level combatants.
And they'd be pretty dumb no matter how strong they are to pick a fight in the palace of the Shogun of Wano, who has a whole army of powerful samurai and the full might of 1 of the Emperor's backing him.
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There is nothing to remotely support this claim that those 3 do not have high combat abilities. That guy got shot and it didn't affect him in the slightest - they are the strongest intelligence organization in the world, we've seen those 3 a few times now - other than Spandam who's a joke….rest of them must be high level combatants.
And they'd be pretty dumb no matter how strong they are to pick a fight in the palace of the Shogun of Wano, who has a whole army of powerful samurai and the full might of 1 of the Emperor's backing him.
A normal gun (not one of Big Mom's high-powered ones) shot them in a thick face mask, and scared the shit out of them; getting shot in a bulletproof vest doesn't mean you know Tekkai. At best their observation haki is absolutely piss-poor. Unless we actually see them DO something there's no reason to think they're anything other than non-combatants. If they were really up to snuff they'd have all Geppou'd into the air to put as much distance from the crazy shogun as they could. Their entire demeanor is not that of shrewd negotiation so they're apparently not good at that either. They don't have to fight their way out if they can Soru and Geppou so the bare minimum for being on, say, Kalifa's level seems beyond their reach or, like I've been saying, they're just too stupid to figure out what they should actually do if they're actually capable. I get if Oda's trying to hold back so he can save showing them actually, you know, doing something interesting for the best possible moment, but this repeated teasing and showing them to be so seemingly pathetic is counter-intuitive. I'd expect someone stoic like Vergo to be the demeanor of a CP0 agent, whether they're one of these guys or…let me just go look up her name real quick...Stussy! That's it. I kept wanting to call her Stelly but then I knew that was another character's name. Both her and Lucchi fit the bill when they're not undercover. Again, a gunshot getting past their observation haki is already a bad enough sign, but them getting so rattled is not what you'd expect from someone who would be likely to have proficiency in Tekkai or any of the helpful for dodging Rokushiki moves. If they're putting on an act it's a hell of an act and at this point I'm getting seriously sick of fake-outs in this series.
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A normal gun (not one of Big Mom's high-powered ones) shot them in a thick face mask, and scared the shit out of them
Why are you making stuff up? They didn't react to it at all.
getting shot in a bulletproof vest doesn't mean you know Tekkai. At best their observation haki is absolutely piss-poor. Unless we actually see them DO something there's no reason to think they're anything other than non-combatants. If they were really up to snuff they'd have all Geppou'd into the air to put as much distance from the crazy shogun as they could. Their entire demeanor is not that of shrewd negotiation so they're apparently not good at that either. They don't have to fight their way out if they can Soru and Geppou so the bare minimum for being on, say, Kalifa's level seems beyond their reach or, like I've been saying, they're just too stupid to figure out what they should actually do if they're actually capable. I get if Oda's trying to hold back so he can save showing them actually, you know, doing something interesting for the best possible moment, but this repeated teasing and showing them to be so seemingly pathetic is counter-intuitive. I'd expect someone stoic like Vergo to be the demeanor of a CP0 agent, whether they're one of these guys or…let me just go look up her name real quick...Stussy! That's it. I kept wanting to call her Stelly but then I knew that was another character's name. Both her and Lucchi fit the bill when they're not undercover. Again, a gunshot getting past their observation haki is already a bad enough sign, but them getting so rattled is not what you'd expect from someone who would be likely to have proficiency in Tekkai or any of the helpful for dodging Rokushiki moves. If they're putting on an act it's a hell of an act and at this point I'm getting seriously sick of fake-outs in this series.
Not only does this take completely ignore the context of the situation CP0 is in (they're not going to fight the Shogun when they want to make a deal with him, jesus), but now you weirdly assume that they're all non-combatants, despite us knowing since Dressrosa that they are flatout stated to be stronger than CP9. Also Rob Lucci, Kaku, and Stussy's feats make this clearly contradict this assumption.
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@uniaka:
Didn't that special pass for movie Gold reveal that Lucci is the commander in chief of CP0?
While not having seen said film i feel comfortable in saying that there is no possible scenario where Rob Lucci immedietly took the lead of and now rules CP0. Story progression dictates that he is less of a threat than the lead actors of the strongest cipher pol in the world, Lucci should resonably be a big fish in a little pond in comparison. Well maybe a huge fish but still the ocean should be vaster
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IMHO the dude who spoke with Doffy right after the war could be the spandam-esque leader of the CP0.
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Even if i am totally at fault for it, it is starting to feel like Spandam is the most overused word at the moment.
Aaand it really shouldn't be used on anybody but Oro-dude. Don't oversaturate it people
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While not having seen said film i feel comfortable in saying that there is no possible scenario where Rob Lucci immedietly took the lead of and now rules CP0. Story progression dictates that he is less of a threat than the lead actors of the strongest cipher pol in the world, Lucci should resonably be a big fish in a little pond in comparison. Well maybe a huge fish but still the ocean should be vaster
He had 2 years time to rank up, and CP0 doesn't look to be some strength based organization based on what they do, they still have to count on marines. Also had that CP9 experience that maybe counted too for him to rank up fast. And so far we saw few members, could be easy to get up there.
And if based on that fight with sabo, it looks like lucci got really strong to put up a fight with him, knowing what sabo did to Burgess and vice admiral in dressrosa, or his draw with admiral.
The new admirals got so high in the marines in just 2 years, something the other marines for decades didn't manage to. And if Oda himself worked on this movie, it's even more likely to be true.
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@uniaka:
He had 2 years time to rank up, and CP0 doesn't look to be some strength based organization based on what they do
Their job description says in exact words that they are the strongest group of agents in their field.
they still have to count on marines.
Whatever gave you this idea?
Also had that CP9 experience that maybe counted too for him to rank up fast.
I have no doubt that he's been bumped up quite a bit.
But he has no shot in hell of being the ace in the hole for this group.
And so far we saw few members, could be easy to get up there.
Yes surely it's easy to become the head bodyguard to the literally richest and most powerful people in the world.
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Their job description says in exact words that they are the strongest group of agents in their field.
Whatever gave you this idea?
I have no doubt that he's been bumped up quite a bit.
But he has no shot in hell of being the ace in the hole for this group.
Yes surely it's easy to become the head bodyguard to the literally richest and most powerful people in the world.Like when luffy punched Carlos CD, they send admiral, not cp0 to deal with luffy? And in movie gold Lucci told akainu to send battle ships.
And I think the translation used was most inteligent division, I think strongest was used for CP9. Talking from my memory here, could be wrong.
CP0 deals with negotiations like with shogun now, infiltration, like with cake island wedding, going undercover as underwold broker( stussy) CD bodyguard( at the rêverie, because if someone Attacks CD outside, admirals are send, no?).
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Like when luffy punched Carlos CD, they send admiral, not cp0 to deal with luffy? And in movie gold Lucci told akainu to send battle ships.
Makes perfect sense. The admirals are the strongest fighting force in the entire World Government.
And who else would you call to bring in a fleet? The navy are the ones with battleships.
Like i think you are mixing up purpose and ability somewhat.
And I think the translation used was most inteligent division, I think strongest was used for CP9. Talking from my memory here, could be wrong.
You might be thinking of how they said that this generation of agents were the strongest in CP9 history.
Also CP9 is also an intelligence division. All of the Cipher Pols are.
And out of all the Cipher Pols CP0 is plain out stated to be the most powerful.
CP0 deals with negotiations like with shogun now, infiltration, like with cake island wedding, going undercover as underwold broker( stussy) CD bodyguard( at the rêverie, because if someone Attacks CD outside, admirals are send, no?).
CP0 seems more for revolutionaries, and more about diplomacy/infiltration missions, rather then fighting.So your take is that the strongest Cipher Pol in existance is called that because they are great negotiators?
And could now, in your estimation, be lead by the guy who Luffy beat up in 2005 because up to that point none of the mindblowingly wealthy and well connected patrons of that group ever thought to pay for the strongest possible forces to have their back.
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@uniaka:
He had 2 years time to rank up, and CP0 doesn't look to be some strength based organization based on what they do, they still have to count on marines. Also had that CP9 experience that maybe counted too for him to rank up fast. And so far we saw few members, could be easy to get up there.
And if based on that fight with sabo, it looks like lucci got really strong to put up a fight with him, knowing what sabo did to Burgess and vice admiral in dressrosa, or his draw with admiral.
The new admirals got so high in the marines in just 2 years, something the other marines for decades didn't manage to. And if Oda himself worked on this movie, it's even more likely to be true.
They were clearly stated as being the STRONGEST intelligence agency in the world. No ifs or buts about it.
They are the strongest, the most powerful and they work directly for the rulers of the world. They act on their behalf, they answer only to them. You think they'd fill the most strongest of them with weaklings that cannot fight?@uniaka:
Like when luffy punched Carlos CD, they send admiral, not cp0 to deal with luffy? And in movie gold Lucci told akainu to send battle ships.
And I think the translation used was most inteligent division, I think strongest was used for CP9. Talking from my memory here, could be wrong.
CP0 deals with negotiations like with shogun now, infiltration, like with cake island wedding, going undercover as underwold broker( stussy) CD bodyguard( at the rêverie, because if someone Attacks CD outside, admirals are send, no?).
CP0 seems more for revolutionaries, and more about diplomacy/infiltration missions, rather then fighting. They got the marines for that.The Admirals are the greatest fighting force of the World government. They represent the military might of the world government. CP-O you could say are like the CIA or Mossad or any other intelligence agency in the world today.
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And could now, in your estimation, be lead by the guy who Luffy beat up in 2005 because up to that point none of the mindblowingly wealthy and well connected patrons of that group ever thought to pay for the strongest possible forces to have their back.
Yeah, absolutely. I also hope that we will see a bigger fish in the CPO group who uses Lucci as a hypetool (Jack / King & Queen style), but I wouldn't be surprised if Lucci also took over the lead for various reasons:
1. He simply got stronger, just like the protagonists. I mean we are talking about someone who believes that weakness is a sin, and he had two years to recover from his defeat. Hell, CP9's introduction was already a timeskip reunion, powerlevel and growth discussion included.
2. Lucci seems to be rather popular outside of AP, despite not appearing for almost a decade. I could see Oda pulling on a Crocodile on him, who was also beaten by Luffy early on and then had a complete street-cred rehabilitation during Marineford. You know, with the typical One Piece "equal clashes" vs people like Mihawk, Jozu & Doflamingo.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for someone else leading the CP0, unless we are talking about some higher up politician (like Spandam's father or what).
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@uniaka:
Was said in this thread, you can see here, lucci is chief commander of cp0 (sandman's post).
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=42229&page=28If that is actually true i might drop OP for a while.
The sheer laziness of it all blows my mind.
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Yeah, absolutely. I also hope that we will see a bigger fish in the CPO group who uses Lucci as a hypetool (Jack / King & Queen style), but I wouldn't be surprised if Lucci also took over the lead for various reasons:
1. He simply got stronger, just like the protagonists. I mean we are talking about someone who believes that weakness is a sin, and he had two years to recover from his defeat. Hell, CP9's introduction was already a timeskip reunion, powerlevel and growth discussion included.
2. Lucci seems to be rather popular outside of AP, despite not appearing for almost a decade. I could see Oda pulling on a Crocodile on him, who was also beaten by Luffy early on and then had a complete street-cred rehabilitation during Marineford. You know, with the typical One Piece "equal clashes" vs people like Mihawk, Jozu & Doflamingo.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for someone else leading the CP0, unless we are talking about some higher up politician (like Spandam's father or what).
Didn't the WG specifically try to kill CP-9 because they failed ? or am I misremembering.
Retaining Lucci as a tool makes sense but promoting him to the top of the CIA doesn't make sense whatsoever.
However, this does raise the question as to why the CP-0 agents in this chapter seemed passive when dealing with Orochi. If they are the WG top guys, them flexing on Orochi is the equivalent of the WG flexing. So I don't quite understand why they seem to be seemingly demure. It doesn't gel with the WG we know.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Didn't the WG specifically try to kill CP-9 because they failed ? or am I misremembering.
Retaining Lucci as a tool makes sense but promoting him to the top of the CIA doesn't make sense whatsoever.
Spandam blamed CP9 for the fall of Enies Lobby, yeah. Which lead to Lucci threatening Spandam over phone.
I can see it go two ways:
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Spandine offered Lucci the promotion to make amends for Spandam's incompetence. Part of the deal was Spandam working under him from then on, if at all. Sounds like the best option when a group of Assassins is on your back for revenge.
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Lucci was reinstalled by someone with more power than Spandine / Spandam. In the SBS Uniaka linked there is talk about Spandine being sick, which prevents him from pulling the strings for his son in some manner.
However, this does raise the question as to why the CP-0 agents in this chapter seemed passive when dealing with Orochi. If they are the WG top guys, them flexing on Orochi is the equivalent of the WG flexing. So I don't quite understand why they seem to be seemingly demure. It doesn't gel with the WG we know.
They are professionals. Letting the situation escalate would just prevent them from gathering more information about Wano. Keep in mind that with the latest translation, this is the first visit of the WG. You can always send more troops once you have a rough idea of the enemy forces.
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