@Game:
it'll be another 100 chapters and 1 whole year and this instead of one half of the straw hats plus luffy, it'll only be revolutionaries and reverie attendees
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would like this very much thank you
@Game:
it'll be another 100 chapters and 1 whole year and this instead of one half of the straw hats plus luffy, it'll only be revolutionaries and reverie attendees
screen cap this
would like this very much thank you
Oda said that he thought we'd get to Wano last year and we didn't, but that we'd definitely get to Wano this year.
I picture Reverie as being around 10-15 chapters.
About Kizaru on Sabaody, if I'm remembering right it was said sometime after the arc that he captured 500 pirates there.
I'll say 30 chapters.
There'll be a lot to sort out, but the conflict that'll be initiated is not something that will be resolved within this arc, and a lot of the threads will carry over post-Wano.
I'd say 5 chapters. When it starts, because apparently there is a 2 day gaps.
I'd say 5 chapters. When it starts, because apparently there is a 2 day gaps.
That is the point, I wonder if this 2 days means we will have more preparations chapters than expected or if it just an amount of time to allow revolutionnaries to make preparations and it will be skipped
Now that we know that the Revolutionaries are plannig to crash the Reverie, what do we think they are going to do there? I don't think they have enough manpower to take down neither the Cipher Pols nor the Marines, so their objective must be more specific. Some options are:
The sacred treasure of Mariejois. We don't really know what it is, but we know it is powerful. If Dragon steals it the WG would focus all of its efforts in getting it back. It's also the kind of covert operation the Revolutionaries specialize in. Create a big commotion in the Reverie and make use of it to steal the treasure while the marines are occupied. Attacking the kings, however, could also turn a lot of kingdoms against the revolutionaries (I'm referring to the ones that are currently neutral or don't think they are that big of a deal.)
Freeing the slaves. This would be a personal attack against the celestial dragons and would fall in line with the Revolutionary Army's objectives. We know it's possible since Fisher Tiger did it once, and the commander's Devil Fruits would only make it easier. Such a move could also earn them some allies, like Fishman Island or the Dressrosa or Alabasta Kingdoms, who already object to the dragons' way of life. Moreover Hancock could also help the revolutionaries, specially if the Seven Warlords are disbanded earlier during the Reverie. I think this would be a great way to allow Luffy's past allies to get involved in future conflicts against the world governement.
It will be something symbolic to shake the world and let the message spread. They don't have the power to do some serious damage otherwise it would became another Marineford.
Even if Dragon is at Yonkou level and Sabo is at Luffy level, the four captains were introduced beating a 50k pirate, so in my opinions Oda is telling us to expect something else than a military action.
I don't think it's a coincidence we have someone like belobetty in the mix, and how she was introduced, she is going to encourage world leaders to fight wg and start a revolution somehow.
Can't wait to see Sabo meeting stelly btw.
I think the Reverie could be the arc where we'll finally resolve some of the big mysteries regarding Kuma. In particular whether him joining the World Government and letting himself turn into an obedient cyborg is all part of a big, complicated plan from Dragon or not. If it is, then Kuma will probably be the key figure of this "declaration of war" from the revolutionaries. And if not, we still might get a more clear picture of his situation since a confrontation between him and Dragon and/or Sabo seems almost inevitable to me.
^Good call.
If not, then Kuma will probably only get explored in an eventual Vegapunk Arc.
It will be something symbolic to shake the world and let the message spread. They don't have the power to do some serious damage otherwise it would became another Marineford.
If it was something symbolic, like the burning of a flag or Dragon interrupting the meetings to insult the Gorosei, we wouldn't need this much set up. Back when the RA's whereabouts were unknown, something like that would have been satisfying, because of the surprise factor; but now that we know Dragon is planing something, it will not be enough. It has to be something big enough to justify the introduction of the commanders at this point of the story.
I kinda imagine something like this to happen
Just occured to me that it's Dragon vs the Dragons. Conisidence?
If it was something symbolic, like the burning of a flag or Dragon interrupting the meetings to insult the Gorosei, we wouldn't need this much set up. Back when the RA's whereabouts were unknown, something like that would have been satisfying, because of the surprise factor; but now that we know Dragon is planing something, it will not be enough. It has to be something big enough to justify the introduction of the commanders at this point of the story.
I didn't say it wouldn't be big. I just said it won't be a war in literal meaning.
I would say it will be a war declaration. Or maybe Sabo would say that.
I hope we'll learn more about the original 20 kingdoms that established the WG 800 years ago. We only know about two of them - Arabasta and Dressrosa. What is their status amongst the kingdoms that attend the Reverie? Are they all the same, or have a bit more power compared to others?
Any guesses on which of the introduced kingdoms might be part of the original 20?
I hope we get enough panel-time of sugar Daddy, Dragon. Twenty fucking years is how old this manga, and I wanna see quite a show of monstrosity by him.
I was curious, has someone made a list of the 20 kingdoms that will be attending the Reverie? There are 20 right? I know Dark Drum Kingdom was added recently but Germa has been taken out so it kind of balances out.
I was curious, has someone made a list of the 20 kingdoms that will be attending the Reverie? There are 20 right? I know Dark Drum Kingdom was added recently but Germa has been taken out so it kind of balances out.
50 are attending the Reverie.
Known so far are: Arabasta, Ryugu Kingdom, Lulusia, Illusia, Dressrosa, Drum, Dark Drum, Goa, Roshwan, Prodence, Ballywood, Kano, Tajine, Shishano + 6 unnamed ones. That's 20 minus Germa.
It can't be 20 kingdoms. The 20 kingdoms are the founding members of the WG, and even if only their vasal states, think the Rikus for the Donquixotes, I'm pretty sure that the Ryugu kingdom isn't one of the founding nations.
Acording to the wiki we have 19 confirmed guest kings (even if like 5 of them haven't been named or identified) and the 20th as Judge, so we need at least 2 kings more.
The kings are:
Of the Blues 3: Stelly from Goa, the King of Kano, Wapol of Dark Drum
Of Paradise 2: Cobra of Alabasta, Dalton of Sakura/Drum
Of the new World 3: Neptune of Ryugu, Riku the III from Dressrosa, Elizabello from Prodence
The 4 kings of the last chapter
The 5 kings revealed with clockbeard a while ago
And The king of Lulucia, who could be the same place Illusia, and could be the same king from the last reverie, or could be one of the 5 kings that haven't revealed a kingdom.
And Judge, giving us a total of 17 guest at the very least, 19 if Lulucia and Illusia are different places and not one of the kings shown are him, and Judge 20, but again the only 2 confirmed vasal states are Alabasta and Dressrosa, with Ryugu definitelly not being one of them.
And we have an unacounted King, the king of the standing kingdom and Orlumbus former patron, we have Flevance's royalty that escaped the purge.
Also we have Norland's kingdom, we saw the king of his lifetime, but I doubt Oda wouldn't make it obvious, at the very least with their noses.
The bliss kingdom, Torino Kingdom, Brook's kingdom, Laffite's kingdom, I'm certain that there are some inteception, or dead countries around, like how Germa is built on the corpses of 4 other kingdoms, so that would affect the count if it was just the 20.
It can't be 20 kingdoms. The 20 kingdoms are the founding members of the WG, and even if only their vasal states, think the Rikus for the Donquixotes, I'm pretty sure that the Ryugu kingdom isn't one of the founding nations.
Acording to the wiki we have 19 confirmed guest kings (even if like 5 of them haven't been named or identified) and the 20th as Judge, so we need at least 2 kings more.
The kings are:
Of the Blues 3: Stelly from Goa, the King of Kano, Wapol of Dark Drum
Of Paradise 2: Cobra of Alabasta, Dalton of Sakura/Drum
Of the new World 3: Neptune of Ryugu, Riku the III from Dressrosa, Elizabello from Prodence
The 4 kings of the last chapter
The 5 kings revealed with clockbeard a while ago
And The king of Lulucia, who could be the same place Illusia, and could be the same king from the last reverie, or could be one of the 5 kings that haven't revealed a kingdom.And Judge, giving us a total of 17 guest at the very least, 19 if Lulucia and Illusia are different places and not one of the kings shown are him, and Judge 20, but again the only 2 confirmed vasal states are Alabasta and Dressrosa, with Ryugu definitelly not being one of them.
And we have an unacounted King, the king of the standing kingdom and Orlumbus former patron, we have Flevance's royalty that escaped the purge.
Also we have Norland's kingdom, we saw the king of his lifetime, but I doubt Oda wouldn't make it obvious, at the very least with their noses.
The bliss kingdom, Torino Kingdom, Brook's kingdom, Laffite's kingdom, I'm certain that there are some inteception, or dead countries around, like how Germa is built on the corpses of 4 other kingdoms, so that would affect the count if it was just the 20.
Lulusia and Illusia aren't the same country. Lulusia is in the Grand Line not far from Momoiro Kingdom, while Illusia is in West Blue.
It seems like 823 had more clues on the king's identities, back then we had Beer and Burger, but the clear flag of the "Ilisia" kingdom between king hitler and snooty king with spires that look like Noland's flashback.
It seems like 823 had more clues on the king's identities, back then we had Beer and Burger, but the clear flag of the "Ilisia" kingdom between king hitler and snooty king with spires that look like Noland's flashback.
Noland comes from Lvneel though. Different place. Different symbol, too.
6 or 7 BABYCAKES
A volume, an extra half tops. Like 15-17 chapters.
So now that we are 3 chapters in do u guys still think Reverie will only be one volume. I'm still going with around 50 chapters but if Oda does make it extra short I still think we'll get over 30 chapters for Reverie.
=D
One of the editors, Naito, confirms in an interview the Reverie will continue on for 10 more chapters. He says it's so short that he wouldn't even consider it as an arc, and that it contains so much information that readers might want to go back and reread all the chapters.
So now that we are 3 chapters in do u guys still think Reverie will only be one volume. I'm still going with around 50 chapters but if Oda does make it extra short I still think we'll get over 30 chapters for Reverie.
=D
Way it’s going, I’m leaning more towards a Zhou length arc BABY CAKEEES
Baby cakes is my schtick now!
Greg posted some info about the Reverie being 10 more chapters.
The last chapter got me thinking about how Oda is about to set up a Happiness Punch for the male readers: When Shirahoshi meets Vivi
@K.:
Greg posted some info about the Reverie being 10 more chapters.
We will see who will be right
So now that we are 3 chapters in do u guys still think Reverie will only be one volume. I'm still going with around 50 chapters but if Oda does make it extra short I still think we'll get over 30 chapters for Reverie.
=D
1 year in the reverie it would not be possible, the story is about shs, how can you miss all of your leading character of the story for a whole year??
btw naito already said 10 more and it's gone. multiplying that for Oda's cliffhanger syndrome correcting factor (1.5), we have a maximum of 15 chapters more.
Oda's editor actually said that the Reverie will end within the next 10 chapters, and not that there will definitively be 10 more and that's it.
@Game:
One of the editors, Naito, confirms in an interview the Reverie will continue on for 10 more chapters. He says it's so short that he wouldn't even consider it as an arc, and that it contains so much information that readers might want to go back and reread all the chapters.
sixteen characters
We will see who will be right
The info was what the editor said. I though the reverie would last 1-2 volumes. Not sure why it would go for 50 chapters, or less than a volume. It's agreat opportunity to keep feeding us the lore.
Did you put forwsrd a guess?
Didn't those same editors say we would see Wano last chapter? Or is that just a rumor I heard?
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Didn't those same editors say we would see Wano last chapter? Or is that just a rumor I heard?
=D
I heard 906…
Regardless you can trust them this time.
A couple dozen chapters with no main character in a massively successful franchise like this is a no no.
Oda's editor actually said that the Reverie will end within the next 10 chapters, and not that there will definitively be 10 more and that's it.
Yeah, I was wondering if my translation was misleading. Editor Naito used a word "数週" in the live streaming, which usually means 2-9 weeks in Japanese.
At the same time, he said Oda will not spend dozens of weeks (何十週, meaning more than 20 weeks) on Reverie since Straw Hats need to go to Wano soon. He also said he doesn't consider it as Reverie "arc" since it will not last long.
I'll check back with yall in like 5 chapters. Maybe then your feelings will have changed.
=D
T/N: Oda introduces Reverie as Levely. We will honor what he uses and will edit accordingly if he changes the spelling in the volume release.
Sticking with Reverie (and Stelly) sheerly because it sounds better.
Yeah… Reverie and Mariejois. I'm amazed that you guys are even able to indulge Oda in these things. I've hated almost every romanization in this series. Arabasta, Thriller Park/Barque, Roguetown... I was even quite fond of Dogtooth but I'll stop there before I further damn myself.
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I know this comes down to some preference, and I can't argue with what has been written in English by Oda, but like... Reverie and Barque are real words that have been butchered by someone who doesn't speak English. But we as English speakers can choose to not make the same mistake.
EDIT: I don't mean to slam people who honor Oda's writings, obviously. There's an obvious logic to going by the romanizations seen in the manga. I just want someone to understand where someone like me is coming from.
It's "Reverie". I agree with Icefae, we know that "Levely" is a misromanization. We know the word he means to use here "Reverie" because it's an actual word that applies to this situation.
Like I'm all for authorial intent and everything, but "Levely" is very clearly Oda making a typo.
"Leveling" the politics and opinions of the various Kingdoms/Governments every few years would make some sense. WG ethics ftw! We control the Marines after all…
The word sounds silly though.
Manga is a medium through which the author directly conveys feelings internal to them through ideas, metaphor, images, characters, settings, art and words. A master of the craft can speak more directly to the reader with it than through their own literal words. Through Ohara, Oda expresses his belief in the preservation of history. Through the Character of Luffy he expresses inner feelings of childishness that might resonate with the readers. Through Levely, Oda expresses that he has no idea how English works.
Yeah… Reverie and Mariejois. I'm amazed that you guys are even able to indulge Oda in these things. I've hated almost every romanization in this series. Arabasta, Thriller Park/Barque, Roguetown... I was even quite fond of Dogtooth but I'll stop there before I further damn myself.
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I know this comes down to some preference, and I can't argue with what has been written in English by Oda, but like... Reverie and Barque are real words that have been butchered by someone who doesn't speak English. But we as English speakers can choose to not make the same mistake.
EDIT: I don't mean to slam people who honor Oda's writings, obviously. There's an obvious logic to going by the romanizations seen in the manga. I just want someone to understand where someone like me is coming from.
I think there is difference there. Obviously when Oda is picking his terms and his names he is not thinking about how it is going to be written in other alphabets. For him, the thing that is about to start is not the Reverie or the Leverly, it's the レヴェリー. That's most likely the word that is on his mind and the only one, so when he has to write that in our alphabet, he can make mistakes because he is probably trying to remember "how do I write that again… oh yeah, I guess it's like this".
Same for things like Nefertari/Nefeltari, Linlin/Rinrin. Particularly when we are talking about misplacing L and R which I would expect would be a common mistake when a japanese person is trying to romanize things.
So Sterry actually being Stelly? Highly possible. But that is completely different from shoving aside complete romanizations that clearly have nothing to do with that like "oh, he romanized シリュウ as Shilliew instead of Shiryu, the most intuitive romanization for any japanese person, because he makes mistakes with english sometimes". Or now マリージョア being Mary Geoise! There is a possibility Mary Geoise may be tweaked later, but completely ignoring the romanization proposed by the writer and sticking with Mariejois because "Oda messes those things up" as if something like that falls on the same level of Nefertari being written as Nefeltari... c'mon!
If people want to do that because of personal taste, that's perfectly fine, but don't try to sound like a smartass while doing so (not saying you specifically are doing that, obviously. Nothing in your post sounded like that).
Writers can make mistakes, and it doesn’t seem like Oda intended to mangle his own words, but what do I know? I’m just a goat.
Writers can make mistakes, and it doesn’t seem like Oda intended to mangle his own words, but what do I know? I’m just a goat.
Wagomu since the event has started in earnest, is there anyone I can ask to sticky this thread?
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I think there is difference there. Obviously when Oda is picking his terms and his names he is not thinking about how it is going to be written in other alphabets. For him, the thing that is about to start is not the Reverie or the Leverly, it's the レヴェリー. That's most likely the word that is on his mind and the only one, so when he has to write that in our alphabet, he can make mistakes because he is probably trying to remember "how do I write that again… oh yeah, I guess it's like this".
Same for things like Nefertari/Nefeltari, Linlin/Rinrin. Particularly when we are talking about misplacing L and R which I would expect would be a common mistake when a japanese person is trying to romanize things.So Sterry actually being Stelly? Highly possible. But that is completely different from shoving aside complete romanizations that clearly have nothing to do with that like "oh, he romanized シリュウ as Shilliew instead of Shiryu, the most intuitive romanization for any japanese person, because he makes mistakes with english sometimes". Or now マリージョア being Mary Geoise! There is a possibility Mary Geoise may be tweaked later, but completely ignoring the romanization proposed by the writer and sticking with Mariejois because "Oda messes those things up" as if something like that falls on the same level of Nefertari being written as Nefeltari... c'mon!
If people want to do that because of personal taste, that's perfectly fine, but don't try to sound like a smartass while doing so (not saying you specifically are doing that, obviously. Nothing in your post sounded like that).
Everyone has been flaming oda for spelling since this arc started
I think reverie makes the most sense since its a real english term and the defnition fits well enough. Things like sterry or mary geoise are a lot looser IMO since they are names.
And this chapter leads me to believe the geoise ending is a reference to the bourgeoise class
Could be worse. We could've gotten La Very, Ribarie, Reveal Lee or some other old Jaya scanlation-level nonsense.
Thank Xusasu.
I think Oda put a lot more time and effort into Mary Geoise than he did Levely, considering the former is a massive title card and the second was printed on a flag in the background…and for me, at least, I'm not entirely certain that those are Ls on the flag. Maybe the raw manga has better detail but as it stands now I can pretty easily read it as "Revery"
There's always the anime to fall back on.
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They use both Stelly and Reverie.
I feel like the spellings Oda put out are to help with the pronunciations more than anything. U can still spell it how you want, but u should be pronouncing Mariejois as Mary Geoise and Reverie as Levely.
=D
I know this comes down to some preference, and I can't argue with what has been written in English by Oda, but like… Reverie and Barque are real words that have been butchered by someone who doesn't speak English. But we as English speakers can choose to not make the same mistake.
Those are French words though lol.
(but your point is correct)
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I feel like the spellings Oda put out are to help with the pronunciations more than anything. U can still spell it how you want, but u should be pronouncing Mariejois as Mary Geoise and Reverie as Levely.
=D
Yes, if you for some reason have a Japanese accent where Reverie and Levely would sound the same.
If you don't have a Japanese accent this makes no sense at all.
But of course Japanese people don't need pronunciation help from latin letters so this is super ridiculous to suggest.
So why the latin alphabet use?
Oda adds romanizations not to help people in Western Europe and the Americas do anything at all, but because latin letters are cool looking to Japanese people.
Much like how East Asian character writing is cool looking to westerners. That's it. Oda doesn't speak English, or anything other than Japanese for that matter. And his primary audience at any given time is Japan and not us.
(also Maryjois and Mary Geoise would sound the same even in English or the French they're based off of, one just looks doofier, how are you pronouncing them?)