The big problem with the Big Mom crew is that, logically, they should be a tidal wave of powerful people converging to crush the Straw Hats this very moment, yet they can't, because then theres no story. So you end up with stufff like Katakuri slooooooowly walking towards Capone and Luffy across three pages, while Bege lets Luffy go, shouts about his plan, summons Pedro and Jinbe, and Luffy collectes the picture. Thats not "split second surprises, catching him reasonably off guard", thats Katakuri being made horribly inefficient for the sake of the story.
One Piece 864: The Vinsmoke Family Slaughter Plot
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Anyone pointed out that Ichiji has no shades on him on last page ?
Next week we will most likely see his eyes.
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/864/page/17
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@Daz:
The big problem with the Big Mom crew is that, logically, they should be a tidal wave of powerful people converging to crush the Straw Hats this very moment, yet they can't, because then theres no story. So you end up with stufff like Katakuri slooooooowly walking towards Capone and Luffy across three pages, while Bege lets Luffy go, shouts about his plan, summons Pedro and Jinbe, and Luffy collectes the picture. Thats not "split second surprises, catching him reasonably off guard", thats Katakuri being made horribly inefficient for the sake of the story.
Ironic, every single straw hat that came out of the cake was attacked. Pedro was attacked. Jimbe was attacked. Luffy was attacked. Sanji was attacked. Brook got his head cut off. So what exactly do you mean? They were jumped on. They just have not been overpowered yet because they aren't weak.
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My Thoughts time
Chapter Cover:
Yay a new story and one about the Straw Hat Fleet. Hehe this should be interesting. What kinda shenanigans will the group do under the name of the Straw Hats.New Siblings
Huh so a genie man and another heat user. Okay I dig their designs but I get the feeling these people are gonna trip over each other trying to please Big Mom. Not like were getting hints of that already that her upbringing is doing more harm then good but their lack of unity is certainly going to be their downfall.Pudding Hesitation
Well I'm pleased to see it wasn't an instant Heel Turn and how the cracks are beginning to show. This I can kinda get behind to show how damaged her mentality is being raised in such a uncaring environment. An interesting confliction to see how it develops.Big Mom's Stalled Anger
Part of me is kinda annoyed at this since this ended up stalling the story just for more drawn out tension after all the previous build up. But I do like that this was a believable unforeseen consequence since well, Big Mom isn't the most stable person around in how easily she gets angry. So when it all hits at once her mind just..stops. Considering her hunger pangs too and I can see why Katakuri would be worried about what happens next.Vinsmokes Held Hostage
Oh wow…just wow. Not the reaction I expected it out of Judge and..yeah not really sure what to think here. He could be faking, could be genuine. Honestly if it is, then I take it he was just truly desperate for this marriage ploy. Like a guy who really needed money to pay off a loan shark. Interesting to see his sons just being all nonchalant at their impending deaths. I wonder if this'll come back into play later when they get freed.Bege Revealing His True Colors
Not gonna lie, I laughed when Bege said Katakuri looked panic and then we cut to his usual stoic face. Still feels a bit too early for Bege to be going all in now but I guess he figured there's nothing left to lose if Big Mom gonna rampage in a bit anyway. Might as well just add more to fuel to the storm that's about brew.Overall:
Eh it just felt like a entire chapter of Mexican Standoffs. I got a few laughs here and there but at the same time hated the whole false start to the whole climax. Honestly it just felt this way to introduce some more threats our heroes will have to face. Nothing wrong with that but makes me wonder why Oda didn't just introduce them during the opening ceremony. Well either way, things should pick up next chapter hopefully.Speculation:
Lets see we got Katakuri, Oven and genie guy, plus Smoothie and a dozen small fry members. So I guess next chapter will get a pair ups before Big Mom start to wail or explode with anger or something. Not certain how the Vinsmokes will be saved though possibly Ceaser will have a hand in it. -
@Kaido:
I am super salty the Big Mom Pirates are not omnipotent gods :sad: What a disappointment from a Yonko crew. Remember Yhwach from Bleach? Best villain of all time, he was like a fully upgraded Katakuri who turned all attacks into dust before they were even conceived. If only we could go back to the good old days…
Oh, and make that double for the Vinsmokes too. Who would win in a fight between them? Tune in next chapter!
Full yonkou's crew, yet they fail to do something with luffy and half his crew, some small number of allies. Imagine if luffy's full crew and his 5600 men fleet was here… Who would look like yonkou's crew, luffy or bm?
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How?
Let's put Blackbeard equivalent to big mom, shiryu with one of the sweet commanders. What else shows they're threatening?
They have 10 titan captains, meaning each probably has their own underling and we can see that atleast shiryu and lafitte have their own ship. The rest haven't shown anything really. They're from lvl 6, that's about it. Croc and jinbe are from lvl 6. Burgess got owned severely with someone probably equivalent to a yonkou commander. They also em from akainu pre timeskip. They've gotten stronger I'm sure but what about his crew makes them more threatening than big mom's at this moment?Gonna assume scar face is shanks. So, Apart from shanks, Ben, lucky and yassop who could be likened to at this moment big mom and her sweet commanders or kaido and calamities, what else have they shown?
Whitebeard had 16 commanders and 43 allied crews with 1600 crew member. The allies are getting taken out by weevil. Whitebeard was strongest man while kaido is strongest creature.
I don't see much differences between the yonkous so I'm curious how does one seem more threatening than the other?
Yeah the stache man's crew also suffers a bit from the we have the numbers-itis.
But not quite as bad as BM's 20+ gang-up crew
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@uniaka:
Full yonkou's crew, yet they fail to do something with luffy and half his crew, some small number of allies. Imagine if luffy's full crew and his 5600 men fleet was here… Who would look like yonkou's crew, luffy or bm?
That is not the full crew, there are just some of BM elder children and some guest, most of her crew should be running security on the boarders,and Bege took precautions so that nobody else can get to the ceremony.
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1. How so? They are both supernova's, Bege is a bigshot, just like Luffy. Isn't weird at all. Would you be surprised at Kid/Law being able to pin down an unsuspecting Luffy? Common sense isn't so common.
2. It wasn't made out to be a big deal, it just happened…..why do Marines even carry guns???
3. The father has emotions, it's his children that don't (which, again, was made apparent)Yes at this point in the series I would be surprised for any Supernova to be able to subdue Luffy, I agree with the Sanji part, as for Vinsmokes, agree on the feelings part, but disagree on the total surrender right away part and the way Judge acted felt for me a bit unrealistic and dramatic.
I mean in the middle of all this mess in a shounen jump series, that quick of a surrender from them all feels unrealistic to me
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lola's father and chiffon have to do in this carnage
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Really curious as to what events as they just found out this chapter that they're being targeted. And the simple fact that they have little care means they have little care for their own lives. They assessed the situation, realized it was futile and accepted death.
Before the cake fell, they knew a shot was fired in Sanji's direction and the priest died. Katakuri moved into a position to attack Sanji and he pulled out his weapon. So your so called sacrifice was getting attacked by one of Big Mom's children during the wedding and they sat there without been alert? Seriously?
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@Daz:
The big problem with the Big Mom crew is that, logically, they should be a tidal wave of powerful people converging to crush the Straw Hats this very moment, yet they can't, because then theres no story. So you end up with stufff like Katakuri slooooooowly walking towards Capone and Luffy across three pages, while Bege lets Luffy go, shouts about his plan, summons Pedro and Jinbe, and Luffy collectes the picture. Thats not "split second surprises, catching him reasonably off guard", thats Katakuri being made horribly inefficient for the sake of the story.
I wish Oda wasn't so persistent with piling multiple characters onto events. Because now we have Marineford almost every arc and it doesn't seem to be Oda's forte. The equation is just too damn big to make everything work.
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Before the cake fell, they knew a shot was fired in Sanji's direction and the priest died. Katakuri moved into a position to attack Sanji and he pulled out his weapon. So your so called sacrifice was getting attacked by one of Big Mom's children during the wedding and they sat there without been alert? Seriously?
And they don't have any piece of technology with them as a failsafe. How did these guys even survive the last 20 years.
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I don't think capone plan to reveal he is enemy too is helping. Now all big mom pirates will target him and he won't be able to shoot bm.
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If Judge isn't really acting then i would say Oda did a silly job with him.
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Ironic, every single straw hat that came out of the cake was attacked. Pedro was attacked. Jimbe was attacked. Luffy was attacked. Sanji was attacked. Brook got his head cut off. So what exactly do you mean? They were jumped on. They just have not been overpowered yet because they aren't weak.
What exactly is ironic here? Anyway, its true that some effort is being made to stop the crew, but it just doesn't feel like substantial pressure is being put on the protagonists, in terms of execution.
Jinbe and Pedro can apparently instantly leave their encounters with no consequence. Capone can casually spend his time freeing Luffy and announcing his betrayal, despite Katakuri being a few metres away. Even Sanji, who is still fighting, is not dogpiled but rather engaged in a 1 on 1 fight, as Big Moms pirates appear to follow Assasins Creed encounter rules. What, are everyone else, from Mont D'or to Smoothie engaged with capturing confirmed Luffy-decoys offscreen?All in all, despite being severely outnumbered by the top brass of a top tier pirate crew in a very compact area with minimal distractions (like I said earlier, the fake Luffys already feel pointless), the protagonists have altogether too much breathing room and freedom, which undermines the tension and the credibility of their opponents.
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@uniaka:
Full yonkou's crew, yet they fail to do something with luffy and half his crew, some small number of allies. Imagine if luffy's full crew and his 5600 men fleet was here… Who would look like yonkou's crew, luffy or bm?
What do you mean? Last I checked the team was vastly outnumbered with not much hope of powering through in their current situation. Even the guys in 1v1 fights are having difficulties.
@Daz:
What exactly is ironic here? Anyway, its true that some effort is being made to stop the crew, but it just doesn't feel like substantial pressure is being put on the protagonists, in terms of execution.
Jinbe and Pedro can apparently instantly leave their encounters with no consequence. Capone can casually spend his time freeing Luffy and announcing his betrayal, despite Katakuri being a few metres away. Even Sanji, who is still fighting, is not dogpiled but rather engaged in a 1 on 1 fight, as Big Moms pirates appear to follow Assasins Creed encounter rules. What, are everyone else, from Mont D'or to Smoothie engaged with capturing confirmed Luffy-decoys offscreen?All in all, despite being severely outnumbered by the top brass of a top tier pirate crew in a very compact area with minimal distractions (like I said earlier, the fake Luffys already feel pointless), the protagonists have altogether too much breathing room and freedom, which undermines the tension and the credibility of their opponents.
Jinbe and Pedro haven't left their encounters at all yet. The last time we saw them they were engaged in battle, and turned their heads briefly to look at Bege. Mont d'Or is one of the guys surrounding the Vinsmokes.
We obviously don't know what Katakuri foresaw, but given he's going up against Bege, I would understand why he didn't instantaneously hit the two with a wall of mochi. Not only is Bege a powerful and trusted member of the Big Mom Pirates, but his words at the end of the chapter rang very true. Katakuri's foresight can be changed, as the man himself proved when he shot Jigra and later accidentally killed the priest with the jellybean. Katakuri himself knows this, and it makes sense to give someone like Bege a chance to change the future for him. Bege's speech after that to confirm he's fully on the other side was extremely brief and consisted of a single page.
The only one with really any "breathing room" here is Luffy, because Bege stepped in to give him that. Now, I can somewhat understand your sentiment, given that the main focuses of the chapter were Luffy and the Vinsmokes. But the others are very clearly outnumbered and are not in a very good position.
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Some of you really need to stop replying to the first post you see, without taking an effort to check the following posts.
There were no following posts, but I left my post without posting it for a while(blame my little nephew) and when I did there were :D.
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There were no following posts, but I left my post without posting it for a while(blame my little nephew) and when I did there were :D.
Oooh, It happens a lot to me as well.
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@Kaido:
Jinbe and Pedro haven't left their encounters at all yet. The last time we saw them they were engaged in battle, and turned their heads briefly to look at Bege.
Panel 2 p.17 says hello : they do seem to come and go as they please. Or made short work of whoever was fighting them a moment before, which won't improve the BM pirates' already low credentials.
I'm not saying this doesn't make sense, mind. Jinbe is a former Warlord and Pedro is a top tier Mink warrior, so they should be able to fend off most of Big Mom's underlings. The fact that they can move around without anyone else engaging them, however, still does a lot to decrease the tension.
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@Daz:
What exactly is ironic here? Anyway, its true that some effort is being made to stop the crew, but it just doesn't feel like substantial pressure is being put on the protagonists, in terms of execution.
Jinbe and Pedro can apparently instantly leave their encounters with no consequence. Capone can casually spend his time freeing Luffy and announcing his betrayal, despite Katakuri being a few metres away. Even Sanji, who is still fighting, is not dogpiled but rather engaged in a 1 on 1 fight, as Big Moms pirates appear to follow Assasins Creed encounter rules. What, are everyone else, from Mont D'or to Smoothie engaged with capturing confirmed Luffy-decoys offscreen?All in all, despite being severely outnumbered by the top brass of a top tier pirate crew in a very compact area with minimal distractions (like I said earlier, the fake Luffys already feel pointless), the protagonists have altogether too much breathing room and freedom, which undermines the tension and the credibility of their opponents.
16 characters or Marineford
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@Daz:
What exactly is ironic here? Anyway, its true that some effort is being made to stop the crew, but it just doesn't feel like substantial pressure is being put on the protagonists, in terms of execution.
Jinbe and Pedro can apparently instantly leave their encounters with no consequence. Capone can casually spend his time freeing Luffy and announcing his betrayal, despite Katakuri being a few metres away. Even Sanji, who is still fighting, is not dogpiled but rather engaged in a 1 on 1 fight, as Big Moms pirates appear to follow Assasins Creed encounter rules. What, are everyone else, from Mont D'or to Smoothie engaged with capturing confirmed Luffy-decoys offscreen?All in all, despite being severely outnumbered by the top brass of a top tier pirate crew in a very compact area with minimal distractions (like I said earlier, the fake Luffys already feel pointless), the protagonists have altogether too much breathing room and freedom, which undermines the tension and the credibility of their opponents.
The fake luffy's were suppose to be a decoy for a bit but Luffy ruined that plan. Katkuri attacked the real luffy, Big Mom yelled at him about that. Then the whole thing with Jinbe happened. Big Mom was directly attacking luffy and Jimbe this chapter. Then it became a free for all, with Jimbe getting jumped by 3 people. Sanji getting attack by genie in a belt and pudding. Luffy was tackled and held by Capone. The vinsmokes are surrounded with guns to their heads. It is not like they(big mom pirates) are not doing anything. They But yeah, Jinbe and Pedro retreat does seem a little odd. Mont d'or was with pudding. They have not shown Smoothie.
I am not sure if they are out numbered by the "top brass". We have Katkuri, Smoothie, Big Mom, Genie belt and Oven. Candy man, the oldest son is dealing with the vinsmokes. Those are only the top brass they I see are there, I could be wrong tho.
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It's like people forgot that Luffy fought almost half a day against Cracker.
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It's like people forgot that Luffy fought almost half a day against Cracker.
That individual battle does not justify the wedding appearing to be so… lax and shonen-y when it should be a multi-man ambush on all fronts. If anything, the Cracker fight only makes me wonder why Smoothie hasn't taken any action yet.
Like, do we really need a dozen people surrounding the five Vinsmokes? Shouldn't powers like Perospero's (assuming he isn't keeping the Vinsmokes restrained instead of Galette) or Mont-d'Or's Book World be prioritized to deal with the intruders? I still want to know what the hell that Book World is even supposed to do besides random Wonderland hallucinations.
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Is it really that crazy to assume jinbe and pedro defeated or bought enough time to run to luffy and capone, I mean spacially it isnt like they ran half a mile to get there
Capone was basically in the same place as jinbe and pedro anyway
They all came outta the same place after all
I mean another page could have helped the visualization of it sure but this strikes me as getting caught up on the smaller issues here
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@The BM Pirate complaints: I won't say they're wrong, heck I actually agree with most of them, but it's only been 2.5 chapters since this action sequence began, and the situation looks like it's going to heavily change once Big Mom gets reminded of the picture. So for now it's easy enough to overlook compared to all the good stuff going on.
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@The BM Pirate complaints: I won't say they're wrong, heck I actually agree with most of them, but it's only been 2.5 chapters since this action sequence began, and the situation looks like it's going to heavily change once Big Mom gets reminded of the picture. So for now it's easy enough to overlook compared to all the good stuff going on.
I don't really mind any of this even if I think the Big Mom pirates could be more tactical because of how imminent Big Mom's rage is. I just wish that Big Mom would do something. I'm telling you, I bet that she'll be paired up with the other girls (Amande and Galette) to pursue the weaklings (Nami, Chopper, and Carrot) because Oda.
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Yeah the stache man's crew also suffers a bit from the we have the numbers-itis.
But not quite as bad as BM's 20+ gang-up crew
I don't think that's a fair assessment. We got whitebeards crew mostly in an sbs and a short display in the war. We've seen more of display from cracker than we've seen of any member in the whitebeard crew.
On top of that, this is a arc centered around big mom and her crew. While the war focused on whitebeard and a few top men. We can also mention the fact that it's her home turf, no mention of allied crews like 43 whitebeard has and also the fact that luffy just picked up 5600 ppl.
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@Count:
I just wish that Big Mom would do something. I'm telling you, I bet that she'll be paired up with the other girls (Amande and Galette) to pursue the weaklings (Nami, Chopper, and Carrot) because Oda.
The image of Big Mom happily chasing after Nami and co. only to be taken down in comical fashion while her sons fight actual main battles will now forever be engrained in my memory. Thank you.
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All this talk about people wanting the BM Pirates to completely overpower the SHs to the point of taking all of them out immediately,
and I'm in my corner wondering why Oda drew Jinbei looking like he learned Armament Haki after my reread.
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@The:
All this talk about people wanting the BM Pirates to completely overpower the SHs to the point of taking all of them out immediately,
and I'm in my corner wondering why Oda drew Jinbei looking like he learned Armament Haki after my reread.
Okay, man. It will sound crazy, almost orojackson llevel of headcanon, but what if… perhaps... by any chance... what if Jinbe used haki like we knew he can since he took down Caribou?!
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@Long:
Is it really that crazy to assume jinbe and pedro defeated or bought enough time to run to luffy and capone, I mean spacially it isnt like they ran half a mile to get there
Capone was basically in the same place as jinbe and pedro anyway
They all came outta the same place after all
I mean another page could have helped the visualization of it sure but this strikes me as getting caught up on the smaller issues here
Pedro and Jinbe beating their opponents would hardly adress my general issue of the tension of this climax being undermined.
To be completely clear, my main gripe in this case is not so much a question of plot, as it is a question of form. Transitions, pacing, drawings, composition of panels, that sort of thing. And even though all that stuff is not as fun to debate as the plot stuff, its an absolutely vital component of the manga. Its the equivalent of the editing of a film and it merits discussion, because it ultimately determines how a chapters contents is percieved. If you kept the plot of Luffys fight with Crocodile as is, only you cut the transitory panels, or made all the panels smaller, or did twice as many cutaways, or inserted several more non-action dialogue bits, it would still technically be the same, but its function as an intense action climax would be hampered.
And heres where I'm frank, and say that Oda has gotten increasingly sloppy at the technical side of writing his manga. I lack the proper "Storytelling lingo" to more concisely articulate my viewpoint, but theres a general feeling that everything is now optimized more for story-forwarding efficiency. Which is, well Duh, OP has gotten insanely big and Oda wants it to end sometime, but it does seem to affect the dramatic efficiency of the arcs.
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Okay, man. It will sound crazy, almost orojackson llevel of headcanon, but what if… perhaps... by any chance... what if Jinbe used haki like we knew he can since he took down Caribou?!
You could be right, but Jinbei's utilization of Fishman Karate allows him to hit a person by manipulating the water in the air and in the body. Plus, Caribou is a walking swamp which is part water anyway so he wouldn't need to use CoA on him cause Jinbei's karate skills is more than adequate.
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I didn't realize what a cool opportunity it is to have Sanji in white pants! When he does get his epic moments to beat someone down those pants should go dark as night and we won't have to be told that he was using Haki.
Are the Charlotte kids waiting on an order to kill the Vinsmoke family? Seems stupid to me that they are just waiting there and talking like that. Does Sanji have to be the first one to go?
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The image of Big Mom happily chasing after Nami and co. only to be taken down in comical fashion while her sons fight actual main battles will now forever be engrained in my memory. Thank you.
Oh wait, no. Did I say Big Mom? I meant Smoothie. XD
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I didn't realize what a cool opportunity it is to have Sanji in white pants! When he does get his epic moments to beat someone down those pants should go dark as night and we won't have to be told that he was using Haki.
Are the Charlotte kids waiting on an order to kill the Vinsmoke family? Seems stupid to me that they are just waiting there and talking like that. Does Sanji have to be the first one to go?
Seeing on how BM yelled at Katakuri just for trying to stop Luffy from smashing the portrait, it's likely beatings would ensue if someone went off her script.
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@Daz:
And heres where I'm frank, and say that Oda has gotten increasingly sloppy at the technical side of writing his manga. I lack the proper "Storytelling lingo" to more concisely articulate my viewpoint, but theres a general feeling that everything is now optimized more for story-forwarding efficiency. Which is, well Duh, OP has gotten insanely big and Oda wants it to end sometime, but it does seem to affect the dramatic efficiency of the arcs.
I get what you mean and I agree. I guess you can call it putting too much emphasis on the horizontal (long term) storytelling whereas the vertical (short term) storytelling gets too much neglected. Dressrosa is a heavy contender where the story time storytelling completely felt flat basically lacking any tension and suspense for short time events. Whereas Totland (luckily) is not as catastrophal as Dressrosa, it still has quite some flaws.
Looking at the Big Mom Pirates I'm somewhat disappointed. Aside from BM screwing her morals and ethics developmed in the earlier chapters and going to cartoonish evil, also not only are they somewhat dysfunctional and inefficient as an overall crew, but also BM gets an out-of-nowhere weakness only to move the plot forward faster. Really, what I want is an enemy force which actually feels like a big accomplishment when you finally overcome it. (Same in Dressrosa where Doffy just got a living talking self-destruct button just to move the plot forward.) For me, Totland really doesn't work on a short-term level as well. Everything just feels too much like being slaves to the overall long term plot in order to get it done faster.
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Before the cake fell, they knew a shot was fired in Sanji's direction and the priest died. Katakuri moved into a position to attack Sanji and he pulled out his weapon. So your so called sacrifice was getting attacked by one of Big Mom's children during the wedding and they sat there without been alert? Seriously?
I think you're misunderstanding something here. I went back to read it again to make sure i didnt miss something, but katakuri never "moved into position to attack sanji". the events went like this:
Chapter 862
katakuri saw pudding fall down but didnt know why,
pudding falls down and katakuri sees sanji dodge attack,
katakuri attacks sanji, he dodged and priest got hit instead…at the same time priest's gun also goes off
judge, reiju and ichiji rise up out their chair out of the confusion
katakuri sees the future of chaos and "moves infront of big mom to brace for combat" (this is where you arer mistaken)
everyone at this point is confused except katakuri… even big mom herself
luffy explodes out of the cake
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Chapter 863
luffy causes chaos while everyone is just watching,
katakuri attacks luffy, jinbei frees him
jinbei confronts big mom and does his thing while everyone just watches
(at no point is any focus on the vinsmokes and them being threatened, infact, big mom and katakuri are handling the situation at hand, as an arrogant prince there is no need for me to interfere in other ppls business)
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Chapter 864
big mom attacks luffy and jinbei
brook breaks picture
big mom shifts focus and ppl are looking at brooke
the vinsmokes are back in a relaxed situation because they think the strawhats are there to save sanji who they dont give a shit about and who big mom is currently dealing with. (at no point are the vinsmokes being threatened or needed to be on high alert; its the strawhats and big mom their "ally" is handling it)
big mom's crew attack luffy and company
they catch the vinsmokes by surprise and surrounds them.
etc, etc….again, they just found out THIS CHAPTER that they were being targeted and had no reason otherwise to doubt big mom and her crew. Also, by the time they did find out, it was too late. The only thing, i can give credence to knowing about it before being captured was when pudding was shooting at sanji this same chapter. At that point the vinsmokes should have known something was amiss, however, we dont know if they weren't captured by this time.
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@The:
You could be right, but Jinbei's utilization of Fishman Karate allows him to hit a person by manipulating the water in the air and in the body. Plus, Caribou is a walking swamp which is part water anyway so he wouldn't need to use CoA on him cause Jinbei's karate skills is more than adequate.
jinbe is using armamnt haki defensively,so there's your answer on why he needs it.
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@The:
You could be right, but Jinbei's utilization of Fishman Karate allows him to hit a person by manipulating the water in the air and in the body. Plus, Caribou is a walking swamp which is part water anyway so he wouldn't need to use CoA on him cause Jinbei's karate skills is more than adequate.
Because a fist barring water will still get cut by a sharp onject
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I will admit that I was expecting to see more panels with Brook being cleverly hidden in the background after he jumped off the cake the same way I was hoping to see him running with the mask around. I have grown used to the idea that Oda would place those detail around. I was expecting to see Brook with the mask at least twice before he broke the picture. It just feels better constructed that way.
In concern about what Daz is mentioning. It is extremely important to discuss that as well. I agree that the structuring of the arcs have felt to be falling short on two things. The increasing panel time to remind people of things already shown, which then impedes on showing other details. I am also on the boat that because of the potential for One Piece to be even bigger than it is there will be events that will be highlighted more than others, which I think is also okay at this point. Unfortunately, it seems that the reminders are the ones filling up those spots.
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@Count:
Oh wait, no. Did I say Big Mom? I meant Smoothie. XD
Why not all 4 of them chasing Nami, Chopper and Carrot?
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Another question.Armanent HAKI protects you from all sorts of things amongst others HEAT. I personally find it strange Pedro didnt coat his sword with it, while blocking a top tier Big Mom pirate member.
Oh and P.S. I absolutely love the new "cover story" and the direction Oda will go with this!
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Another question.Armanent HAKI protects you from all sorts of things amongst others HEAT. I personally find it strange Pedro didnt coat his sword with it, while blocking a top tier Big Mom pirate member.
Pedro knows Armament?
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I would definitely figure he does considering the level of a fighter he is portrayed to be
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Haki protects against heat? When was that shown?
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Panel 2 p.17 says hello : they do seem to come and go as they please. Or made short work of whoever was fighting them a moment before, which won't improve the BM pirates' already low credentials.
I'm not saying this doesn't make sense, mind. Jinbe is a former Warlord and Pedro is a top tier Mink warrior, so they should be able to fend off most of Big Mom's underlings. The fact that they can move around without anyone else engaging them, however, still does a lot to decrease the tension.
Oh, didn't see them in the background. I do agree to an extent that the tension is decreased in the latter part of the chapter, but in more of a calm before the storm kind of way before things really start to get messy.
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If Judge isn't really acting then i would say Oda did a silly job with him.
More like he did his job with him. The intent was never for Judge to be portrayed as a badass warrior, the intent was for him to be a prideful jerkass who thinks he's all that and doesn't give a shit about other people if they're not serving him. Most people just thought his "break the haughty" moment would come from a fight with Sanji and not a situation where Sanji would rescue them. To me, the latter works a lot better in this regard.
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The image of Big Mom happily chasing after Nami and co. only to be taken down in comical fashion while her sons fight actual main battles will now forever be engrained in my memory. Thank you.
Why not all 4 of them chasing Nami, Chopper and Carrot?
Oda can write this like one of those comedic chase scenes in Scooby Doo. Just replace the doors with Brulee's mirror portals.
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Pedro knows Armament?
He's an elite fighter from Zou, it's logical to assume he could use it.
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@Count:
Oda can write this like one of those comedic chase scenes in Scooby Doo. Just replace the doors with Brulee's mirror portals.
And the true mastermind behind all of this is none other than…
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@Count:
Oda can write this like one of those comedic chase scenes in Scooby Doo. Just replace the doors with Brulee's mirror portals.
That alone would make this the best arc in the whole manga. We would need a BGM with Carrot singing "Garchu-chu-chu", though.