The artist behind Ask Perospero and I went to Iscribble to try and guess how Katakuri looks under the scarf :)
My bet is on "the zebra" awesome sketches as per usual btw.
The artist behind Ask Perospero and I went to Iscribble to try and guess how Katakuri looks under the scarf :)
My bet is on "the zebra" awesome sketches as per usual btw.
Haha… Man like Yonji tryna get close to Stussy there eyy.. hmm you dirty dog (speaking of dogs, a pug in OP, awesome :happy:)
Peclo I love you already; morticians are definitely allowed to celebrate weddings! (Even more red ones)
Make friends with CC!
The artist behind Ask Perospero and I went to Iscribble to try and guess how Katakuri looks under the scarf :)
Momma's boy is an absolute winner. Awesome.
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with some glaring issues even Oda's acknowledged. (Rebecca, Bellamy, & pacing chiefly)
He did? What did he say? I'm not big on Rebecca although I don't dislike her, and I absolutely loved all of Bellamy's stuff. All of it.
No comments on Smoothie's drink choices?
No comments on Smoothie's drink choices?
It's fucked up for sure but that's the point. They're not even batting an eye to this shit, which is why I think Oda put a lava rock there. Any of us would probably choose the lava rock juice out of the three because it's the one that's not living (minus the people who'd choose the woman of course :^) ) but these guys don't care.
Jinbe just casually attacking Big Mom's minions stating it was a rebellion did seem a little off to me. Like does that just take care of the joining issue? Obviously it didn't but now this chapter is giving me an idea of what to expect with Jinbe finally joining the crew officially. Many people wondered how Oda could live up to the transfusion scene or surpass it and now with this chapter and Jinbe's words with Aladin it's looking to me like Jinbe's ready to die attitude may have some Mamboshi/Rioboshi styled trauma behind it.
Back in the Marinford days I remember a lot of complaining about Jinbe's catch phrase, we could very well look back after this arc is said and done and look at Jinbe in a new light. Him ready to die for someone so willingly could be a quirk that soon gets hammered down a bit by Luffy during some emotional scene between the two.
I'm still needing a sad backstory and personal dream for Jinbe, I honestly can't love him any more than I already do and I really want him to join the crew but not without these two things. Otohime and Fisher Tiger was sad but IMO that's not good enough. Those events had more to do with FI itself rather than any one particular individual. The only thing we have so far on either is the Otohime/Tiger stuff for a sad backstory, and Hack offhandedly mentioning Jinbe's dream being "peace between humans and merfolk" or something like that…..I think either is too weak for a potential straw hat. Up until this point in the story, every Straw Hat had a sad backstory but the one who had the least sad was arguably Sanji. I mean he went through hell starving on a rock with Zeff, and Zeff did sacrifice his leg, but at least Zeff is still alive and this makes Sanji unique since his loved one is actually still alive. However now we know that his true backstory is actually quite fucked up so I just really hope we see something similar for Jinbe.
I'm still needing a sad backstory and personal dream for Jinbe, I honestly can't love him any more than I already do and I really want him to join the crew but not without these two things. Otohime and Fisher Tiger was sad but IMO that's not good enough. Those events had more to do with FI itself rather than any one particular individual. The only thing we have so far on either is the Otohime/Tiger stuff for a sad backstory, and Hack offhandedly mentioning Jinbe's dream being "peace between humans and merfolk" or something like that…..I think either is too weak for a potential straw hat. Up until this point in the story, every Straw Hat had a sad backstory but the one who had the least sad was arguably Sanji. I mean he went through hell starving on a rock with Zeff, and Zeff did sacrifice his leg, but at least Zeff is still alive and this makes Sanji unique since his loved one is actually still alive. However now we know that his true backstory is actually quite fucked up so I just really hope we see something similar for Jinbe.
I don't really think Jinbe's backstory can be elaborated on. He may not have had as major a role in the Fishman Island flashback as the other Straw Hats, but it's been made very evident how that backstory shaped his outlook on life and his goals. He's also a unique one in that he's gotten to receive quite a bit of development in the present before joining the crew, which is interesting to see. So to me his story is quite deep enough to make him an interesting addition to the crew.
And I would wager that Jinbe's flashback was sadder than both Usopp's and Zoro's. Especially Usopp's, as even though his dad left and his mom died, he lived a pretty normal life in a normal village, not even to mention that aforementioned sad moment of his mom dying came from natural causes and was contained in one page. And Zoro did lose his friend, but it only led him to keep doing what he was doing before, just harder. Contrast that to Jinbe, who lost both his captain and his queen in a movement to end an era of oppression that was seen in quite a bit of detail in the Fishman Island, and even in other parts of the series to boot. Quite heavy stuff.
@Kaido:
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you on all points. Firstly, Zoro and Usopp get a bit of a pass at least from me because they're early crewmembers from before One Piece even had 40 chapters to its name or something. We can forgive Zoro and Usopp for having comparatively weaker backstories because of this. But even beyond that, the thing is, that their backstories even if they're "weak" at least they're still -highly personal-. Jinbe's just -isn't-. At least to me. I totally agree that Jinbe has more than enough backstory for him to be a compelling person in terms of addition to the crew, but I still just don't think it's enough. You're right that Jinbe lost his captain and queen which is sad, but EVERYONE on FI felt sad about Otohime and all the Sun Pirates felt bad about Tiger. Do you see what I'm getting at here? Otohime and Tiger are NOT Jinbe's people. I refuse to see them like that, because to me I feel they're supposed to represent more than just Jinbe. I need something personal for the man, himself, beyond the scope of his race. Jinbe should be more than just his race. But the thing is, Jinbe's lived a long time so I'm sure there's still stuff we don't know about him. I'm just praying Oda uses this already-fantastic arc to flesh Jinbe out even more and make his official joining that much better. I'm telling you, I'm so sure of it I'd put money on it, that we've still yet to see Jinbe's actual personal backstory and more importantly what his dream is. The thing is, people here already pointed out how Jinbe's suicidal nature wasn't really present for Otohime or Tiger the same way it is for Luffy, so maybe that "quirk" of being so reckless in wanting to die for Luffy stems from a sad backstory that'll be resolved by the end of the arc?
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Well, yeah, pretty sure that's what's gonna need to happen if eeeeveryone wants to get out of there alive.
I guess when everything is destroyed,Sanji will create a dessert that will bring back childhood memory of Big Mam and everybody will go to La La Land..:happy:
Sorry but I have to disagree with you on all points. Firstly, Zoro and Usopp get a bit of a pass at least from me because they're early crewmembers from before One Piece even had 40 chapters to its name or something. We can forgive Zoro and Usopp for having comparatively weaker backstories because of this. But even beyond that, the thing is, that their backstories even if they're "weak" at least they're still -highly personal-. Jinbe's just -isn't-. At least to me. I totally agree that Jinbe has more than enough backstory for him to be a compelling person in terms of addition to the crew, but I still just don't think it's enough. You're right that Jinbe lost his captain and queen which is sad, but EVERYONE on FI felt sad about Otohime and all the Sun Pirates felt bad about Tiger. Do you see what I'm getting at here? Otohime and Tiger are NOT Jinbe's people. I refuse to see them like that, because to me I feel they're supposed to represent more than just Jinbe. I need something personal for the man, himself, beyond the scope of his race. Jinbe should be more than just his race. But the thing is, Jinbe's lived a long time so I'm sure there's still stuff we don't know about him. I'm just praying Oda uses this already-fantastic arc to flesh Jinbe out even more and make his official joining that much better. I'm telling you, I'm so sure of it I'd put money on it, that we've still yet to see Jinbe's actual personal backstory and more importantly what his dream is. The thing is, people here already pointed out how Jinbe's suicidal nature wasn't really present for Otohime or Tiger the same way it is for Luffy, so maybe that "quirk" of being so reckless in wanting to die for Luffy stems from a sad backstory that'll be resolved by the end of the arc?
The thing about Jimbei is that his personality quirks and dreams are all about being selfless and thinking about his race as a whole. That is what makes him a unique character and Straw Hat. I would love to see more personal stuff for him that he can own alone and almost nobody else, but everything we've seen so far works for what his personality and aspirations are meant to embody.
Sorry but I have to disagree with you on all points. Firstly, Zoro and Usopp get a bit of a pass at least from me because they're early crewmembers from before One Piece even had 40 chapters to its name or something. We can forgive Zoro and Usopp for having comparatively weaker backstories because of this. But even beyond that, the thing is, that their backstories even if they're "weak" at least they're still -highly personal-. Jinbe's just -isn't-. At least to me. I totally agree that Jinbe has more than enough backstory for him to be a compelling person in terms of addition to the crew, but I still just don't think it's enough. You're right that Jinbe lost his captain and queen which is sad, but EVERYONE on FI felt sad about Otohime and all the Sun Pirates felt bad about Tiger. Do you see what I'm getting at here? Otohime and Tiger are NOT Jinbe's people. I refuse to see them like that, because to me I feel they're supposed to represent more than just Jinbe. I need something personal for the man, himself, beyond the scope of his race. Jinbe should be more than just his race. But the thing is, Jinbe's lived a long time so I'm sure there's still stuff we don't know about him. I'm just praying Oda uses this already-fantastic arc to flesh Jinbe out even more and make his official joining that much better. I'm telling you, I'm so sure of it I'd put money on it, that we've still yet to see Jinbe's actual personal backstory and more importantly what his dream is. The thing is, people here already pointed out how Jinbe's suicidal nature wasn't really present for Otohime or Tiger the same way it is for Luffy, so maybe that "quirk" of being so reckless in wanting to die for Luffy stems from a sad backstory that'll be resolved by the end of the arc?
Since you mention Jinbe needing to have something more personal than being the "fishman representative", remember there is one weird thing about him exactly because it doesn't fit fishmen: he can talk to fish. This is one aspect of him that was shown before, its uniqueness was pointed out by Croc, but even after the flashback we didn't got a hint of its origins. So maybe his personal flashback is related to that.
I don't know if it needs to be dramatic this time, just perhaps, 'meaningful' to the parties involved.
If, for example, my theory for the arc turns out to be right, it creates an excellent opportunity for Mom to show the side of her that Oda might be holding back.
But, we know this going in, don't we? Just like Moscato has been saved (off screen) the same will happen here.
Well, if Big Mom kills Pudding by mistake during one of her cravings, which will obviously happen due to the cake blowing up with the Tamatebako, that will definitely cause all the memories to go back to normal, including the reveal that Big Mom never actually hated Lola, and that Pudding was the one that escaped the marriage. Hmmmm, I like this theory so far, because regardless of what people think, I still have some hope that this arc will end without really defeating an emperor, and this theory fits into my criteria, but still, something's missing.
Please note, this is actually a theory I came up with, and I just get the feeling that Greg implies that he has what looks like the same theory as mine.:ninja:
I'd totally love if Jinbei had his own personalized extended backstory just as much as anyone else, but the thing about him is that he's always bases his judgement around the greater good of everyone else, including his own race. That's just the way his personality rolls. It's because of Tiger and Otohime's sacrifices that Jinbei is who he is currently in the story. If it wasn't for them, he'd probably be just another human-detesting shark fishman.
Well, if Big Mom kills Pudding by mistake during one of her cravings, which will obviously happen due to the cake blowing up with the Tamatebako, that will definitely cause all the memories to go back to normal, including the reveal that Big Mom never actually hated Lola, and that Pudding was the one that escaped the marriage. Hmmmm, I like this theory so far, because regardless of what people think, I still have some hope that this arc will end without really defeating an emperor, and this theory fits into my criteria, but still, something's missing.
Please note, this is actually a theory I came up with, and I just get the feeling that Greg implies that he has what looks like the same theory as mine.:ninja:
You're close! Very close! But I don't think Pudding will die. There are defintely some strong candidates for the memory reveal that don't call for Sugar Part 2.
Ilike that train of thought though! Keep it up!
Well, if Big Mom kills Pudding by mistake during one of her cravings, which will obviously happen due to the cake blowing up with the Tamatebako, that will definitely cause all the memories to go back to normal, including the reveal that Big Mom never actually hated Lola, and that Pudding was the one that escaped the marriage. Hmmmm, I like this theory so far, because regardless of what people think, I still have some hope that this arc will end without really defeating an emperor, and this theory fits into my criteria, but still, something's missing.
Please note, this is actually a theory I came up with, and I just get the feeling that Greg implies that he has what looks like the same theory as mine.:ninja:
Luffy can ruin the cake with his stomach, I'm more of the idea the Tamatebako will make Pudding faint.
Any thoughts on this half of the crew gaining higher bounties after this? I'm wondering because of the head of the World Economic News being present. I imagine Sanji's cooking will save the day and Big Mom will be a little less antagonistic once fake memories start to evaporate. Physical clashes are bound to happen though especially with Sanji VS his brothers that could be taken into account once reported. If things get reported of course which they probably won't, especially if Big Bird wants to keep Germa's reputation in a positive light. So uh never mind? Too soon since Dressrosa and Wano around the corner anyway.
Any thoughts on this half of the crew gaining higher bounties after this? I'm wondering because of the head of the World Economic News being present. I imagine Sanji's cooking will save the day and Big Mom will be a little less antagonistic once fake memories start to evaporate. Physical clashes are bound to happen though especially with Sanji VS his brothers that could be taken into account once reported. If things get reported of course which they probably won't, especially if Big Bird wants to keep Germa's reputation in a positive light. So uh never mind? Too soon since Dressrosa and Wano around the corner anyway.
When is sanji going to cook? The wedding starts and once they go for the kill, even if plan fails, it will be war. No time for cooking lol
Any thoughts on this half of the crew gaining higher bounties after this? I'm wondering because of the head of the World Economic News being present. I imagine Sanji's cooking will save the day and Big Mom will be a little less antagonistic once fake memories start to evaporate. Physical clashes are bound to happen though especially with Sanji VS his brothers that could be taken into account once reported. If things get reported of course which they probably won't, especially if Big Bird wants to keep Germa's reputation in a positive light. So uh never mind? Too soon since Dressrosa and Wano around the corner anyway.
OMG!! how I didn't think about this before, LOL. food lover and best cook, I'been focusing too much in other things.
btw I think Sanji's brothers are small fry, he's gotta go for Judge:ninja:
@uniaka:
When is sanji going to cook? The wedding starts and once they go for the kill, even if plan fails, it will be war. No time for cooking lol
Since most of BM Pirates attack using food, there will be plenty of chances to cook once the fight start.
@uniaka:
When is sanji going to cook? The wedding starts and once they go for the kill, even if plan fails, it will be war. No time for cooking lol
I think is based on Greg's theory about Pudding. She probably modified Momma's memories and if she finds out thanks to the SH's, she could very likely calm her anger against them.
@Count:
The thing about Jimbei is that his personality quirks and dreams are all about being selfless and thinking about his race as a whole. That is what makes him a unique character and Straw Hat. I would love to see more personal stuff for him that he can own alone and almost nobody else, but everything we've seen so far works for what his personality and aspirations are meant to embody.
Normally I agree with you on most of your points, but I don't agree with you here. A character is not unique simply because they lack something that every other member has. They're not unique by disassociation, and this does not exempt Jinbe from needing a personal sad backstory and dream. You have to understand, the reason I'm so hell bent on this is because of shit like Brook's and Franky's. Franky's backstory is probably my personal favorite, because not only is it HEARTBREAKING but it also fits very well into the overall plot of One Piece. In terms of execution, it's flawless. Brook's is highly tragic as well and I don't think half the people out there would like Brook as much without it. That's what I'm trying to say, you have all these anti-Jinbe dudes and they KNOW they like Jinbe but they don't want him to be a straw Hat. They don't know what it is about him, they can't put their finger on it, but they just don't like him as a Straw Hat. I'm telling you, this is why. Even Robin didn't feel like a fully fleshed out SH before her backstory was revealed, why should Jinbe be an exception to this?
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I LOVE Jinbe. I just would love him 10x more if he had a backstory and dream on par with the others.
Everyone just wants Pudding to be evil final villain of the arc ;-;
@uniaka:
With luffy and capone going for her neck, I don't see what memories of pudding will make BM go like:'' guys, let's put this on hold while I deal with pudding…''
Then you need to check the theory. Someone else and not Lola could've been the one who ruined Big Mom's chance of allying with the strongest kingdom in the world:ninja:
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Everyone just wants Pudding to be evil ;-;
whaaat, she's evil. and I like her better, she was boring af when acting nice.
I revised it .
Then you need to check the theory. Someone else and not Lola could've been the one who ruined Big Mom's chance of allying with the strongest kingdom in the world:ninja:
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Still, seems like something she could deal after this wedding, not with capone pointing the gun at her. And I still don't think she will punish Pudding much, since her race ability(read poneglyphs) is her only way to raftel.
@uniaka:
Still, seems like something she could deal after this wedding, not with capone pointing the gun at her. And I still don't think she will punish Pudding, since her race abillity is her only way to raftel.
Well is not like Capone's plan is gonna fail or something:ninja:
Normally I agree with you on most of your points, but I don't agree with you here. A character is not unique simply because they lack something that every other member has. They're not unique by disassociation, and this does not exempt Jinbe from needing a personal sad backstory and dream. You have to understand, the reason I'm so hell bent on this is because of shit like Brook's and Franky's. Franky's backstory is probably my personal favorite, because not only is it HEARTBREAKING but it also fits very well into the overall plot of One Piece. In terms of execution, it's flawless. Brook's is highly tragic as well and I don't think half the people out there would like Brook as much without it. That's what I'm trying to say, you have all these anti-Jinbe dudes and they KNOW they like Jinbe but they don't want him to be a straw Hat. They don't know what it is about him, they can't put their finger on it, but they just don't like him as a Straw Hat. I'm telling you, this is why. Even Robin didn't feel like a fully fleshed out SH before her backstory was revealed, why should Jinbe be an exception to this?
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I LOVE Jinbe. I just would love him 10x more if he had a backstory and dream on par with the others.
I get what argument you're trying to say in how a character lacking a specific element does not actually make them unique on their own as much as just being a blander foil. But Jimbei's selflessness isn't a lack of qualitative uniqueness. It's a literal feature that nobody else in the Straw Hats has to such an extreme. It's almost like a superhero is joining a selfish group like the Straw Hat Pirates. Like how Robin was a shady assassin and how Franky is a quirky gang boss, except this time aimed at the other direction. I know this is why people don't like Jimbei. But guess what? If you look back at older threads for Franky and Brook being potential candidates, people would try to say that their flashbacks were more about Galley-La/Water 7 and Yorkie/Rumbar Pirates than actually being tales solely focused around them. Jimbei's obviously more of an extreme, but he compensates for that in how as a prominent figure int he lore of One Piece, he has been the most built-up Straw Hat in present time prior to their joining in what he has committed.
Jimbei is basically another "Robin". A highly unorthodox cast member joining more because of their relevance in the overall scope of One Piece's plot whose character built-up over time rather than being a really cool arc-contained character with the typical dream and flashback during their introductory arc. I don't disagree with you at all that Jimbei doesn't play much of a centric role in his flashback and is even expandable to a degree. But that's because of how unique he is as a character, built-up figure, and the type of subplot he represents in One Piece's narrative in regards to Human-Fishman Relations (whereas Robin is focused on Poneglyphs/Void Century. Nobody else's dreams and connections are this recurringly important in the overall plot besides Luffy's, and a little bit towards Zoro because of Oda's swordsmen fetish). The other Straw Hats practically feel like barebones standard arc allies without their flashbacks, while Jimbei has enough relevance in the present plot to compensate for that.
Jimbei does not really NEED his backstory and dream to be personal, as entertaining as that might be. He just needed a flashback and a dream as the bare minimum (with authenticity, of course. People claiming that Carrot wanting to see the world counts as a valid dream is a joke due to being so bland and redundantly repeating one of Chopper's), and those being geared towards selfless events and goals are absolutely valid callings that people can follow (like becoming a policeman, fire fighter, Civil Rights leader, ambassador, etc). People can gain fulfillment from helping others, not just themselves. That is a very admirable passion. Pure selfishness and lack of a societal connection is merely the pattern we've gotten used to and Oda decided to turn it on its head to make Jimbei a unique crew member. And it excellently fits in with how meeting Luffy and the Straw Hats has been tempting Jimbei to become more selfish over time. That's a really good testament to how the Straw Hats work as a unit and adds a neat dynamic we haven't really seen before.
Another character's attributes shouldn't be used to disparage another character when they have attributes that make up in other things and center around different circumstances. That's like how immature dolts dislike Usopp because he's not as strong as most of the other crewmates and isn't often a serious character even though he is meant to contribute by being a flawed everyman character and delivers lots of comedic relief and impressive sniping/bravery feats for someone of his disposition.
@Count:
I get what argument you're trying to say in how a character lacking a specific element does not actually make them unique on their own as much as just being a blander foil. But Jimbei's selflessness isn't a lack of qualitative uniqueness. It's a literal feature that nobody else in the Straw Hats has to such an extreme. It's almost like a superhero is joining a selfish group like the Straw Hat Pirates. Like how Robin was a shady assassin and how Franky is a quirky gang boss, except this time aimed at the other direction. I know this is why people don't like Jimbei. But guess what? If you look back at older threads for Franky and Brook being potential candidates, people would try to say that their flashbacks were more about Galley-La/Water 7 and Yorkie/Rumbar Pirates than actually being tales solely focused around them. Jimbei's obviously more of an extreme, but he compensates for that in how as a prominent figure int he lore of One Piece, he has been the most built-up Straw Hat in present time prior to their joining in what he has committed.
Jimbei is basically another "Robin". A highly unorthodox cast member joining more because of their relevance in the overall scope of One Piece's plot whose character built-up over time rather than being a really cool arc-contained character with the typical dream and flashback during their introductory arc. I don't disagree with you at all that Jimbei doesn't play much of a centric role in his flashback and is even expandable to a degree. But that's because of how unique he is as a character, built-up figure, and the type of subplot he represents in One Piece's narrative in regards to Human-Fishman Relations (whereas Robin is focused on Poneglyphs/Void Century. Nobody else's dreams and connections are this recurringly important in the overall plot besides Luffy's, and a little bit towards Zoro because of Oda's swordsmen fetish). The other Straw Hats practically feel like barebones standard arc allies without their flashbacks, while Jimbei has enough relevance in the present plot to compensate for that.
Excellent. Now I see why you earned your star so quickly. So let me respond in kind. I should apologize for not properly being able to earlier, since I'm at work. Anyway, I have a theory and it may not be true, but what I was trying to say is that, I don't think people dislike Jinbe as a Straw Hat because of his nature. I honestly think it's because they recognize the fact he doesn't have a sad backstory and dream, which is something that helps a character "click" as a Straw Hat. I don't think anyone should be an exception to this, honestly. Even if it's "weak" like Zoro's and Usopp's I'll take it. Now I think the most interesting thing is that you and I are actually both very big fans of Jinbe. As a character, I actually don't have anything negative to say about him. At the same time, I cannot say that for me his prominence in the story or his excellent build up overshadows the impact that a personal backstory and dream could have on the character. He's so, so deserving of being a SH and even back during FI I made a long post trying to defend his inclusion because I honestly believed he was a perfect Straw Hat. Which I still do, I just think he's missing a few components, which I think Oda will actually elaborate on in the future!
Jimbei does not really NEED his backstory and dream to be personal, as entertaining as that might be. He just needed a flashback and a dream as the bare minimum, and those being geared towards selfless events and goals are absolutely valid callings that people can follow (like becoming a policeman, fire fighter, Civil Rights leader, ambassador, etc). People can gain fulfillment from helping other, not just themselves. That is a very admirable passion. Selfishness the pattern we've gotten used to and Oda decided to turn it on its head to make Jimbei a unique crew member. And it excellently fits in with how meeting Luffy and the Straw Hats has been tempting Jimbei to become more selfish over time. That's a really good testament to how the Straw Hats work as a unit and adds a neat dynamic we haven't really seen before.
Another character's attributes shouldn't be used to disparage another character when they have attributes that make up in other things and center around different circumstances. That's like how immature dolts dislike Usopp because he's not as strong as most of the other crewmates and isn't often a serious character even though he is meant to contribute by being a flawed everyman character and delivers lots of comedic relief and impressive sniping/bravery feats for someone of his disposition.
Yes, he does. He really, really does. For me, anyway. Nami is a fucking twat sometimes with her money grubby nature, but I can forgive every instance of it because of her childhood. Usopp's lies get fucking annoying, but it's hard to blame him given what we know. Sanji's respect for food gets doubly dosed in both of his flashbacks. Also, this is just my personal opinion, but I think you're reading too much into Jinbe a bit. You're saying that he's Oda's attempt at subverting his own formula but I just don't think this is true at all. What I'm trying to say is that, as a character Jinbe is about as good as it gets. In terms of plot permanence, in terms of actual integrity and character and design everything is flawless about him for me. But at the same time, I cannot ever agree that Jinbe's heavy prominence and flawless characterization makes up for lack of a personal backstory and dream. You're talking about how selfless Jinbe is, but everyone and their mother this arc is calling Sanji the nicest sweetest most selfless guy there is. And this dude got TWO backstories. Jinbe can't even get one? At the end of the day, the backstory for me is not to give me an idea of Jinbe's character, because I already know it. It's to get me to FEEL for him, which honestly I just don't. Look at Robin. We already knew Robin's character beforehand, for two arcs. But her backstory hit so, SO hard right in the gut and I don't think there's a single person out there who didn't immediately think of Robin differently after seeing it. That's what a backstory is, or what it should be. Something to take an already great character and just elevate them that little much more. And that's the thing. That's the gap. The gap that separates a regular character from a main character Straw Hat. We can say that Jinbe's plot importance and impact on the story makes up for this, but I honestly don't think it does. Sorry this ended up being way more jumbled than I intended. Will be willing to get more into it in a cleaner fashion once I get home from work.
Still waiting for that Bomb from Fishman Island…lol
Excellent. Now I see why you earned your star so quickly. So let me respond in kind. I should apologize for not properly being able to earlier, since I'm at work. Anyway, I have a theory and it may not be true, but what I was trying to say is that, I don't think people dislike Jinbe as a Straw Hat because of his nature. I honestly think it's because they recognize the fact he doesn't have a sad backstory and dream, which is something that helps a character "click" as a Straw Hat. I don't think anyone should be an exception to this, honestly. Even if it's "weak" like Zoro's and Usopp's I'll take it. Now I think the most interesting thing is that you and I are actually both very big fans of Jinbe. As a character, I actually don't have anything negative to say about him. At the same time, I cannot say that for me his prominence in the story or his excellent build up overshadows the impact that a personal backstory and dream could have on the character. He's so, so deserving of being a SH and even back during FI I made a long post trying to defend his inclusion because I honestly believed he was a perfect Straw Hat. Which I still do, I just think he's missing a few components, which I think Oda will actually elaborate on in the future!
Yes, he does. He really, really does. For me, anyway. Nami is a fucking twat sometimes with her money grubby nature, but I can forgive every instance of it because of her childhood. Usopp's lies get fucking annoying, but it's hard to blame him given what we know. Sanji's respect for food gets doubly dosed in both of his flashbacks. Also, this is just my personal opinion, but I think you're reading too much into Jinbe a bit. You're saying that he's Oda's attempt at subverting his own formula but I just don't think this is true at all. What I'm trying to say is that, as a character Jinbe is about as good as it gets. In terms of plot permanence, in terms of actual integrity and character and design everything is flawless about him for me. But at the same time, I cannot ever agree that Jinbe's heavy prominence and flawless characterization makes up for lack of a personal backstory and dream. You're talking about how selfless Jinbe is, but everyone and their mother this arc is calling Sanji the nicest sweetest most selfless guy there is. And this dude got TWO backstories. Jinbe can't even get one? At the end of the day, the backstory for me is not to give me an idea of Jinbe's character, because I already know it. It's to get me to FEEL for him, which honestly I just don't. Look at Robin. We already knew Robin's character beforehand, for two arcs. But her backstory hit so, SO hard right in the gut and I don't think there's a single person out there who didn't immediately think of Robin differently after seeing it. That's what a backstory is, or what it should be. Something to take an already great character and just elevate them that little much more. And that's the thing. That's the gap. The gap that separates a regular character from a main character Straw Hat. We can say that Jinbe's plot importance and impact on the story makes up for this, but I honestly don't think it does. Sorry this ended up being way more jumbled than I intended. Will be willing to get more into it in a cleaner fashion once I get home from work.
I don't know why people don't like Jinbe, he is much like robin/chopper in how he functions within the crew. He supports through his long experience as a pirate, as well as his familiarity with the new world. It is sorely needed so that every story arc is not like the last, where SHs again stumble into trouble and miraculously get themselves out. With jimbei in the crew it will help to shape the stories differently, in a way that I think is sorely needed. I love one piece, but I'm definitely tired of the crew stumbling into a place, happening to meet -just- the character who is the center of the plot on that island, and luffy happening to care enough to act, and somehow the pieces falling into place so that he defeats the main person controlling said island. Its very tired, extremely tired. With Jimbei he will ask Luffy pointed questions, and be able to formulate plans, and help the crews efforts be more pointed. On top of adding an extremely capable combatant.
As far as jimbei's hopes and dreams, I think he has lived a life heavily stifled by his responsibilities. In the SHs he will be still be responsible, but with the overall quirkyness it will free him abit and force him to be more selfish like they are. Similar to how Law fell into their pace, Jimbei will too and hilarity will ensue. I can't wait to see more sh like jimbei, people will grow to love him. I've liked his very strict character for a while, and his big brother nurturing ways. He appeals to me as a big brother myself.
I am just happy about my bae being on the cover, its been too long. Dogtooth's haki is op, Didn't sanji learn some haki was hi observation or the hardening one? Man the three commanders look like normal people and this makes me happy. I do love my normal edgelord designs.
Man smoothie just lookin immaculate this chapter, serving up whole humans to drink? Oda is a nut.
Alladin is a bro, and i love his big headed wife. I love large people in op world.
Even though I love Jinmbei, I kinda don't like him saying the same thing every time about putting his life on the line to do something…Idno it kind of bothered me...seen him do that before too lol :\ cuz as a Pirate your life is on the line at all times.
@uniaka:
When is sanji going to cook? The wedding starts and once they go for the kill, even if plan fails, it will be war. No time for cooking lol
EXACTLY!!!
So how are they gonna make time!?
Furthermore, think about the scenario, will they have time to be fighting themselves in the midst of an indiscriminate raging Mom!?
@The:
I'd totally love if Jinbei had his own personalized extended backstory just as much as anyone else, but the thing about him is that he's always bases his judgement around the greater good of everyone else, including his own race. That's just the way his personality rolls. It's because of Tiger and Otohime's sacrifices that Jinbei is who he is currently in the story. If it wasn't for them, he'd probably be just another human-detesting shark fishman.
Jimbe's backstory could fit in nicely between scenes of the Reverie and other updates around the world after WCI. We could see why Jimbe has been training since he was a kid, joined the army or whomever he thought could attain his goal on fixing fishmen-human relations. Considering this would be the first time Fishman Island joins the reverie, for his species and Jimbe's dream, it is an important step.
I just wonder if Vasco Shot is involved in Jimbe's past, and if so, if he is a Drunken Fishman karate user.
EXACTLY!!!
So how are they gonna make time!?
Furthermore, think about the scenario, will they have time to be fighting themselves in the midst of an indiscriminate raging Mom!?
I don't know if I'm reading your post wrong, but I hope you're not implying Sanji's only job is to cook while everyone else is busy fighting the yonkou. Because as someone wanting to see Sanji get a good fight for once, that would be very disappointing.
See, there was a lot of bruhaha over 'The Year of Sanji' not being about Sanji but….it was.
I mean, Sanji is the core reason for why everything happened.
Did Oda say it was, "The Year of Sanji Being a Badass"? No, but if Oda meant that Sanji would be a central figure of intrigue and importance, he totally delivered.
This is the problem with fans taking things out of context with their imaginations and not thinking about what is being said.
What has been the Japanese fan base reaction to the year of Sanji?
Crocodile willing to get wet because of a puppy? He has soften up so much since he entered the new world.
Aladdin again allowing Jimbe to act freely, giving Fishman Island time to prepare. Even though this could lead to a war between Fishman Island and Big Mom because of what Luffy is about to do to her tea party. I am still unsure how all of this going to resolve. However, I still believe that Luffy will declare Fishman Island as its territory officially in front of Big Mom by the end of this arc. Were the people in the harbor last night just the fishmen preparing to leave? Or, is another party going to be involved? Now that we know Capone is heading his own operation, I wonder if there will still be a mutiny within the Big Mom crew.
Jimbe explaining the numbers in the roulette was good, and it goes in character that he would never accept to endanger his crew. Big Mom was lenient enough to dismiss/ban Jimbe from her castle after he withdrew his offer. I find it less likely that we will see the end of the conversation between Linlin and Jimbe.
Oda, it is not enough for you to tell me Jimbe will join down the line, it happens after this arc or you are playing weird games. Although many will be happy about the death flags, Jimbe's words would hint more towards the end of the story. Praline being so close to Aladdin's face is hilarious. Pekoms being left there just makes me think we might get a powerful foe storming WCI while all the security is focused on the wedding and Pekom's being the first one to see them.
The panel with Reiju just makes me think that she might ruin the plan when she tries saving Sanji before the kiss.
The underworld brokers. I do not think any of them were shown in the broadcast of punk hazard. From all of them, I could see Morgans(how could people think it was hand-axe Morgan, jajajajaja) and Stussy becoming allies for the Strawhats. The real question is, what do these people offer the One Piece world and how will they be used further down the line. Like Giberson, Umit while I see Peclo going down. Du Feld, what would his business entail.
Well with Morgans there, no need to have Absalom joining the tea party. Oda just reminding everyone that the comic is relevant, and that we will dig into that past pretty soon. WCI would probably last another two months at least.
What an introduction for the last sweet commander. I saw mentions that we have not seen the first daughter of the Charlotte family. Maybe someone above the sweet commanders. I find it odd that a lot of the Big Mom pirates have scars on their faces. Cracker, Brulee and now Potato Starch. Just injuries gained from their life as pirates, or something to do with Big Mom's abusive nature. Another obstacle to overcome, how will they keep his focus away?
A whole new meaning to Smoothie bar. Let the party begin, cheers.
Chances that Mother Carmel is Bonney are high, there is no doubt that their lipstick design is not a coincidence.
I'm not sure if the underworld will actually play a big role in the One Piece story. It is just an element that shows how rich and vast the one piece universe is, and how characters like Joker, Kaido, Big Mom, Wapol, etc are connected. At least showing Morgans' connection to the underworld explains how easy it was for the underworld boss of slavery to have a fake headline within one day detailing his resignation as worldlord of the sea.
I wonder why Oda is completely holding back when it comes to showing what Ichiji can do.
Might be that he is Germa 66 trump card and is above everyone else by quite a margin.. I would like to see him actually holding his own against some absurdly strong enemy.
Somehow I also expect that Germa brothers are trained to fight together, some kind of formation that makes it possible for them to take down even very strong enemies in combo attacks with help of their technology.
Those battle glowes hopefully are not just for show..
My prediction for Ichiji fight during this arc would be Viscount Chick vs Ichiji.
I expect Ichiji to have some Bird devil fruit(hair and bird being symbol of Vinsmokes, Judges legacy in a way). Hint to that might be that he has normal shoes http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/2/2f/Vinsmoke_Ichiji_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/20160905073302
when we see on panels that Niji has them
https://opforum.net/attachments/niji-jpg.2615/
So I imagine that its hint towards Ichiji having ability to fly.
Has to have been, maybe subconsciously, one of the better chapters in a long time just judging by the fact that I read through 15 pages of discussion and felt like it was some of the most civil, fruitful discussion I have ever witnessed in a new chapter thread. And I read them since before I joined up here.
Anywho, I might have missed something while reading through the thread but I haven't seen any mention of or speculation on BigMom's picture. Is there a possibility that the face shown in the picture is someone known to at least Luffy and, by extent, the audience? The scenario I'm imagining looks somewhat like 'Mom throws fits when someone touches the picture, what will her reaction be when Luffy says something negative or at least something not flattering about the person depicted?'
This could likely lead to Mom's strongest outburst ever or something along those lines, which raises the stakes nicely as no one wants to see the same thing happening as when she had her food rage - I feel the 'power' of the outburst has to be a high(er) one if it is to be believed that this outburst will have a significant impact on the tea party. Again, should I have missed the important bits that answer my question I apologize.
@Tamiel:
Jimbe's backstory could fit in nicely between scenes of the Reverie and other updates around the world after WCI. We could see why Jimbe has been training since he was a kid, joined the army or whomever he thought could attain his goal on fixing fishmen-human relations. Considering this would be the first time Fishman Island joins the reverie, for his species and Jimbe's dream, it is an important step.
I just wonder if Vasco Shot is involved in Jimbe's past, and if so, if he is a Drunken Fishman karate user.
I can agree to that. Neptune and Jinbei go way back and we'd most likely see his backstory through the king's perspective. As for Vasco Shot, learning anything on either one of the Blackbeard Pirates would be fine with me.
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@uniaka:
When is sanji going to cook? The wedding starts and once they go for the kill, even if plan fails, it will be war. No time for cooking lol
@.access:
Since most of BM Pirates attack using food, there will be plenty of chances to cook once the fight start.
EXACTLY!!!
So how are they gonna make time!?
Furthermore, think about the scenario, will they have time to be fighting themselves in the midst of an indiscriminate raging Mom!?
I don't know why, but when I see everyone posting about Sanji "cooking", I'm reminded back to when Sanji turned Wanze's Ramen Kenpo into Italian pasta.
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btw yonji is already perving at stussy.
maybe they'll become the new sai and baby5
I wonder if there will be some interaction between Caesar and Stussy. Considering she high likely is the one behind the services of the girls ship.
Like she might say something that exposes his abstractions of funds which, of course, won't make his situation any easier.:happy:
Therefore I'd say there's also some chance that in the worst case she even might factor in the failure of the whole plan.
Has to have been, maybe subconsciously, one of the better chapters in a long time just judging by the fact that I read through 15 pages of discussion and felt like it was some of the most civil, fruitful discussion I have ever witnessed in a new chapter thread.
Anywho, I might have missed something while reading through the thread but I haven't seen any mention of or speculation on BigMom's picture. Is there a possibility that the face shown in the picture is someone known to at least Luffy and, by extent, the audience? The scenario I'm imagining looks somewhat like 'Mom throws fits when someone touches the picture, what will her reaction be when Luffy says something negative or at least something not flattering about the person depicted?'
This could likely lead to Mom's strongest outburst ever or something along those lines, which raises the stakes nicely as no one wants to see the same thing happening as when she had her food rage - I feel the 'power' of the outburst has to be a high(er) one if it is to be believed that this outburst will have a significant impact on the tea party. Again, should I have missed the important bits that answer my question I apologize.
What if I told you it was Shanks?
I don't know if I'm reading your post wrong, but I hope you're not implying Sanji's only job is to cook while everyone else is busy fighting the yonkou. Because as someone wanting to see Sanji get a good fight for once, that would be very disappointing.
Well Sanji can take some hits once in a while but with Big Mom being a… mom and all don't expect Sanji to really join in on that massive brawl where everyone is trying to calm her down. I'm sure he will defend some people and take some of Mama's attacks head on but I can't ever imagine Sanji will join in on the offensive when the opponent is a lady.
I really want Ichiji and Niji to take the hardest foot possible right to the face but if they get decimated by one of Big Mom's attacks while Sanji is able to shrug it off and jump back in for more that might be enough for the audience to know full and well that the failure has completely surpassed his enhanced siblings and father with good old fashioned hard work and effort. Add in to the fact that everyone on the good, bad and medium side will be trying to buy time for Sanji to prepare something that only he could to appease Big Mom, the Vinsmokes will come around to the idea that not only is Sanji physically more powerful than they are but that his kindness in wanting to cook and serve others can actually be an invaluable asset. I don't want them to get all mushy and say it, I just want to know that they know it.
Well Sanji can take some hits once in a while but with Big Mom being a… mom and all don't expect Sanji to really join in on that massive brawl where everyone is trying to calm her down. I'm sure he will defend some people and take some of Mama's attacks head on but I can't ever imagine Sanji will join in on the offensive when the opponent is a lady.
I really want Ichiji and Niji to take the hardest foot possible right to the face but if they get decimated by one of Big Mom's attacks while Sanji is able to shrug it off and jump back in for more that might be enough for the audience to know full and well that the failure has completely surpassed his enhanced siblings and father with good old fashioned hard work and effort. Add in to the fact that everyone on the good, bad and medium side will be trying to buy time for Sanji to prepare something that only he could to appease Big Mom, the Vinsmokes will come around to the idea that not only is Sanji physically more powerful than they are but that his kindness in wanting to cook and serve others can actually be an invaluable asset. I don't want them to get all mushy and say it, I just want to know that they know it.
True, Sanji won't attack Big mom, but her crew will surely be after the guys that tried to assassinate her and he can fight those guys. I doubt that every single enemy will be busy dealing with big mom.
I also find it hard to believe that big moms crew would not be able to hold her down in such a situation, surely Katakuri and Smoothie combined could take her right? I mean if Luffy went berserk, Sanji and Zoro would take him down 2vs1 without too much difficulty.
As for the vinsmokes, honestly I don't think I could be satisfied unless Sanji beats them down or they get killed during the chaos. They have commit too many crimes to get off so easy with simply being proven wrong and then walking out of this arc alive and well.