@Tamiel:
The tooth is never coming back.
It will. A midnight bento snack isn't going to completely heal it.
@Tamiel:
The tooth is never coming back.
It will. A midnight bento snack isn't going to completely heal it.
Judge's face was being overshadowed when he was sleeping…How did I missed that?
Judge's face was being overshadowed when he was sleeping…How did I missed that?
Doflamingo's Sunglasses 2.0.
Wasnt a huge fan of the sanji and luffy talk but you guys helped me see what oda was going for here lol
@Count:
It will. A midnight bento snack isn't going to completely heal it.
I guess Chopper and Sanji will do a combo healing this arc. For Luffy :ninja:
I have a nagging feeling that the Vinsmokes aren't all that we're seeing on the surface. That Oda made it a point to have Homies in that room silently react to the Vinsmokes' conversation seems suspicious.
@Tamiel:
damn poor King Baum not even in death does he get some rest.
Oda loved to pick on poor Baum D:
! Behind Luffy:
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! SUDDEN SWAP
Poor boy D:
@Count:
Doflamingo's Sunglasses 2.0.
It's been 50+ chapters and I'm still mad they gave him another pair
I have a nagging feeling that the Vinsmokes aren't all that we're seeing on the surface. That Oda made it a point to have Homies in that room silently react to the Vinsmokes' conversation seems suspicious.
I want this to be true, but their reactions are so ambiguous they could mean anything. They could just be silently laughing to themselves, or something like that.
I think people have mixed/bad feelings because they're so focused on this one scene that has similarities to 2-3 other major pivots in the series. To me though, it's way better than what I read in the spoilers because of Luffy's expressions–-with the parallels to Sanji feeding a starving person (conjuring up memories of Sanji's very first flashback), let alone that it's his own captain, along with other parallels. I don't understand how people can say they're not emotionally invested, given that. Most importantly, what happens after this point I think will be the most exciting part of the arc, 10x better than anything before it. In all of the preceding "Save me" events in the series, what happens afterward is still hype as hell, but now add on the fact that there are so many conflicting feelings with all involved parties, anything goes at this point.
My main issue is that this whole Vinsmoke Sanji drama is that it happen too late into the story. After arlong park, enies lobby drama, the saboady island separation & the timeskip, a drama involving a crewmate leaving the crew feels redundant.
Oda can be pretty repetitive when it comes to certain plot point but he's able to make it work.
When it comes to Nami & Robin leaving the crew, it was a BIG deal. The whole strawhat crew was involved & they tried their best to retrieve their crewmate. It was also the main event of the entire arc.
For Sanji's case, only half the crew is involved & the other half went off to Wano. It is being treated like a "insignificant side quest" that has to be accomplished before the strawhats take down Kaidou, the main event.
Sanji should be fully aware that his captain will never abandon his crewmate no matter what. So, I didn't really like how Sanji treat Luffy as if he doesn't understand his captain. This chapter is an example of it.
At least, when it comes to Nami & Robin, they weren't that close to Luffy yet so their behaviour make more sense.
Is King Baum actually dead? It seems like he is, but I don't want him to be :( I like King Baum.
@Medical:
Is King Baum actually dead? It seems like he is, but I don't want him to be :( I like King Baum.
King Baum is alive… in your heart.
Or probably with Sogeking in other heart, waiting for the right time to appear again.
Ouch. That punch Luffy gave Sanji just reminded me he's wearing that mask to reduce swelling right. His face is gonna be jacked up.
Also….Is Luffy really going to be missing a tooth forever? Or will it be a temp thing like when Ussopp and Brook lose teeth?
@Medical:
Is King Baum actually dead? It seems like he is, but I don't want him to be :( I like King Baum.
Sadly, we have heard the last of his arborrent puns.
@Count:
It will. A midnight bento snack isn't going to completely heal it.
Right you are. He'll have to consume at least on Goku style giant meat pile for his tooth to regenerate.
My main issue is that this whole Vinsmoke Sanji drama is that it happen too late into the story. After arlong park, enies lobby drama, the saboady island separation & the timeskip, a drama involving a crewmate leaving the crew feels redundant.
Oda can be pretty repetitive when it comes to certain plot point but he's able to make it work.
When it comes to Nami & Robin leaving the crew, it was a BIG deal. The whole strawhat crew was involved & they tried their best to retrieve their crewmate. It was also the main event of the entire arc.
For Sanji's case, only half the crew is involved & the other half went off to Wano. It is being treated like a "insignificant side quest" that has to be accomplished before the strawhats take down Kaidou, the main event.
Sanji should be fully aware that his captain will never abandon his crewmate no matter what. So, I didn't really like how Sanji treat Luffy as if he doesn't understand his captain. This chapter is an example of it.At least, when it comes to Nami & Robin, they weren't that close to Luffy yet so their behaviour make more sense.
he IS aware of that, he never thought that luffy would abandon him, the thing is his own self sacrificical nature and stubborness that was not letting him accept his crew's help, obviously due to his traumatic childhood that let deep scars in his mind, in a way that he doesn't really vallue his life that much, he wanted to deal with the whole thing alone, but he realized he was a fool to believe that and during the whole course of this arc his "empathy" has been kinda crushing him in moments like the Pudding one, so he realizes that, and feels ashamed of it, even though he can't help being this way… which all leads to him explaining the situation to luffy and feeling guily of his past and present decisions, which Luffy shurgs it off obviously
but the thing is that the Sanji's drama is all about Sanji's lack of self worth, why he is like this, and the consequence of this behaviour throughout the story, how will Oda deal with it from now on i don't know, but there is space for development in his character, and it is all welcome imo
I hope Sanji's Brothers won't get a grinch-Treatment, after Sanji saved them ("Suddenly the brothers' hearts became as twice as big as before…") and they miraculously become nice. Would be dull. They still deserve a proper beatup.
But who knows how Bege's Rebellion will Play out. In the end maybe even BM Needs to be saved.
I hope Sanji's Brothers won't get a grinch-Treatment, after Sanji saved them ("Suddenly the brothers' hearts became as twice as big as before…") and they miraculously become nice. Would be dull. They still deserve a proper beatup.
But who knows how Bege's Rebellion will Play out. In the end maybe even BM Needs to be saved.
Sanji will beat some empathy into them
Back then, I did think so. Now I'm quite convinced of the contrary.
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Sure, but it's the context that makes the difference, not just the characters being in the same frame as the big bad. When Bobbin was introduced, we didn't know anything about the Big Mom Pirates, other than that they are a crew of the Yonkou, so probably really strong. We had only seen 4 apart from BM herself: Tamago, Pekoms, Pudding ( who's name we didn't know, but she still became the center off a lot of theory immediately ) and Bobbin. Out of these, Pudding became a central character of the story, Pekoms developed a relationship with the Strawhats and Tamago got his time to shine and develop as well. Bobbin didn't get that and a lot of people were upset with the low bounty that was revealed last week. This part about him getting shot down just deflates his meaning even further, to the point where there isn't really any need for him at all. And just to be clear: I'm not saying I expected Bobbin to be Big Mom's Dragon or whatever. I'm saying he had a set up that required more from the storytelling than him just being shot down in the rain, after having put a few mooks to sleep. Diesel was also incredibly underwhelming. So far the only pirates in Big Mom's crew that look good are the Sweet Commanders, really. And we still don't know much about Smoothie and nothing about Karakuri.
When it came to the weakling trio of Thriller Bark, I don't think anybody ever got the impression that they were going to be dangerous adversaries.
I wouldn't say only the sweet commanders are good-looking. Mont Dor also showed some leading Qualities. A Quality I try to find in Perospero, the 1st son. We haven't even seen BM's 1st daughter (confirmed. Can't tell if she was not in the Meeting room or if Katakuri wasn't in the Meeting room). Like I said, Bobbin is not done for. He is just KO'd for the Moment. I wonder if we'll see all of BM's Kids on Panel or if we have to wait for an artbook to see Oda's Scribbles on them (just like WB's alliance).
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@Long:
Sanji will beat some empathy into them
Or Sanji makes an anti-wanze Treatment with them. So they look on the outside just like they look on the inside. Ugly.
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Speakin of sweet commanders. I just found another similarity between Mr. 3 and Cracker. the 1st two things, that both can produce infinite amount of their stuff (wax and biscuit), then they both make the end of their hair burning. It was clear on Mr. 3, he just had to look like a candle, but it doesn't make sense to make Cracker's hairtails burn.
The 3rd similarity that Ijust thought of is, that both of their "stuffs" have "weakpoints", but those "weakpoints" are opposite.
With Mr. 3's wax the weakpoint was fire, whereas in Cracker's case the weakpoint to his biscuit was water.
Coincidence?
Oh, and both used an "Armor" of their "element" to stand their ground against Luffy.
I'm pointing all that stuff out, cause the talk of this thread is about how "recycled" Sanji's line was (and the Hype-lvl of Bobbin). IMO Cracker is a "recycled" Mr. 3.
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My main issue is that this whole Vinsmoke Sanji drama is that it happen too late into the story. (…)
You can blame the marine photographer 'Attack' for that. If he has taken off the lens-cap to shoot Sanji's pic properly, Judge would have found out earlier about him (he did even with Duval, didn't he?). But if that happened, we would have never met Duval and that was a very funny Moment in the Story.
Ugh, I'm really anxious about the Niji/Nami thing. With the serious sex slave implication at the point of not even considering her as person ("it"/"that") I really want to have Nami deal with him, but since the power gap is really big I'm afraid we will have situation like Niji trying to take Nami by force, her being unable to defend herself and then Sanji arrives to save the day and deal with him so they reconcile. Maybe some readers might find it cool, I would hate it, especially after Nami got her weapon and this arc is supposed to be Sanji rescue, not Nami rescue.
I'm pessimist, but Nami not properly dealing with Absalom still leave a bitter aftertaste in my mouth.
My main issue is that this whole Vinsmoke Sanji drama is that it happen too late into the story. After arlong park, enies lobby drama, the saboady island separation & the timeskip, a drama involving a crewmate leaving the crew feels redundant.
Oda can be pretty repetitive when it comes to certain plot point but he's able to make it work.
When it comes to Nami & Robin leaving the crew, it was a BIG deal. The whole strawhat crew was involved & they tried their best to retrieve their crewmate. It was also the main event of the entire arc.
For Sanji's case, only half the crew is involved & the other half went off to Wano. It is being treated like a "insignificant side quest" that has to be accomplished before the strawhats take down Kaidou, the main event.
Sanji should be fully aware that his captain will never abandon his crewmate no matter what. So, I didn't really like how Sanji treat Luffy as if he doesn't understand his captain. This chapter is an example of it.At least, when it comes to Nami & Robin, they weren't that close to Luffy yet so their behaviour make more sense.
Yes that sums up pretty exactly my thoughts. A post time skip arc should not really have an arc where one of the earliest strawhat questions his place in the crew and is astonished when his captain says he will help him.
The time skip meant that the crew trained for 2 years in order to allow Luffy to become the pirate king and a few days/months after their reunion, we have already a main character who pretend he will quit the crew. Even if it is for false reason and it was not Sanji true feelings that makes absolutely no sense for me story wise.
I had a theory about Lola and Chiffon replacing each other with the help of Pudding's power, but let's set that aside for a minute, because my brain just broke.
Lola and Chiffon are the 21st and 22nd or the 22nd and 23rd children in the family. Based on Prospero (the eldest son) and Brulee (the eldest daughter we've seen so far) appearing to be in their late 50's - early 60's, We can assume that Lola and Chiffon are in their late 30's - Mid 40's.
An indeterminate number of years ago, she ran away from an arranged marriage that would have made Big Mom (or gotten her closer to becoming) the Pirate King.
Based on Pudding's flashback panel with Lola, she looked to be in her late teens, probably around 18-19.
So, let's assume that Lola is 44 now. If she was 18 when she left Totto Land, that was 26 years ago.
26 years ago was the year Roger was on the way to becoming Pirate King. This was also roughly 2 years before Ace was conceived.
An indeterminate period of time ago, Big Mom made a "Mistake" in dealing with Roger that allowed him to get the Road Poneglyph info and continue to Raftel.
Let's see:
A "Mistake" was made that allowed Roger access to a very well guarded treasure of Big Mom's. In general, Totto Land is very highly patrolled and would be certain death for anyone attempting to enter uninvited unless they had a direct route, like the Sanji rescue crew did.
Roger would need access to Whole Cake Chateau (and the Poneglyph) through other means than a direct assault.
A Marriage was planned to form an alliance that would give Big Mom enough power to declare herself "Pirate King".
As has been shown, Married family members and their crews/vassals are allowed free access to Whole Cake Island (The Firetank Pirates, the entire Germa Kingdom).
So, what if… Roger pretended to agree to Marry Lola?
Yes that sums up pretty exactly my thoughts. A post time skip arc should not really have an arc where one of the earliest strawhat questions his place in the crew and is astonished when his captain says he will help him.
The time skip meant that the crew trained for 2 years in order to allow Luffy to become the pirate king and a few days/months after their reunion, we have already a main character who pretend he will quit the crew. Even if it is for false reason and it was not Sanji true feelings that makes absolutely no sense for me story wise.
I had similar thoughts about Sanji giving in himself to BM, yet I explained myself that also his guys in the Baratie are threatened, and the sheer distance makes it hard to protect 'em properly (that also explained his WTF-Face when Vito whispered in his ear @ Zou).
His surprise this chapter really sumhow feels unfitting, but maybe he is just surprised that Luffy is willing to help him after what Sanji did to him and that Luffy is OK with Sanji's wish to save his mean Family. Maybe Sanji didn't know that Luffy saw the Kind Person in Sanji all the time. Cause - let's face it - On the Sunny Sanji treats Nami and Robin nicer than the others.
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@Fire Fist:
I had a theory (…)
So, let's assume that Lola is 44 now. If she was 18 when she left Totto Land, that was 26 years ago.26 years ago was the year Roger was on the way to becoming Pirate King. This was also roughly 2 years before Ace was conceived.
(...)
So, what if... Roger pretended to agree to Marry Lola?
That would make Pudding at least 30 yrs old. I'm not concerned with couples where the Girl is older, but I still doubt she is much older than Sanji.
Maybe Lola was meant to marry Rayleigh or Scopper Gaban (I'd like to see him some day).
Or a high-rank Elbaf-giant. BM really gets pissed when they are mentioned.
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A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
-We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
-We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
-We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
-We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
I think it'll be the former. Remember, Big Mom collects soul fragments from every citizen in Totto Land (minus her children, probably). She probably feeds a good portion of them into herself, meaning that she's either way older than she appears to be (meaning the Tamatebako would have no effect on her), or she's essentially immortal at this point but her physical appearance still ages (Like a reverse Dorian Gray). Either way, All the tamatebako will do is piss her off.
@Fire Fist:
I think it'll be the former. Remember, Big Mom collects soul fragments from every citizen in Totto Land (minus her children, probably). She probably feeds a good portion of them into herself, meaning that she's either way older than she appears to be (meaning the Tamatebako would have no effect on her), or she's essentially immortal at this point but her physical appearance still ages (Like a reverse Dorian Gray). Either way, All the tamatebako will do is piss her off.
Storywise the former does make more sense to excite the audience. About your other Points, I gotta say: What about Zeus, Prometeus and Napoleon? She stated those are literally her souls in those items. Does that mean she Drains her own lifetime to feed them? She might be consuming the people's lifetimes for herself partially, like you said. Would explain how she Looks as Young as her 8th daughter Brulee (who seems already pretty old).
Speakin of sweet commanders. I just found another similarity between Mr. 3 and Cracker. the 1st two things, that both can produce infinite amount of their stuff (wax and biscuit), then they both make the end of their hair burning. It was clear on Mr. 3, he just had to look like a candle, but it doesn't make sense to make Cracker's hairtails burn.
The 3rd similarity that Ijust thought of is, that both of their "stuffs" have "weakpoints", but those "weakpoints" are opposite.
With Mr. 3's wax the weakpoint was fire, whereas in Cracker's case the weakpoint to his biscuit was water.
Coincidence?
Oh, and both used an "Armor" of their "element" to stand their ground against Luffy.
I'm pointing all that stuff out, cause the talk of this thread is about how "recycled" Sanji's line was (and the Hype-lvl of Bobbin). IMO Cracker is a "recycled" Mr. 3.
There's a web of similarities between every character in One Piece. Saying Cracker is exactly the same as Galdino is short-selling both of their characters.
And Cracker's sparking hair is simply a pun on firecracker.
dont forget that in one piece people often dont look like their age. for all we know brulee could be around 30
@Kaido:
There's a web of similarities between every character in One Piece. Saying Cracker is exactly the same as Galdino is short-selling both of their characters.
And Cracker's sparking hair is simply a pun on firecracker.
I try to watch more closely if there is a non-logia df user who can produce an infinite amount of a certain stuff. (Magellan, 3, Kalifa and Cracker). And how Oda handled it that the Doru Doru no mi was a "Nemesis" to Magellan's Doku Doku no mi @ the end of ID. Even if it is a pun to a firecracker, the burning hair still reminds me of 3's hair. And the fact, that both produced "Body doubles" (Cracker used his giant fakes, but still) just makes me think they have a lot in common.
Of course, the vast number of chars Oda has brought up Forces him to make similar chars, but IMO especially These 2 have a lot in common.
A possible outcome I could also imagine during the tea Party: When the tamatebako goes off, what if BM faints in Trauma and shock? I mean, she even dreams of the wedding cake, so when that cake explodes, there can be 2 Scenarios:
-We'll either see an uncomparable outraged BM (survival-Chance for anyone: pretty low)
-We'll see a fainting BM (kinda like Sugar), cause her precious wedding cake is gone for good (survival-Chance for anyone: higher than the one above)
In theory the vinsmokes and Sanji are killed before Big Mum eats the cake or open the tamatebako so something needs to happen before
dont forget that in one piece people often dont look like their age. for all we know brulee could be around 30
Not likely. Considering Big Mom has 84 Children, and it has been established that pregnancies last as long as real world ones (Hence the emphasis on Rouge holding Ace for 20 months), And assuming Big Mom was at least 13 when she started having kids, the youngest she could reasonably be is 76 if none of the children were twins. The only possible twins we've seen are the two male children with balloons and possibly Lola and Chiffon, so shave off 18 months and she'd still be 74-75. That would place Prospero around 61-63, as the Eldest, and Brulee around 53-59 (depending on how many boys were born before her).
^
Naa…Big Mom has multiple uterus and quadruple ovaries.:ninja:
@Count:
That's exactly what I've been trying to say. And it makes sense that Sanji views his empathy as a weakness due to everything up until this point happening because of being extorted by his family, including his interactions with Luffy in their previous meeting. It doesn't help that he was criticized and abused so much by his family because he has compassion uncharacteristic of a royal in how he liked cooking food for others. And he thought that Luffy would judge him for that only to find out that Luffy's completely cool with who he is as a human being (which parallels how Sora and Reiju value Sanji's empathy). He just wanted Sanji to admit he needed help than recklessly sacrifice himself. Which was Sanji indirectly admitting he's expendable and him selfishly making the choice of the people he's trying to protect than even try to tell them about the situation before this chapter.
Basically, Sanji thinks his emotions are a weakness when the message here is that it's what makes Sanji a cool person. Which is what Luffy sees in him and is helping him realize.
And I believe he shouldn't have those doubts about Luffy after the time they spent together. He has known him for longer than 2 weeks.
Bobbin defeated offscreen- extremely anticlimactic and aggravating. I'm actually annoyed by that.
That aside? An okay chapter. Lacking in emotional impact for some reason. That said, very straight forward, get's everything into place. Just..not much happened. But, perhaps chapters like this one are necessary so I'll give it a pass in that regard.
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Is it just me, or does Big Mom's crew suck?
Don't get me wrong, Doflamingo's crew lost relatively easy too (Aside from Doflamingo himself) but COME ON! This is a yonko crew! We HAVE to have more than just Big Mom herself to impress us!
This chapter we had bobbin fall relatively easy. (Sad considering their crew flag looks more like HIM than Big Mom..funny coincidence really.) To be fair, his bounty was low. He was a weakling by new world standards, if his bounty is any indication (though these days it's hard to be sure).
But look back at the previous members and you'll see that they haven't been impressive so far either:
Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!
We haven't seen the rest's true potential yet...but going off of what we've seen so far from various members of the crew (admittedly mostly extras) and the hints we've gotten so far with Smoothie..
I'm extremely worried that the Big Mom crew is just a big joke. Large in numbers, but severely lacking in power individually. (Aside from Big Mom herself, mind.) No wonder Capone could get a spot in it, they're nothing!
Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!
I wouldn't call a twelve hour long battle that he explicitly won only because he had Nami with him and requiring Gear Fourth (I think twice?) as "falling far too easily"
It was "tell don't show" at worst, but Cracker did not fall easily.
And I believe he shouldn't have those doubts about Luffy after the time they spent together. He has known him for longer than 2 weeks.
Just because Sanji knows that doesn't mean he can easily trump his tendency to be selfless and go out of his way to ensure that his friends will not be negatively affected by whatever happens to him. Sanji is so loyal and compassionate to others that watching them get killed because of him is probably his worst nightmare. Which is a result of Zeff's and Luffy's treatment of him compared to Judge's. Even Reiju revealing that his handcuffs were duds and the Zeff situation could be resolved didn't spur Sanji to action until Bobbin caused him to finally act out of emotion.
Simply knowing something doesn't immediately make it easy to go against your true nature.
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Is it just me, or does Big Mom's crew suck?
Don't get me wrong, Doflamingo's crew lost relatively easy too (Aside from Doflamingo himself) but COME ON! This is a yonko crew! We HAVE to have more than just Big Mom herself to impress us!
Doflamingo's crew didn't lose relatively easy. Before Law's flashback, they were fighting quite evenly with the Straw Hats/Colosseum gladiators, and some of them were even dominating, like Machvise and Dellinger. The problem with all the Donquixote Pirate fights was that there were JUST SO MANY OF THEM. Plus, they also had wonky pacing with Law's giant flashback getting placed in between them. After that, getting them defeated became pretty much a necessity, and it took 9 chapters to do that since there were just so many! But overall, most weren't defeated easily at all.
Numerous gladiators were taken out and didn't get to defeat anyone. Hajrudin had his arm shattered. Only maybe Sai, Orlumbus, and Cavendish escaped with few injuries. Diamante may have been a cheating bastard but he used his power effectively, as did Pica. It was the pacing that was the problem, not the strength of the pirates themselves.
This chapter we had bobbin fall relatively easy. (Sad considering their crew flag looks more like HIM than Big Mom..funny coincidence really.) To be fair, his bounty was low. He was a weakling by new world standards, if his bounty is any indication (though these days it's hard to be sure)
By an ambush. Kizaru would have been killed by Apoo's ambush on Sabaody if he wasn't a Logia. Even the strongest can fall prey to these, and it really shouldn't be used to measure how effective they are in battle.
But look back at the previous members and you'll see that they haven't been impressive so far either:
Cracker fell to Luffy far too easily. This character might as well have been a joke villian. If this is a Yonko crew, Luffy should have a lot more trouble against one of the biggest members of a Yonko's crew! (Not saying he couldn't win, only that it shouldn't be as easy as it was.) Hell, the fight was rendered down to an eating joke of all things! Talk about anticlimactic!
Sgamer already addressed this, but yeah Cracker was far from easy. He used his power so effectively that Luffy would have never been able to overcome him without outside help.
We haven't seen the rest's true potential yet…but going off of what we've seen so far from various members of the crew (admittedly mostly extras) and the hints we've gotten so far with Smoothie..
So why are you making this conclusion already? First impressions are not everything, and you're making too big of a complaint with too little proof to back it up.
I'm extremely worried that the Big Mom crew is just a big joke. Large in numbers, but severely lacking in power individually. (Aside from Big Mom herself, mind.) No wonder Capone could get a spot in it, they're nothing!
Keep in mind that "individual power" means different things depending on who's involved. Many of the BM Pirates we've seen have been strong enough to tear through average people and massacre entire islands, but Luffy was able to fight on par with a Sweet Commander, so obviously he wouldn't be threatened by the lower ranking soldiers. The Straw Hats are competent enough to travel through the New World, and so of course they should be able to deal well with at least some of Big Mom's forces. The same was true for the other members of the Worst Generation. Expecting a Yonko's crew to be ENTIRELY above the current Straw Hats is a foolish misconception.
Also, in addition to you making this statement with not very much evidence, what evidence you DO have is not very good. The biggest testament to how powerful the Big Mom Pirates are is that, aside from Cracker, the Straw Hats know just what situation they are in, and all the other enemies they've had to take out have been defeated through planning and ambushes. The only battle besides Cracker that was full-on and didn't involve planning was the battle against the Enraged Army, and you know how that went, right? If the Straw Hats simply took on the BM Pirates right now, even if you took out the Sweet Commanders and Big Mom herself, it would be pretty safe to say that they would lose.
@Kaido:
stuff
Are you working on updating the Love and Loathe?
@Fire Fist:
Not likely. Considering Big Mom has 84 Children, and it has been established that pregnancies last as long as real world ones (Hence the emphasis on Rouge holding Ace for 20 months), And assuming Big Mom was at least 13 when she started having kids, the youngest she could reasonably be is 76 if none of the children were twins. The only possible twins we've seen are the two male children with balloons and possibly Lola and Chiffon, so shave off 18 months and she'd still be 74-75. That would place Prospero around 61-63, as the Eldest, and Brulee around 53-59 (depending on how many boys were born before her).
It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability.
I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
also dont forget cracker and pounds conversation.
pound says "i could be your father"
and cracker answers "you could've been my original" so there is likely some of big moms df involved.
meh, nevermind i looked up the original translation and its different:ninja:
It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability.
I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
Big Mom may just have a shitton of twins, triplets and maybe even quadruplets.
Lola and Chiffon, the younger twins with the balloons, then the triplets (quadruplets?) in white suits we saw back at the minister gathering in 854 and that's only the ones we've seen. I'm sure we'll have tons of her kids revealed at the wedding, and I'm expecting a lot of twins and triplets, which might seem a little cheap but is far more realistic.
In real life the woman with the most kids had countless triplets and twins. (couldn't find an article about the woman herself, found one about her husband though).
Also, let's be honest, coming up with 85 arc-exclusive unique designs after 800+ chapters of the story is pretty tough even for someone as creative as Oda.
regarding talking about ages and time and stuff.
Like everyone else, I was amazed by Brook's line "young lady" to big mom, but after thinking about it. Is Big Mom actually older than Brook? I mean, she has, what?, more than 80 children? and some are old enough to have children of their own?
Brook is 90 by now, so is Brook actually the young lad compared to Big Mom?
@Kaido:
Has it been 72 hours yet?
Heh had to change my time settings to be sure. No I guess it's not on the clock, but what's a few hours anyway? ;)
Luffy has a rubber stomach and Nami was there to soften the biscuits. The battle took a nonstop 11 or 12 hours (you ever try spending 11 to 12 hours doing ONE THING without rest?) so yea I wouldn't say it was an easy fight at all.
Exactly what I wanted to happen
Sanji will go back to big mom and pretend he knows nothing. Brook too maybe.Then on the big day.
-luffy and crew wreck shit
-conspirators wreck shit
-sun pirates wreck shit
-bomb goes off
I would also put money on someone else crashing the party such as fujitora, weevil, blackbeard
Cracker may very well be the strongest enemy Luffy fought so far and, from the looks of it, Luffy would not be able to win against him at all if it was not for Nami's help.
The problem is that all the part when Cracker had the advantage (nearly 12 hours of fight) happened offscreen and we just went back to it to see the 2 minutes when Luffy managed to defeat him with Nami's help.
It's easy to understand why people don't give Cracker much credit. It doesn't matter if he is really strong and the fight was harder than anything Luffy ever did, in the mind of the reader it will still be registered as a minor obstacle because of how it was presented to us.
That's the problem with BM crew, they are supposed to be strong and Oda is telling us all the time they are monsters, but he is never showing that. All of her crew screw ups come with valid reasons to happen, but in the end, even with great reasons behind them, the fact remain we are only seeing the crew failing to do anything right.
So far we are supposed to know the BM pirates are strong, but we are still waiting to see it and in the end of the day it's what is shown that leave an impression on us.
regarding talking about ages and time and stuff.
Like everyone else, I was amazed by Brook's line "young lady" to big mom, but after thinking about it. Is Big Mom actually older than Brook? I mean, she has, what?, more than 80 children? and some are old enough to have children of their own?
Brook is 90 by now, so is Brook actually the young lad compared to Big Mom?
My first answer would have been "no way", but… Come to think of it, if she does have giant blood* she could share their long life. Furthermore, that means she could still be considered a middle-aged individual even after giving birth to her gazillion children, hence why some look older than her. So yes, there is a possibility that she is roughly the same age as Brooks.
@Lao:
Big Mom may just have a shitton of twins, triplets and maybe even quadruplets.
Lola and Chiffon, the younger twins with the balloons, then the triplets (quadruplets?) in white suits we saw back at the minister gathering in 854 and that's only the ones we've seen. I'm sure we'll have tons of her kids revealed at the wedding, and I'm expecting a lot of twins and triplets, which might seem a little cheap but is far more realistic.
In real life the woman with the most kids had countless triplets and twins. (couldn't find an article about the woman herself, found one about her husband though).
Also, let's be honest, coming up with 85 arc-exclusive unique designs after 800+ chapters of the story is pretty tough even for someone as creative as Oda.
Now that you mention it, there's also a guy who has the same bulges on his head as Opera. The one that knocked out Luffy, I think.
Now that you mention it, there's also a guy who has the same bulges on his head as Opera. The one that knocked out Luffy, I think.
There are two of those bulge-headed guys. And when Luffy is trying to find Sanji in the castle, he's strangling a bearded one at the end of a chapter.