@Count:
There are two of those bulge-headed guys. And when Luffy is trying to find Sanji in the castle, he's strangling a bearded one at the end of a chapter.
Oh, right, the other one has haircut like Krusty the clown.
@Count:
There are two of those bulge-headed guys. And when Luffy is trying to find Sanji in the castle, he's strangling a bearded one at the end of a chapter.
Oh, right, the other one has haircut like Krusty the clown.
So I mentioned earlier, but Big Mom was always a dumb for going after the most powerful parts of an army (sacrificing whatever she needs to of her own as well) to just get "fodder technology" when she could have it all.
Also, looking more and more like I'm right in the Poll topic, Big Mom goes down now with an aided Strawhat crew. Anyone want to double down on their wrong bets? :)
It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability. I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
She obviously takes 9 months away from their souls so they immediately age inside her womb and are ready to be born.
She obviously takes 9 months away from their souls so they immediately age inside her womb and are ready to be born.
It doesn't work like that; Pedro doesn't look like he's an old man with a few years left to live. His body is just going to quit on him when it's in its 30s or however old he is.
@Kaido:
It doesn't work like that; Pedro doesn't look like he's an old man with a few years left to live. His body is just going to quit on him when it's in its 30s or however old he is.
Didn't Moscato look older? I know he died but it looked he aged
@Buggy:
Didn't Moscato look older? I know he died but it looked he aged
Nope. He just dropped dead without any visible changes besides his eyes being completely white in a cartoon-y death fashion. You're probably confused because his natural hair color is black and white like mixed ice cream flavors.
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It was established normal pregnancies last 9 months, but BM might be pushing children out a little faster somehow. Or maybe they don't even grow inside her but in something like incubators created with the help of an ability. We only saw hints of her ability. For examples, those shades of hers were only shown once and have disappeared since. There migh be more uses of her ability.
I'm only suggesting this due to sheer number of children.
Also unlikely, due to the fact that Big Mom specifically wants access to the cloning technology of the Germa to make an army. This implies that she has no other reasonable means of making her family or soul beings any larger than they already are either due to lack of souls or simply her advanced age. As she can likely feed souls into herself if necessary, she's probably way older than the 76 prediction, as I doubt Oda would imply a pregnant 13 year old (it's a bit dark for One Piece), and 78-84 back to back pregnancies would kill even the healthiest person in our modern world, so there had to be some time between them.
I have serious issues to believe Moscato is dead, he looked like he fainted only and with the little amount of people who die on screen, non-flashback scenes, his body should be taken care of somewhere…. unless... he's the mastermind:ninja:
I have serious issues to believe Moscato is dead, he looked like he fainted only and with the little amount of people who die on screen, non-flashback scenes, his body should be taken care of somewhere…. unless... he's the mastermind:ninja:
Zepo pretty much confirms Moscato as dead. Plus the BM Pirates are all quite aware of what her power entails, and they pronounced Moscato dead on the scene.
@Kaido:
Zepo pretty much confirms Moscato as dead. Plus the BM Pirates are all quite aware of what her power entails, and they pronounced Moscato dead on the scene.
But Zepo died on flashback, we really don't know if BG really took all Moscato's lifespan left, and people call 'dead' on others all the time in OP :/, he's gon be ok.
@Fire Fist:
Also unlikely, due to the fact that Big Mom specifically wants access to the cloning technology of the Germa to make an army. This implies that she has no other reasonable means of making her family or soul beings any larger than they already are either due to lack of souls or simply her advanced age. As she can likely feed souls into herself if necessary, she's probably way older than the 76 prediction, as I doubt Oda would imply a pregnant 13 year old (it's a bit dark for One Piece), and 78-84 back to back pregnancies would kill even the healthiest person in our modern world, so there had to be some time between them.
She wants the cloning technology but we don't know why specifically. We do know she's had her mind set for an army of giants for a while. And that CC was an objective along with Sanji.
It could mean that she doesn't want the cloning technology for the cloning itself but to make her production of giant army faster or even possible to begin with.
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She obviously takes 9 months away from their souls so they immediately age inside her womb and are ready to be born.
It's a possibility I guess. It's so simple that I've managed to overlook it. Maybe that's why she's so fat. So that she can accomodate the growth of all those different sizes.
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I have a nagging feeling that the Vinsmokes aren't all that we're seeing on the surface. That Oda made it a point to have Homies in that room silently react to the Vinsmokes' conversation seems suspicious.
after re-reading the chapter I also have this suspicion. It's hard to believe that the Vinsmoke would be that naive, and it will add more to the story (they are planning to betray Big Mom from the beginning).
but what their real objective? one that I could think of is the road poneglyph. the Vinsmoke will use that to bargain with WG so they could conquer North Blue without WG interference.
that being said, I am not sure myself because the Vinsmoke never mention their knowledge about road poneglyph, and Reiju should mention this to Sanji when they talk.
so….............
So far, Mont D'Or is probably one of the biggest obstacles the crew has to face until morning. Since I could not figure out whom Bege was with, I was trying to see if I could tell where they were going. I couldn't, but maybe they are going towards Luffy.
I could hate on Opera, but he does seem to be okay after Jimbe's hit, so props to him.
Bounties…looks at Chopper's; were they not a gag? That aside, I hope that next time the crew gets together Franky, Chopper and Sanji will try extra hard to get notoriety to get a higher bounty than God.
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@Count:
It will. A midnight bento snack isn't going to completely heal it.
No meal is going to heal that, but you are right about something too. We shall see the tooth comeback. In flashbacks.
What if Vinsmokes were on a mission from WG to begin with? The more I think about their boasting this chapter, the less those words and Germa's supposed goals have sense. Aren't they a part of WG and mercernaries to begin with? Wouldn't an alliance with an Emperor be also detrimental to their position in NB, up to a point? Because after their supposed alliance, Germa wouldn't be safe from WG any more.
Also, why didn't anyone follow Germa more closely, going over to NW, heading to Totland with their full force, unbothered? You'd think that WG and Marines would take note of one of Emperors getting such reinforcements. It's not something that should be taken lightly, if they are worried about world stability.
What if they were actually hired by WG and promised reign over North Blue, or at least a greater part of it, as a recompense. In return, they help taking BM down or at least weaken her enough that she becomes slim pickings. It would also help partly explain how Sanji's poster was so easilly altered. You'd think the people in charge would wonder what that was about, especially after hearing Germa crossed Red Line. Of course they had to be seen doing it by someone. I doubt WG leaves it unsupervised.
But the problem I see is that it would also mean Capone is working with them, and WG by extension and I have trouble seeing Pez betraying her mother to WG. Of course she's seems to be betraying her to someone either way.
The reason I think Capon would be connected to Germa is that I'm doubting Oda would insert multiple groups trying to take advantage of BM at the same time. But I can't say it's impossible.
I do like both this idea and the idea that some elements inside BM's crew are dissatisfied with how she's doing things.
What if Vinsmokes were on a mission from WG to begin with? The more I think about their boasting this chapter, the less those words and Germa's supposed goals have sense. Aren't they a part of WG and mercernaries to begin with? Wouldn't an alliance with an Emperor be also detrimental to their position in NB, up to a point? Because after their supposed alliance, Germa wouldn't be safe from WG any more.
Also, why didn't anyone follow Germa more closely, going over to NW, heading to Totland with their full force, unbothered? You'd think that WG and Marines would take note of one of Emperors getting such reinforcements. It's not something that should be taken lightly, if they are worried about world stability.
What if they were actually hired by WG and promised reign over North Blue, or at least a greater part of it, as a recompense. In return, they help taking BM down or at least weaken her enough that she becomes slim pickings. It would also help partly explain how Sanji's poster was so easilly altered. You'd think the people in charge would wonder what that was about, especially after hearing Germa crossed Red Line. Of course they had to be seen doing it by someone. I doubt WG leaves it unsupervised.
But the problem I see is that it would also mean Capone is working with them, and WG by extension and I have trouble seeing Pez betraying her mother to WG. Of course she's seems to be betraying her to someone either way.
The reason I think Capon would be connected to Germa is that I'm doubting Oda would insert multiple groups trying to take advantage of BM at the same time. But I can't say it's impossible.I do like both this idea and the idea that some elements inside BM's crew are dissatisfied with how she's doing things.
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aaah It reminds me of Ganfall, The Guerrillas and the Strahats, selflessly joining forces against the Birkans and Enel in particular, that was 3 different parties joining together technically.
Happening again would be pretty fitting if one takes to account how much enemies has every Yonko on their own, so a conflict on which the Big Mom pirates have to take on three different groups at once could be justified by how she have pissed off each of them, by taking Sanji, Trying to kill the nobles of the Germa and (if Capone's intentions are more related to an inside conspiracy) the reason for them would be the family being mistreated.
so far we haven't got any hint that could point towards a secret Germa/Tank Pirates alliance, and even in this last chapter Garuda and his sons were all already talking about how their enemies would do nothing but surrender to BM's flag. So I'm going for Capone being allied with other BM pirates or Charlotte family members themselves.
as for why they decided to act now, it should be for the presence of the Germa 66, whom are all supposed to be killed in the morning, but, if a good quantity of conspirator disobey this order, they could atack BM alongside the betrayed Germa, would also explain as to why they shoot Bobbin, letting a third party(the SH) join the mess, could give them an opening for a save escape afterwards.
@Shobu:
The shadows were obviously Teach, Shiliew and Aokiji, man… you need glasses.
that's true indeed
@Kaido:
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If they are there to fuck up BM, does Sanji really need to know all the details? Plus, they are in BM's territory and little caution couldn't hurt, with all those different DF in the world.
The Vinsmokes are just a bunch of idiots that think too highly of themselves.
Once the wedding get ruined, they'll be running for their lives, including Big Mom's underling.
I can already see fire and lighting raining down all over the island, while Big Mom's on a rampage.
This is delicious, this first half of the arc was incredibly delicious, all the time running around in the seducing woods, the excellent display of genius and threat of Big mom's crew, Brooke showing his fans how he stood up to mom and injured one of her core weapons OFF-PANEL, what about the witty plan on how he rubbed the PG's? He just happened to get them with people watching him. A testimony to his creativity; respect that Brooke fandom. The beautiful tension that surrounded Sanji with the exploding handcuffs, they were not switched with duds either, if he tried anything his death was assured. He would have been blown to smithereens, like literally KABOOM! What about the luffy vs sanji fight, full of GUSTO and zeal?!! Holy pigeon pellets, those two really fought like they were determined in their opposing wills! Jinbei is alive and kicking after surviving the brutal momma's roulette of death, Oda you truly showed us to NEVER and I mean never Cross an Emperor of the seas, danger is real!
Obviously, like Luffy, I' am a LIAR!!!
DON!!!
Also, It's obviously Capone who shot bobbins, another big mom yonkou crew member eats it. Bege was looking to betray from the start, hence attack on pekoms. Also I thought Pekoms died? Didn't Capone shoo…Never mind....Also It's obvious Sanji will warn the vinsmokes about the wedding assault, It's going to be a rescue/chase event with capone and the exploding box playing a huge diversion part while SH's get away and the germa kingdom most likely will be under SH's or ran by Reiju when all is said and done.
Capone 4 new emperor
@Tamiel:
So far, Mont D'Or is probably one of the biggest obstacles the crew has to face until morning. Since I could not figure out whom Bege was with, I was trying to see if I could tell where they were going. I couldn't, but maybe they are going towards Luffy.
I could hate on Opera, but he does seem to be okay after Jimbe's hit, so props to him.
Bounties…looks at Chopper's; were they not a gag? That aside, I hope that next time the crew gets together Franky, Chopper and Sanji will try extra hard to get notoriety to get a higher bounty than God.
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No meal is going to heal that, but you are right about something too. We shall see the tooth comeback. In flashbacks.
Luffy eating lots of food is like Popeye eating spinach. The tooth will regrow in typical toon force fashion once Luffy either eats a lot of food or right after the arc ends. If it doesn't grow back though, then I don't mind Luffy resembling Teach a little more at all. :P
The one who will grow back Luffy's tooth is Chopper because he is a doctor.
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The one who will grow back Luffy's tooth is Law because he is a surgeon, and stole Chopper's thunder by healing the kids at Punk Hazard.
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If they are there to fuck up BM, does Sanji really need to know all the details? Plus, they are in BM's territory and little caution couldn't hurt, with all those different DF in the world.
It's so funny how I was trying to theorize a Vinsmoke/Bege/World Government conspiracy team-up months ago, but gave up hope for that still being possible around when Reiju got shot/Pudding revealed Big Mom's betrayal. And yet a bunch of people are seeing the recent turn of events as reasoning for that theory to actually be viable now. XD I don't really think it's possible now due to the fact that the Vinsmokes keep bragging in privacy about how being an ally of Big Mom and waving her flag around is going to get them control over North Blue. Maybe they're lying in front of the Homies, but that's too convoluted and random to follow. And I don't care for Bege being an ally of the World Government because anything that ties them together for that to make sense would be completely off-panel (it could totally work because of the Shichibukai system, I'm just talking about a specific relationship or plot threads shared between them narratively). At least the Vinsmokes have lots of history with the Marines/World Government due to the Sora comic and Judge's past relationship with Vegapunk.
If were you guys, i would continue suspecting on Trashmokes… they stopped drinking a harmless alcohol at a wonderful venue such as ROLF on Sanji's face. Do you imagine Zoro quit drinking because a funny development? Not even in Whiskey Peak!!
Something big is coming.
I think everyone is going to betray everyone. Big Mom is going to betray Vinsmokes, Pudding and Capone are going to betray Big Mom, Vinsmokes are also going to betray Big Mom.
I wonder just how deep Pudding's betryal goes. Is Katakuri with her, for example? How much of the family will rebel? I don't think Pudding would be trying to overthrow her mother if she had only Capone on her side. So many questions and so many possibilities. Can't wait for the weeding to finally start.
@Count:
Luffy eating lots of food is like Popeye eating spinach. The tooth will regrow in typical toon force fashion once Luffy either eats a lot of food or right after the arc ends. If it doesn't grow back though, then I don't mind Luffy resembling Teach a little more at all. :P
I may not care at all about this tooth situation, but that's something I can accept with open arms. Then again, my Teach bias is strong, so there's that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
What if the 3 shadows that kld Bobbin are Buggy, Alvida, Mr.3?
He made his move and plans to become yonkou. His rivalry with shanks was always a hint that he will become yonkou, on par with shanks.
@Count:
It's so funny how I was trying to theorize a Vinsmoke/Bege/World Government conspiracy team-up months ago, but gave up hope for that still being possible around when Reiju got shot/Pudding revealed Big Mom's betrayal. And yet a bunch of people are seeing the recent turn of events as reasoning for that theory to actually be viable now. XD I don't really think it's possible now due to the fact that the Vinsmokes keep bragging in privacy about how being an ally of Big Mom and waving her flag around is going to get them control over North Blue. Maybe they're lying in front of the Homies, but that's too convoluted and random to follow. And I don't care for Bege being an ally of the World Government because anything that ties them together for that to make sense would be completely off-panel (it could totally work because of the Shichibukai system, I'm just talking about a specific relationship or plot threads shared between them narratively). At least the Vinsmokes have lots of history with the Marines/World Government due to the Sora comic and Judge's past relationship with Vegapunk.
Bunch of people were throwing around the possibility ever since 'Smokes were introduced. Including yours truly, of course. It's really a no brainer possibility.
The problem is, Judge's plan, in the form that was presented to us, doesn't look like something an intelligent person would think of. Big Mom's center of power is in New World. Nort Blue, along with Marine bases has many different kingdoms with their own army. What happens when Germa leaves WG and stops being someone who is protected within the alliance? And Big Mom, if not already, is likely to be tied up in the fight for survival in the near future.
Why even declare the alliance to the whole world instead of doing it more silently? What if, when they get on their snails to climb over Red Line, they find Akainu standing on top of it and giving them a warm welcome? Why do they feel so safe? Who was the one that proposed the alliance first? If it was 'Smokes, why Big Mom and not Kaido, for example, or Blackbeard? There's plenty of questions.
It never hurts to be careful, especially when you're deep inside the enemy's territory. And it's not like Oda is above giving such misdirections. We had one just the arc before, with Raizo situation. And the one before, with Dofla supposedly stepping down.
I'm only trying to keep an open mind. I still haven't seen anything that would convince me 'Smokes are definitely abandoning WG.
Bunch of people were throwing around the possibility ever since 'Smokes were introduced. Including yours truly, of course. It's really a no brainer possibility.
The problem is, Judge's plan, in the form that was presented to us, doesn't look like something an intelligent person would think of. Big Mom's center of power is in New World. Nort Blue, along with Marine bases has many different kingdoms with their own army. What happens when Germa leaves WG and stops being someone who is protected within the alliance? And Big Mom, if not already, is likely to be tied up in the fight for survival in the near future.
Why even declare the alliance to the whole world instead of doing it more silently? What if, when they get on their snails to climb over Red Line, they find Akainu standing on top of it and giving them a warm welcome? Why do they feel so safe? Who was the one that proposed the alliance first? If it was 'Smokes, why Big Mom and not Kaido, for example, or Blackbeard? There's plenty of questions.
It never hurts to be careful, especially when you're deep inside the enemy's territory. And it's not like Oda is above giving such misdirections. We had one just the arc before, with Raizo situation. And the one before, with Dofla supposedly stepping down.
I'm only trying to keep an open mind. I still haven't seen anything that would convince me 'Smokes are definitely abandoning WG.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say "This is my idea, how dare people try to claim it as their own". I've seen other people say it plenty of times, including Greg. I was just remarking on the irony of how it seems to be a somewhat popular idea now compared to before when there's arguably more debunking evidence in the present context. It's a bit funny to me lol.
See, I've thought of everything you've said in regards to why the Vinsmokes feel so safe. It's just that in the past several chapters, we see the Vinsmokes declaring that Big Mom will protect them in situations where they're alone (wither neither Linlin nor Sanji around) where they have no reason to lie. Oda seems to be portraying them as being that naively optimistic or is ignoring about the established dynamics in his worldbuilding for the sake of the plot.
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I completely agree with you and would love for this scenario to happen. It's just that if it does come true, then Oda did a really sloppy job with those scenes. And if it turns out that they somehow knew the Homies were listening, then that's almost Aizen levels of convoluted all according to keikaku of promoting shock value without sensible writing/build-up.
@Count:
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say "This is my idea, how dare people try to claim it as their own". I've seen other people say it plenty of times, including Greg. I was just remarking on the irony of how it seems to be a somewhat popular idea now compared to before when there's arguably more debunking evidence in the present context. It's a bit funny to me lol.
See, I've thought of everything you've said in regards to why the Vinsmokes feel so safe. It's just that in the past several chapters, we see the Vinsmokes declaring that Big Mom will protect them in situations where they're alone (wither neither Linlin nor Sanji around) where they have no reason to lie. Oda seems to be portraying them as being that naively optimistic or is ignoring about the established dynamics in his worldbuilding for the sake of the plot.
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can't get any more obvious
I don't see how this kind of twist would be a problem. Them acting dumb is enough of a hint to make the twist valid and not out of nowhere. We know BM is going to betray, Capone/Pudding are scheming, so the third batreyal, the Vinsmoke's ones, must be the twist Oda is trying to hide behind the other two. Fooling homies is also not some aizen level of deception. It's common sense, really.
@Dahaka.:
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can't get any more obvious
I don't see how this kind of twist would be a problem. Them acting dumb is enough of a hint to make the twist valid and not out of nowhere. We know BM is going to betray, Capone/Pudding are scheming, so the third batreyal, the Vinsmoke's ones, must be the twist Oda is trying to hide behind the other two. Fooling homies is also not some aizen level of deception. It's common sense, really.
I know about the quote bubbles. I noted that a few times earlier in this thread. It's just that a reveal where the Vinsmokes decided to lie in front of Homies feels a bit convoluted to me because the story hasn't tried establishing the recon/surveillance potential of the Homies at all. Nobody's acknowledged they could be used for something like that yet. So having a twist where characters as major as the Vinsmokes not only figure out that they can be used for such a purpose off-screen but also decide to lie in front of them just feels like sketchy storytelling that's skipping out on sensible beats to make the story comprehensive. It's not that the Vinsmokes lying in front of the Homies is anything complex alone, it's pretty simple. It's moreso how Oda's portrayed that type of plot element thus far. In which there really isn't anything to go off of since they haven't had any relevant story role outside of the Seducing Woods. If we had a panel earlier of Big Mom hinting that she had an eye on the Vinsmokes or the Vinsmokes acknowledging the Homies around them, then I could buy into the Vinsmokes pulling a facade because the situation is reasonably set up for a twist. That type of double twist made from off-screen thought processing is like something you'd see in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure or Hunter x Hunter. The only twist the context is sensibly leading up to is Big Mom keeping surveillance.
A twist operates off of a character's set-up situation and expectation. But there's no expectation explicitly set up yet. There's nothing to make a twist on yet, is what I'm saying. That's why if the Vinsmoke betrayal twist occurs, it'll look like negligent storytelling in my eyes. That might happen next chapter though with Big Mom talking about it or something, which can fix this issue. Also, Pudding is probably the sole twist Oda is hiding. There's been nothing too blatant about that at all, just a bunch of subtle hints. We as the audience are not supposed to even think there's the slightest connection between Bege and Pudding yet.
@Count:
I know about the quote bubbles. I noted that a few times earlier in this thread. It's just that a reveal where the Vinsmokes decided to lie in front of Homies feels a bit convoluted to me because the story hasn't tried establishing the recon/surveillance potential of the Homies at all. Nobody's acknowledged they could be used for something like that yet. So having a twist where characters as major as the Vinsmokes not only figure out that they can be used for such a purpose off-screen but also decide to lie in front of them just feels like sketchy storytelling that's skipping out on sensible beats to make the story comprehensive.
I thought it was implicitly acknowledged when Napoleon started receiving updates. My only guess for them not reporting to Mama would be that they either got destroyed when Luffy, Nami or Jimbe were making a scene.
I think the limitations of the homies will be tackled when we see one being created. For example chess soldiers can report back through Napoleon, walls, flowers or foods cannot say anything but what they are?
@Tamiel:
I thought it was implicitly acknowledged when Napoleon started receiving updates. My only guess for them not reporting to Mama would be that they either got destroyed when Luffy, Nami or Jimbe were making a scene.
I think the limitations of the homies will be tackled when we see one being created. For example chess soldiers can report back through Napoleon, walls, flowers or foods cannot say anything but what they are?
I thought Napoleon's updates just had to do with Big Mom having an off-panel information network. Which is why she found out about the Baratie and all of that. Yet we have no real idea how she did it, we just buy it "because she's a Yonko". But if Napoleon can communicate with the Homies, that would be cool. The Homies reporting on the Straw Hats making it to Totland would make perfect sense, but nobody's ever said that and there's no reason to hide such minor obvious info like that.
I just want to see how the big three Homies are created. I hope it's not a process as bland as them just appearing out of thin air.
@Count:
I thought Napoleon's updates just had to do with Big Mom having an off-panel information network. Which is why she found out about the Baratie and all of that. Yet we have no real idea how she did it, we just buy it "because she's a Yonko". But if Napoleon can communicate with the Homies, that would be cool. The Homies reporting on the Straw Hats making it to Totland would make perfect sense, but nobody's ever said that and there's no reason to hide such minor obvious info like that.
Jajaja, well Napoleon does have to do with her information network. Now, it would be crazy to re-read One Piece and see of we ever get to see more inanimate objects, cleverly hidden and alive. Just a note on how Big Mom's been sending her homies around the world and she gathers all that info through Napoleon. In the panel where she is getting informed of the treasure room break in, Napoleon receives information, I joked that a Den den Mushi soul was given to the hat, but considering how she stays decently informed I would not put it out there. Especially considering Moria was able to communicate wih all the shadows in Thriller Bark. We have seen enough homies around WCI, and with that scene with Napoleon I thought it was clear to join the two.
On a kinda unrelated note, I think Oda has been heavily using themes of uncertainty, betrayal and subletly the most in this arc. Maybe even explored with new techniques. Like seeing how much he can tell with minor details instead of straight in your face. (Or maybe I am just dumb and think they are clever/good).
I just want to see how the big three Homies are created. I hope it's not a process as bland as them just appearing out of thin air.
Half jokingly, I can see those three coming about from very specific moments. Like she made Napoleon after getting fooled by Roger, so she could have the best information network with the homies. Zeus and Prometheus when Lola left, the sadness/anger. I know these are cheesy.
If Oda wants to run with the Vinsmokes playing dumb angle, looks to me like it would work decently. Of course they did say they would take Pudding as a hostage right in front of the tea sets so that's a knock against it. Unless that too was a careful ruse to get Mom and the Homies to assume the Vinsmokes are comfortable talking freely around the living objects. But then do we need another "I was pretending all along" angle?
I do wonder though how much free will the Homies have. The soldiers and forest Homies obviously all have jobs and they follow orders, probably because they were made to right from their creation. Made to as in a potential Sugar styled Contract. The food, animals and random objects however have very different personalities and may just do what they want. When Jinbe talks about wanting to leave, one of the Homies looks like "yeah Mama kill that bastard" while another looks afraid for Jinbe.
If the Homies keep a bit of their human personalities I could imagine there is a level of free will there that lets them do what they want for the most part. Some Homies might be afraid of Big Mom or just unwilling to give her info at all. Then there could be some total A-hole types who just can't wait to rat someone out.
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You know I think Prometheus(or whoever the cloud is) is made out of some sort of sky Island cloud, being solid enough to sit on and all. I hope we get to find out it's origins later.
The Cloud is Zeus. You know, named after the Greek God of Thunder and Lightning….
@Tamiel:
Jajaja, well Napoleon does have to do with her information network.
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Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh. I never noticed that panel lol. Thank you! Now I can buy the Homie info network more now that it's actually been set-up. Just wish it was more apparent, but alright lol. I love Napoleon now.
Now, it would be crazy to re-read One Piece and see of we ever get to see more inanimate objects, cleverly hidden and alive. Just a note on how Big Mom's been sending her homies around the world and she gathers all that info through Napoleon. In the panel where she is getting informed of the treasure room break in, Napoleon receives information, I joked that a Den den Mushi soul was given to the hat, but considering how she stays decently informed I would not put it out there. Especially considering Moria was able to communicate wih all the shadows in Thriller Bark. We have seen enough homies around WCI, and with that scene with Napoleon I thought it was clear to join the two.
lol That would be something to see in a re-read, but I doubt it. But with Moria, I don't remember him being able to communicate with the shadows in any other way besides conversing with them like normal minions.
On a kinda unrelated note, I think Oda has been heavily using themes of uncertainty, betrayal and subletly the most in this arc. Maybe even explored with new techniques. Like seeing how much he can tell with minor details instead of straight in your face. (Or maybe I am just dumb and think they are clever/good).
That's definitely true already. Oda typically does major twists like Pudding and this early on in the arc, and completely out of the blue for shock value. But it worked because characters like Kuro, Lucci, Kaku, Kalifa, and Blueno were barely major characters. Pudding's a whole step up from that. The only other arc I can think of which has a game changer twist as big as the wedding that changes the tides of power would be Teach crashing Marineford.
Half jokingly, I can see those three coming about from very specific moments. Like she made Napoleon after getting fooled by Roger, so she could have the best information network with the homies. Zeus and Prometheus when Lola left, the sadness/anger. I know these are cheesy.
I'm cool with them appearing in certain moments like that. I just want to know if she actually puts pieces of her soul into actual objects like the rest of the Homies than just having them poof into existence from her right and left hands. I always appreciate creativity from Oda when it comes to quirky details like that.
@Count:
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Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh. I never noticed that panel lol. Thank you! Now I can buy the Homie info network more now that it's actually been set-up. Just wish it was more apparent, but alright lol. I love Napoleon now.
I have been off my usual game, but I ain't fallen that much.
lol That would be something to see in a re-read, but I doubt it. But with Moria, I don't remember him being able to communicate with the shadows in any other way besides conversing with them like normal minions.
Yeah, I am on chapter two, so I will check it out, but I bet I will be wasting more of my time than anything. About Moria, I meant when he did Shadow's Asgard, he managed to command all shadows in the island to come back,even those not in the near vicinity. In this case, it looks like, she could potentially command homies via Napoleon ("ruler of the homies" ja, what a detail), and the homies can send messages back.
That's definitely true already. Oda typically does major twists like Pudding and this early on in the arc, and completely out of the blue for shock value. But it worked because characters like Kuro, Lucci, Kaku, Kalifa, and Blueno were barely major characters. Pudding's a whole step up from that. The only other arc I can think of which has a game changer twist as big as the wedding that changes the tides of power would be Teach crashing Marineford.
If I think Oda is going for what he is, then we are going to see at least a couple of game changers, maybe the coronation of a new emperor.
I'm cool with them appearing in certain moments like that. I just want to know if she actually puts pieces of her soul into actual objects like the rest of the Homies than just having them poof into existence from her right and left hands. I always appreciate creativity from Oda when it comes to quirky details like that.
As someone mentioned Zeus being made from Sky Islands clouds, it would be really cool if all three were special weapons. On the other hand, Prometheus could end up being a lighter, Napoleon: Big Mom's first love's hat and Zeus, well from Sky Island.
@Tamiel:
I have been off my usual game, but I ain't fallen that much.
Good to see you haven't become a shell of your former self lol.
Yeah, I am on chapter two, so I will check it out, but I bet I will be wasting more of my time than anything. About Moria, I meant when he did Shadow's Asgard, he managed to command all shadows in the island to come back,even those not in the near vicinity. In this case, it looks like, she could potentially command homies via Napoleon ("ruler of the homies" ja, what a detail), and the homies can send messages back.
I figured you were referring to Shadows Asgard.
If I think Oda is going for what he is, then we are going to see at least a couple of game changers, maybe the coronation of a new emperor.
Game changers in the arc alone, totally. A new emperor coronation though? Can't ever see it happening. I just can't see someone as supposedly weak as Pudding or Bege (especially with his lack of screen time this arc even though he is a big part in pulling off a major plot twist), or Sanji's freaking father becoming an emperor lol. None of them have anywhere near as much creativity, quirkiness, charisma, and depth as Big Mom's design, powers, and overall character. I doubt that a Yonko succession will ever happen post-timeskip, but back when I was open to the idea, the only legitimate possibility I ever saw maybe being suited for such a role would be Kid. But after getting beaten by Kaido and most likely having to team-up with Luffy to defeat him, that's obviously not happening lol.
As someone mentioned Zeus being made from Sky Islands clouds, it would be really cool if all three were special weapons. On the other hand, Prometheus could end up being a lighter, Napoleon: Big Mom's first love's hat and Zeus, well from Sky Island.
I want to know if Napoloeon is actually one of the Meito. Perhaps in the same rank as the Wado Ichimonji/Shusui, or maybe even at the top alongside Mihawk's Yoru.
@Count:
Good to see you haven't become a shell of your former self lol.
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Game changers in the arc alone, totally. A new emperor coronation though? Can't ever see it happening. I just can't see someone as supposedly weak as Pudding or Bege (especially with his lack of screen time this arc even though he is a big part in pulling off a major plot twist), or Sanji's freaking father becoming an emperor lol. None of them have anywhere near as much creativity, quirkiness, charisma, and depth as Big Mom's design, powers, and overall character. I doubt that a Yonko succession will ever happen post-timeskip, but back when I was open to the idea, the only legitimate possibility I ever saw maybe being suited for such a role would be Kid. But after getting beaten by Kaido and most likely having to team-up with Luffy to defeat him, that's obviously not happening lol.
I felt kinda cheated when Blackbeard had ascended during the two year time skip, and we only heard of what he did to become an emperor. Do not get me wrong, I do not think the ascension is something of utmost importance, however it would be a great bonus to have. As we were talking about the mutiny before, the only person I could see pulling this off, would be the only sweet commander we have not seen: Potato Starch. Now, obviously, he is a prime suspect because, besides his name, he has not been shown AT ALL, not even during the jailbreak, or the treasure room break. However, if this is the case then a lot of emphasis on his characteristics would have to be shown in the next couple of chapters.
I agree, those three do not have the "umpf" we need. If what Jimbe said is true, then the wedding is going to be one of the biggest attempts to dethrone Big Mom she has had in years. As we were built up before, the supernovas were nothing, Urouge had to escape. Luffy had a lot of trouble given the quirkiness of all Linlin's crewmates. They are a natural enemy to Luffy whom is so straightforward.
I thought Law would be one. Although, I was never too sure of what to think about having the new generation of emperors.
This is off topic, but when I joined, I suggested that maybe Capone and Judge were working together because the last time we saw Capone he was getting pulled by this rock, which a lot of the members refuted saying it was just showing quirky New World stuff His next appearance was with the Big Mom pirates, I found that peculiar. Capone ended up being a traitor, but still unsure if unrelated to Judge. However, if that rocks comes back….
I want to know if Napoloeon is actually one of the Meito. Perhaps in the same rank as the Wado Ichimonji/Shusui, or maybe even at the top alongside Mihawk's Yoru.
Good point, now that I think about it…was Big Mom a swordswoman before she ate her devil fruit?
@Tamiel:
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Don't be a numbskull.
I felt kinda cheated when Blackbeard had ascended during the two year time skip, and we only heard of what he did to become an emperor. Do not get me wrong, I do not think the ascension is something of utmost importance, however it would be a great bonus to have. As we were talking about the mutiny before, the only person I could see pulling this off, would be the only sweet commander we have not seen: Potato Starch. Now, obviously, he is a prime suspect because, besides his name, he has not been shown AT ALL, not even during the jailbreak, or the treasure room break. However, if this is the case then a lot of emphasis on his characteristics would have to be shown in the next couple of chapters.
I get what you mean. It was very awesome to see how Teach rose to power pre-timeskip. So skipping all the way to him being a Yonko just because may feel a bit underwhelming. But personally, that just makes me more excited and creeped out by them as I wait to see all of their post-timeskip designs and influence. It's par for the course to see them be able to make connections and climb up the ladder off-panel. All I want is for Doc Q to ditch that bland, ugly fur coat. I used to think Burgess was such a goofy generic brute pre-timeskip that didn't really belong, but his post-timeskip Dressrosa gladiator design and cunning attitude actually made him cooler and a bit endearing to me.
And the thing about Katakuri is that because they're getting revealed so late a betrayal from him or her isn't all that interesting. Like you said, Oda would have to cram in a bunch of memorable screen time in the next few chapters for us to even start caring besides feel like it's a cheap convenience.
I agree, those three do not have the "umpf" we need. If what Jimbe said is true, then the wedding is going to be one of the biggest attempts to dethrone Big Mom she has had in years. As we were built up before, the supernovas were nothing, Urouge had to escape. Luffy had a lot of trouble given the quirkiness of all Linlin's crewmates. They are a natural enemy to Luffy whom is so straightforward.
All the more reason why Big Mom and Luffy will be on decent terms at the end of this arc rather than still being enemies.
I thought Law would be one. Although, I was never too sure of what to think about having the new generation of emperors.
I don't think Law's suitable for such a role, especially after Dressrosa (although he could have worked as a recurring rival, maybe). Especially by having such an underwhelming crew. By God, they are so mediocre. I never thought I'd say this, but I think the Krieg Pirates are more impressive than they are.
This is off topic, but when I joined, I suggested that maybe Capone and Judge were working together because the last time we saw Capone he was getting pulled by this rock, which a lot of the members refuted saying it was just showing quirky New World stuff His next appearance was with the Big Mom pirates, I found that peculiar. Capone ended up being a traitor, but still unsure if unrelated to Judge. However, if that rocks comes back….
I wish that any of those teased New World islands will be relevant, but I doubt Oda cares. The only one he might have had concrete plans for may have been the fire island Teach's crew was on. And that's only because Oda said he originally envisioned the two halves of Punk Hazard as two separate islands, and he even thought the Dwarves would get their own island before being crammed into Dressrosa.
Good point, now that I think about it…was Big Mom a swordswoman before she ate her devil fruit?
From the emphasis showed regarding her super strength, I doubt it.
@Count:
Don't be a numbskull.
You are pretty much asking me to stop existing.
I get what you mean. It was very awesome to see how Teach rose to power pre-timeskip. So skipping all the way to him being a Yonko just because may feel a bit underwhelming. But personally, that just makes me more excited and creeped out by them as I wait to see all of their post-timeskip designs and influence. It's par for the course to see them be able to make connections and climb up the ladder off-panel. All I want is for Doc Q to ditch that bland, ugly fur coat. I used to think Burgess was such a goofy generic brute pre-timeskip that didn't really belong, but his post-timeskip Dressrosa gladiator design and cunning attitude actually made him cooler and a bit endearing to me.
Ah, just to clarify, when I said cheated I meant about the ascension itself. As much as I constantly hate on off paneling Blackbeard, it does create that irksome effect, when they finally show up…it will be a catastrophe. That's why I think it would be cool to see at least one of them. And the easiest pick to replace would be Big Mom. However, if it does happen, then whomever their replacement will be, will get offed by either the Marines or Blackbeard, realizing how important it was to have Big Mom, not only her kingdom.
And the thing about Katakuri is that because they're getting revealed so late a betrayal from him or her isn't all that interesting. Like you said, Oda would have to cram in a bunch of memorable screen time in the next few chapters for us to even start caring besides feel like it's a cheap convenience.
Exactly, it would be too much, but that could be solved with a chapter dedicated to him. The only thing that makes it interesting is IF Katakuri is the first mate as well. Bege's coup has had so little screen time as well. Three panels (Zou, Pekoms getting shot again, and Bobbin -potentially) that a chapter or half of it dedicated to the first mate would be almost the same. The only thing Bege has going for him is that he was introduced…pre time skip.
I don't think Law's suitable for such a role, especially after Dressrosa (although he could have worked as a recurring rival, maybe). Especially by having such an underwhelming crew. By God, they are so mediocre. I never thought I'd say this, but I think the Krieg Pirates are more impressive than they are.
When they were all introduced, I would imagine whom would be the four emperors under the king. Nowadays, it just seems like some childish game considering that the whole balance of the world will be broken and emperors would not fit in the series finale. They could all be pirates still, but not with territories and such.
I wish that any of those teased New World islands will be relevant, but I doubt Oda cares. The only one he might have had concrete plans for may have been the fire island Teach's crew was on. And that's only because Oda said he originally envisioned the two halves of Punk Hazard as two separate islands, and he even thought the Dwarves would get their own island before being crammed into Dressrosa.
Ah yeah, it would be nice. I am glad the dwarves did not get their own island.
From the emphasis showed regarding her super strength, I doubt it.
…......just make it happen.
@Tamiel:
You are pretty much asking me to stop existing.
You already seem to consider yourself a waste of space, so that's not much of a difference.
Ah, just to clarify, when I said cheated I meant about the ascension itself. As much as I constantly hate on off paneling Blackbeard, it does create that irksome effect, when they finally show up…it will be a catastrophe. That's why I think it would be cool to see at least one of them. And the easiest pick to replace would be Big Mom. However, if it does happen, then whomever their replacement will be, will get offed by either the Marines or Blackbeard, realizing how important it was to have Big Mom, not only her kingdom.
I know. And Big Mom is the easiest to replace. But there's not all that much room for a new Yonko to get enough build-up and panel time in the story. It's possible, but it would be a bit difficult. Especially when Blackbeard has to finally start coming into the picture after Wano Country. And successfully superseding an emperor is part of what makes Blackbeard so unique as a villain. Realizing how valuable Big Mom is would be deep, but also be pretty pathetic to see.
Exactly, it would be too much, but that could be solved with a chapter dedicated to him. The only thing that makes it interesting is IF Katakuri is the first mate as well. Bege's coup has had so little screen time as well. Three panels (Zou, Pekoms getting shot again, and Bobbin -potentially) that a chapter or half of it dedicated to the first mate would be almost the same. The only thing Bege has going for him is that he was introduced…pre time skip.
The point about the panel time is true. But it's at least spaced out over a decently long time.
When they were all introduced, I would imagine whom would be the four emperors under the king. Nowadays, it just seems like some childish game considering that the whole balance of the world will be broken and emperors would not fit in the series finale. They could all be pirates still, but not with territories and such.
Pretty much. Having an Emperor system still be around while Luffy is Pirate King would be redundant and sort of counter what Luffy believes the Pirate King to mean.
Ah yeah, it would be nice. I am glad the dwarves did not get their own island.
That's arguable due to Dressrosa's quality for obvious reasons. But then again, an arc dedicated to the Tontattas is… I'm just glad Dressrosa is over with, okay?
…......just make it happen.
Mihawk's already had enough embarrassment and debate over whether his title means he's stronger than Shanks. Big Mom would just make it even worse.
@Count:
You already seem to consider yourself a waste of space, so that's not much of a difference.
I just take pride of being a (fool/simple minded).
I know. And Big Mom is the easiest to replace. But there's not all that much room for a new Yonko to get enough build-up and panel time in the story. It's possible, but it would be a bit difficult. Especially when Blackbeard has to finally start coming into the picture after Wano Country. And successfully superseding an emperor is part of what makes Blackbeard so unique as a villain. Realizing how valuable Big Mom is would be deep, but also be pretty pathetic to see.
Let's be honest, at the end of the day:
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That's arguable due to Dressrosa's quality for obvious reasons. But then again, an arc dedicated to the Tontattas is… I'm just glad Dressrosa is over with, okay?
I like Dressrosa overall, and considering the amount of notebooks Oda has for each arc, then, I think it turned out pretty well.
Mihawk's already had enough embarrassment and debate over whether his title means he's stronger than Shanks. Big Mom would just make it even worse.
I always go back to timing. If Mihawk dueled Shanks before he became the best, shrugs. I am not sure how much power gap could Shanks have increased to have a clear decision. Mihawk did lose interest after he lost his arm. Did Shanks have the title back then as well? Or was he close to becoming an emperor. Or were those in their super rookies day? I personally think he can hold his own against an admiral, considering Luffy and Zoro are able to fight back now. And if we go all the way to the end, then Mihawk and Shybum should be around the same level, the latter the victor of course, and Zoro should be able to handle any of the three admirals. Which makes me assume that Mihawk and Shybum are around that level too. Ugh…see and here I thought I was making a good remark, to then realize...this is just power level discussions.
@Tamiel:
I just take pride of being a (fool/simple minded).
It's the fools who have the ability to think outside the box and make a mark on the world.
Let's be honest, at the end of the day:
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Pekoms confirmed for Pirate King.
I like Dressrosa overall, and considering the amount of notebooks Oda has for each arc, then, I think it turned out pretty well.
All I'm thankful towards Dressrosa for is the confirmation of Teach finally getting his long braided beard.
I always go back to timing. If Mihawk dueled Shanks before he became the best, shrugs. I am not sure how much power gap could Shanks have increased to have a clear decision. Mihawk did lose interest after he lost his arm. Did Shanks have the title back then as well? Or was he close to becoming an emperor. Or were those in their super rookies day? I personally think he can hold his own against an admiral, considering Luffy and Zoro are able to fight back now. And if we go all the way to the end, then Mihawk and Shybum should be around the same level, the latter the victor of course, and Zoro should be able to handle any of the three admirals. Which makes me assume that Mihawk and Shybum are around that level too. Ugh…see and here I thought I was making a good remark, to then realize...this is just power level discussions.
No matter what the title exactly means, I know one thing for sure when it comes to ranking swordsmen. Zoro, Shiryu, Mihawk, and Shanks can sharpen their blades all they want, but…
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! No one's foresight is as sharp as Daz Bones.
Oh Count, you and your puns.
@Kaido:
I wonder who this "Noda Skywalker" is that keeps inspiring Oda's cover page creativity.
If you are interested, here is Noda Skywalker's twitter account. He says his cover page requests have got featured by Oda 8 times.:wub:
https://twitter.com/noda_skywalker
Thank you for the info, Greg and redon!