Not that it'll prevent people from still doing the former.
Random News Article Discussion II
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So are you advocating for banning the book or
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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/reprint-of-adolf-hitlers-mein-kampf-becomes-a-bestseller-in-germany/
To quote a comment on the page:
"The copy of Mein Kampf that is under discussion is a very expensive, scholarly edition that would naturally be snapped up by historians and libraries around the world.
They have been denied the ability to read Hitler's own words in his original language for seven decades. It's almost certainly not being read because of ideological agreement.
The only way a historian could previously get a German Mein Kampf would be to buy one of the prewar/interwar copies or get a samizdat copy from a neo-Nazi group.
The first route was very costly and the second was unpalatable, not just because it meant interacting with neo-Nazis but also because there was no way to establish
whether what one had was the complete book. So the fact that the new German edition is a bestseller should not be surprising.
That's the natural result of the Bavarian government forbidding republication during the entire time they owned the copyright of the work." -
So are you advocating for banning the book or
Given that the book was written by a racist and anti-semite and has essentially no value? I'd say why print it.
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Given that the book was written by a racist and anti-semite and has essentially no value? I'd say why print it.
I sorta disagree. I believe literature is something that requires the least amount of censure possible. These are testimonies to the human mind and how bad or good it can become. Censuring it conveniently refuses to acknowledge that we are indeed a violent species and the evil among us can come to power under circumstances that are very sane and real. Of course it might lead to people reading it and getting influenced by it but alternatively, reminding people of its legacy assists in preventing such events from happening again.
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^ Hitler already showed the kind of person he was prior to and during World War 2 it's not like the book tells you anything you didn't already know.
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^ Hitler already showed the kind of person he was prior to and during World War 2 it's not like the book tells you anything you didn't already know.
What we know of are Hitler's actions and his decisions which majorly altered history. However, the book tells about his thought processes and what went on in his mad little world which made him what he ended up to be. I believe knowing the circumstances around how someone reaches a level to make unethical decisions are as equally important as just analyzing the decisions and the results that had come out of it.
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Woah there, I'm as much of a Hitler non-fan as the next guy, but let's not get too hasty with banning books just because they represent ideas we disagree with, even abhor. Else we go down the slippery slope to banning books like Huck Finn.
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Mein Kamph should absolutely be in print. Sure the ideology is awful, but it is a valid and legit part of the world's history and should be studied. It has just as much place and deserves to be in circulation just as much as the bible, or the diaries of Anne Frank or John Adams.
It shouldn't be in anyone's personal collection as something they admire or idolize, absolutely not, and if someone goes out and buys 300 copies they should be watched, but it should be available to scholars and students alike. (And its been available in translated form in a lot of places anyway.) Maybe, just maybe if we didn't stigmatize and oversell Hitler quite so much as an impossible unrepeatable isolated event demon thing to be kept in a box and overlooked as a once in humanity event, we wouldn't slide quite so easily with modern world dictators, or have so easily fallen for Trump. To make a thing so forbidden that you can't even speak about it is to give it more power than it deserves. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it and all of that.
(And btw, we frequently edit Anne Frank's diary to leave out the sex parts. So, whatever that means)
(And we also edit Huck Finn to leave out the word "Nigger".)
(And we also have high schoolers read "Brave New World" which is just a terrible book.)
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I was reading the Japanese version of this article but I found the English.
Train derailment in newyork. Any Newyorkians here seen this at the scene?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-05/new-york-train-derails-injuring-dozens/8162652
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^ Hitler already showed the kind of person he was prior to and during World War 2 it's not like the book tells you anything you didn't already know.
Very wrong. The Nazis are heavily exposed, but that doesn't mean they're as well understood as that might make you think.
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To make a thing so forbidden that you can't even speak about it is to give it more power than it deserves.
So Hitler was Voldemort? :ninja:
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Four people arrested in Chicago for kidnapping and torturing a man with special needs.
Thank goodness these thugs were stupid enough to post their work on FaceBook.I'm sure you goons will have a lot of friendly / positive messages waiting for you on your profiles when you come out of jail.
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@MDL:
Four people arrested in Chicago for kidnapping and torturing a man with special needs.
Thank goodness these thugs were stupid enough to post their work on FaceBook.I'm sure you goons will have a lot of friendly / positive messages waiting for you on your profiles when you come out of jail.
It seems like they did it as some sort of anti-Trump racist statement? Was the guy a Trump supporter, or did his attackers just assume all white people voted Trump?
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According to someone who claims to be a resident of the area, he sees shit every week around the West side that equates to
"If you're white and vulnerable, do NOT go to the West side alone."But in another article I saw, this was said:
"Authorities believe he knew one of the suspects and had gone with that person willingly before he was eventually brought to the city in a stolen van and held against his will."Wow, that's even more traumatising for this guy. Betrayed by someone he knew :(
So perhaps he was a Trump voter, which is what prompted the person to do this.
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It seems like they did it as some sort of anti-Trump racist statement? Was the guy a Trump supporter, or did his attackers just assume all white people voted Trump?
I think they just assumed he would be a Trump supporter since he was white and from the suburbs. "Fuck white people, fuck Donald Trump"
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@MDL:
Four people arrested in Chicago for kidnapping and torturing a man with special needs.
Thank goodness these thugs were stupid enough to post their work on FaceBook.I'm sure you goons will have a lot of friendly / positive messages waiting for you on your profiles when you come out of jail.
Ahh Chicago, takes you back to that time a couple of guys from Chicago filmed themselves doing a drive by. And another time when a rapper murdered somebody and tweeted about it the next day. Isn't self snitching amazing?
EDIT: Interestingly it's surfaced that one of the people involved in the kidnapping claimed to be an affiliate ( falsely ) of the same gang as deceased rapper Young Pappy. They are probably not going to be too happy with this…
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@MDL:
Four people arrested in Chicago for kidnapping and torturing a man with special needs.
Thank goodness these thugs were stupid enough to post their work on FaceBook.I'm sure you goons will have a lot of friendly / positive messages waiting for you on your profiles when you come out of jail.
Wow…. I'm glad they were dumb enough to put the evidence of their crime right up on Facebook where they could be neatly arrested for it, but damn.... Glad the guy's ok now too.
One thing that's gonna irritate me about this tho is after getting scores of Pro-Trump racism and hate and bile and KKK marches and swastikas and attacks and all of this Pro-Trump BS, this ONE incident is gonna be held up by the right as "See? There's nothing wrong with us, there are people on the left who are just as bad!"
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One thing that's gonna irritate me about this tho is after getting scores of Pro-Trump racism and hate and bile and KKK marches and swastikas and attacks and all of this Pro-Trump BS, this ONE incident is gonna be held up by the right as "See? There's nothing wrong with us, there are people on the left who are just as bad!"
I believe it has already happened. I've seen in twitter people posting with a "BLMkidnapping" hashtag basically saying that BLM are responsible for it.
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The BLMkidnapping hashtag was started by Infowars and Breitbart.
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The BLMkidnapping hashtag was started by Infowars and Breitbart.
Nothing new under the sun I suppose. How many of these hoaxes hasn't Breitbart and Infowars had an active role in starting for the past year? It wouldn't surprise me if 40-50 % of Snopes fact checking these days go to dealing with these type of rumors. Wasn't Breitbart going bankrupt due to declining leadership? Cause that can't happen soon enough.
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The BLMkidnapping hashtag was started by Infowars and Breitbart.
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@MDL:
According to someone who claims to be a resident of the area, he sees shit every week around the West side that equates to
"If you're white and vulnerable, do NOT go to the West side alone."You aren't targeted because you're white. You're targeted because you clearly aren't from the neighborhood, which by definition makes you an easy target for mugging or whatnot.
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@MDL:
Four people arrested in Chicago for kidnapping and torturing a man with special needs.
Thank goodness these thugs were stupid enough to post their work on FaceBook.I'm sure you goons will have a lot of friendly / positive messages waiting for you on your profiles when you come out of jail.
It is what it is. Disgusting.
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The four suspects have been charged with hate crime and kidnapping:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html
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It's weird to me that torture isn't a charge by itself.
Maybe this is an US thing, but charges for hate crime, kidnapping, unlawful restraint and battery overshadow the torture.
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Gunman shoots up airport in Fort Lauderdale 5 dead.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/at-least-five-people-reportedly-shot-at-ft-lauderdale-airport/
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Gunman shoots up airport in Fort Lauderdale 5 dead.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/at-least-five-people-reportedly-shot-at-ft-lauderdale-airport/
To elaborate, the gunman was an Iraq Army veteran who was demoted and discharged last year for unsatisfactory performance. He had walked into an FBI field office last November claiming that the U.S. Government was controlling his mind.
He withdrew his weapon from the checked baggage claim area and started firing. No motive yet. After exhausting his supply of ammunition, he was taken into custody without resistance.
5 people are dead, and 8 others were wounded.
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@Monkey:
You aren't targeted because you're white. You're targeted because you clearly aren't from the neighborhood, which by definition makes you an easy target for mugging or whatnot.
Mugging is one thing… this kidnapping/torturing/broadcasting it live online/not one of ten thousand viewers reported the live broadcast to the police/whatnot incident definitely appears to have been racially motivated.
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Gunman shoots up airport in Fort Lauderdale 5 dead.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/at-least-five-people-reportedly-shot-at-ft-lauderdale-airport/
Yeah, crazy stuff. I drive past it almost every day, so surreal… RIP everyone who passed.
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Mugging is one thing… this kidnapping/torturing/broadcasting it live online/not one of ten thousand viewers reported the live broadcast to the police/whatnot incident definitely appears to have been racially motivated.
Where exactly are you getting this information of no one reporting the crime?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/
According to this timeline:
Police in Streamwood said that after the man was reported missing, his parents began getting text messages from someone "claiming to be holding him captive." Officers investigating the texts "discovered a Facebook video depicting (the man) being verbally and physically abused." It's unclear what alerted the police to check Facebook. Soon after they discovered the video, Streamwood investigators said they were contacted by Chicago police, saying they had found the missing man. On Tuesday Chicago officers responded to a battery call at a residence in the area where the victim had been found. There were signs of a struggle and property damage, police said. Police have not identified the person who made the call.
As you can see the police may have been tipped off to the facebook link. The second bolded I think I can answer because it seems a downstairs neighbor alerted the police by way of noise complaint of what was happening above him. It's not exactly a "battery call" but it's the closest thing to direct proof of someone calling the police. But there's no evidence that people watching the live stream failed to alert the police. You should also take into account this to get a better understanding of the people who watched the video.
> "Facebook refused to comment on how many people – if any – reported the content, although there appear to have been many comments under the live stream made by horrified viewers who may have also used the report tool."
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Where exactly are you getting this information of no one reporting the crime?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/
According to this timeline:
As you can see the police may have been tipped off to the facebook link. The second bolded I think I can answer because it seems a downstairs neighbor alerted the police by way of noise complaint of what was happening above him. It's not exactly a "battery call" but it's the closest thing to direct proof of someone calling the police. But there's no evidence that people watching the live stream failed to alert the police. You should also take into account this to get a better understanding of the people who watched the video.
So whether people reported it or not is up in the air until we get accurate information.
MSNBC initially. It was reported that police only learned of the facebook video after the live broadcast had concluded and been reuploaded in its entirety, and the article you linked reflects that.
It's very possible that the livestream was reported and that information somehow hadn't made it into the hands of police at the time of the MSNBC news report (over a day later), but the police definitely weren't aware of the video until after the livestream had concluded. At the very least this is a case of extreme police incompetence as they should have been able to act and possibly intervene during the several hour long broadcast.
The fearmongering by various right-wing news outlets that this crime was somehow orchestrated by Black Lives Matter is absolutely wrong based on the evidence we have (and the people making that claim are far from credible), but it's still extremely disturbing that the police have refused to charge violent racists with a racism-based hate crime. They're being charged with a disability hate crime instead.
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The guy had white privilege, you can't be racist against him.
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It's awful what people are capable of. Those people should be jailed. I just wish the same level of justice was met for that guy that white guy that raped a mentally disabled black classmate with a coat hanger.
It's frustrating that similar crimes aren't handled the same across the board. Fucking Brock Turner crap all day every day. The second it's people of color that are the criminals it's swift justice.
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Today died the man who is seen by many as the "father of Portuguese democracy". Controversial but respected guy, former Prime-Minister and President of the Republic, who guided the efforts to democratize the country and join the EEC/EU. RIP, Mário Soares.
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MSNBC initially. It was reported that police only learned of the facebook video after the live broadcast had concluded and been reuploaded in its entirety, and the article you linked reflects that.
It's very possible that the livestream was reported and that information somehow hadn't made it into the hands of police at the time of the MSNBC news report (over a day later), but the police definitely weren't aware of the video until after the livestream had concluded. At the very least this is a case of extreme police incompetence as they should have been able to act and possibly intervene during the several hour long broadcast.
The fearmongering by various right-wing news outlets that this crime was somehow orchestrated by Black Lives Matter is absolutely wrong based on the evidence we have (and the people making that claim are far from credible), but it's still extremely disturbing that the police have refused to charge violent racists with a racism-based hate crime. They're being charged with a disability hate crime instead.
The live broadcast was only about 30 minutes long, not several hours. And a lot of it consisted of a woman smoking and talking to the camera so it's not clear how many people just logged on, saw a woman smoking and talking shit, and then left the stream.
Since Facebook has so far refused to release any information regarding whether or not anybody reported the video which was taken down after 30 minutes, so Facebook definitely found out about it somehow, it's not clear where or how MSNBC got the information on "nobody" reporting the video. Nowhere can I find any quotes on that. Not even on MSNBC. Even those extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist sites aren't reporting that info…because Facebook hasn't said anything. I do know Facebook has been shown to fall short or overstep its job of curating and censoring videos/posts that violate its policies once a video or picture is reported.
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"Google Translate invented its own language to help it translate more effectively. What’s more, nobody told it to."
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The whole point of machine learning algorithms is that you don't program exact behavior into them, they're meant to "experiment" with different approaches and find the "best" way to do things. That article is a little over the top and personifies a standard, albeit relatively new, type of computer problem solving technique a bit too much.
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That's pretty interesting. I do wonder how this improves the translation ability though. GT has never really been good at much besides individual words and sometimes phrases, so I wonder if this does substantially improve machine translations or not. If not now, in the future.
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The live broadcast was only about 30 minutes long, not several hours. And a lot of it consisted of a woman smoking and talking to the camera so it's not clear how many people just logged on, saw a woman smoking and talking shit, and then left the stream.
Since Facebook has so far refused to release any information regarding whether or not anybody reported the video which was taken down after 30 minutes, so Facebook definitely found out about it somehow, it's not clear where or how MSNBC got the information on "nobody" reporting the video. Nowhere can I find any quotes on that. Not even on MSNBC. Even those extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist sites aren't reporting that info…because Facebook hasn't said anything. I do know Facebook has been shown to fall short or overstep its job of curating and censoring videos/posts that violate its policies once a video or picture is reported.
Is there any place that archives the news broadcasts? We should really start keeping track of just how awful the reporting is on these things. The difference between a six hour broadcast and a 30 minute broadcast is pretty significant.
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Is there any place that archives the news broadcasts? We should really start keeping track of just how awful the reporting is on these things. The difference between a six hour broadcast and a 30 minute broadcast is pretty significant.
I'm not aware of any dedicated archives to this specific story but a few timely google searches should keep anyone relatively up to date.
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I'm not aware of any dedicated archives to this specific story but a few timely google searches should keep anyone relatively up to date.
I meant archives for news broadcasts in general.
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Maybe, but I'm not sure.
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It's awful what people are capable of. Those people should be jailed. I just wish the same level of justice was met for that guy that white guy that raped a mentally disabled black classmate with a coat hanger.
It's frustrating that similar crimes aren't handled the same across the board. Fucking Brock Turner crap all day every day. The second it's people of color that are the criminals it's swift justice.
That one was awful too. It angers me to hear people come out of the woodwork and defend these monsters based solely on the color of their skin.
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On what possible technicality can holding a man down and forcing an object into his anus not be considered a sex crime?
What the actual fuck is going on in that court's line of reasoning.
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On what possible technicality can holding a man down and forcing an object into his anus not be considered a sex crime?
What the actual fuck is going on in that court's line of reasoning.
I'm guessing they argued that the attacker didn't enjoy it sexually (which shouldn't matter because it's nearly impossible to prove), and he should be viewed as a potential "victim" of allegedly harsh laws regarding sex crimes?
…Or he just straight up bribed the judge.
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Yeah, that one was just… insane. The USA have some very deep problems that kind of had been masked during the last couple decades of development, but now are just getting thrown at our faces thanks to the ease of circulation of information today. One of the good things about the Continental legal system instead of the Anglo-Saxon one is that there are usually no abiguities that can be exploited more easily like that, and as such it's harder to discriminate people at court, I guess. But money is always the determining factor, in the end. Always been, always will be. That's probably why our former Prime Minister was preventively jailed for corruption and tax evasion and has since been freed and will likely stay free and return to politics.
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Just saw that after 3 hours of deliberation, Dylan Roof was sentenced to death.
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial-charleston.amp.html
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Just saw that after 3 hours of deliberation, Dylan Roof was sentenced to death.
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial-charleston.amp.html
I still have a reeeeally hard time grasping how there are still death sentences in a 1st world country in the 21st century. I thought it was somewhere in Africa or Asia before opening the link…