This is perhaps the stupidest post yet.
If you say so.
At least they don't have to live under the oppression of white privilege.
This is perhaps the stupidest post yet.
If you say so.
At least they don't have to live under the oppression of white privilege.
This is perhaps the stupidest post yet.
As a white person from the Netherlands Kaiolino, I'll have you know that as a white person in the USA I am drinking a Diet Lime coke right now. And I apologize for any calories or acidic qualities I am currently adding to our collective hive stomach. The brood mother will not be pleased, but I intend to offer her my thorax as sacrifice.
perhaps the AFRICAN america people are being paid by the AFRICAN dictators to riot and kill white people.
@Bilbo:
If you say so.
At least they don't have to live under the oppression of white privilege.
You don't know about South Africa do you?
@Monkey:
What's this???
surveys entire earth history
You mean to say that when minority populations are policed by majority populations that heavy tensions exist and lots of friction occurs??No actually the Yankee Afro men are unique cases of whining babies who deserve their harsh law enforcement.
Good point Crocodile Dundee, no one has ever made an issue out of that in the black community or any community, your research and education on this topic has been thorough and well done.
It’s utterly unfair to lump in Walter Scott, shot in the back in South Carolina, with Michael Brown, a thug who attempted to murder a police officer. It's a disservice.
It has been raised, but I don't see black lives matter protesting every time a black guy dies in Chicago.
@Bilbo:
If you say so.
At least they don't have to live under the oppression of white privilege.
Do you have any idea how good you have it in the USA?? Stop bitching about Democrats and BLM, you could be back in Europe under the oppressive thumb of Vladimir Putin, drafted and raped in boot camp, being sent to die anonymously in Ukraine, in the frigid muds of Europe, with your mother even being denied access to your shredded remains.
@Monkey:
As a white person from the Netherlands Kaiolino, I'll have you know that as a white person in the USA I am drinking a Diet Lime coke right now. And I apologize for any calories or acidic qualities I am currently adding to our collective hive stomach. The brood mother will not be pleased, but I intend to offer her my thorax as sacrifice.
Geert Wilders is funded by American donors. Thanks a lot, you yankee scum.
It has been raised, but I don't see black lives matter protesting every time a black guy dies in Chicago.
It has been raised and ignored or attacked for being an immensely retarded talking point that makes no sense at all.
perhaps the AFRICAN america people are being paid by the AFRICAN dictators to riot and kill white people.
BLM protest is on the TV
Robert Mugabe lies back in his chair and grins
Robert Mugabe probably doesn't watch much TV. He's too busy forcing his tribal enemies to slave away in the diamond mines in order to pay his soldiers to keep his regime afloat.
Could we kindly get this thread back to what it is supposed to be now then?
Right now it's just a bunch of dicking around and pot shots being taken.
You're right, buddy. I defer to your judgment. Clearly, as someone who actually lives in this country I'm too close to the issue to be able to wrap my head around it.
Also Australians don't ever have problems with bigoted police in their communities, right?
How does this equate to shooting down black men?
They did the right thing, these guys reported it and if it persists, the discriminators will be dealt with.
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@Monkey:
It has been raised and ignored or attacked for being an immensely retarded talking point that makes no sense at all.
Yup, retarded, lets advocate for black lives, but oh wait, black lives are still being taken and we don't care. I'll leave it at that.
Yup, retarded, lets advocate for black lives, but oh wait, black lives are still being taken and we don't care. I'll leave it at that.
The problem with your assessment is that black on black violence is something that's regularly spoken out against and even leads to protests. You and others want BLM to protest a problem that while bad isn't at the same level of bad as Police officers gunning down or brutalizing minorities do to the color of their skin.
Black people don't kill or assault other black people because of their skin tone.
who attempted to murder a police officer.
Which he did by "supposedly charging at him and trying to take his gun which no one but Wilson or Brown himself can verify?
It's a disservice.
Yeah because none of this is a disservice whatsoever.
And there's more if you're interested.
It has been raised, but I don't see black lives matter protesting every time a black guy dies in Chicago.
The problem with your assessment is that black on black violence is something that's regularly spoken out against and even leads to protests. You and others want BLM to protest a problem that while bad isn't at the same level of bad as Police officers gunning down or brutalizing minorities do to the color of their skin.
Black people don't kill or assault other black people because of their skin tone.
I'd hope that the black-on-black violence debate would pretty much go away completely if some BLM supporters got the memo and stopped claiming that black-on-black violence didn't exist at all. At this point it's mostly a reaction to a reaction to a few people fallaciously saying that white-on-black violence didn't matter because black-on-black violence is more prevalent. We keep having huge nation-wide arguments about reactions to reactions to reactions to reactions, and it's driving everyone insane. @.@
I'd hope that the black-on-black violence debate would pretty much go away completely if some BLM supporters got the memo and stopped claiming that black-on-black violence didn't exist at all.
I haven't seen these people making this claim but it doesn't really matter if they are as anyone with any common sense knows it happens.
I haven't seen these people making this claim but it doesn't really matter if they are as anyone with any common sense knows it happens.
A couple people said it therefore now its the same problem according to the rules of crazy land.
@Monkey:
A couple people said it therefore now its the same problem according to the rules of crazy land.
It always comes back to that eventually.
Cops being called to the scene shouldn't mean there's a 80% chance they're going to use excessive force or kill the person they are trying to detain. These cops are shooting people in the back. They have fucking tasers that they seem to forget about.
Well tasers aren't exactly any better at not killing people
And I don't think you want to hear about the non-fatals ones of the police tasering people in the eyes, genitals, or while their suffering seizures or the like.
The problem with your assessment is that black on black violence is something that's regularly spoken out against and even leads to protests. You and others want BLM to protest a problem that while bad isn't at the same level of bad as Police officers gunning down or brutalizing minorities do to the color of their skin.
Black people don't kill or assault other black people because of their skin tone.
Which he did by "supposedly charging at him and trying to take his gun which no one but Wilson or Brown himself can verify?
Yeah because none of this is a disservice whatsoever.
And there's more if you're interested.
It has been raised, but I don't see black lives matter protesting every time a black guy dies in Chicago.
Cops shooting blacks because of their skin colour? Where's the proof that all the unarmed blacks which is a really small section are all killed by racist cops?
40% of the police that are killed are killed by the minority demographic, not only that cops are actually 18.3 times more likely to be killed from a black than a black being killed by a cop.
Look, it's wrong to disrespect a grave of someone, but you have the media painting Michael brown as a saint, good kid going to college when he isn't and was very aggressive, he was even seen moments earlier being violent with someone in a convenience store. The guy was very aggressive and when he was shot when he was walking straight to the officer.
I haven't seen these people making this claim but it doesn't really matter if they are as anyone with any common sense knows it happens.
That's where the fake news/yellow jounalists come in. It's extremely easy to take one insignificant person and make them the face of a movement against the will of the majority. We really need to do something about them as a society.
I'd hope that the black-on-black violence debate would pretty much go away completely if some BLM supporters got the memo and stopped claiming that black-on-black violence didn't exist at all. At this point it's mostly a reaction to a reaction to a few people fallaciously saying that white-on-black violence didn't matter because black-on-black violence is more prevalent. We keep having huge nation-wide arguments about reactions to reactions to reactions to reactions, and it's driving everyone insane. @.@
I would really get going on this, but I have to lay out these absolute, ground level, bottom floor basics to even take down the asinine assumptions that lead to these fallacious discussions.
There is no such thing as black-on-black crime, as a social phenomenon. The concept of "black-on-black" crime is a spurious narrative; why should BLM accept it?
The Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that most people who are victims of violent crime are victimized by someone they know. People criminalize the people they live near: that's it.
People with spurious motives like to point out the, for example, 2013 FBI report that shows 90% of black people are murdered by other black people.
They deliberately leave out the fact that in that SAME 2013 FBI report, 83% of white victims of murder were killed by white people.
Virtually every study ever done demonstrates that crime is a socioeconomic phenomenon, not a racial one.
In the Household Poverty & Nonfatal Violent Victimization Report (2008-2012), it straight up says: "Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)."
So the fact that we talk about black-on-black violence specifically, and not white-on-white violence or crime, is questionable.
Cops shooting blacks because of their skin colour?
They don't shoot blacks because of their skin color, they do profile them as potentially dangerous individuals which can and will lead to them either accosting them for no reason, brutally assaulting them for no reason, or shooting them for no reason.
Where's the proof that all the unarmed blacks which is a really small section are all killed by racist cops?
Where's the proof across our country that our Criminal Justice System doesn't have a race problem?
Particularly in how police deal with minorities
40% of the police that are killed are killed by the minority demographic,
It's interesting you ask me to cite something then mention something without properly citing what you're mentioning
This claim also casually ignores the number of whites that have killed cops, which of course is higher than the number you're throwing around for blacks.
not only that cops are actually 18.3 times more likely to be killed from a black than a black being killed by a cop.
Once again don't throw around seemingly made up numbers around without proper citation. Especially if you're doing it to make a point you very well can't justify.
Look, it's wrong to disrespect a grave of someone, but you have the media painting Michael brown as a saint,
Yeah all of the media painted him as a saint….especially the conservative media with their paid op-ed minded contributors, panelists, and shills.
good kid going to college when he isn't
He had just graduated from high school prior to his death. So of course he wasn't in college at the time.
and was very aggressive,
Based on the testimony of an officer who oversold how much danger he was in (and testified he was scared of Brown), and based off eyewitness testimony which is considered one of the most flawed forms of testimony for a variety of reasons?
Only two people know what actually went down that day and one of them is dead and buried.
he was even seen moments earlier being violent with someone in a convenience store.
This completely justifies shooting him six times how? Especially since he still wasn't armed.
The guy was very aggressive and when he was shot when he was walking straight to the officer.
It's funny because people keep saying he was running towards the officer, if was walking towards him instead of running at him that makes Wilson shooting him even more unnecessary to say nothing of Wilson's recklessness in engaging Brown all by himself.
I would really get going on this, but I have to lay out these absolute, ground level, bottom floor basics to even take down the asinine assumptions that lead to these fallacious discussions.
There is no such thing as black-on-black crime, as a social phenomenon. The concept of "black-on-black" crime is a spurious narrative; why should BLM accept it?
The Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that most people who are victims of violent crime are victimized by someone they know. People criminalize the people they live near: that's it.
People with spurious motives like to point out the, for example, 2013 FBI report that shows 90% of black people are murdered by other black people.
They deliberately leave out the fact that in that SAME 2013 FBI report, 83% of white victims of murder were killed by white people.Virtually every study ever done demonstrates that crime is a socioeconomic phenomenon, not a racial one.
In the Household Poverty & Nonfatal Violent Victimization Report (2008-2012), it straight up says: "Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)."So the fact that we talk about black-on-black violence specifically, and not white-on-white violence or crime, is questionable.
I think maybe it's a reaction to the perceived message of "white people are coming into black neighborhoods en masse and shooting up the place".
I'm really not sure who has said that, maybe it was a fake news quote, but it's definitely the message that's being reacted to. If this is entirely backlash against a few clips of racist black people beating up white people at riots and a false BLM narrative promoted by right-leaning fake news sites, we have a serious problem as a society.
@Monkey:
A couple people said it therefore now its the same problem according to the rules of crazy land.
Obviously a couple of people saying something doesn't make it true, but it's relevant because it got repeated a lot. You yourself have stated that widely-believed untruths helped keep Hillary out of the white house.
Real talk tho: why are y'all responding to people pushing racist myths with sarcasm?
You know they don't get it, right?
Holy crap a whole entire other thread full of this same bullshit as in the election thread? What a nightmare!
Real talk tho: why are y'all responding to people pushing racist myths with sarcasm?
You know they don't get it, right?
I wish someone had told me this three weeks ago.
Real talk tho: why are y'all responding to people pushing racist myths with sarcasm?
You know they don't get it, right?
We could respond to them with facts but they think those are all made up by the liberal media.
Seriously, they're pushing narratives so flawed, so facile–so ahistorical-- I'm wondering why bother to be cute about it? It's kind of a waste, isn't it?
They just do Not. Want. To get it. Frankly, they aren't even here to get it.
Sort of like laughing the pain away, maybe? Sarcasm as self-care? I don't know…we're all fucked.
Seriously, they're pushing narratives so flawed, so facile–so ahistorical-- I'm wondering why bother to be cute about it? It's kind of a waste, isn't it?
They just do Not. Want. To get it. Frankly, they aren't even here to get it.
Some of them seem to want to get it. I think it's a waste to respond to those people with nothing but sarcasm, personally.
Funny: cos their behavior looks to me like they just don't want to appear racist or racism-adjacent, and are screaming loudly out into the void to drown out the inherent shallowness of their presumptions.
Racism-adjacent. Did you just coin that phrase?
Cause it's a pretty witty turn of phrase
Racism-adjacent. Did you just coin that phrase?
Nope.
[http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2016/07/all-lives-matter-racist/
(](http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2016/07/all-lives-matter-racist/)"article" is click-baity, but points are legit, and the term is real)
Seems like a very applicable term, that fills a certain void.
Advocating for a white history month seems like full-on racism to me. The other stuff is in that grey area (aside from straight pride… that seems like full-on homophobia and not a race issue at all).
If it was "American history month" and celebrated the achievements of as many different cultural groups as possible within our country, that might be cool.
If Black History Month can exist than so can White History Month.
We really should just celebrate our shared history and not divide people by race.
@Bilbo:
If Black History Month can exist than so can White History Month.
We really should just celebrate our shared history and not divide people by race.
We already learn all about white history in public school, though. What would even be accomplished by having a White History Month?
They don't shoot blacks because of their skin color, they do profile them as potentially dangerous individuals which can and will lead to them either accosting them for no reason, brutally assaulting them for no reason, or shooting them for no reason.
Where's the proof across our country that our Criminal Justice System doesn't have a race problem?
Particularly in how police deal with minorities
It's interesting you ask me to cite something then mention something without properly citing what you're mentioning
This claim also casually ignores the number of whites that have killed cops, which of course is higher than the number you're throwing around for blacks.Once again don't throw around seemingly made up numbers around without proper citation. Especially if you're doing it to make a point you very well can't justify.
Yeah all of the media painted him as a saint….especially the conservative media with their paid op-ed minded contributors, panelists, and shills.
He had just graduated from high school prior to his death. So of course he wasn't in college at the time.
Based on the testimony of an officer who oversold how much danger he was in (and testified he was scared of Brown), and based off eyewitness testimony which is considered one of the most flawed forms of testimony for a variety of reasons?
Only two people know what actually went down that day and one of them is dead and buried.
This completely justifies shooting him six times how? Especially since he still wasn't armed.
It's funny because people keep saying he was running towards the officer, if was walking towards him instead of running at him that makes Wilson shooting him even more unnecessary to say nothing of Wilson's recklessness in engaging Brown all by himself.
Not making things up, this is pulled from the FBI data. I copied these details for people to read below;
Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.
Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.
Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force.
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They also got a civil rights activist to be put in the shoes of a cop to see the split decisions cops need to make when it comes to shooting a suspect.
Alright here you go, people.
I called this thread so hard
Oh, that's right, because violent crime in the community and police killings are perfectly correlated, right SuburbanErrorist?
I didn't see this graph properly, and looking at it again, it's not a split between blacks and whites, this is as a whole. It gives me more reason to believe it should be a movement against police without the race factor involved. There is an issue with police, but groups like BLM are all pointing to racism if a black is killed by a white cop. Majority of cops killing without taking into account if armed, unarmed fall under White, Black, Hispanic.
Cops are disproportionately killing blacks? Blacks are disproportionately killing cops.
But as Mac Donald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.
When people stereotype the black demographic, it is a fact that they contribute to more of the murders, assaults and robberies.
Then we have the actual facts of the Michael brown case , not so innocent. It was actually a gun struggle with the police officer, not a hands up shoot down from a racist cop.
@CCC:
Holy crap a whole entire other thread full of this same bullshit as in the election thread? What a nightmare!
And in the news thread … and a few other places. I got so tired of seeing multiple threads taken over ... and a few cases of conversation spreading both threads... that I searched to see if there was a already a thread for it, and asked a mod to move it (from the News thread) here or make new thread.
At least all the talk can happen in one spot now. .... hopefully.
Am I the only one getting confused thinking I am in the news article thread ? E.g. Katzztars on the top
And in the news thread … and a few other places. I got so tired of seeing multiple threads taken over ... and a few cases of conversation spreading both threads... that I searched to see if there was a already a thread for it, and asked a mod to move it (from the News thread) here or make new thread.
At least all the talk can happen in one spot now. .... hopefully.
He actually posted that in the news thread.
I would really get going on this, but I have to lay out these absolute, ground level, bottom floor basics to even take down the asinine assumptions that lead to these fallacious discussions.
There is no such thing as black-on-black crime, as a social phenomenon. The concept of "black-on-black" crime is a spurious narrative; why should BLM accept it?
The Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that most people who are victims of violent crime are victimized by someone they know. People criminalize the people they live near: that's it.
People with spurious motives like to point out the, for example, 2013 FBI report that shows 90% of black people are murdered by other black people.
They deliberately leave out the fact that in that SAME 2013 FBI report, 83% of white victims of murder were killed by white people.Virtually every study ever done demonstrates that crime is a socioeconomic phenomenon, not a racial one.
In the Household Poverty & Nonfatal Violent Victimization Report (2008-2012), it straight up says: "Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)."So the fact that we talk about black-on-black violence specifically, and not white-on-white violence or crime, is questionable.
The point people try to make when they bring up black-on-black crime as a response to BLM protesting against a specific case, is that the crime and murder rate in the black community is so high that protesting against a cop killing somebody is a waste of time. I certainly bought into this line of reasoning like a year ago, but I've come to recognise that cops killing people and walking away is a lot more dire. Considering it says a lot about the attitude of police, the police department and the justice system as a whole and also of course, me recognizing that there are movements that take a stand against crime in inner city neighborhoods. The only problem there is that they don't get much if any coverage.
As for whether or not the crime rate in the black community can be considered a social phenomenon. I don't know what else to call a circumstance in which the leading cause of death for males between 15-34 within a demographic is homicide. The fact that this has basically become a meme used as a rethorical device these days is disgusting. But I sure would say that gang violence in inner city black communities is a huge sociological factor.
The system Is broken.
It has BEEN broken.
The Walter Scott case ending in mistrial is further proof of this.
It doesn't surprise me anymore. It hasn't in a while.
The system Is broken.
It has BEEN broken.
The Walter Scott case ending in mistrial is further proof of this.
It doesn't surprise me anymore. It hasn't in a while.
I'm curious about why the jurors couldn't reach a verdict.
Did some of them believe it was manslaughter and not murder? Was one of them just racist? Was evidence presented during the case that we aren't aware of?
I found this comparison online black vs white crime. Everything is broken down, even by the types of crimes. It shows what would happen if the white and blacks were reversed, also if it was normalised meaning if the white and blacks had the same population
It's not racist for people to have pre conceived thoughts of people based on the fact that, blacks are committing around 50%+ of different crime categories when they are the smaller demographic. Police have no idea what type of person they are dealing with.
and is really shown how illogical the BLM group can be if you watch the video.The article in the first link concludes this;
It seems apparent that aggression/violence are found far more tolerable within the black population than in the any other population. In order to solve the problem, it must become intolerable… and any effective solution, no doubt, must come from within the black community itself. The prisons are full and it's not stopping anything.