Media should be in CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS mode because GOP keeps winning house and presidency without popular mandate. Instead bellyaching about how they got the polls wrong.
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This is the only way I can deal. Fighting as hard as I can. Trying to protect anybody, and if I can't protect them at least let them know that I care for them. I can't handle "everything will be fine" style optimism, and yes Kaiolino I know we should have done something 18 months ago and that it's too little too late. But if there is ANYTHING good I can do, even if it's tiny and insignificant compared to the huge glob of awfulness surrounding everything, then I'd rather do that than say "OH WELL, I GUESS EVERYTHING IS PERMANENTLY SCREWED FOREVER. HUH."
and i know you're in the netherlands and you can't do anything to fix things in the US, so I'm not trying to attack you or anybody else for probably being realistic about what will likely happen. This is just my coping mechanism; telling myself that I will do everything I can to mitigate the damage.
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Media should be in CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS mode because GOP keeps winning house and presidency without popular mandate. Instead bellyaching about how they got the polls wrong.
Trump won 31 states to Clintons 19 and was leading her all the way in the popular vote until she defeated him overwhelmingly in the far-left leaning California. It's not perfect, but the electoral college allows for a more broad perspective on how the entire country feels as opposed to allowing just a couple of titan states likes Texas or California decide entire elections all on their own. That's my take on why we use an electoral college, anyway.
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This is the only way I can deal. Fighting as hard as I can. Trying to protect anybody, and if I can't protect them at least let them know that I care for them. I can't handle "everything will be fine" style optimism, and yes Kaiolino I know we should have done something 18 months ago and that it's too little too late. But if there is ANYTHING good I can do, even if it's tiny and insignificant compared to the huge glob of awfulness surrounding everything, then I'd rather do that than say "OH WELL, I GUESS EVERYTHING IS PERMANENTLY SCREWED FOREVER. HUH."
and i know you're in the netherlands and you can't do anything to fix things in the US, so I'm not trying to attack you or anybody else for probably being realistic about what will likely happen. This is just my coping mechanism; telling myself that I will do everything I can to mitigate the damage.
You shouldn't stop fighting. He has no popular mandate. You don't owe him or that party anything. Let your party know that they should obstruct as much as they can and not make the same mistakes they made during the Bush years. Let the world know that there is still a better America who keeps getting screwed.
But I will not stop harping on the media, mostly because that's how we got the populists in the Netherlands too and how their voters became a protected class of higher standing than every other voter and how other parties started desperately pandering to these voters (despite being a vast minority). Dems must not fall in that trap. It's a race to the bottom.
Freaking out is my coping mechanism. SARAH PALIN AND BEN CARSON AND BEN CARSON ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR CABINET POSITIONS WHAAAAAAAAT
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Wait what? Where? When? I was there this evening and the mood was pretty light.
Sorry lost track of this message.
http://komonews.com/news/local/gunman-at-large-after-shooting-5-people-in-downtown-seattle
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Trump won 31 states to Clintons 19 and was leading her all the way in the popular vote until she defeated him overwhelmingly in the far-left leaning California. It's not perfect, but the electoral college allows for a more broad perspective on how the entire country feels as opposed to allowing just a couple of titan states likes Texas or California decide entire elections all on their own.
Rural America has much more power than California, one of the world's biggest economies. California keeps those states afloat and pays the price every time. The electoral college (and the senate) is a sham.
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Rural America has much more power than California, one of the world's biggest economies. California keeps those states afloat and pays the price every time. The electoral college (and the senate) is a sham.
Like I said, it's not a perfect system. I probably wouldn't be too happy myself if I lived in Cali and knew my vote didn't have nearly as much impact as someone from New Hampshire, but I can see both sides of the equation. I don't know what the happy median is, unfortunately.
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Ben Carson is gonna go places as the world's first comatose cabinet member
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Plus, goodluck with Keystone with Trudeau in power in Canada… at least I hope.
No Trudeau has said repeatedly that he supports the construction of the pipeline. Trump has as well, but his whole rhetoric about patriotic trade-deals and profit sharing might complicate things. This would be really good for Alberta.
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Trump won 31 states to Clintons 19 and was leading her all the way in the popular vote until she defeated him overwhelmingly in the far-left leaning California. It's not perfect, but the electoral college allows for a more broad perspective on how the entire country feels as opposed to allowing just a couple of titan states likes Texas or California decide entire elections all on their own. That's my take on why we use an electoral college, anyway.
California doesn't decide the popular vote on its own. You're acting like there aren't any Republicans in California, or that some of the votes in the swing states weren't really close (Pennsylvania for example). The EC makes Trump's victory look much larger than it was because it's winner take all.
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I for one am enjoying all the hysteria.
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No Trudeau has said repeatedly that he supports the construction of the pipeline. Trump has as well, but his whole rhetoric about patriotic trade-deals and profit sharing might complicate things. This would be really good for Alberta.
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California doesn't decide the popular vote on its own. You're acting like there aren't any Republicans in California, or that some of the votes in the swing states weren't really close (Pennsylvania for example). The EC makes Trump's victory look much larger than it was because it's winner take all.
She annihilated him in Cali by 3 million votes and still only won the popular vote by about 200k. Every other state was close, relatively speaking, with both Trump (31 states) and Hillary (19 states) winning the majority votes in the states that they picked up. So yeah, you kind of are saying that Cali's votes matter more than the rest of the country.
That being said, I also understand that Cali voters shouldn't feel like their vote is worthless. The systrm needs some reworking.
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Future Secretary of Defense Michael Flynn wants to extradite Fethullah Güllen to Turkey, where he will most likely be executed for organizing the failed coup (that he probably had nothing to do with).
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You shouldn't stop fighting. He has no popular mandate. You don't owe him or that party anything. Let your party know that they should obstruct as much as they can and not make the same mistakes they made during the Bush years. Let the world know that there is still a better America who keeps getting screwed.
But I will not stop harping on the media, mostly because that's how we got the populists in the Netherlands too and how their voters became a protected class of higher standing than every other voter and how other parties started desperately pandering to these voters (despite being a vast minority). Dems must not fall in that trap. It's a race to the bottom.
Freaking out is my coping mechanism. SARAH PALIN AND BEN CARSON AND BEN CARSON ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR CABINET POSITIONS WHAAAAAAAAT
Ah, I get that. Yeah, I'm fucking furious at everybody in the media as well. And Jimmy Fallon. And it's definitely NOT about poor voters going Trump like the myth is going- they mostly voted for Clinton, it was the middle class and rich white dudes who voted Trump. Either out of hate or because they were gullible and indifferent JUST enough to elect a conman as president.
Honestly, I think the only thing scarier than the hatred in this country is the indifference, which was obviously what half of America (and twice the number of Trump voters) chose. That's what's always decided whether shit goes from horrible to unsurvivable.
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He's definitely going to start with the Wall. Obama lost a lot of support from his supporters in 2009 by not doing "enough" of his campaign promises. Trump is going to move full speed ahead with his insane plans because nobody is going to stop him and they've got 2018 in the bag anyway. The GOP doesn't care about debt when they're in power and it creates jobs.
Wasn't the biggest reason Obama didn't meet many his campaign promises was because GOP blocked him and refused to worker with him? I thought he tried but was stalled, like with Gitmo.
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How is this not a story?!?!??! Russia had contact with Trump team during campaign.
Oh, right media too busy talking about precious rural voters and also not taking responsibility for electing a madman.
This is illegal, isn't it? Could this be grounds for an investigation and maybe even impeachment?
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She annihilated him in Cali by 3 million votes and still only won the popular vote by about 200k. Every other state was close, relatively speaking, with both Trump (31 states) and Hillary (19 states) winning the majority votes in the states that they picked up. So yeah, you kind of are saying that Cali's votes matter more than the rest of the country.
That being said, I also understand that Cali voters shouldn't feel like their vote is worthless. The systrm needs some reworking.
I think people are simply saying that in the year of our lord two thousand sixteen it might perhaps make sense to have all votes worth the same.
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This is illegal, isn't it? Could this be grounds for an investigation and maybe even impeachment?
Sadly, a sitting president can only be impeached for an act committed once already in office.
We would need, say, tapes of Trump conspiring to commit treason with the Russians from inside the oval office itself. Fat chance, I would say, but who knows. We live in the upsidedown now.
And yes, the electoral college is massive bullshit for all sorts of reasons (started to preserve chattel slavery, for one!). Just the possibility of faithless electors is completely insane, though also highly appealing all of a sudden… Hmm...
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On the Electoral College: One video I watched said they decided on that system because of the times when information couldn't travel so fast, so they needed to send a person entrusted with what the people of a state voted. Going by this, we have no need for it nowadays anymore.
That said, I'm sure there are more things that factored in for that decision, don't have the time to do research about it though.
Of course I'm biased being from Germany/Europe, but just counting the individual votes and having the President with the majority win would be the best decision, in my opinion (like the French model, though they have multiple rounds till the President gets the majority). -
Yeah I'm inclined to say that people in actually populated areas might make more of a difference than Billy Bob and his twelve inbred kids, or the pack of wolves that are eating the corpses of the two people that lived in Wyoming
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Heiko Maas, Federal Minister of Justice (Germany): "Elected Trump is a bitter warning. We have to call the reasons for fear,hate and foreclosure and fight them in a more resolute way." / "There will be no apocalypse, the world just becomes even more insane."
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This got me curious, I wonder what Hungary's king has to say about all this:
https://www.rt.com/news/366295-orban-hails-trump-win/
OF FUCKING COURSE
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He's gonna backpedal and prioritize pleasing the donor class over the angry goons.
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What do you guys think of Micheal Moore's posts?
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Day Two's To-Do List:
1. Must quickly and decisively form an opposition movement, the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1960s. I will do my part to help lead this as I'm sure many others (Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, MoveOn, the hip-hop community, DFA, etc.) will, too. The core of this opposition force will be fueled by young people who, as with Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter, don't tolerate b.s. and are relentless in their resistance to authority. They have no interest in compromising with racists and misogynists.2. Prepare to impeach Trump. Just as the Republicans were already planning to do with President Hillary from Day One, we must organize the apparatus that will bring charges against him when he violates his oath and breaks the law – and then we must remove him from office.
3. Must commit right now to a vigorous fight (including civil disobedience, if necessary) which will block any and all Donald Trump Supreme Court nominees who do not meet our approval. We demand the Democrats in the Senate aggressively filibuster any nominees who support Citizens United or who oppose the rights of women, immigrants and the poor. This is non-negotiable.
4. Demand the DNC apologize to Bernie Sanders for trying to fix the primaries against him, for spinning the press to ignore his historic campaign, for giving Clinton the questions in advance at the Flint debate, for its latent ageism and anti-Semism in trying to turn voters against him because of his age or religious beliefs, and for its anti-democracy system of "superdelegates" who are elected by no one. We all know now had Bernie been given a fair shot, he probably would have been the nominee and he -- as the true outsider and "change" candidate --would have inspired and fired up the base and soundly defeated Donald Trump. If no apology is soon forthcoming from the DNC, that's ok -- when we take over the Democratic Party (see yesterday's To-Do List, #1), we will issue the apology in person.
5. Demand that President Obama establish a Special Prosecutor to investigate who and what was behind FBI Director James Comey's illegal interference into the Presidential election 11 days before the vote was held.
6. Begin a national push while it's fresh in everyone's mind for a constitutional amendment to fix our broken electoral system: 1. Eliminate the Electoral College -- popular vote only. 2. Paper ballots only -- no electronic voting. 3. Election Day must be made a holiday for all -- or held on a weekend so more people vote. 4. All citizens, regardless of any run-ins with the criminal "justice" system, must have the right to vote. (In swing states like Florida and Virginia, 30-40% of all Black men are prohibited by law from voting.)
7. Convince President Obama to immediately do what he should have done a year ago: Send in the Army Corps of Engineers to Flint to dig up and replace all the poisoned pipes. NOTHING HAS CHANGED; the water in Flint is still unusable.
Will try to get these done by sundown. More To-Do tomorrow...
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I think the plan 'Let's act like the assholes that stymied Obama's progress in congress and show the emotional handling of a petulant toddler' is shortsighted and unhealthy.
I'm all for starting a movement to get more young people involved in politics, opening up voting on the weekend, and blocking bills that are just plain bad but 'prepare to impeach Trump'? Damn, the man hasn't even started screwing up yet. People saying that 8 and 4 years ago about Obama before he even took office rightly deserved a few rounds of criticism too.
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> 1. Must quickly and decisively form an opposition movement, the likes of which hasn't been seen since the 1960s. I will do my part to help lead this as I'm sure many others (Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, MoveOn, the hip-hop community, DFA, etc.) will, too. The core of this opposition force will be fueled by young people who, as with Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter, don't tolerate b.s. and are relentless in their resistance to authority. They have no interest in compromising with racists and misogynists. What are they opposing? Trump hasn't done anything. Of course, people shouldn't wait for stuff to get really bad, but immediately engaging in conflict isn't going to help anything at all.
> 2. Prepare to impeach Trump. Just as the Republicans were already planning to do with President Hillary from Day One, we must organize the apparatus that will bring charges against him when he violates his oath and breaks the law – and then we must remove him from office. OK, but that's if he breaks the law. Might actually be more difficult than he thinks.
> 3. Must commit right now to a vigorous fight (including civil disobedience, if necessary) which will block any and all Donald Trump Supreme Court nominees who do not meet our approval. We demand the Democrats in the Senate aggressively filibuster any nominees who support Citizens United or who oppose the rights of women, immigrants and the poor. This is non-negotiable. I'm going to take a gander that he was not a fan of Republicans blocking any of Obama's nominees, and now he's just gonna take their approach? I mean, I get it, I don't want a candidate that would actively go against human rights, but at least SOME cooperation and compromise will be needed from Democrats if we actually want this government, like it or not, to function.
> 4. Demand the DNC apologize to Bernie Sanders for trying to fix the primaries against him, for spinning the press to ignore his historic campaign, for giving Clinton the questions in advance at the Flint debate, for its latent ageism and anti-Semism in trying to turn voters against him because of his age or religious beliefs, and for its anti-democracy system of "superdelegates" who are elected by no one. We all know now had Bernie been given a fair shot, he probably would have been the nominee and he – as the true outsider and "change" candidate --would have inspired and fired up the base and soundly defeated Donald Trump. If no apology is soon forthcoming from the DNC, that's ok -- when we take over the Democratic Party (see yesterday's To-Do List, #1), we will issue the apology in person. Siiiiigggh….this one is a doozy. He goes the easy way like many leftists and falls back on race and religion as the reason why Bernie didn't succeed, when the truthful and much simpler answer is that the Dems didn't care much for Bernie because he was an outsider many of them did not agree with. And sure, I didn't particularly care for their actions in the DNC, but the fact is that it changed nothing. Hillary was the presumptive nominee before the convention and would have done the same thing: won by millions of votes.
And honestly, I'm kind of doubtful that Bernie could have beaten Trump. He may not have had the baggage that Hillary did, but would his extremism have had the same effect? At least Hillary was pretty appealing to moderate minorities; could we have expected Bernie to carry those?
> 5. Demand that President Obama establish a Special Prosecutor to investigate who and what was behind FBI Director James Comey's illegal interference into the Presidential election 11 days before the vote was held. Never gonna happen. And was the investigation actually illegal?
> 6. Begin a national push while it's fresh in everyone's mind for a constitutional amendment to fix our broken electoral system: 1. Eliminate the Electoral College – popular vote only. 2. Paper ballots only -- no electronic voting. 3. Election Day must be made a holiday for all -- or held on a weekend so more people vote. 4. All citizens, regardless of any run-ins with the criminal "justice" system, must have the right to vote. (In swing states like Florida and Virginia, 30-40% of all Black men are prohibited by law from voting.) I agree with eliminating the Electoral College, that's nothing new. And were electronic ballots used? We used paper ones in my area. And OK, I'm not opposed to election day becoming a holiday, but early voting does exist, as well as absentee voting.
> 7. Convince President Obama to immediately do what he should have done a year ago: Send in the Army Corps of Engineers to Flint to dig up and replace all the poisoned pipes. NOTHING HAS CHANGED; the water in Flint is still unusable. Never gonna happen.
Guy seems to overestimate what both Obama and Trump are able to do.
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His Day 1 and 2 lists are awesome and full of wonderful ideas (sole exception being paper ballots- that sounds like a bizarre, losing prospect). Here's hoping we can accomplish even a fraction of that; the coalition he listed can only do so much in the face of (soon-to-be) Rep.-control in all three branches.
I have no qualms with stymieing the sort of "progress" Trump, Pence, and Republicans want to make. "Same thing both sides" rings hollow when only one side wants to deport Muslims and de-legalize abortion.
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Hahahaha, look at the bust of Martin Luther King staring at Trump in the background at 2:00 minutes and onward.
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Vacationing in the far left wilderness (or at least creating the illusion of such a thing) is a recipe for disaster. See Labour in the UK.
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His Day 1 and 2 lists are awesome and full of wonderful ideas (sole exception being paper ballots- that sounds like a bizarre, losing prospect). Here's hoping we can accomplish even a fraction of that; the coalition he listed can only do so much in the face of (soon-to-be) Rep.-control in all three branches.
I have no qualms with stymieing the sort of "progress" Trump, Pence, and Republicans want to make. "Same thing both sides" rings hollow when only one side wants to deport Muslims and de-legalize abortion.
Nothing he's saying in his to-do list gives me confidence that he wants progress at all. He sounds like a baby. 'Wah, wah, wah, let's see how the Republicans like it!' For goodness sake he's still talking about the DNC apologizing to Bernie Sanders for "fixing" the primaries! And I was one of the main ones on Bernie's side over this whole DNC debacle because, yes, there was obvious bias which went against the DNC's charter but they didn't "fix" the primaries. They didn't orchestrate 4 million more people to to vote Hillary over Bernie.
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Hahahaha, look at the bust of Martin Luther King staring at Trump in the background at 2:00 minutes and onward.
Argh all of those clicking sounds. I could barely hear them.
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From bbc
! > President Hassan Rouhani said the result would not have any impact on Iran's policies. He was quoted by state media as saying the election result reflected internal discontent and instability within the US which would take a long time to be solved.
Speaking in relation to the Iran nuclear deal, President Rouhani asserted that it was a clever move by the Iranian government to establish it as a UN Security Council resolution rather than a deal with a single government.
Earlier Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif was quoted by the official Irna news agency as saying that the new US president should stick by the deal.
"Iran and America have no political relations, but it is important that the future US president realises his duty to uphold the multilateral obligations of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, and we expect the international community to require this of the United States of America," he said.
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Maybe i was too worried or maybe trump will still manage to cancel it who knows
UN resolutions didn't stop the Iraq war.
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UN resolutions didn't stop the Iraq war.
they didnt stop 8 years iran iraq war aswell but one can hope
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I'm looking over Moore's litte to do lists. Take a look at #3. Bolded for emphasis.@Moore:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and "come together." They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.
3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn't wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.
4. Everyone must stop saying they are "stunned" and "shocked". What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren't paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all "You're fired!" Trump's victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: "HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he's president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we'll continue to have presidents we didn't elect and didn't want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there's climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don't want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the "liberal" position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen. (see: #1 above).
Now that can mean 1 of 2 things. Either he's encouraging Democrats to obstruct the laws they don't like which is fine or he's encouraging them to actually obstruct "in the way" Republicans did against Barack Obama for 8 years which means petty votes against anything on Trump's agenda even if they secretly agree with it or it's good for the country.
Take note, I don't even disagree with everything on his lists but the whole tone is that of a sore loser who learned the wrong lesson.
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What do you guys think of Micheal Moore's posts?
His Day 1 list was about the steps necessary for a party to look inside itself and realize where it had failed and how it could rebuild itself in order to address the problems of a new generation of voters which are not happy.
His Day 2 list is just a petty program to block future initiatives through actions outside of the representative institutions which they rightfully lost.
Haha, point 1 is cute. "Oh shit, here comes the hip-hop community! We´re fucked fellas, there goes my plan for a wall in the border. Jay-Z is gonna bust my ass into the ground with his mad rhymes."It seems like both lists were done by a completely different person.
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Argh all of those clicking sounds. I could barely hear them.
We can send a person to space but we can't make a quiet professional camera I guess.
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Guess you guys feel about the same as I do. Some good ideas, but the way it's presented is unrealistic as hell. People are supposed to try to accomplish all of that on day 2? He should've minimized it to two points, maybe 1 and 6.
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His Day 1 list was about the steps necessary for a party to look inside itself and realize where it had failed and how it could rebuild itself in order to address the problems of a new generation of voters which are not happy.
His Day 2 list is just a petty program to block future initiatives through actions outside of the representative institutions which they rightfully lost.
Haha, point 1 is cute. "Oh shit, here comes the hip-hop community! We´re fucked fellas, there goes my plan for a wall in the border. Jay-Z is gonna bust my ass into the ground with his mad rhymes."It seems like both lists were done by a completely different person.
Nah, his call for obstructionism showed up in the first list too. Again, it can be positive or it can be negative. The way he's making it out to be seems to encourage the latter.
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The Bernie Sanders stab-in-the-back myth is going to haunt the Democrats for a generation.
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Guess you guys feel about the same as I do. Some good ideas, but the way it's presented is unrealistic as hell. People are supposed to try to accomplish all of that on day 2? He should've minimized it to two points, maybe 1 and 6.
But I don't think he actually wants people to accomplish any of these things in a matter of days. Rather eventually and because of this election.
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But to Moore's credit, unrelated, he was dead right on why Trump would win. And these 5 points were written in July.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/michael-moore-5-reasons-why-trump-will-win
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Nah, his call for obstructionism showed up in the first list too. Again, it can be positive or it can be negative. The way he's making it out to be seems to encourage the latter.
On point 3, yes. But the list seems more dominated with the theme of "don´t get discouraged, take the opportunity to reflect and change". Even point 5 which can be read as a rant about the electoral college I read as "If you think your country is full of racist and misogynist biggots, remember that a big amount of people voted for the candidate with ideas opposed to those."
List 2 is just, well, "Wah, wah, wah, let's see how the Republicans like it!".And since we are talking about Moore:http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
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Eh. I don't see Dems shooting down bills that would actually be positives (?) out of spite or outright saying "filibuster literally everything" or trying to un-repeal the ACA 40+ times (after it's dead) when it's obvious they don't have the numbers to do so making it a huge waste of time and money, and given Moore's unrelenting quest for social justice, I can't imagine he's seriously advocating we sacrifice progress in the name of pettiness. More like, "95% of the conservative agenda is utterly irredeemably toxic and regressive re: taxes/environment/civil rights/women's rights/GLBTQ+ rights/immigration/foreign policy, so hell yes we should obstruct all that, same as ever, with renewed fervor." Because obstructing the remaining 5% of neutral/good things would, yes, look very bad/petty/childish, of course. Seriously though if the Dems cause government shutdowns, I'll eat my hat.
Agreed, though- DNC never gonna apologize for any unsubstantiated rigging/fraud, though, and doing so for whatever reason would do more overall harm than good.
[Not quite] unrelated: holy shit Muslim ban is still on the official agenda
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/10/trump-campaign-staff-deletes-mention-of-muslim-ban-from-website/A](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/10/trump-campaign-staff-deletes-mention-of-muslim-ban-from-website/)lso holy shit muslim registry:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/"Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question."
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Muslim ban will happen. Wall will happen. Immigration is his core policy.
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Yeah, very unrealistic. You have to accept your elected president unless you really want a civil-war-like movement. Just choke the bitter pill, get up in 4 years and keep on moving.
A percentage of people couldn't accept Obama because his skin tone, progressive agenda, or his denomination as a Christian (accusing him of being a Muslim despite Republicans raising a stink about his Christian pastor).
And yet we didn't have any Civil War so no we don't have to accept Trump especially if his agenda winds up hurting people. Grit our teeth and bear his tenure for 4 years but not accept him.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Ugh. Seeing far too many Facebook posts already about Muslims being attacked for the hijabs and go home n-word messages to random people. It's been 1 day..
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Hah! Trump's Muslim ban got nothing on my Global Entry card! Watch me stroll thru the border with a spherical energy shield with all the anti-Muslim lasers bouncing off.
Your Kosher Pastrami Sandwiches will never be safe from me! Nevaaaaarrrr!
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Ugh. Seeing far too many Facebook posts already about Muslims being attacked for the hijabs and go home n-word messages to random people. It's been 1 day..
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NYT learning all the wrong lessons: http://deadline.com/2016/11/shocked-by-trump-new-york-times-finds-time-for-soul-searching-1201852490/
Uh, next time don't chase a silly Clinton Foundation non-scandal??? Or whine about emails for 18 months maybe??? Oh, but the real mistake was not seeing enough of the angry white voter even though Trump received less votes than Romney.
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This is somehow all Joey Salads fault
