I think MLK said Northern whites were even more vicious than Southern whites because they think they're allies, while the South is at least open about it.
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I don't like the milquetoast revisionism going on where people are trying to distance trump voters from white supremacism. It's absolutely linked and this is not the time to try to give Trump voters the benefit of the doubt and assume the best of them. Whether they did it fully and with awareness or not does not change what we visibly saw.
I only point it out because there's a lot of scary on the platter being presented, such as climate change deniers and the very possibility that LGBT people have to fight harder than ever and cast aside incrementalism to survive. It's best to not sweep under the rug what is very much the ugliest truth.
It's not even revisionism. Hillary lost, and we have to understand why if we don't want something like this happening again.
Obama didn't get elected and achieved important social rights by ignoring half of America.
You know, learn with history all and that so it doesn't repeat itself.
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That was pointed out in the 3rd entry.
It wasn't. Because she's still fixated on small towns with an industrial base. Which still ignores the crap out of the urban industrial areas.
And the cost of living complaint as I recall is among the things that pissed me off the most. One of the things a rural person can actually enjoy a lot is low cost of living.
Her post makes it sound like people living around and in cities are all comfortable upper middle class people. Which is complete bullshit. And living in one of these such areas can be extremely difficult because of high cost….for the natives of the area. Hell the very image I see when I think "blue collar" is some sort of Bruce Springsteen guy working the docks or the factory with his union in an urban area. Who may very well have voted Trump....but is urban.
I mean shit, "OH NO A RURAL PERSON MOVES TO THE CITY AND WORKS AT WALGREENS AND HAS TROUBLE MAKING ENDS MEET", either most people working minimum wage in urban areas are rural transplants....or this person is making a case for the rough life of poor urban folks that occasionally also becomes the life of the poor rural person.The ultimate crime of the article is it steps way the fuck over its boundary of showing viewpoints held by rural people, and straight up attempts to legitimize those views as well. A large portion of those are stupid stereotyped illusions, which is of course good to show as real views held....but to defend and attempt to substantiate them is indefensible and stupid.
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The left has become lazy and cowardly yet they frequently engage in fights to shove equality down the populace's throat? And it's somehow bad the left championed equality because they should have been more considerate and gentle with all the racists, misogynists, and bigots in the electorate? Am I hearing this right?
I know you said that'd be your last post in the thread but please I do want to hear more from you on this subject.
I feel like he´s saying that the only method used for "shoving equality" is imposing it with a self-righteous holier than thou condescending tone while allowing no room for any kind of discussion.
It´s not the racists or misogynists that he is talking about. Those are lost causes and fuck them. But when someone decently moderate has to deal with this kind of attitude, it makes them quite bitter, even taking them to the point of pulling a Trump vote just for the satisfaction of giving a giant middle finger to the so called "SJW". -
To a lot of people who live in white communities experiencing only white men issues, it is absurd for us to really expect them to suddenly have consideration for experiences outside their own without having been educated or raised to do so.
These are simple people, incapable of empathy and understanding. We must approach their village from our canoes with great care less we spook them and they vote for a racist New York City billionaire.
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The bolded is a thing that many people are arguing helped Trump win.
Vilification from the DNC could have intimidated white moderates into siding with Trump (which makes sorta sense as the Reps don't often target straight white men). I think MLK said something about this before.
Examples of the DNC vilification please.
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It wasn't. Because she's still fixated on small towns with an industrial base. Which still ignores the crap out of the urban industrial areas.
And the cost of living complaint as I recall is among the things that pissed me off the most. One of the things a rural person can actually enjoy a lot is low cost of living.
Her post makes it sound like people living around and in cities are all comfortable upper middle class people. Which is complete bullshit. And living in one of these such areas can be extremely difficult because of high cost….for the natives of the area. Hell the very image I see when I think "blue collar" is some sort of Bruce Springsteen guy working the docks or the factory with his union in an urban area. Who may very well have voted Trump....but is urban.
I mean shit, "OH NO A RURAL PERSON MOVES TO THE CITY AND WORKS AT WALGREENS AND HAS TROUBLE MAKING ENDS MEET", either most people working minimum wage in urban areas are rural transplants....or this person is making a case for the rough life of poor urban folks that occasionally also becomes the life of the poor rural person.The ultimate crime of the article is it steps way the fuck over its boundary of showing viewpoints held by rural people, and straight up attempts to legitimize those views as well. A large portion of those are stupid stereotyped illusions, which is of course good to show as real views held....but to defend and attempt to substantiate them is indefensible and stupid.
Or am I not allowed to call stupid things stupid anymore when rural white people believe in them. I guess thats the new PC or something? Because its becoming a theme in this thread.I don't feel like there was an attempt to legitimize those views. I mean the title (How Half of America Lost Its Fucking Mind) should have made it clear.
There's a clear exaggeration, but I think that's part of the point. Rural America is desperate and thus they become dumber, like it was said.
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It's not even revisionism. Hillary lost, and we have to understand why if we don't want something like this happening again.
Obama didn't get elected and achieved important social rights by ignoring half of America.
You know, learn with history all and that so it doesn't repeat itself.
You should google Obama's "guns and religion" comments if you think he isn't ignoring half of America.
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It's not even revisionism. Hillary lost, and we have to understand why if we don't want something like this happening again.
Obama didn't get elected and achieved important social rights by ignoring half of America.
Why do you keep talking like an expert on these topics when all your posts are riddled with a very third hand "I read some articles today" feel?
Because asserting that Obama in 2008, let alone his entire career, wasn't standing at odds with inland White America and being regarded poorly by them is the most blatantly wrong thing you've posted yet.
This has all the flavor of someone who just started paying attention this year.This is revisionism as well. Much like the revisionism that the Trump wave didn't include significant racial undertones as a central plank.
Here's a humdinger for you, did it ever occur to you that the economic grievances and the racial ones are directly tied together? And that this is old ass hat that's been utilized by the Republican party since roughly the early 70's? And can even to some degree go far back as the Ante-Bellum South?
Divide and conquer the underclass by getting the poor whites to blame and feel threatened by the blacks and whoever else.All of this is old to some degree or another. Trump nakedly going for it without any dressing and dogwhistles produces larger turnout from these populations, and wow look what happens.
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I don't feel like there was an attempt to legitimize those views. I mean the title (How Half of America Lost Its Fucking Mind) should have made it clear.
There's a clear exaggeration, but that's part of the point.
Yes, it introduces itself one way, then does not carry on as such.
There are the obvious exaggerations like the Braveheart crap.
Then there's attempts at detailed economic issues (that are flawed as all hell) that are not reporting what a rural white person is thinking at all.And the biggest flaw of course being framing it as rural is totally flawed to begin with. The issue is as much urban rust belt as rural rust belt.
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Trump started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists and ended it with a whammy of an anti-semitic ad. He told it like it is. People know what they voted for.
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just because you shove your viewpoint down the throat doesn't mean you are not lazy.shoving viewpoints to people,disregarding the entire side and groups of people is indeed lazy.resorting to personal attacks rather than a good arguments and debate is lazy.it's not bad that you championed equality,it's how you did it.
and people are doing the same,with essentially dismissing entire groups of people.There's a difference between championing ideas for equality/inclusion and completely disregarding an entire group. One is progressive and the other is indeed lazy. Problem is, no one here was talking about disregarding an entire side or group of people until you came along. Where did you get this idea of disregarding an entire group anyway? Because it's impossible. We know they're there. We know much of the makeup of Trump supporters which is exactly why they've been called out so many times. The exact opposite of "disregard".
Now, you can argue that the argument against Trump supporters is lazy, with all the name calling and personal attacks, which is what I see you're trying to do here but the fact of the matter is that's only part of the argument. What you're doing here is taking the conclusions that are formulated about Trump supporters and ignoring the preface. Hey, that's lazy. Look further.
Have you wondered why anyone has the tendency to call a large segment of Trump's base racist? How about the fact that the KKK endorsed him because they love what the guy is saying about "blacks" and restoring "law and order" to the inner cities. Blaming
Mexicansillegal immigrants on "rising" crime and turning them into the evil boogeyman responsible for America's ills.Have you wondered why anyone has the tendency to call a large segment of Trump's base prejudice? How about the fact that he has called for a ban on an entire people from entering the country based on their religion.
Have you wondered why anyone has the tendency to call a large segment of Trump's base sexist or misogynistic? How about because they support a man who has made deragatory statements about women in the workforce, has attacked and shamed women based on their looks, and has accrued a terrible track record with women accusing him of sexually inappropriate behavior.
Have you wondered why anyone has the tendency to call a large segment of Trump's base angry white male voters? How about the fact that a large portion of his votes came from angry white male voters and a lot of those voters were spurred on by the language "take our country back". Being white and angry isn't necessarily a bad thing mind you. It's when you combine it with any or all of the above that we run into problems.
So it's not just the left being lazy and calling Trump supporters names and going "lalalala you don't exist". Oh, we see them and we acknowledge them. There's a reason why what has been said has been said and it's the truth whether we like it or not, because believe me this is a problem for the entire country.
And if you want to talk about intelligent arguments and debating policy…ummm...been there and still doing that. Both sides have been doing that the entire election cycle. Donald Trump wants to deport 11 million people, build a wall which another country will apparently completely pay for, block Muslims from entering the U.S., impose tarrifs on trade deals, give bigger tax breaks to the rich, and roll back as much of what Obama did in 8 years as he can. I can't emphasize how much people have gone over how terrible a lot of these plans are. Just from a numbers point of view economists have clearly stated that Donald's plans would balloon the national debt far greater than amything Hillary could have done. Just from a numbers point of view deporting 11 million people is impossible!!! Just from a numbers point of view the wall will be too expensi....oh, wait, nvm Mexico got that. Just from a numbers point of view losing the ACA will mean millions of people losing health insurance.
That's all looking at it by the numbers and ignoring the human and social impact. Intelligent conversations have been had. They were all ignored not because we called them names. It's because they didn't believe it or give a fuck.
look,i don't think anyone who voted trump or supported him in some way is not to blame.they most definitely are.their ignorance and bigotry is the darkness that will be the end of everything.
Great, so you do understand. A little melodramatic but, sure, close enough.
but at the same time,all the participants are to blame.that includes the DNC,the democratic voters,the media,the disgusting method of campaigning(seriously?12 women complain on the same day of being assaulted?some after decades of the supposed fact?you want to tell me it's all a co-incidence?not to mention their silence all this time is supposed to be good?).
What does 12 women accusing Donald Trump of assault have to do with Hilary losing the election? You kniw why they came out at around the same time? Because, ignoring that some of those allegations had already been around for years, it was Donald Trump who brought up as an issue sexual misconduct when he brought up Hillary's husband's past. So these women felt it was very hypocritical for him to bring up alleged crimes when he had his own similar closet of skeletons, and when one speaks up it encourages and gives courage to other accusers.
people in this thread blame bernie when he in the end decided to support Hillary and encouraged his supporters to do the same,but his supporters then continued to boo him?
this is the test result,and it says FAIL.if you don't want to acknowledge that,then well nothing can be done about that.
i posted this earlier,but imo the most blame is on ISIS and the media.the former's radicalisation encourages the other's to also radicalise,it's like a chain reaction that will end everything.
and the media is just fucking stupid.i doubt they will learn from this.hopefully they are heavily censorshipped under trump and then learn that sometimes TRP's are not everythingI'm not a fan of the blame game either. As far as I'm concerned the Republicans outvoted the Democrats and that's what happened. We lost. At the same time though we can't ignore the makeup of voters of the Republican party in this election. In fact, for many years from this point on people will be analysing the makeup of voters in both parties trying to figure out who exactly made this election happen…just like they do every single election.
But blaming ISIS as the main pepetrator!? C'mon man.
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It's not even revisionism. Hillary lost, and we have to understand why if we don't want something like this happening again.
You know, learn with history all and that so it doesn't repeat itself.
If would certainly help if the next go around the media calls out Republicans for partisan witch hunts that serve no purpose
along with not having double standards in how they hold candidates accountable for things they do or say,
whoever runs in 2020 isn't besieged by people leaking dubious information at the most inconvenient of times, If somehow the
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@Monkey:
Why do you keep talking like an expert on these topics when all your posts are riddled with a very third hand "I read some articles today" feel?
Because asserting that Obama in 2008, let alone his entire career, wasn't standing at odds with inland White America and being regarded poorly by them is the most blatantly wrong thing you've posted yet.
This has all the flavor of someone who just started paying attention this year.This is revisionism as well. Much like the revisionism that the Trump wave didn't include significant racial undertones as a central plank.
Here's a humdinger for you, did it ever occur to you that the economic grievances and the racial ones are directly tied together? And that this is old ass hat that's been utilized by the Republican party since roughly the early 70's? And can even to some degree go far back as the Ante-Bellum South?
Divide and conquer the underclass by getting the poor whites to blame and feel threatened by the blacks and whoever else.All of this is old to some degree or another. Trump nakedly going for it without any dressing and dogwhistles produces larger turnout from these populations, and wow look what happens.
Like you said, I'm not an expert, and have no intention to talk like one. Trump's election still interests me because he's now president of the world's most influential country now and I'm concerned.
The left is kinda dead in my country right now.
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The Democrat appeal to these populations is water from a well that the Republican poisoned long long ago.
They do not want your social programs, because that takes tax money away from them (well no not their tax bracket but it COULD be theirs some day!!!).
And those programs are being used to spoon feed and coddle the lazy blacks and Mexicans!
Not used by the good folk around here, even though the good folk do in fact partake from them even as they vote to kill them.Practically the only way to break that hold is for the Republicans to be heavily in charge and ruin things. And even then.
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Like you said, I'm not an expert, and have no intention to talk like one. Trump's election still interests me because he's now president of the world's most influential country now and I'm concerned.
That's great. Now you have lots of homework to do, lots and lots and lots.
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Couldn't agree more with this. I've seen so many people hate on people supporting trump and then don't even try to listen to why. How can you sway a person if you won't even let them speak?
Back when the refugee crisis hit my country, if you voiced even the smallest concern people would call you racist. It came to the point where I didn't dare speaking my opinion, and eventually I was seriously considering voting for the Swedish Democrats (a somewhat racist party) because they were the only ones who even touched the subject. Thankfully people have opened up since then, but it made me realize how easy it is to vote for idiots if you're pressed enough.
Yeah sorry no. I went through a period clashing predominately with the dumb of the far-left, but somehow I never got pushed toward the opposing side of things. Dunno man. Either I'm superman or this is a crap excuse.
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Well we know that when Republicans are in charge and ruin things it's still the democrats fault or at worse the fault of the other republican.
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Trump started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists and ended it with a whammy of an anti-semitic ad. He told it like it is. People know what they voted for.
That's how he started his campaign.
His political career started with questioning if the first black president was a legal citizen.
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That's how he started his campaign.
His political career started with questioning if the first black president was a legal citizen.
Well wouldn't be the first time Trump claimed an idea as being his own…...or it being good when it's awful.
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Trump started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists and ended it with a whammy of an anti-semitic ad. He told it like it is. People know what they voted for.
And he still got 30% of the Latino vote somehow.
Exit Polls, if they weren't posted yet.
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And he still got 30% of the Latino vote somehow.
Yes, the GOP still had a stronghold on the Cuban vote, which was a disastrous miscalculation on the part of the Clinton campaign, who thought they could put trust on their better judgment along with that of white women (which Trump won handily). It's too bad that story about him ignoring the embargo to do business with Castro never got traction, but I think it came out around the time the media was really obsessed with the Clinton Foundation (story that turned up nothing).
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And he still got 30% of the Latino vote somehow.
Exit Polls, if they weren't posted yet.
I'm more upset 37% of postgraduates voted for him. I had thought better of academia…
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In other news: The Canadian Immigration page crashed.
Was checking to see if this was mentioned. Normally I'd laugh at something like this but it's actually sad.
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I feel like he´s saying that the only method used for "shoving equality" is imposing it with a self-righteous holier than thou condescending tone while allowing no room for any kind of discussion.
It´s not the racists or misogynists that he is talking about. Those are lost causes and fuck them. But when someone decently moderate has to deal with this kind of attitude, it makes them quite bitter, even taking them to the point of pulling a Trump vote just for the satisfaction of giving a giant middle finger to the so called "SJW".There will always be this self-righteous overly PC crowd trying to "shove" their ideals down people's throats but he's making it out like this is something the entire "left" did which pushed the moderates away. Like there are Democrats going around knocking at doors every day reading the holy book of the SJW. Which wasn't the case. The truth about Trump and his rhetoric was pointed out during the election and people blew things way out of proportion and pretended like the left was being too PC for getting on things like Trump's pussy comment.
Furthermore, pushing and shoving equality down someone's throat can be done just fine without being holier than thou or condescending. I would like to use the example of the Civil Rights movement which involved sit-ins, forcing schools to desegregate, and boycotts which pretty much was the most forceful way you could push for equal rights short of actual violence, but it wouldn't be an equal comparison to people arguing over the internet. But when we're talking about the entirety of "the left shoving equality" it's more than just arguments over the internet, isn't it? It's defending the voting rights act, affirmative action, abortion, the freedom to wear any religious garb in public, making the case for better representation of minorities and women. These are all things where people react like, 'OMG stop shoving all these SJW ideas down my throat you're being so condescending!!!' Can people be condescending in regards to these arguments? Of course, but is it the case where no matter what it's just one person being a dick to the other? No.
Also, voting just to give a middle finger is in itself just lazy. It's not not even an argument. It's a gut reaction
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There's a difference between championing ideas for equality/inclusion and completely disregarding an entire group. One is progressive and the other is indeed lazy. Problem is, no one here was talking about disregarding an entire side or group of people until you came along. Where did you get this idea of disregarding an entire group anyway? Because it's impossible. We know they're there. We know much of the makeup of Trump supporters which is exactly why they've been called out so many times. The exact opposite of "disregard".
maybe i used the wrong word.yeah,probably disregard is wrong here.well,the correct word would be ,i don't know,grouping them?labelling them?
the point i'm trying to say just outright deriding them is maybe not that productive,to anyone invlovedNow, you can argue that the argument against Trump supporters is lazy, with all the name calling and personal attacks, which is what I see you're trying to do here but the fact of the matter is that's only part of the argument. What you're doing here is taking the conclusions that are formulated about Trump supporters and ignoring the preface. Hey, that's lazy. Look further.
Have you wondered why anyone h
far from wondering,i would myself say al large number of trump's base as all the things you say.but,not all of them.and i am nor personally accusing you or anyone else of generalisations,i am saying that a lot of people on the democratic side did so this,and the result was not good
And if you want to talk about intelligent arguments and debating policy…ummm...been there and still doing that. Both sides have been doing that the entire election cycle. Donald Trump wants to deport 11 million people, build a wall which another country will apparently completely pay for, block Muslims from entering the U.S., impose tarrifs on trade deals, give bigger tax breaks to the rich, and roll back as much of what Obama did in 8 years as he can. I can't emphasize how much people have gone over how terrible a lot of these plans are. Just from a numbers point of view economists have clearly stated that Donald's plans would balloon the national debt far greater than amything Hillary could have done. Just from a numbers point of view deporting 11 million people is impossible!!! Just from a numbers point of view the wall will be too expensi....oh, wait, nvm Mexico got that. Just from a numbers point of view losing the ACA will mean millions of people losing health insurance.
true,many people did intelligent arguments.but maybe more need to.
That's all looking at it by the numbers and ignoring the human and social impact. Intelligent conversations have been had. They were all ignored not because we called them names. It's because they didn't believe it or give a fuck.
again,that just showcase that there has to be something more done.maybe it's just reaching out to them.i don't know
Great, so you do understand. A little melodramatic but, sure, close enough.
it may sound melodramatic,but i don't think so.ignorance is in the end what will most probably be the end of the human civilisation.and i think the most revulsing thing i can find in this election cycle is ignorance.it's not that people are racist and sexist,it's that some people even lie to themsleves and others,and maybe even just be ignorant that trump's campaign is racist and sexist
What does 12 women accusing Donald Trump of assault have to do with Hilary losing the election? You kniw why they came out at around the same time?
i'm not saying that them accusing trump has anything directly to do with Trump winning.but it is just one of the examples of the dirty,negative campaign both of them run.and hey,maybe if you do negative and campaigning,those filled with fear and hate will win
Because, ignoring that some of those allegations had already been around for years, it was Donald Trump who brought up as an issue sexual misconduct when he brought up Hillary's husband's past. So these women felt it was very hypocritical for him to bring up alleged crimes when he had his own similar closet of skeletons, and when one speaks up it encourages and gives courage to other accusers.
i think the time to bring up your allegations should have been when you are assaulted.keeping silent only encourages the party to continue.
granted,a sexual assault isn't so simple and it isn't easy to speak up,especially when the other party is rich and overall nasty.
but then maybe the time to bring up allegation should have been when that assaulter starts to run for President.
or hey,maybe when he becomes the nominee of the Republicans.
and look,let's be real here.it's not necessary that all those allegations are true,and these women sure as hell didn't decide to themselves come together.them coming together was the machination of the DNC and Hillary campaign.i'm not saying that makes it wrong,but i does show that maybe this sort of campaigning,which as i know is a regular feature of recent Elections,needs to stop or tone down.I'm not a fan of the blame game either. As far as I'm concerned the Republicans outvoted the Democrats and that's what happened. We lost. At the same time though we can't ignore the makeup of voters of the Republican party in this election. In fact, for many years from this point on people will be analysing the makeup of voters in both parties trying to figure out who exactly made this election happen…just like they do every single election.
But blaming ISIS as the main pepetrator!? C'mon man.
i will reiterate what i said:this Election is a failure for anyone,in some form or another.but at the end of the day,i am not directly affected by this,you guys are.so any acceptance or rejection of that will come from you.in the end you are in this mess,and you have to think the cause and remedy,whatever that may be.
and you know, as far as i'm concerned maybe evrything bad should be put on ISIS.:ninja:
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@Monkey:
These are simple people, incapable of empathy and understanding. We must approach their village from our canoes with great care less we spook them and they vote for a racist New York City billionaire.
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D'awww, wee baby zeph is threatened by people coming in to disagree with the echo chamber. Get your popcorn all, tantrump incoming.
Way to prove my point about how hilariously simple-minded people can be when upset and threatened.
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I think Trump being tough on ISIS had something to do with Donald's appeal to people but most people in America are concerned with domestic rather than foreign affairs. Even if ISIS is looked at as a domestic threat now it's still waaaay below the economy.
Btw, neither am I saying that all of Trump's supporters are alike but I didn't agree with this trend of people coming in here and saying Hillary lost because her supporters were being mean to Trump supporters. As if there was no truth to a lot of the makeup of Trump's base.
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There will always be this self-righteous overly PC crowd trying to "shove" their ideals down people's throats but he's making it out like this is something the entire "left" did which pushed the moderates away. Like there are Democrats going around knocking at doors every day reading the holy book of the SJW. Which wasn't the case. The truth about Trump and his rhetoric was pointed out during the election and people blew things way out of proportion and pretended like the left was being too PC for getting on things like Trump's pussy comment.
Also, voting just to give a middle finger is in itself just lazy. It's not not even an argument. It's a gut reaction
i'm not really saying that.i'm saying that maybe a lot of them did,and maybe need to stop or tone down.
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i'm not really saying that.i'm saying that maybe a lot of them did,and maybe nood to stop or tone down.
anyway,i was wondering is there any chance some of the republicans electoral college defect and vote for Hillary?Nope.
If there's one things the Republicans are is loyal.
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Nope.
If there's one things the Republicans are is loyal.
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@Monkey:
These are simple people, incapable of empathy and understanding. We must approach their village from our canoes with great care less we spook them and they vote for a racist New York City billionaire.
ALL ABOARD, ALL ABOARD, THE NQANKY CONTRARIAN SPIEL OF THE DAY TRAIN IS GETTING READY TO DEPART.
D'awww, wee baby zeph is threatened by people coming in to disagree with the echo chamber. Get your popcorn all, tantrump incoming.
Way to prove my point about how hilariously simple-minded people can be when upset and threatened.
Let's not get personal, we've all had a rough day.
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Btw, neither am I saying that all of Trump's supporters are alike but I didn't agree with this trend of people coming in here and saying Hillary lost because her supporters were being mean to Trump supporters. As if there was no truth to a lot of the makeup of Trump's base.
In the end, the likeliest explanation is that Hillary just fucked up her strategy (coupled with democrat apathy). She did win the popular vote, but the EC caused her loss.
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So… how many western countries left with a centre-left government, assuming France's is done for? Sweden, Austria, Italy (which may be on its way out as well)... Portugal? Jesus Christ, USA, good luck with at least 4 years of Trump and Republican bullshit and some further more with the new super conservative supreme court about to come...
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She made her concession speech this morning. There is talk of impeachment but Pence is horrible too.
Thanks.Will check that out
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Actually kinda liked her concession speech. Overall just makes me feel like after so much rejection over the years the country just doesn't deserve her.
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In the end, the likeliest explanation is that Hillary just fucked up her strategy (coupled with democrat apathy). She did win the popular vote, but the EC caused her loss.
This is really it + Comey's BS + endless Wikileaks stream that only further pictured her as untrustworthy. Halfway through October she was heading towards a landslide and pulled her campaign out of what turned out to be crucial swing states and started focusing on congress. But then the FBI came into the picture, her polls dropped and the last week was spent on fighting with the FBI instead of staying on message, while she had virtually no campaign time spent in the Rust Belt outside of PA. And as said before, vastly overestimating the amount of people willing to cross party lines.
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The president elect of the United States is someone who was tweeting less than a month ago:
"Check out sex tape".
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So… how many western countries left with a centre-left government, assuming France's is done for? Sweden, Austria, Italy (which may be on its way out as well)... Portugal? Jesus Christ, USA, good luck with at least 4 years of Trump and Republican bullshit and some further more with the new super conservative supreme court about to come...
I would add Ireland to that list, even though their prime minister is independent. Austria and Sweden too are very much close to being in the clawing grasp of the right at the moment and Trump's election has certainly empowered them.
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@Commander:
The president elect of the United States is someone who was tweeting less than a month ago:
"Check out sex tape".
I can't get over that fact"We hold these truths to be self-evident"
"Four score and seven years ago"
"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself"
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall"
"Yes, we can"
"Check out disgusting sex tape" -
BTW, 11,000 fucking adults really woke their asses up, got dressed, traveled to a polling location, waited in line, and voted for Harambe.
What the hell.
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@Commander:
The president elect of the United States is someone who was tweeting less than a month ago:
"Check out sex tape".
I can't get over that factI can't get over the fact that there wasn't any sex tape to check and mentioning it wasn't done for any logical reasoning…..yet he still said it, and some likely did it expecting to get their rocks off.
BTW, 11,000 fucking adults really woke their asses up, got dressed, traveled to a polling location, waited in line, and voted for Harambe.
What the hell.
I wonder how many votes Deez Nuts got. Unless he was blackballed on the ballot:ninja:
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Maybe they voted early to avoid the lines
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@Monkey:
Yeah sorry no. I went through a period clashing predominately with the dumb of the far-left, but somehow I never got pushed toward the opposing side of things. Dunno man. Either I'm superman or this is a crap excuse.
Did said far-left silence you to the point you didn't dare speak your opinion in public? Did they risk the safety of refugees by ignoring the problems with housing, jobs and personnel to help them? Were they present in much of media and the government?
Furthermore, we're different people, we react in different ways. What happened to me was real and though I don't like it, I won't lie about it. Especially when you're a loner like me things like that will affect you a great deal. If it happened to me it can happen to others, and might explain why some people (not all) voted for trump.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be angry once in a while, but hating an entire group of people and refusing to listen to them is detrimental and will only lead to more hatred. Sometimes listening, not even understanding but at least listening without judging can do a lot. Some people will never change and that's that (at least you know who to avoid and if they say anything seriously bad, you can report them to the police) but there are a good deal that would if given the chance to express their personal worries.
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@Zar:
Did said far-left silence you to the point you didn't dare speak your opinion in public? Did they risk the safety of refugees by ignoring the problems with housing, jobs and personnel to help them? Were they present in much of media and the government?
If you care so very much about the refugees you wouldn't be approaching the far-right in the first place.
All I'm seeing here is your feelings were hurt by yelling idiots, and so something something Hey! The fascist party is looking good this season! Profit?
The problem isn't what the idiots were doing, its that you ended up at that last part through no defensible process.I'm not saying we shouldn't be angry once in a while, but hating an entire group of people and refusing to listen to them is detrimental and will only lead to more hatred. Sometimes listening, not even understanding but at least listening without judging can do a lot.
Yeah I am going to judge racism. In fact a person should judge racism.
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BTW, 11,000 fucking adults really woke their asses up, got dressed, traveled to a polling location, waited in line, and voted for Harambe.
What the hell.
My sister told me about this. Another reason why the stupid meme needs to die.
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BTW, 11,000 fucking adults really woke their asses up, got dressed, traveled to a polling location, waited in line, and voted for Harambe.
What the hell.
Maybe they voted early to avoid the lines
LOL
and yeah,the concesion speech was nice especially considering she and her campaign has no stake in anything now.they don't really have any reason to put any effort -
Numbers for Michigan, Winsconsin and Pennsylvania (2012 -> 2016). Michigan was really close.
Pennsylvania
Dem: 2,990,000 -> 2,844,000
Rep: 2,680,000 -> 2,912,000Michigan
Dem: 2,564,000 -> 2,267,000
Rep: 2,115,000 -> 2,279,000Wisconsin
Dem: 1,621,000 -> 1,382,000
Rep: 1,408,000 -> 1,409,500Additionally:
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Judging racism should not mean immediately refusing to understand why it happens and allowing ourselves to wonder how people got to believe those things in the first place.
Not everyone is a raging racist just to BE a raging racist. Human factors and feelings and insecurities and fears all go into the process of having someone legitimately reject things different from themselves. It's a psychological fact that people tend to like what they're most exposed to and reject what's unknown.
If we want these people to think outside themselves for a moment it's hugely contradicting if we can't do that ourselves, preferring instead to reduce their humanity and value.
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PA usually goes blue right?
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if I were in a more foul mood I'd say something like "maybe they should make like their precious meme and get shot"
but
I'm notI'm gonna be better in wake of this. I gotta be. Throwing blame around and causing needless arguments isn't gonna solve anything.
Just gotta make a strong push in 2018 and support everyone I can in the interim. 2020 can't be another fuckup like this. We can recover.We won't be the darkest timeline until we elect Trump twice, that's how I feel.