If I had to criticize one thing about this chapter, it was about Aizawa lecturing them. Aizawa only says they were "lucky" (a.k.a Plot Armor) that with All Might's retirement, they can't afford to expel potential heroes. I feel this is a bit hypocritical. For all of of Aizawa's threats and warning of consequences, it comes off as a bit empty as he doesn't try to deliver a cold, hard lesson and punishment. Even if he can't afford to expel them, the next best thing would be to unload extra workload to give some weight to his words. Although 4 of the main perpetrators, are in the Top 5 grades, at the very least, Aizawa should punish Kirishima (with the average grades) with extra homework as he's the one who came up with it first. (I've got nothing against him though, trust me…)
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If sitting around and watching people die without doing anything to help is the "right" thing, then I don't want to be right.
It's not so much about being right than being reckless.
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If sitting around and watching people die without doing anything to help is the "right" thing, then I don't want to be right.
Yeah, but acting could easily have turned into a liability. The students are still heroes in training and were incredibly cocky to go off on their own and try to help with their undeveloped powers (what if Midoriya did hurt himself again) and lack of understanding of procedure (they made a guess at how to handle this hostage situation, but they couldn't have known that their external involvement wouldn't have caused them to kill Bakugou or something). Even though it did work out, from an instructor's perspective, they endangered themselves, their kidnapped friend and trained professionals. This wasn't a matter of sitting around and watching people die as much as it could have been actively getting more people killed. Not only that, but they showed a disregard for the rules, which may not seem like an issue since things worked out, but what's the point of them continuing their education if they're going to ignore instruction and all the intentions that go with it? At this rate, they could easily attempt the same thing again, and next time it might not turn out so pretty. Breaking rules can be worthwhile, but consequences are a part of that, so even if they were well-intentioned and knew exactly what they were doing, they can't really defy a system and then expect to be considered working within it.
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Everthing Wags said, plus, thematically, it fits with everything Horikoshi has been subtly and not so subtly building so far. In the first 100 chapters, we've already had a startling large amount of dialogue dedicated to showing that this is a world/society where the rules do not take a backseat to mindless action (this extends loosely to things like Izuku's messed up ligaments and Ida's nerve damage). We have provisional licenses, Kenji Dogface's chapter, the U.A. press conference, extensive "realistic" cooperation between heroes + school + law enforcement, etc. He's not setting all that up for no reason, especially in light of the upcoming police "reform," which is bound to have major implications.Naturally the "rules" are juxtaposed with things like Izuku's natural-born hero instincts- that's intentional- and part of his struggle and growth will no doubt be tied to how he reconciles the two throughout his career. What's clear is that the kids cannot keep running off half-cocked and think it won't have consequences. They got off easy this time, but it's not every day that All Might retires.
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If sitting around and watching people die without doing anything to help is the "right" thing, then I don't want to be right.
Think about kids grabbing guns and going to help on a shooting between cops and bandits. That's pretty much what happened (except these kids had some lessons on how to shoot). By some miracle they did not get hurt and even ended up helping, but the chances were that they would not just endanger themselves but everyone else and could even turn a potential victory into a big failure.
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The question of expulsion and rebuke basically boils down to whether U.A. wants to be a real school or Hogwarts.@CCC:
Everthing Wags said, plus, thematically, it fits with everything Horikoshi has been subtly and not so subtly building so far. In the first 100 chapters, we've already had a startling large amount of dialogue dedicated to showing that this is a world/society where the rules do not take a backseat to mindless action (this extends loosely to things like Izuku's messed up ligaments and Ida's nerve damage). We have provisional licenses, Kenji Dogface's chapter, the U.A. press conference, extensive "realistic" cooperation between heroes + school + law enforcement, etc. He's not setting all that up for no reason, especially in light of the upcoming police "reform," which is bound to have major implications.Naturally the "rules" are juxtaposed with things like Izuku's natural-born hero instincts- that's intentional- and part of his struggle and growth will no doubt be tied to how he reconciles the two throughout his career. What's clear is that the kids cannot keep running off half-cocked and think it won't have consequences. They got off easy this time, but it's not every day that All Might retires.
Great points, CCC. The rules and regulations in place for quirks and hero work make a certain logical sense but also greatly curtail individual heroism and Samaritan work. Couple that with the commercial and opportunistic nature of many heroes and it's easy to see why Stain's manifesto struck a chord with the readers. Horikoshi has been slowly and deliberately setting the students in conflict with the rules governing society. He's made a world that seems great but has very real systemic flaws that are much more subtle than your standard dystopia.
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If sitting around and watching people die without doing anything to help is the "right" thing, then I don't want to be right.
Made me think Of the "Am I wrong" song. They were not simply helping people in front of them. They actively went into the danger zone despite knowing the professionals were taking care of it.
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The question of expulsion and rebuke basically boils down to whether U.A. wants to be a real school or Hogwarts.Great points, CCC. The rules and regulations in place for quirks and hero work make a certain logical sense but also greatly curtail individual heroism and Samaritan work. Couple that with the commercial and opportunistic nature of many heroes and it's easy to see why Stain's manifesto struck a chord with the readers. Horikoshi has been slowly and deliberately setting the students in conflict with the rules governing society. He's made a world that seems great but has very real systemic flaws that are much more subtle than your standard dystopia.
Vigilantism by children would be a crazy idea. The society has evolve so that the people that felt a calling to helping could become superheroes but with appropriate training. I doubt there's really a better alternative.
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Yeah didn't the group that went admit to going because they felt responsible in some way? The pros were already on it. Their involvement was in many ways I feel selfish. It's like they didn't trust the pros to safely bring back the lost. So they took it upon themselves which was fairly cocky.
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Vigilantism by children would be a crazy idea. The society has evolve so that the people that felt a calling to helping could become superheroes but with appropriate training. I doubt there's really a better alternative.
It's a nice sticky issue. I think pretty much everyone in- and out of universe agrees the kids going to investigate on their own was dumb, including the five themselves. It's a miracle they weren't a liability. Regarding vigilantism, it's pretty clear that's a bad idea. At the same time, there needs to be some allowance in place that allows bystanders to act if they can help. I imagine some sort of mandatory specialized self-defense training in primary school could help, along with very precise laws dictating when and how a quirk could be used. It's the sort of thing that would be determined by years of legal precedent and still hotly debated many times over here in the U.S.- the sort of thing that doesn't translate very well to a shonen.
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Funnily enough, the kids' presence probably wouldn't have mattered anyway as Gran Torino showed up literally in seconds to knock down the other villains.
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Maybe it's like the conversation going on in the HunterxHunter thread: Did the presence of Midoriya and friends change anything? Or was it only the author's way of making us care and involved with the things going on?
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Maybe it's like the conversation going on in the HunterxHunter thread: Did the presence of Midoriya and friends change anything? Or was it only the author's way of making us care and involved with the things going on?
Technically, that would be both. They did end up changing something, but only because they acted early enough.
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Maybe it's like the conversation going on in the HunterxHunter thread: Did the presence of Midoriya and friends change anything? Or was it only the author's way of making us care and involved with the things going on?
Three big differences from HxH, though, are that A) their limited efficacy was treated as such by the plot- the focus on the students is almost immediately shifted away as soon as the pro heroes launch their raid. The students have precisely one big moment once the fighting begins and it's primarily used as a character moment, not a battle showcase. This rescue arc wasn't really about them, it was about All Might, whereas in HxH the giant arc is squarely focused on the Hunter Association's efforts. B) No one was hurt because of them- the students wisely stay out of the way for most of the arc and miraculously avoid being a liability. Had someone been injured or killed because of them, the question of their purpose there would have real weight. And C) their actions weren't treated as the right thing to do. Every step of the way someone said they were being reckless and unwise. The glorification was minimal, compared to HxH where the Hunter Association members are heroes acting for the good of humanity. It's like the difference between Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark versus Gohan or Bulma in the Frieza arc. One is the hero of a whole story but with dubious purpose there while the other is primarily an observer and distraction for a much greater fight.
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It's a nice sticky issue. I think pretty much everyone in- and out of universe agrees the kids going to investigate on their own was dumb, including the five themselves. It's a miracle they weren't a liability. Regarding vigilantism, it's pretty clear that's a bad idea. At the same time, there needs to be some allowance in place that allows bystanders to act if they can help. I imagine some sort of mandatory specialized self-defense training in primary school could help, along with very precise laws dictating when and how a quirk could be used. It's the sort of thing that would be determined by years of legal precedent and still hotly debated many times over here in the U.S.- the sort of thing that doesn't translate very well to a shonen.
I doubt they are prohibited from blocking a building falling on them. What they are prohibited from is running into a crushed building because you have a strength quirk and you think this is enough to help. Civilians intervening in dangerous in delicate situation is a bad idea even if you have powers. The point is not don't act even if you have no choice but if there's a choice let professional do it.
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Volume 9 Omake:http://bato.to/reader#3a5aaca31ed5387e_1
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That training info would make great anime filler. Glad the 1,000,000% punch was addressed though most of us already knew it was just Deku putting everything into one punch.
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Missing: deku, kirishima, ashido, sero and… Hagakure.
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Missing: deku, kirishima, ashido, sero and… Hagakure.
Apart from Midorya, weren't the rest of them doing normal schoolwork, away from the rest of the class.
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Apart from Midorya, weren't the rest of them doing normal schoolwork, away from the rest of the class.
Satou and Kaminari as well if I recall correctly.
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Exactly, and the repair class were stated to have to work harder, and hakagure wasn't in that group. And sugarman was also of the fail team. And we saw sero projecting tape and kirishima getting beat up by… Monkeyboy. Meaning that kirishima, sero and ashido's training were as Straight forward as deku's strengthening or just "produce more", while hakagure's quirk is still a mistery.
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Yeah I thought Kaminari was doing separate classwork as well, wasn't sure though. Now that you mention the training Sero, Ashido etc were doing at the beginning it definitely rings a bell too. Gonna need to have a quick look back and see who did what.
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Missing: deku, kirishima, ashido, sero and… Hagakure.
Sero, Ashido and Kirishima had their training explained in detail by Aizawa.
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New chapter: http://readms.com/r/my_hero_academia/099/3536/1 A few rooms will remain a mystery …
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Tsuyu is amazing. Horikoshi is really phenomenal at scenes like these, I hope he stays this strong of a writer in the years to come.
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Kinda dissapointed we didn´t get to see Blasty´s room, or Mic at the end of the chapter. Anyway, I liked that we got to see almost all the rooms.
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And they say the way to a MAN'S heart is through his stomach…
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Volume 9 Omake:http://bato.to/reader#3a5aaca31ed5387e_1It shows what was the training of everyone.
Where can I read vol 8 omake? It´s not working on batoto and missing on kissmanga
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Horikoshi better show Tsuyu and Mineta room in the extras. Anyway, kinda sad Ashido and Uraraka rooms were rushed like there was nothing interesting to say about them, Hagakure's was pretty much the same, so I couldn't shake this feeling of "you still need to work on your girls, Horikoshi".
But let's talk about Tsuyu, for a second. How adorable is this girl? I am falling in love with those kids as a whole, but she is definitely on her own level. And I love how the scene, the feelings conveyed, the logic behind her behavior, everything seemed perfectly genuine, it didn't felt like the kind of "manga behavior" where I feel like only fictional trope characters would behave like that.
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Agreed. There's something really human about these characters that makes them more than a collection of cliches. So many other authors would've just handwaved the tension away and had everyone acting normally the next day, without a scene like this.
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I am loving Hero Academia at the moment, such good characters, a solid pace, really interesting story arcs. These come down arcs are just as gripping as the high stakes arcs and most of all it's really fun, Horikishi knows the awesome parts of being a superhero ad what the kids should get excited for; the costume, the name and now the special moves. For the past year it's easily been my favourite series in Jump
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and that's the second time sero got in the way of Mineta's dreams, payback will be brutal i fear.
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Loving Tsuyu more and more D':
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So is there any incriminating evidence to be found in Hagakure's room? A spy teddy bear perhaps?
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While Tsuyu says she has been acting like a coward , wasnt she really heroic when villains first attacked the training center and she went for saving Midoriya instead of herself? She was instantly ready for action too.
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So is there any incriminating evidence to be found in Hagakure's room? A spy teddy bear perhaps?
There are two empty rooms next to hers. If she's really up to anything shady, her official room might just be a diversion.
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While Tsuyu says she has been acting like a coward , wasnt she really heroic when villains first attacked the training center and she went for saving Midoriya instead of herself? She was instantly ready for action too.
I think she's referring to feeling like a coward for being against the Bakugo rescue mission. It was the reasonable choice, but then they went and pulled it off.
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While Tsuyu says she has been acting like a coward , wasnt she really heroic when villains first attacked the training center and she went for saving Midoriya instead of herself? She was instantly ready for action too.
That was also in the heat of the moment. When it came to the Bakugo situation, she had time to review the possible danger. I guess it was all circumstantial.
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Shoujis room is perfect.
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I think she's referring to feeling like a coward for being against the Bakugo rescue mission. It was the reasonable choice, but then they went and pulled it off.
I think it's also the fact that the rescue squad happened to be in the right place at the right time, therefore actually saving All Might's life against AFO. She may have thought that if there were at least a few extra persons on hand, All Might wouldn't have had to push himself too far against AFO. That's my take on it, anyways.
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To be fair, Tsuyu seemed to regret more the way she voiced her concerns than opposing the whole operation.
Even though what she said was right, she was comparing the actions of aspiring heroes who were willing to risk their lives to rescue their friend and correct (what they saw as) their mistake with actions of villains.
She probably worded it that way to make sure the point would get through them, but once she found out they did everything despite that, she was probably feeling guilty thinking her words put them in a gloom place where they could be feeling like villains for what they did (especially after Aizawa said the whole class was almost expelled because of what they did, and knowing the kids themselves were feeling guilty for that, she probably felt her words were just adding an unnecessary amount of stress over them).But she was right, doing what you think is right knowing it breaks the rules is what people like Stain and other villains do, they take their own notion of right and wrong above any set rule and act solely with it in mind. Heroes are the enforcers of law along with the police, if they, who are supposed to set the example, start acting disregarding the laws then they can't expect the civilians to act any differently.
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Shoujis room is perfect.
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But let's talk about Tsuyu, for a second. How adorable is this girl? I am falling in love with those kids as a whole, but she is definitely on her own level. And I love how the scene, the feelings conveyed, the logic behind her behavior, everything seemed perfectly genuine, it didn't felt like the kind of "manga behavior" where I feel like only fictional trope characters would behave like that.
100% agreed.
Tsuyu was already my favourite, but this chapter really took me by surprise with that scene.
I certainly got a couple of tears in my eyes.She is a froggy cinnamon roll and that smile must be protected.
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But she was right, doing what you think is right knowing it breaks the rules is what people like Stain and other villains do, they take their own notion of right and wrong above any set rule and act solely with it in mind. Heroes are the enforcers of law along with the police, if they, who are supposed to set the example, start acting disregarding the laws then they can't expect the civilians to act any differently.
No, it's totally different case between them and stain. Stain was killing people out of fanaticism, the kids wanted to save a friend that got kidnapped. Laws are meant to help and protect people, when they no longer do that they need to be ignored or torn down. In this case the "law" says you can't use your superpowers to help people without a license, that's total bullshit and they were in the right for ignoring it.
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No, it's totally different case between them and stain. Stain was killing people out of fanaticism, the kids wanted to save a friend that got kidnapped. Laws are meant to help and protect people, when they no longer do that they need to be ignored or torn down. In this case the "law" says you can't use your superpowers to help people without a license, that's total bullshit and they were in the right for ignoring it.
Except their actions had a very high chance of doing far more harm than good. They were, for all intents and polished, unqualified civilian trying to get involved in a situation they had no business being in since it was already being addressed by people far better suited to the task than they were.
That they would up making a positive difference owes itself to luck as much as anything.
To use a different example, let's say a fire breaks out and people are trapped inside a building. You have a powerful water Quirk. Wanting to help despite law saying you shouldn't is all well and good but what if, because you weren't properly trained in how to use your powers in firefighting, you do something like drown the people you were trying to save.
Those lives are in your head, whether night have happened had you not acted at all.
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No, it's totally different case between them and stain. Stain was killing people out of fanaticism, the kids wanted to save a friend that got kidnapped. Laws are meant to help and protect people, when they no longer do that they need to be ignored or torn down. In this case the "law" says you can't use your superpowers to help people without a license, that's total bullshit and they were in the right for ignoring it.
Thankfully Horikoshi seems to have a closer notion of how reality and nuances work than most shonen mangaka instead of simply throwing cliché reasoning and calling it a day'ttebayo.
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No, it's totally different case between them and stain. Stain was killing people out of fanaticism, the kids wanted to save a friend that got kidnapped. Laws are meant to help and protect people, when they no longer do that they need to be ignored or torn down. In this case the "law" says you can't use your superpowers to help people without a license, that's total bullshit and they were in the right for ignoring it.
They were stupid to intervene in the middle of a professional gun the same way it would be stupid for a kid with a gun to participate in a shoot-out. The friend that was captured was being rescued by a professionals and kids getting involve was more dangerous than helpful.
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Thankfully Horikoshi seems to have a closer notion of how reality and nuances work than most shonen mangaka instead of simply throwing cliché reasoning and calling it a day'ttebayo.
But does he? I keep getting the opposite message out of the manga, since the kids are always succeeding and saving lives while breaking the rules. In fact, if you reread the first chapter, the moral of the story was that quirkless deku was the only one who did anything to save his friend, while everyone else was just waiting on standby, not even trying. This is a manga about heroes, and something that gets repeated a lot is how sometimes your body just reacts on its own to do the right thing, consequences be damned.
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Satou is the literal Sugar Daddy.
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But does he? I keep getting the opposite message out of the manga, since the kids are always succeeding and saving lives while breaking the rules. In fact, if you reread the first chapter, the moral of the story was that quirkless deku was the only one who did anything to save his friend, while everyone else was just waiting on standby, not even trying. This is a manga about heroes, and something that gets repeated a lot is how sometimes your body just reacts on its own to do the right thing, consequences be damned.
Every time they break the rules, they get some heavy reprimanding for it. Other works would've just ignored that part.
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No, it's totally different case between them and stain. Stain was killing people out of fanaticism, the kids wanted to save a friend that got kidnapped. Laws are meant to help and protect people, when they no longer do that they need to be ignored or torn down. In this case the "law" says you can't use your superpowers to help people without a license, that's total bullshit and they were in the right for ignoring it.
Exactly. The law is there to protect the people.
And by breaking the law, 5 more kids were put at risk instead of just 1. You do not cross an entire city to help foil a kidnapping like they did.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all. Although it's worth noting that self-defense is still allowed in this universe as long as Quirks aren't used, but the Bakugou case was definitely not self-defense.
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Horikoshi really wants to make chapter 100 a big deal doesn't he?