The "Hillary already had all the superdelegates so nobody even bothered voting for Bernie" is a load of bull. Bernie almost tied Hillary in Iowa and won NH by a landslide. He should've gotten the momentum at that point, but he he didn't. And that isn't because of the superdelegates, but because the region Bernie had already written off as irrelevant beforehand was about to vote.
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Also, I think Bernie would have done better in pulling in more voters, if he talked more about human rights, especially when it comes to minorities. But he did not try to change, so he kept on going with the same things. Those things are nice too like having a living wage, but having non-discrimination laws is important too. Since you know, in many states for example LGBT people can get fired at any time. So, even if there was a living wage, those same minorities would have a tough time even getting a job because there was not any laws to help protect them from discrimination. That's why, I think both are important. You just cannot have one without the other.
Actually, these are all things he has campaigned on extensively. He's especially responsible for pulling in new voters. His key demographic is young voters.
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Also Bernie hasn't had the media seriously vet him. His numbers would sink like a stone if they brought up his ties to communism, rape essays, his illegitimate son, his tax returns, and the huge multitiude of things his wife has been up to. There's some college scams there similar to Trump's, and the whole "He refuses to take big money. Because his wife takes all of it to keep his record clean." thing.
And also, he's opposed the party for decades, including the current president, no one wants to work with him. ANd his grand plans have no actual plans behind them yet. There's a reason that the politicians who actually have known him for years haven't supported him, compared to the general public who never heard of him before a year ago. He's apparently about as liked as Ted Cruz was on the Republican side, and he had a literal death threat on his head. Bernie had tons of funding in his campaign and didn't help anyone else in the party. Clinton did.
The FBI investigation on Hillary is a joke and just what the Republican side keeps trumping up and forcing through despite complete lack of anything. Any serious case would have had something by now, and if they feared anything would actually come of it, she would have stepped down when another viable candidate presented. No one wants another Watergate tainting the party for a decade. its just something that keeps getting thrown around to make her look worse, much like Bill being impeached for a sex scandal… that it turns out every major republican involved with was also having. She didn't break any laws or do anything criminal. If anything actually went through on it and the thousands of emails and 4 casualties, they'd then have to turn around and convict Bush and Cheney for the millions of deleted emails about their war crimes and thousands of casualties. (In which case, that would be a good thing.)
Bernie might be the better person, but Hillary is better politician for the job. I felt differently at the start of the year, but the more I read and the more sources and history I check, and the more I see exactly what kind of crowds are swirling around them, the more my opinions reverse on the two of them.
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If you really thought it wasn't over, here's one more nail in the coffin.
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If you really thought it wasn't over, here's one more nail in the coffin.
And you too Barackus?
But seriously this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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Sanders vows to work with Clinton as Dems move toward party unity
All the while still insisting to make this a contested convention and showing a history of not really being big on working with
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Obama probably told him to drop out next week after the DC primary.
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If I were Bernie I'd keep fighting too. He polls better against Trump than Shillary in just about every poll and,
and General Election polls are worthless this far out, and even more useless when one or both primary is still happening.
more importantly, he doesn't have an FBI investigation that could end with him being indicted halfway through the general election looming over his head.
Wait you actually think anything is going to come of that? That's fucking adorable.
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What if… what if Bernie runs for VP on Hillary's ticket? I think there'd be a lot of moaning from both sides of the Democrats, but really I think they'd ultimately be invincible in the general if they did it.
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What if… what if Bernie runs for VP on Hillary's ticket? I think there'd be a lot of moaning from both sides of the Democrats, but really I think they'd ultimately be invincible in the general if they did it.
No way in hell you have a 70 year old president with a 74 year old VP.
If either of them was 20 or 30 years younger, sure, that'd be a solution. But Hillary's going to want someone younger.
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No way in hell you have a 70 year old president with a 74 year old VP.
If either of them was 20 or 30 years younger, sure, that'd be a solution. But Hillary's going to want someone younger.
But they're both in such good health. I don't really see this being a good excuse.
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But they're both in such good health. I don't really see this being a good excuse.
I'd go with the high stress that comes with the job. Just look at Obama, who looked very young and healthy beforehand and how much he's aged in these 8 years. Put these people in that position with how they look already, then imagine what they would become like in that time period.
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I'd go with the high stress that comes with the job. Just look at Obama, who looked very young and healthy beforehand and how much he's aged in these 8 years. Put these people in that position with how they look already, then imagine what they would become like in that time period.
Look at Joe Biden.
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Look at Joe Biden.
Obama was a young candidate, so young that there were people attacking him as a candidate for being inexperienced and relatively new to DC in general (also specifically inexperienced on foreign policy).
For Obama the smart choice was to pick an older guy (who was 65 at the time, so still much younger than Hillary/Sanders). An older guy known for having FP experience.
Because it made his ticket look balanced, worrying about actually dying wasn't really on the cards. A white guy at that, a average blue collary white guy, appealing to maybe working class whites who might have been iffy on the young black Hawaiian/Chicagoan.For Hillary there's no question to her experience, but she is old. For her a choice must be young because there is concern about her age. So picking an older guy would be insane.
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Look at Joe Biden.
He was 64 when he became VP. ANd that job is waaaay less stressful than the main one. You should also look at what Dick Cheney looked like upon leaving office. He was 65 upon leaving and he looked awful and had multiple heart attacks.
Seriously, look at any before and after picture of a president. They age waaaaaay more than 4 or 8 years in their time in office. It's a 20 or 30 year drain on them. And every one of the candidates are the oldest in history to run for office as frontrrunner, Trump included.
You want someone young and spry available to replace the president in case of health issues… and to also then be the presumptive nominee the next election and do 8 years after. It's very rarely worked out that way, but you want the option. Same reason you appoint young people to the Supreme Court.
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Why not promise Bernie a job where he could actually do something like some kind of office?
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Yeah, Bernie might get something juicy like that. Not secretary of state, but something. Maaaybe secretary of education? This is the end of his career regardless.
Or he just goes back to doing what he was doing.
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Bernie has a Senate seat to protect after this. He's running Independent.
I really hope Al Giordano actually challenges him for the seat.
No way in hell you have a 70 year old president with a 74 year old VP.
If either of them was 20 or 30 years younger, sure, that'd be a solution. But Hillary's going to want someone younger.
There's also the question if Bernie would even accept the offer.
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Any guesses on who Hillary might pick as her VP mate? Elizabeth Warren would appease Bernie supporters while making the ultimate girl power ticket, but she might also pick someone like Cory Booker. Or, you know, some white male politician I'm not familiar with.
Trump will probably pick John Cena or something.
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He was 64 when he became VP. ANd that job is waaaay less stressful than the main one. You should also look at what Dick Cheney looked like upon leaving office. He was 65 upon leaving and he looked awful and had multiple heart attacks.
Didn't think one could go from already looking shit to looking awful .
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Also, Bernie had no attack ads on him either. If he became the nominee, he would have of course attack advertisements from the right, which of course would lower his chances as well. So, there's more things to consider than just polls.
Also Bernie hasn't had the media seriously vet him. His numbers would sink like a stone if they brought up his ties to communism, rape essays, his illegitimate son, his tax returns, and the huge multitiude of things his wife has been up to. There's some college scams there similar to Trump's, and the whole "He refuses to take big money. Because his wife takes all of it to keep his record clean." thing.
There's a lot of this claim going on around here often repeated that if only Bernie Sanders received attacks ads his numbers would quickly drop, and honestly I never said anything about it because there's truth to that. Media influences public opinion, but let's be impartial and not make it sound like Bernie Sanders hasn't been vetted and attacked by both Republicans and Democrats alike with negative attack ads and vetted by the media. That piece on Bernie made national news. By no means has he been attacked, vetted, and put through the grinder like Hillary Clinton but Bernie hasn't been left alone either nor should he have been.
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I wonder exactly how much Obama will campaign for Hillary. The contrast is stark between 2008 and now when it comes to a president on the way out and his endorsement. John McCain wanted to distance himself from Bush as much as possible.
Everything's Eventual…
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Any guesses on who Hillary might pick as her VP mate? Elizabeth Warren would appease Bernie supporters while making the ultimate girl power ticket, but she might also pick someone like Cory Booker. Or, you know, some white male politician I'm not familiar with.
Trump will probably pick John Cena or something.
Likely picks
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-could-clinton-choose-her-vp-cheat-sheet-n586756
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Taking Elizabeth Warren from her Senate position is dumb as hell and I hope people stop asking for it.
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You have to remember, VP is a terrible position. Yes, it makes you next in line if something awful happens, and if the guy your VP to is popular it makes you a likely pick next time…
but actually IN the job, VP has very little power and very few responsibilities... its actually a position to put someone in to get them out the way.
And no, you shouldn't steal a good senate seat to fill it.
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So basically Hillary's ideal running mate would be a moderately popular progressive with decent experience from a battleground state, so long as that person is under ~60 and isn't a Senator with a Republican governor.
Hillary's basically already got all the experience she needs and doesn't need to pick a minority candidate to diversify her ticket. I think her main goal should be finding someone open and likeable to balance her cold image.
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Yeah, Bernie might get something juicy like that. Not secretary of state, but something. Maaaybe secretary of education? This is the end of his career regardless.
Or he just goes back to doing what he was doing.
Put Bernie in charge of the Fed :ninja:
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I wonder exactly how much Obama will campaign for Hillary. The contrast is stark between 2008 and now when it comes to a president on the way out and his endorsement. John McCain wanted to distance himself from Bush as much as possible.
Obama is still a popular president, despite a vocal minority saying otherwise (and those people aren't going to vote for Hillary anyway). And his approval has only been rising thanks to the republican primary shitshow. Al Gore distanced himself from Clinton (admittingly much more popular than Obama) and that was a dumb mistake.
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Trump will probably pick John Cena or something.
But of course, we need a living meme to follow another living meme.
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All rise for Vice President Vince McMahon…
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@Cyan:
All rise for Vice President Vince McMahon…
I saw this and I believed you for a good 3 seconds.
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It be funny though if Trump picked Jesse Ventura as a call back to Jesse considering Trump for the same thing to his Presidental bid that never happened.
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I hope he picks Sarah Palin :ninja:
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Any guesses on who Hillary might pick as her VP mate? Elizabeth Warren would appease Bernie supporters while making the ultimate girl power ticket, but she might also pick someone like Cory Booker. Or, you know, some white male politician I'm not familiar with.
Trump will probably pick John Cena or something.
If Trump picked John Cena i'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
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@Cyan:
All rise for Vice President Vince McMahon…
Do you think they've worked out their differences?
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Wow, Trump has a wimpy punch.
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Warren should be automatically out because her replacement would almost certainly be a Republican.
If there's any Senator Hillary should pick as a running mate, it's Al Franken.
- His governor is a Democrat and would replace him with another from the same party.
- It'd be fun to watch Republicans try to explain why a former comedian is unqualified to be VP but a reality show host is qualified to be President.
- He's good enough.
- He's smart enough.
- Doggone it, people like him.
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Complicating things since 2009.
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And to follow up on that we have Warren tagging in:
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It's already over 300k retweets and 350k likes.
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@Cyan:
All rise for Vice President Vince McMahon…
Then we'll know Trump will lose lol.
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I have been wondering this for a while, since I'm not American or anything. But could someone explain to me how can the GOP acceptt such a big moron as their candidate? And how can said moron ever hope to rule a country when the only he does is make void promises and be at war WITH HIS OWN PARTY?
Really, it's no wonder the media is writing headers that already are addressing Hillary as president.
And here I thought our leaders were bad enough, guess not.
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I have been wondering this for a while, since I'm not American or anything. But could someone explain to me how can the GOP acceptt such a big moron as their candidate? And how can said moron ever hope to rule a country when the only he does is make void promises and be at war WITH HIS OWN PARTY?
Really, it's no wonder the media is writing headers that already are addressing Hillary as president.
And here I thought our leaders were bad enough, guess not.
Same reason people would have to accept him for president. He won the (party) election. That's democracy.
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I have been wondering this for a while, since I'm not American or anything. But could someone explain to me how can the GOP acceptt such a big moron as their candidate? And how can said moron ever hope to rule a country when the only he does is make void promises and be at war WITH HIS OWN PARTY?
Really, it's no wonder the media is writing headers that already are addressing Hillary as president.
And here I thought our leaders were bad enough, guess not.
Because there's enough racist assholes that like how he speaks and the ideas he presents to squeak him by into the party nomination. ANd because "he paid for his own campaign and is a self made billionaire" (Which are both lies.)
Doesn't help that the republican side couldn't pull together any sort of reasonable candidate to really rally behind or support, except other people that everyone hated like Ted Cruz, or that they were infighting between 17 guys while Trump gained momentum in the background. They tried to support Jeb Bush but the populace was not going to put up with another Bush.
He's absolutely not qualified. Doesn't mean the popular vote won't be behind him.
It's POSSIBLE the republicans will do something at the convention and block him, the party seems unified enough against him and doesn't want him, but….
It's the same way Ronald Reagan became president, or Arnold Schwarzenegger became a state governor. "Charisma" or personal appeal can go a lot further than it rightly should.
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Those two you say were a lot more rationale than Trump will ever be, and they would have never said the shameful things this guy did say.
At this rate the GOP is headed to self-destruction if they keep allowing this any further. I also heard many republicans will vote for Hillary.
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At this rate the GOP is headed to self-destruction if they keep allowing this any further..
That's the theory anyway. If they'd had any semblance of party unity or cohesion or anyone remotely reasonable to throw into the race, Trump wouldn't have gotten this far. By all logic and reason, he never should have come even close to where he is.
Some people just like the racism, it makes them feel good.
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Then again, the other candidate was much worse, it appears.
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That's the theory anyway. If they'd had any semblance of party unity or cohesion or anyone remotely reasonable to throw into the race, Trump wouldn't have gotten this far. By all logic and reason, he never should have come even close to where he is.
Some people just like the racism, it makes them feel good.
Even when this will likely cost them the election?
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Even when this will likely cost them the election?
That's why, if the party has any sense, they'll manage to not let him through the convention.
Or, the entire party could decry him and say "hey, the party made a bad choice here" and decry him for the next couple months in the hopes it won't also ruin the downballot races… which has happened in the past like with Goldwater.
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Cause that's the biggest thing. Trump running for president could also cost the republicans the house and senate, and as a result of that, the supreme court. So yeah. They got things to do.Hopefully Trump goes through and then gets crushed in a historic landslide as he by all rights should. Right now we can ease our minds by saying "it's only a fraction of Republican voters, who are only a fraction of actual republicans" and thus be able to tell us its really "only" like 6 or 7% of the population responding to this asshole, but that happens to be enough in the current political process. It'll be a really sad reflection on the country if it's anywhere close once the actual race starts.
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I have been wondering this for a while, since I'm not American or anything. But could someone explain to me how can the GOP acceptt such a big moron as their candidate? And how can said moron ever hope to rule a country when the only he does is make void promises and be at war WITH HIS OWN PARTY?
The GOP primary system deserves a lot of the blame as it wasn't until New York that Trump won the majority of the vote in any state but winner-take-all states had already given him a massive lead in delegate counts. That's because the "Not Trump" votes were split so many different ways; several states would have been won by somebody else fairly easily if there hadn't been so many candidates on the ballot. If they used a proportional system like the Democrats do, he would never have gotten such a large lead to begin with.
 
