I'm so saving this page, (or even last few pages) for the next SP awards.
Not sure if I will nom it for silliest moments or best argument.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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Third eye aside though, the design is a bit too plain and Nami-like though
I thought of this while reading the chapter the other day, but her similarities are far too many right now. Oda is probably going to change all that once her third eye is revealed and change her personality to some extent.
I'm expecting this blushing girl to turn into this sadistic cook when she's in the kitchen or something.
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I think they are different enough. They look alike that much is certain. But I wouldn't be confused if she were in crew, unlike Viola or Rebecca. (not that they had any chance anyway)
Their hair are very different.
The mouth and obviously the third eye are enough to differentiate them if you can't see the hair well.
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Though I like the idea of Carrot (or another female generally speaking) joining the crew, I just don't really think anyone but maybe Jinbe (or Vivi - and even here, not really) is going to actually join the main crew. The time skip just seems like such a neat divide and my gut tells me its all allies for the fleet from here on out. Does anyone else here think that or is everyone pretty into the whole "Luffy said 10" thing. I'm just curious. Not trying to actually debate because I'm stupid and I suck at it.
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Though I like the idea of Carrot (or another female generally speaking) joining the crew, I just don't really think anyone but maybe Jinbe (or Vivi - and even here, not really) is going to actually join the main crew. The time skip just seems like such a neat divide and my gut tells me its all allies for the fleet from here on out. Does anyone else here think that or is everyone pretty into the whole "Luffy said 10" thing. I'm just curious. Not trying to actually debate because I'm stupid and I suck at it.
Naw, I'm with you on the whole time skip being a divide. Like you said, it's Jinbe or bust with the only vague possibility beyond him being Vivi. I really don't see anyone introduced after the timeskip joining the main crew.
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@Daz:
I think I've cracked the code
- When Pedro is first seen his face is shadowed, like its in the middle of the night
- Jaguars are nocturnal - well, not totally, but somewhat- which would make Pedro ideally suited to staying up all night
- Pedro perches in high places, which can give him a vantage point for better studying the heavens
- Also a good time for stargazing? When you're hanging on a cross
- Pedro seems to be a knowledgeable sailor. How do you navigate at sea? STARS
- Jaguars are native to Southern America. Southern America is ideal for Observatories.
- Jaguars were associated with star-shapes in [mesoamerican culture](https://books.google.dk/books?id=FLJxLlGkpiUC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=Jaguar+star&source=bl&ots=XWfxJKId5F&sig=PKr595ObDNdQ-KlBf49aF_pu3Ps&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwlbjW4PzMAhXIK5oKHV0dB6QQ6AEIYzAM#v=onepage&q=Jaguar star&f=false)
- Enels coverstory shows space to be really important, and features mesoamerican-style murals!
- Pedros dedication to his scientific passion has caused him to - like all scientists- be socially awkward, shoving his face close to people, and makes him appear to have little personality
- Monet was reading astronomy books. Monet is also part animal.
–> Pedro for crew Astronomer!
You heard it here first!Thank you Daz, this was really insightful. And double points for the avatar.
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@Daz:
I think I've cracked the code
- When Pedro is first seen his face is shadowed, like its in the middle of the night
- Jaguars are nocturnal - well, not totally, but somewhat- which would make Pedro ideally suited to staying up all night
- Pedro perches in high places, which can give him a vantage point for better studying the heavens
- Also a good time for stargazing? When you're hanging on a cross
- Pedro seems to be a knowledgeable sailor. How do you navigate at sea? STARS
- Jaguars are native to Southern America. Southern America is ideal for Observatories.
- Jaguars were associated with star-shapes in [mesoamerican culture](https://books.google.dk/books?id=FLJxLlGkpiUC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=Jaguar+star&source=bl&ots=XWfxJKId5F&sig=PKr595ObDNdQ-KlBf49aF_pu3Ps&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwlbjW4PzMAhXIK5oKHV0dB6QQ6AEIYzAM#v=on epage&q=Jaguar star&f=false)
- Enels coverstory shows space to be really important, and features mesoamerican-style murals!
- Pedros dedication to his scientific passion has caused him to - like all scientists- be socially awkward, shoving his face close to people, and makes him appear to have little personality
- Monet was reading astronomy books. Monet is also part animal.
–> Pedro for crew Astronomer!
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Though I like the idea of Carrot (or another female generally speaking) joining the crew, I just don't really think anyone but maybe Jinbe (or Vivi - and even here, not really) is going to actually join the main crew. The time skip just seems like such a neat divide and my gut tells me its all allies for the fleet from here on out. Does anyone else here think that or is everyone pretty into the whole "Luffy said 10" thing. I'm just curious. Not trying to actually debate because I'm stupid and I suck at it.
You forgot that Blackbeard was said to have "10 titan captains" or whatever, so Luffy is bound to have 10 crewmembers, besides all other hints like him saying he wants 10 crewmembers and Oda liking soccer (11 players) and whatnot. But the first fact I said is a big hint.
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@Daz:
I think I've cracked the code
- When Pedro is first seen his face is shadowed, like its in the middle of the night
- Jaguars are nocturnal - well, not totally, but somewhat- which would make Pedro ideally suited to staying up all night
- Pedro perches in high places, which can give him a vantage point for better studying the heavens
- Also a good time for stargazing? When you're hanging on a cross
- Pedro seems to be a knowledgeable sailor. How do you navigate at sea? STARS
- Jaguars are native to Southern America. Southern America is ideal for Observatories.
- Jaguars were associated with star-shapes in [mesoamerican culture](https://books.google.dk/books?id=FLJxLlGkpiUC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=Jaguar+star&source=bl&ots=XWfxJKId5F&sig=PKr595ObDNdQ-KlBf49aF_pu3Ps&hl=da&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwlbjW4PzMAhXIK5oKHV0dB6QQ6AEIYzAM#v=onepage&q=Jaguar star&f=false)
- Enels coverstory shows space to be really important, and features mesoamerican-style murals!
- Pedros dedication to his scientific passion has caused him to - like all scientists- be socially awkward, shoving his face close to people, and makes him appear to have little personality
- Monet was reading astronomy books. Monet is also part animal.
–> Pedro for crew Astronomer!
You heard it here first!I'm afraid this may end up actually giving someone ideas.
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Oda had to have Nami change her hairstyle and put on a hat this very chapter in order to make Nami and Pudding different looking. They're pretty damn similar at the moment with her hair like it is, it even parts the same way and goes into waves the same
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Oda had to have Nami change her hairstyle and put on a hat this very chapter in order to make Nami and Pudding different looking. They're pretty damn similar at the moment with her hair like it is, it even parts the same way and goes into waves the same
Because Sanji has to decide
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Oda had to have Nami change her hairstyle and put on a hat this very chapter in order to make Nami and Pudding different looking. They're pretty damn similar at the moment with her hair like it is, it even parts the same way and goes into waves the same
Just scanned over the chapter again. Pudding's face, although generic, is not very similar to Nami's (if you take into consideration that all of Oda's female faces are at least 90 % similar, and some are more similar than others). She is most like a Conis/Viola hybrid if you ask me (big eyes/full lips). Rebecca is Nami's true clone though.
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Just scanned over the chapter again. Pudding's face, although generic, is not very similar to Nami's (if you take into consideration that all of Oda's female faces are at least 90 % similar, and some are more similar than others). She is most like a Conis/Viola hybrid if you ask me (big eyes/full lips). Rebecca is Nami's true clone though.
This dude going through a box of wheaties and pointing out different details.
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@Monkey:
This dude going through a box of wheaties and pointing out different details.
I'm fully aware that Oda's female faces are homogenous. I just wanted to say Pudding's face is, in context of Oda female facial homogeny, not that similar to Nami's.
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I'd say Pudding's face is more of a composite
-the rounded eyes of Koala
-the blushing of Shirahoshi
-the thick lips of Viola
Slapped onto the figure of Nami with a different hairstyle.And two of those are just giant mermaid Nami and cute Nami. Pudding's only unique feature to herself is her third eye that she's still covering up.
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Oda can do different female faces if he wants. Amazon Lilly is proof enough of that. But since he does have a certain standard of beauty that would apply to any given third female crewmate, he could… GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT HAIRCUT.
Long wavy hair that parts a certain way that looks basically the same?
If he wants to mix them up, he could have given her short hair like Caimie or Carrot, or some of the proposed Robin designs, or really focused on the ponytails, or something really out there.
Instead, she's standard pretty co-star look in a haircut thats really close to Nami's. Not Rebecca close, but close..
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I'm surprised no one has brought the "nami-looking alike" thing with Pudding.
Sorry for doing it.
wwahaha, my evil plan worked just fine, my job here's done…. excelsior!!
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You forgot that Blackbeard was said to have "10 titan captains" or whatever, so Luffy is bound to have 10 crewmembers, besides all other hints like him saying he wants 10 crewmembers and Oda liking soccer (11 players) and whatnot. But the first fact I said is a big hint.
I didn't forget exactly. I certainly think Jinbe has a great chance, but he was at least introduced pre-time skip. I just really think Jinbe and maybe Vivi are the ones who actually have a chance of joining the main crew at this late date. The Blackbeard argument is certainly a good one for the 10 members thing.
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The next two crew members will be Jinbei and Momonosuke! I'd bet any and everything on it.
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The next two crew members will be Jinbei and Momonosuke! I'd bet any and everything on it.
Jinbe sure but Momo? Don't you think he's lacking in the power department? Aside from everything revolving around his role with Wano how would we expect him to keep up with enemies that the Straw Hats faced even in the East Blue?
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Momo already sealed his fate when he said he was gonna be a Shogun.
Franky didn't follow Tom's exact path and Momo doesn't have to follow Oden's.
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Momo is the princess of the next arc. Useless in a fight and loaded with responsibilities to rule his country after the tyrant is dethroned. He won't be joining, though obviously Wano will pledge its aid for the end-series war, and he just miiight be involved in the Reverie depending on how Wano's policies change by the end and when exactly it takes place.
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Pedro wont join. Neither will pudding.
The reason? Luffy is the only strawhat who can have the letter D. In any shape or form. Figure we need some crackpot not joining theories
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@Long:
Pedro wont join. Neither will pudding.
The reason? Luffy is the only strawhat who can have the letter D. In any shape or form. Figure we need some crackpot not joining theories
The next great Bearious theory: Pe D. Ro
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pop sleep bubble…you still talking about me? Smh...and no troll Pe D. Ro is stupid
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The next two crew members will be Jinbei and Momonosuke! I'd bet any and everything on it.
I could see Momo being a "cabin boy" in the same way as Shanks and Buggy when they were under Roger, but Momo's got the same problem as Vivi. Too weak, too many obligations and no immediate function he could serve on the crew.
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I mean, he's got you there: have you ever known a jaguar to secretly communicate with Wano? I didn't think so.
Made my day, top kek
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Jinbe sure but Momo? Don't you think he's lacking in the power department? Aside from everything revolving around his role with Wano how would we expect him to keep up with enemies that the Straw Hats faced even in the East Blue?
Momo is the princess of the next arc. Useless in a fight and loaded with responsibilities to rule his country after the tyrant is dethroned. He won't be joining, though obviously Wano will pledge its aid for the end-series war, and he just miiight be involved in the Reverie depending on how Wano's policies change by the end and when exactly it takes place.
I could see Momo being a "cabin boy" in the same way as Shanks and Buggy when they were under Roger, but Momo's got the same problem as Vivi. Too weak, too many obligations and no immediate function he could serve on the crew.
I see Momo as the cabin boy. He wouldn't need to face off against any strong opponents, at least not single handedly. His introduction was shrouded in mystery, which was an eye catcher. Although he is royalty like Vivi, he is too young to be play a strong role in actively ruling Wano. He brings a lot to the crew dynamic as he has unique, and funny, relationships with the other crew members. He has to learn to read Ponoglyphs and Robin can teach him. Nami babys him. Sanji and Brook hate how he gets away with being a little perv. He and Luffy are always fighting. And Zoro can be a swordsman mentor for him. Wanting to be a great Shogun can be his big dream. Besides, Odin was on Roger's crew so why cant he be on Luffy's. There is just too much going for him. I have the utmost confidence that he will become a SH!
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Yes, because in a shonen action series having someone helpless that can't join in any battles and has to be constantly protected is exactly what you want in a limited roster of crewmembers.
He's got greater responsibilities and he can train all those things in Wano once Kaidou is dealt with.
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No one but Robin can teach him to read the Ponoglyphys. He has a kickass devil fruit that I'm sure Chopper can help him master. I don't think he will need to be protected like its a constant escort mission. The crew needs a cabin boy. Roger's cabin boys weren't strong (at the time) and he made it all the way to Pirate King.
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No one but Robin can teach him to read the Ponoglyphys. He has a kickass devil fruit that I'm sure Chopper can help him master. I don't think he will need to be protected like its a constant escort mission. The crew needs a cabin boy. Roger's cabin boys weren't strong (at the time) and he made it all the way to Pirate King.
Yeah, a cabin boy position is sorely missed on Sunny. Just think of all the duties Momo could do instead of running a country. Folding sheets, scrubbing the deck, keeping the bathroom clean, peeling potatoes…
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He's too young to be put in charge of running Wano. You are right though. The Sunny needs a cabin boy about as badly as they needed…oh say...a musician. The fact that he's royalty but fills the roll of a cabin boy would only add the the humor between he and Luffy.
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Well he wants to become one and his retainers seem to be serious about it as well. Their mission on Wano would have to partly fail for Momo to somehow end up on Sunny as a full member.
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He's too young to be put in charge of running Wano. You are right though. The Sunny needs a cabin boy about as badly as they needed…oh say...a musician. The fact that he's royalty but fills the roll of a cabin boy would only add the the humor between he and Luffy.
No one has expressed any desire or need for a cabin boy though, unlike a musician.
I can understand the desire to watch Momo grow and improve, but that'd have to be weighted against making his perverted wish-fulfilment antics a mainstay of the story. In terms of the entertainment value provided by his character I have no desire to keep Momo around, if nothing else for Nami and Robins sake.
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There are too many perverts in the crew as it is. Besides, the crew already has a royal prince on board, Sanji.
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The crew wasn't clamoring for a sniper when Usopp joined, and many of them were straight up against letting Robin join (not to mention that they weren't asking for an archeologist either). As far as positions on a ship, they need a helmsman (Jinbei) and a cabin boy (Momo).
The mission on Wano wouldn't be a partial failure if he joined the crew. They are there to overthough Kaidou and the Shogun and put the rightful rulers back in power. He can have Kinemon or someone else he trusts rule in his place while he goes with the SH to learn to read the Ponoglyphs. As the ruler of Wano, where they were made, that's a skill he NEEDS. Who other than Robin can teach him?. I could see Luffy letting him join so he can learn, but making him the cabin boy to put him in his place.
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I could see Momo being a "cabin boy" in the same way as Shanks and Buggy when they were under Roger, but Momo's got the same problem as Vivi. Too weak, too many obligations and no immediate function he could serve on the crew.
Momo has one more problem than Vivi and one that Shanks and Buggy didn't have = age.
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I serious doubt that Luffy will make some kid part of the crew when he's not even hit puberty yet.
I'm pretty sure that's how he (and Oda) sees Chopper, though.
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Momo has one more problem than Vivi and one that Shanks and Buggy didn't have = age.
Momo is too young. I serious doubt that Luffy will make some kid part of the crew when he's not even hit puberty yet.I don't think age is a problem. Luffy was still a kid when he tried to join Shanks' crew. If Momo really wants to become a SH and he proves his determination to Luffy, I think Luffy would take him on board.
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@.access:
I'm pretty sure that's how he (and Oda) sees Chopper, though.
Chopper was what 15-16 when he joined not 8-9. So its not the same.
I don't think age is a problem. Luffy was still a kid when he tried to join Shanks' crew. If Momo really wants to become a SH and he proves his determination to Luffy, I think Luffy would take him on board.
That being said, I believe Mom will just be another ally and not a nakama. I honestly don't see a nakama candidate out of anybody being introduced so far (except for Jinbe, of course, but he's pretty much a SH already).Funny you mentioned Shanks because that's why I think Luffy would not take him. He remembers Shanks and Ben's words from back then. How the seas are dangerous and the captain has to look out for the crew. Luffy has seen just how dangerous the seas are. While danger wouldn't bother Luffy, he does think of his crew. He knows how tough things can get and that both he and his crew needed 2 years to train before entering the New World.
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People still trying to discuss if the game is settled already
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People still trying to discuss if the game is settled already
Yeah… Did yoy guys see Carrot this chapter? Nakama material right there!!
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Yeah… Did yoy guys see Carrot this chapter? Nakama material right there!!
Could you explain? Is this sarcasm??
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She.. garchued another girl.
Ichiji for nakama! We need a swirly eyebrows creep with weird hair!
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She.. garchued another girl.
Ichiji for nakama! We need a swirly eyebrows creep with weird hair!
Disagree dude's total nami clone
Seriously though, one of those two had a franky styled face ( similarily to yonji looking a bit like zoro ), Im not sure if they are nice though lol
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Wanting to be a great Shogun can be his big dream.
And leaving Wano to travel the Grand Line will accomplish this how?
Besides, Odin was on Roger's crew so why cant he be on Luffy's. There is just too much going for him. I have the utmost confidence that he will become a SH!
If Odin's speciality was Poneglyphs then his Strawhat equivalent is Robin.
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The crew wasn't clamoring for a sniper when Usopp joined,
The story however was clamoring for a weaker everyman character to counteract the growing staff of fearless badasses.
Which story purpose does Momo fulfill. Because if its "younger impressionable innocent" we already have Chopper.and many of them were straight up against letting Robin join (not to mention that they weren't asking for an archeologist either).
Archaeologist however is massively important and relevant to the central core plot in the deepest sense.
I hope you're not going to argue Cabin Boy is like that!As far as positions on a ship, they need a helmsman (Jinbei) and a cabin boy (Momo).
They don't need either one of those things. Jimbei is fitting a different sort of niche on the crew. Momo's only real in as the young innocent is as I said already taken.
Not to mention why the heck would Oda choose NOW to introduce a child character to watch grow. Its way way way too late in the story for that to make any sense.The mission on Wano wouldn't be a partial failure if he joined the crew. They are there to overthough Kaidou and the Shogun and put the rightful rulers back in power. He can have Kinemon or someone else he trusts rule in his place while he goes with the SH to learn to read the Ponoglyphs. As the ruler of Wano, where they were made, that's a skill he NEEDS.
Why would the emperor/shogun of Wano need to know to read Poneglyphs. His dad wasn't the ruler of Wano.
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@.access:
I'm pretty sure that's how he (and Oda) sees Chopper, though.
Chopper is innocent but not a child. He is currently eighteen, and was sixteen when he joined. Same age as Vivi.
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I don't think age is a problem. Luffy was still a kid when he tried to join Shanks' crew.
And I believe you just destroyed your own argument! Take five seconds to think back to how that whole plot resolved itself and I think you'll see what you just did here.
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Just a nitpick, Chopper was 15 when he joined and is now 17.
Doesn't detract from any of your points though.
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@Monkey:
1) And leaving Wano to travel the Grand Line will accomplish this how?
2) If Odin's speciality was Poneglyphs then his Strawhat equivalent is Robin.
3) The story however was clamoring for a weaker everyman character to counteract the growing staff of fearless badasses.
Which story purpose does Momo fulfill. Because if its "younger impressionable innocent" we already have Chopper.4) Archaeologist however is massively important and relevant to the central core plot in the deepest sense.
I hope you're not going to argue Cabin Boy is like that!5) They don't need either one of those things. Jimbei is fitting a different sort of niche on the crew. Momo's only real in as the young innocent is as I said already taken.
Not to mention why the heck would Oda choose NOW to introduce a child character to watch grow. Its way way way too late in the story for that to make any sense.6) Why would the emperor/shogun of Wano need to know to read Poneglyphs. His dad wasn't the ruler of Wano.
1) I can't say with any certainty what all Momo would gain from traveling with the crew. But if nothing else, his main reason for joining would be to learn to read Poneglyphs.
2 & 6) His dad was a Daimyo. Oda pointed out the connection between that clan and the Poneglyphs, and what a tragedy it is that the ability to read/write that text wasn't passed on to Momo. He wouldn't be a proper successor if he couldn't do that. As far as we know, Robin is the only one capable of teaching him.3 & 4) Those dots can easily be connected now that we are looking back at them, but it would have been ludicrous to suggest Robin for new SH while the Alabasta arc was taking place (I'm sure some people did though, just like with Monet). At Syrup Village, even though it might have been evident that Usopp would join, you wouldn't have said, "What the crew needs is someone who lies a lot." His sniping skills weren't proven yet.
5) Everyone has a sailing related responsibility that they do (captain, first mate, navigator, gunner, cook, doctor, archeologist [whom I assume also keeps the ships log], shipwright, and musician). New crew members would likewise be responsible for fulfill some type of sailing related job as well. It would be lame if Jinbei was only there to be a tough guy. He has experience in the seas and helmsman is a role for which that experience is suited. A kid like Momo, the only role he could play on a ship is cabin boy. Imho, those would be the be best positions for them. And the story doesn't end with Momo being a badass, just like Roger's story didn't end with Shanks being a yonkou. If by the end of the story he has matured a little bit and knows how to read the Poneglyphs, that would be enough development for him.
Thanks for bringing up such good points. I had to think carefully in my response to them.
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Pudding's low chances got lowered by her being so weak, or pretending to weak. I didnt have much promise at first, she was the biggest grain of sand in the potential nakama beach for now.
Still cant deny I wanted her an sanji to get along well and have some development, maybe we will see more of them interacting, if what happened is that they met and he told her he couldnt marry her that's nice but if they havent met that takes away a cool sanji moment away so I'd be a little disappointed. We've seen oda brush over moments before and flesh them out a lot more later, besides what use what their be for her to be tricked by another sanji brother?
Her leading them along a secret path to big mom is a lot more open to interpretation in my mind and the sweat drops and 12 dots to me mean that it is either a trap or that she is worried about what'll happen to her for going through with this.
I kind of hope this is a thing were the twist is like 816. Either that or that slime rats to big mom about the plans and pudding doesnt know about the ambush ( think lion king 2 )