Now that I think about it, Shanks stopped Kaido from going after Whitebeard. Maybe Kaido and the KHA had a conversation, and Kaido either wants to get Shanks back for whatever happened or already didn't like Shanks to begin with, whether personal or just that he's competition as a fellow Yonkou.
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Technically that would be the lasagna, since he has Nekomamushi as his avatar. But nice one.
Forgot about the lasagna :P Katzztar btw is a she.
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I actually thinks Daz voices a very reasonable complain. Zou was, indeed, a very, VERY wordy arc, and the bits used to offset it (the flashbacks did have some nice eye candy and some action) feel more scarce than, say, Sabaody Archipelago, an arc which balanced long exposition bouts with lots of exciting action. In that sense, this is definitely an unbalanced arc.
But there's no a rule saying "an arc has to be balacend in terms of words and actions". So an author is free to write a wordy arc that makes the readers say accurate stuff like:
That said, I feel the actual talking itself. . .is pretty good stuff. There's some very sorely missed character interactions in here, the most we've had in years. There're hints of characters going through stuff, specially Sanji, which was beyond needed at this point; also, comedy has been pretty hilarious, good revelations all along, which enhanced the vision of the One Piece world as a whole, in a pretty organic way. At least, that's how I feel. Also, some of these revelations helped in enhance the characters themselves (Sanji, Momonosuke, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. . .).
It's a good arc that makes the plot advance and enriches the setup for what is coming.
I see the complain about the balance comes from the fact that people want to see good action in OP. That said, it's still not the end of the arc, because the true is … that Jack was thrown by the hit in such and angle that, instead of falling into the ocean, he's going to land exactly over Momo's head and all the complainers will have their fight next chapter. Oda's wisdom!
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I don't know if this was mentioned before, but I found that panel with Ginrummy pretty weird. It gave me the feeling that at some point she will rebel against Jack because of his extreme violence.
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Just going to say it again, the entire Zou arc was nothing more than an introduction arc for Jack and the beast pirates. They're no threat YET but will be so down the line. It was dumb to expect this arc to go longer than 1-4 chapters from the start.
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I don't know if this was mentioned before, but I found that panel with Ginrummy pretty weird. It gave me the feeling that at some point she will rebel against Jack because of his extreme violence.
People like Jack and Kaido are too crazy to have a lot of followers to be honest. Right now most of their crew might just be too scared to rebel or maybe they haven't seen how insane their captains are. There are obviously some that are just as crazy as them so they won't care.
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Now that I think about it, Shanks stopped Kaido from going after Whitebeard. Maybe Kaido and the KHA had a conversation, and Kaido either wants to get Shanks back for whatever happened or already didn't like Shanks to begin with, whether personal or just that he's competition as a fellow Yonkou.
Yeah, i agree. I think itll end up being shown as Kaido being psychotic and evil and Shanks being well good ol Shanks. I think theyll have conflicting personalities on top of all their squabbles theyve had and theyll end up trying to take each other down.
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Me too, isn't that amazing?
Chocolate is food of the gods.
I thought catnip was your fav:ninja:
LOL that's a tea, not cookies.
Technically that would be the lasagna, since he has Nekomamushi as his avatar. But nice one.
Oh there's no joke there I really do love lasagna! With plenty of meat and cheese. But there's no denying that chocolate is heavenly
And Australo is right, I'm a gal
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Forgot about the lasagna :P Katzztar btw is a she.
Oops my bad. I don't think this forum displays gender and stuff like that.
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Chocolate is food of the gods.
LOL that's a tea, not cookies.
Oh there's no joke there I really do love lasagna! With plenty of meat and cheese. But there's no denying that chocolate is heavenly
And Australo is right, I'm a gal
But don't worry I get a lot thinking I'm male here in AP either due to having mainly male avas or (as one member once said) my manners seemed more masculine somehow. :blink:Totally agree with what you said, love chocolate and lasagna, and I'm a gal too. And I get mistaken for a guy all the time. Sorry I should have assumed you could be a girl. Silly me.
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Totally agree with what you said, love chocolate and lasagna, and I'm a gal too. And I get mistaken for a guy all the time. Sorry I should have assumed you could be a girl. Silly me.
As said above, not a problem. :) And if you just assumed a member is a girl, then you still risk getting it wrong lol.
A few years ago I used to think Catpain Ugly was a girl back when he using a maid-chan ava.Nope it doesn't show gender. Only 2 ways to know a member's gender here, either be told or go to this thread =
The Official Arlong Park Gender thread
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There's no way they'd die just like that. They'll get lucky somehow.
Didnt the minks mention wanting to find out how jack ended up there, is it possible they save him and interrogate him. Flaty wood is fine in the east blue but in the new world the seas shouldnt be so swell that they could wash up somewhere without dying
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As said above, not a problem. :) And if you just assumed a member is a girl, then you still risk getting it wrong lol.
A few years ago I used to think Catpain Ugly was a girl back when he using a maid-chan ava.Nope it doesn't show gender. Only 2 ways to know a member's gender here, either be told or go to this thread =
The Official Arlong Park Gender thread
Though I don't think the list in the first post is up to date some still post thereOh lol yeah that can be a problem. :p
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Just going to say it again, the entire Zou arc was nothing more than an introduction arc for Jack and the beast pirates. They're no threat YET but will be so down the line. It was dumb to expect this arc to go longer than 1-4 chapters from the start.
People like Jack and Kaido are too crazy to have a lot of followers to be honest. Right now most of their crew might just be too scared to rebel or maybe they haven't seen how insane their captains are. There are obviously some that are just as crazy as them so they won't care.
sounds like you've only read 1-4 chapters of zou if you think it was nothing more than to introduce jack. i'm not sure if i can even take a statement like that seriously, but here i am. jack is probably the one thing that could be edited out of this arc entirely and it still be the hugely expository bridge arc that is has been. but, i don't want to start a "what should have been" discussion.
and it was established before, and solidified not a few chapters ago that yonkou have vast crews that spare no scrutiny when they are trying to hunt someone or something down. if anything it means losing ginrummy as a nakama will show their ruthlessness, if nothing at all. kaido may not be the cleverest pirate alive, but he holds a red poneglyph (another landmark plot device the "introducing jack island" has given us), which means
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So are we still expecting luffy vs jack later, the way he was defeated certainly satisfies the minks watching their oppressor get wrecked but that certainly doesnt mean jack wont show up again in Wano
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So anybody have any theories to why the Kid Alliance is under Kaido and what transpired after Kaido's suicide attempt? I think they took one look at Kaido and like "Well hey there buddy, need any underlings? We're going after Shanks!"
Well Apoo joined Kaido and Kid was defeated/captured, Hawkins is whereabouts unknown. If Kid was under Kaidou I'd be mad as fuck. If you look at the last page of the chapter, you can see Kid's leg behind bars.
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Well Apoo joined Kaido and Kid was defeated/captured, Hawkins is whereabouts unknown. If Kid was under Kaidou I'd be mad as fuck. If you look at the last page of the chapter, you can see Kid's leg behind bars.
Hmmmm. Are you sure thats Kid though? I looked at that panel closely and i didnt see proof that Kid's behind bars. All we know for a fact is the On Air Pirates are under Kaido, the other two crews whereabouts are a mystery my guess under Kaido as well (by force).
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Hmmmm. Are you sure thats Kid though? I looked at that panel closely and i didnt see proof that Kid's behind bars. All we know for a fact is the On Air Pirates are under Kaido, the other two crews whereabouts are a mystery my guess under Kaido as well (by force).
It doesn't fit Kidd's character to submit to anybody even a yonko while Apoo seems to be more of an opportunist. Hawkins would just follow his cards so whether or not that lead him to escape somehow or also become and underling is yet to be seen.
I like the idea that Apoo was actually working under Kaido the entire time.
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Hmmmm. Are you sure thats Kid though? I looked at that panel closely and i didnt see proof that Kid's behind bars. All we know for a fact is the On Air Pirates are under Kaido, the other two crews whereabouts are a mystery my guess under Kaido as well (by force).
I can clearly see Kid's trademark pants and frilled boot in there.
And really, if you're gonna show a jail cell, then it's reasonable to believe that there is a person there.
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since i'm posting, i'll humor the kidd panel. it's very like oda to hide these details and not waste time like that. if it is kidd, it's because he's being held down in seastone, which i'm sure kaidou can get his hands on, because kidd's power is magneto like, and he's not one to work under someone he's trying to take down. but it also just looks like a pov from outside of kaidou's spooky lair, and the triangle is the doorway.
also the panel of shocked franky's profile foreground of the whale tree, smack dab in the middle of such a shocking scene was spit my coffee out hilarious. thank you, oda.
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You know, I just remembered, it's the one year anniversary of Darth's banning. I wonder what things would be like if he were still around, I kind of miss his rants in an odd way. Oh well, may he be in happiness wherever he is.
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I can clearly see Kid's trademark pants and frilled boot in there.
And really, if you're gonna show a jail cell, then it's reasonable to believe that there is a person there.
Well ill have to take a closer look, im on a shitty phone tht doesnt load pictures well so when i get home ill take a closer look and zoom in on my computer. If Kid really did say "Screw Kaido!" you best believe he caught a swift whipping and was tossed in jail. I agree that his rebellious attitude would mean he wouldnt work under Kaido. So this begs the question: where is Hawkins? Is the Shanks takedown plan in jeopardy?
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You know, I just remembered, it's the one year anniversary of Darth's banning. I wonder what things would be like if he were still around, I kind of miss his rants in an odd way. Oh well, may he be in happiness wherever he is.
He did come back with another account but banned again so he most likely made another account after that but just toned it down so people would not notice him lol.
Well ill have to take a closer look, im on a shitty phone tht doesnt load pictures well so when i get home ill take a closer look and zoom in on my computer. If Kid really did say "Screw Kaido!" you best believe he caught a swift whipping and was tossed in jail. I agree that his rebellious attitude would mean he wouldnt work under Kaido. So this begs the question: where is Hawkins? Is the Shanks takedown plan in jeopardy?
Hawkins has a black cat mink in his crew he might have gotten Apoo to join kaido also the black cat mink is the way Jack found Zou.
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On P9, last panel, I don't understand why the woman is sweating ? All the other guys are enjoying the violence made to the elephant but she seems nervous about it ?
Maybe because she think zou will attack them back which it did lol.
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Hawkins has a black cat mink in his crew he might have gotten Apoo to join kaido also the black cat mink is the way Jack found Zou.
Hmm, thats a solid theory. Do you think Apoo/Hawkins are on their way to Zou themselves, maybe to save Jack? Still, Hawkins is unpredictable theres really no telling what hes up to i doubt he plans on bowing down like Apoo appears to be doing, unless his cards told him to.
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kaido vs luffy(Kaido will have skirmishes with Marco, while law and possibly kidd will serve as back up and aid to strawhat luffy.
If cards is the titles or names of the other two calamities;
King vs skirmish with marco and Zoro(when attempting to attack luffy) while fighting mainly against Sanji( if Queen is female) or Zoro if Queen is male.
Queen vs Sanji if male or one of two main fights for Zoro if female. plus skirmishes with other members like jimbei,Shogun vs Samurai who evade his elite hench men, skirmish with cavendish(his main fight if he is weaker than the other two calamities, or with king or Queen vs Zoro.
Jack vs inu and neko but as a skirmish, they will leave him for two reasons, as impressive as they are, their loss of limb plus the safety of momonosuke will make them have a stronger piority to body guard their lord from the countless goons from both the beast pirates and shogun army. Jimbei might be his main opponent along with killer possible,luffy will punch him like he promised he would, marco will clash with him as well.
X Drake vs skirmishes with zoro, law, mabe kidd, Jimbei, killer, cavendish and bartolomeo and sai as main opponents leading to only stale mate of war.
top samurai under shogun vs Brook, cavendish, vista, kinemon, kanjuro, raizou,
other members on similar strengh field to X drake vs people like one arm Jozu, franky, chooper.. harujin, sai, don chinjao,
the ones akin to gin rummy and sheepshead vs Robin, nami, certain tontatta
Allies in mold of joker vs marco, one arm jozu, vista,
Apoo vs skirmish with Kidd if kidd not their side, skirmish with jimbei, bartolomeo, law, franky main opponent none, at one point he withdraws similar to his actions against Kizarukiller if Kidd in alliance with Kaido vs skirmish with zoro, cavendish bartolomeo, franky, jozu, marco main opponent Ussop.
Kidd if in alliance with kaido, vs skirmish with luffy, marco, zoro, vista unnamed minks and pirates from the strawhat grand fleet main opponent Law with aid from heart pirates.
hawkins might just speculate like marineford like i suspect the navy is going to do and Buggyy and certain info collectors from big mom and absa. if not vs other whitebeard remnants commanders, zoro, inu and neko when he starts targeting momonosuke.
minks, heart pirates, strawhat grand fleet, the 4th division of said fleet samurai loyal to momonosuke, nami, ussop,robin will face off largely against the enormous goons from kaido and shogun fraction, but the entire force led by strawhat luffy the commander in cheif including luffy and his general leuitenants; zoro, law, sanji, five retainers of momo, marco will all fight countless goons and push back the navy at the war's conclusion.
Orlumbus, his grand fleet, majority of tontattas and the bulk of the happo navy including the vice captain :the little brother and baby 5 will take care of the naval battle on the outskirts of wanokuni.
thats my idea of the upcoming war, no problems if it far outguns my imagination. but the possible scene of the navy trying to finish off the winners but being stalemated only to end up with kaido and his crew as yet another massive event goes down elsewhere should be insane
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Hmm, thats a solid theory. Do you think Apoo/Hawkins are on their way to Zou themselves, maybe to save Jack? Still, Hawkins is unpredictable theres really no telling what hes up to i doubt he plans on bowing down like Apoo appears to be doing, unless his cards told him to.
Well Apoo did say he lost contact with Jack so it would make sense that they go rescue Jack if he gets captured by the minks which is likely since they need to find out how he found zou..
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Well Apoo joined Kaido and Kid was defeated/captured, Hawkins is whereabouts unknown. If Kid was under Kaidou I'd be mad as fuck. If you look at the last page of the chapter, you can see Kid's leg behind bars.
It's in your signature, Kidd would rather die than work under anyone he is Luffy's rival and he bows down to no one. Okay, he got defeated but anyone would if they went up against Kaido…it's fucking Kaido the strongest beast on the planet lol So I don't feel bad that my favorite supernova got defeated by him.
I wish I could go back and find the thread of those people who said the castle silhouette was Jack himself and that he could be a midget. Some people on this thread are really delusional, quite entertainingly so at times.
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You seem taken aback by this. Jack strikes me as the type of person one would employ because of how cold blooded they are, not for strategic ability or even having good leadership skills. The guy is all brawn and savage brutality, given everything we know about Kaido so far, having a high ranking subordinate who only cares about leaving a trail of dead behind him sounds about right. I also got the impression that Jack coming across as more beast than man was the intended effect his character is suppose to have.
In the beginning I wasn't but when I started to break down Jack's character he started to rub me the wrong way, especifically the fact he's been given such a tremendous bounty with those poor decision making abilities. I agree he is all brawns and someone to be wary off, however after seeing how smart he is.. or the lack of brains thereof I can't help but think the guy could be defeated easily by a well built trap set up by someone of say Mr3's calliber?. (I am completely sure Oda wouldn't throw this at us) and yet Jacks decisions are by far amongst the dimmer ones throughtout the manga. I propose to make a poll and ask the AP population who has made the dumber decisions inmanga from all characters so far, I am sure this guy is pretty high up the pole.
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I wonder what was reason for Kidd being captured and not killed off by Kaido.
Maybe Kaido is keeping Kidd alive as he wants him to join his crew ? Kidd could have been for example able to wound Kaido and thats why Kidd wasnt killed(it would hype Kidd a lot and also show that Kaido can be wounded/ beaten).
I hope that Kidd is now able to build a gigantic robot-like metal golem that he is "piloting" with his Devil Fruit power.
He had some love for robots since he was a kid(d)
I am sure that this drawing from SBS is foreshadowing of Kidd forming up gigantic metal golem with his DF power.
Also I cannot wait to see how he looks in it with his pilot glasses on his eyes instead of forehead :blink:Kidd also gotten really buff during timeskip so perhaps his DF power grows stronger as he physically gets stronger I wonder..
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I wonder what you're trying to accomplish with this post. Both sides were wrong, and I dare anyone to come here and say that he predicted accurately how things would unfold.
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But just not knowing how things will go doesn't mean we can't speculate about it […]That was exactly the point of my original post, both sides were wrong, that was the only really predictable thing.
And there is a BIG difference between speculating and what we had in the threads of the past chapters, everyone was just repeating things ad nauseam, with an (for me) unexplicable overconfidence.I don't think I was trying to accomplish something with that post, it was just an outburst, the only reaction I had the first time that I read the chapter.
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Anybody else notice the art has gotten a lot better since about near the end of Dressrosa. ~09-13 was definitely my least favorite period when it came to the manga's art style but it's been a lot more polished lately.
I disagree…every chapter with Jack there's at least two or three drawings of him that just look terrible.
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tbh some people were pretty persistent about the Jack vs Luffy fight that it was kinda annoying, they wouldn't let you predict any other scenario without shoving the luffy promising to beat jack panel down your throat as if it was an unnegotiable fact !
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I wonder what was reason for Kidd being captured and not killed off by Kaido.
Maybe Kaido is keeping Kidd alive as he wants him to join his crew ? Kidd could have been for example able to wound Kaido and thats why Kidd wasnt killed(it would hype Kidd a lot and also show that Kaido can be wounded/ beaten).
I hope that Kidd is now able to build a gigantic robot-like metal golem that he is "piloting" with his Devil Fruit power.
He had some love for robots since he was a kid(d)
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/a/a9/Kid_Enfant.png/revision/latest?cb=20150608124049&path-prefix=frI am sure that this drawing from SBS is foreshadowing of Kidd forming up gigantic metal golem with his DF power.
Also I cannot wait to see how he looks in it with his pilot glasses on his eyes instead of forehead :blink:Kidd also gotten really buff during timeskip so perhaps his DF power grows stronger as he physically gets stronger I wonder..
Kidd is still alive since Hawkins and Apoo would have told him about Kidd wanting to take down Shanks one of Kaido's enemys and ace did not join whitebeard after his first beatdown so i expect other people working for yonkou need to be given a few beatings before they agree to join.
kidd can betray kaido when luffy's alliance attacks and hawkins will most likely jump ship when he uses his cards to find out kaido losing as well.
i want apoo to lose to brook since both music fighters
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Hawkins has a black cat mink in his crew he might have gotten Apoo to join kaido also the black cat mink is the way Jack found Zou.
By the time Kaido dropped on the alliance meeting, Jack was already on Zou.
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So anybody have any theories to why the Kid Alliance is under Kaido and what transpired after Kaido's suicide attempt? I think they took one look at Kaido and like "Well hey there buddy, need any underlings? We're going after Shanks!"
more like kid got rekt,apoo decided to bow and serve to save his life and hawkins..hell if i know what that guy is thinking.
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could there be a treator in Law's crew and that is how Jack could find Zou ? It seems impossible it is a mink.
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more like kid got rekt,apoo decided to bow and serve to save his life and hawkins..hell if i know what that guy is thinking.
Hawkins probably "played his cards right" and got the fuck outta there lol!
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I wonder how the fight against Kaidou will be. There's no way Luffy will go one on one against Kaidou.
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It's not like Momo talked to him with his mind. He "screamed his lungs out". You can't be saying Zunisha has selective hearing.
It's not about hearing, it's about understanding. Everyone could hear the elephant, but only Luffy and Momo understood what he was saying.
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By the time Jack dropped on the alliance meeting, Jack was already on Zou.
Hawkins was already allied to Kaido since he has been in the new world for 2 years you will notice how only kidd is locked up so his black cat mink in hawkins crew could have told Jack how to find it.
the black cat most likely have a card made from the nails of one of the two leaders since they both have left zou in the past.
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Hawkins was already allied to Kaido since he has been in the new world for 2 years you will notice how only kidd is locked up so his black cat mink in hawkins crew could have told Jack how to find it.
the black cat most likely have a card made from the nails of one of the two leaders since they both have left zou in the past.
So Kaido has 2 Supernova infiltrate Kid's alliance all that he could orchestrate his ploy to jump from a floating sky island directly to the island they were meeting on, all so that he could safely dispose of the gigantic threat that Kid posed to his pirate empire?
Not sure what you have against poor Black Cat. What did he ever do to deserve such distrust?
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Hawkins probably "played his cards right" and got the fuck outta there lol!
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So Kaido has 2 Supernova infiltrate Kid's alliance all that he could orchestrate his ploy to jump from a floating sky island directly to the island they were meeting on, all so that he could safely dispose of the gigantic threat that Kid posed to his pirate empire?
Not sure what you have against poor Black Cat. What did he ever do to deserve such distrust?
We had in this chapter them wanting to find out how Jack keeps coming back to Zou and Apoo could have changed sides when he saw that Hawkins was on Kaido's side after all Apoo has never actually liked Kidd even back on sa before the time skip he did not like kidd.
Hawkins getting Apoo to give Kaido the bad news makes sense as well since he is the new recruit so he can do jobs that other don't want to do..
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Was there any reason why Jack would think the elephant wouldn't strike back? It's not likely that he knew about Zunisha's sentence from the past. Right..?
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Was there any reason why Jack would think the elephant wouldn't strike back? It's not likely that he knew about Zunisha's sentence from the past. Right..?
Who knows. As it is, I can't say it was that well written. But if Jack had reasons to believe the giant elephant won't strike back or maybe accidentaly step over his fleet after he suddenly changes direction, I'd like to know too.
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Jack probably though that since it's a 1000 year old elephant, it will quickly fall and won't be able to make any sharp movements (like an old man, you'd think he'd be defenseless).
I really really doubt Apoo was a mole. He most likely just switched sides when he saw he has no chance of winning. Hawkins might have joined as well.
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Jack probably though that since it's a 1000 year old elephant, it will quickly fall and won't be able to make any sharp movements (like an old man, you'd think he'd be defenseless).
It's still stupid. You wouldn't hang around a giant old man who is still walking for the fear he might crush you by accident, much less shoot his leg. The elephant might do any number of things that would fuck them up in an instant. Walk over them, fall on the side, spray them with his trunk, shit on them…
Btw, not so sure it's Kid behind bars. Just noticed Hawkins was similarly dressed the last time we saw him. And from the scans avaliable I can't really discern the pattern on the trousers.
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Btw, not so sure it's Kid behind bars. Just noticed Hawkins was similarly dressed the last time we saw him. And from the scans avaliable I can't really discern the pattern on the trousers.
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There is a better scan somewhere in the past few pages, the pants look like uneven spots akin to Kid's pants and nothing like checkered (crisscross?) pattern of Hawkins
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There is a better scan somewhere in the past few pages, the pants look like uneven spots akin to Kid's pants and nothing like checkered (crisscross?) pattern of Hawkins
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/d/df/Basil_Hawkins_Full_Body_Post_Timeskip.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/53?cb=20131205081459 -vs-http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/4/40/Eustass_Kid_Full_Body_Post_Timeskip.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/73?cb=20131212052456
Galaxy posted it, I think. It's still not that clear.
The pants might be torn or smudged with blood or dirt. Or just under shadows.
Lol, it's almost like Oda purposely dressed them similarly to make us guess.
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I really really doubt Apoo was a mole. He most likely just switched sides when he saw he has no chance of winning. Hawkins might have joined as well.
Which leaves you with the choice of picking the lesser evil- being a mole, leading certain entities to their sure demise or a coward who'd leave his new comrades in the dust upon facing a greater force. He's certainly a pirate- a valid argument- but still a tad disappointing. For some reason I expected Apoo to have some sense of loyalty.
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Jack probably though that since it's a 1000 year old elephant, it will quickly fall and won't be able to make any sharp movements (like an old man, you'd think he'd be defenseless).
The problem with Oda is that sometimes for plot reasons he makes strong and experienced characters like Jack do stupid things. We know the new world is extremely dangerous and you can't trust anything or anyone, still strong people keep acting in a foolish way.