@DHL:
I'm here to be challenged and get different view points.
But yes. We haven't seen much at all bro.
It's weird to say that Doula outclassed Luffy in speed when we have Doula barely reacting against Luffy's Rhino kick.
Seriously, Doula was still looking at where Luffy previously was when Luffy simply appeared at his side. That's similar to when Kizaru lightspeed kicked Drake without any chance of reaction.
I take it this was when Oda came up with the idea for g4.
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It's weird to say that Doula outclassed Luffy in speed when we have Doula barely reacting against Luffy's Rhino kick.
Seriously, Doula was still looking at where Luffy previously was when Luffy simply appeared at his side. That's similar to when Kizaru lightspeed kicked Drake without any chance of reaction.
I agree.
But you know, the chapter is Gear fourth and plot attacks have to look good.
I think he was mesmerized by Luffy flying. Imagine this, "I thought my ability was special".
Luffy can move fast but doesn't have manoeuvrablility. As in he can blitz in from a side, but he can't move near as effectively as second. Otherwise second will be useless
If it is the case, it should be touched on. Then again I've only got one chapter. Not the fight.
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I am 140% sure that we will see different styles of Gear 4th.
Why he then called Gear 4 with a name, Bound Man.[qimg]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/do2xruOPGW0/hqdefault.jpg[/qimg]
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By the time Luffy reaches Kaido. He will be 100 beast Luffy.
The eagle, the hawk, the grizzly bear, the gorilla, maybe the lion and crocodile.
Posted this in the chapter thread too but,
The form may have been inspired by Eneru.
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v32/c298/5.html
The pose and body proportions are identical. Plus in universe this makes sense since Luffy recalled skypieans having mantra just before he started his training…so he'd likely recall eneru too.
Plus Sky Island callbacks this arc with bellamy.
No, both are references to the gods Fujin and Raijin.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3282/2299987143_d07708d59e.jpg
Note the shape of the smoke around Luffy.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150423113314/onepiece/images/a/a3/Gear_Fourth_Infobox.png
i love the look and concept, as well as the implementation of boundman. very creative.
strongly dislike the lion/crocodile/gorilla theory. gear 4 is gear 4. the boundman style is going to have the big torso. it's the essence of his devil fruit. he's not a gorilla.
Thinking process that lead to Gear 4:
"Dude, I wrote myself into the corner again. To solve this, I need a really clever twist or another super say… errr mode. Ok, super mode then. What shall it be? I already did heating up and inflation. What else can you do with rubber? Whatever, I will just slap something together from old stuff. "
I disagree. Luffy didn't necessarily need a new Gear in order to defeat Doflamingo. He has both power and speed. All he needed to do was think of how to hit Doflamingo with his Gear Third attacks and we were set. The thought process was more like…"Ohh the fandom thinks Zoro should be the captain because he's so strong and badass. Let's remind them that Luffy is the main character".
On another note. I like the idea of Luffy having different forms in Gear Fourth but can't help but wonder what exactly he will gain with each one. Only thing i can imagine is he looking differently with each mode but not sure what other abilities he would get.
Thinking process that lead to Gear 4:
"Dude, I wrote myself into the corner again. To solve this, I need a really clever twist or another super say… errr mode. Ok, super mode then. What shall it be? I already did heating up and inflation. What else can you do with rubber? Whatever, I will just slap something together from old stuff. "
That's dumb. If Oda wanted Luffy to win against Doula with a balloon sword, he would have done it.
It wouldn't be the first time Luffy simply overwhelmed a seemingly invincible foe without a super mode.
I disagree. Luffy didn't necessarily need a new Gear in order to defeat Doflamingo. He has both power and speed. All he needed to do was think of how to hit Doflamingo with his Gear Third attacks and we were set. The thought process was more like…"Ohh the fandom thinks Zoro should be the captain because he's so strong and badass. Let's remind them that Luffy is the main character".
On another note. I like the idea of Luffy having different forms in Gear Forth but can't help but wonder what exactly he will gain with each one. Only thing i can imagine is he looking differently with each mode but not sure what other abilities he would get.
So all he needed was this strategist
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So all he needed was this strategist
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Lol, i actually think Luffy is smarter than Dagama, and that's saying a lot. :ninja:
@DHL:
I agree.
But you know, the chapter is Gear fourth and plot attacks have to look good.
I think he was mesmerized by Luffy flying. Imagine this, "I thought my ability was special".
Luffy can move fast but doesn't have manoeuvrablility. As in he can blitz in from a side, but he can't move near as effectively as second. Otherwise second will be useless
If it is the case, it should be touched on. Then again I've only got one chapter. Not the fight.
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By the time Luffy reaches Kaido. He will be 100 beast Luffy.
The eagle, the hawk, the grizzly bear, the gorilla, maybe the lion and crocodile.
I'm pretty sure Luffy was using Gear 2 in conjunction with Gear 4 since he was steaming. Speed wise Luffy has been shown to be at least equal to Doflamingo and faster even when it comes to that dropkick you mentioned. I mean he blitzed the crap out of him, Luffy just couldn't hit hard enough in gear 2 or base to get through Doflamingo's insane durability.
Impressive, this thread still breathes…....
I'm pretty sure Luffy was using Gear 2 in conjunction with Gear 4 since he was steaming. Speed wise Luffy has been shown to be at least equal to Doflamingo and faster even when it comes to that dropkick you mentioned. I mean he blitzed the crap out of him, Luffy just couldn't hit hard enough in gear 2 or base to get through Doflamingo's insane durability.
Luffy still has the speed. But now Luffy does have the power.
IMO Doflamingo was a bit confused this entire chapter. They will be back to equal terms in the next chapter, i am sure of it.
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i love the look and concept, as well as the implementation of boundman. very creative.
strongly dislike the lion/crocodile/gorilla theory. gear 4 is gear 4. the boundman style is going to have the big torso. it's the essence of his devil fruit. he's not a gorilla.
It's not a bad idea, I don't particularly favour it, but it's definitely a possibility.
I guess after seeing the Gorilla in that chapter along with the crocodile and lion along with Luffy now using a King Kong attack, leads them to give the theory some ground.
The hole in this theory is that Luffy has already used a Python and Lion attack, and IMO that destroy the theory. It would have been plausible if it was for Luffy using King Kong named attacks only. Not to mention, Luffy would have mentioned "Gorilla man" not pound.
@DHL:
Luffy still has the speed. But now Luffy does have the power.
IMO Doflamingo was a bit confused this entire chapter. They will be back to equal terms in the next chapter, i am sure of it.
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It's not a bad idea, I don't particularly favour it, but it's definitely a possibility.
I guess after seeing the Gorilla in that chapter along with the crocodile and lion along with Luffy now using a King Kong attack, leads them to give the theory some ground.
The hole in this theory is that Luffy has already used a Python and Lion attack, and IMO that destroy the theory. It would have been plausible if it was for Luffy using King Kong named attacks only. Not to mention, Luffy would have mentioned "Gorilla man" not pound.
sure, it's possible, but it totally undermines what boundman is really about, and fans just instantly disregard the elements that make g4, g4 in favor of their overactive fannon theories. i've already seen it mentioned and talked about too many times and it hasn't even been a week yet. c'mon. the theory destroys itself because it ignores the physical characteristics that are clearly stated about g4 already.
luffy turning his legs into a crocodile tail with scales is pretty silly. what's the point of training your body into a new shape and form and then going from there. that's pointless to his human body training he's doing. and what would lion form even do? he makes his mouth big?
i'm sorry, it's not a good idea because it's not creative, and it makes up it's own rules while ignoring cannon we were just handed. it's not a theory it's just a weird, slow learner's imagination going wild.
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i'm sorry, it's not a good idea because it's not creative, and it makes up it's own rules while ignoring cannon we were just handed. it's not a theory it's just a weird, slow learner's imagination going wild.
Yeah, you pretty much explained why it'd be stupid.
I think Oda had Luffy say what his form was called as people wouldn't have really known what it was.
Luffy's doing some flying, some snake shots and whatnot. I think Oda just didn't want to tease and actually let people know what the ability is supposed to be.
Gear 2 - Speed man
Gear 3 - Big man
Gear 4 - Bounce man
Thinking process that lead to Gear 4:
"Dude, I wrote myself into the corner again. To solve this, I need a really clever twist or another super say… errr mode. Ok, super mode then. What shall it be? I already did heating up and inflation. What else can you do with rubber? Whatever, I will just slap something together from old stuff. "
wrote himself into a corner? what are you talking about? do you want to try and actually explain that? i don't care if you don't like it, but making up an accusation like that just because you don't like it is lazier than the person you are claiming to be lazy. i mean, what is asura? what are deathwinks? just because you want to dislike it doesn't mean you need to make things up and make that your opinion, that's really silly.
please tell us your more clever, not asspull improvement you'd have done? aren't all zoro's attacks some slapped together from swordy slashy stuff?
boundman is five entirely new elements to luffy's fighting style:
-huge musculature
-limb retraction/extension which eliminates the long open windups, with triple the damage, as doflamingo says
-inflation for defense and maximizing physical tanking as well as making the most use of his rubber body. in fact it looked like doflamingo did no damage at all to a weak spot on luffy with a full on hamstring/athlete kick which is no joke at all, and his shoe didnt come close to piercing.
-the haki seems to be an asura like spirit manifestation as well since we see it not only as haki but a kind of stylized manifestation to the form, and is an improvement upon summoning haki on and off for each attack
-flying
these are of course in a really loose and stuffy way, technically "slapped together from old stuff". but it's really not, and it's lame to try and pin that on g4.
@zeff:
I take it this was when Oda came up with the idea for g4.
G4 = Nightmare Luffy + https://media2.giphy.com/media/5owWa8UgVsYXm/200_s.gif
Gear 5 will be all about the Afro.
G4 = Nightmare Luffy + https://media2.giphy.com/media/5owWa8UgVsYXm/200_s.gif
Gear 5 will be all about the Afro.
Or SSJ3's hair cut? Or maybe even like SSJ4's design just a little more Hairy! XD
G4 = Nightmare Luffy + https://media2.giphy.com/media/5owWa8UgVsYXm/200_s.gif
Gear 5 will be all about the Afro.
More than Nightmare + Afro, G4 is Nightmare + Mitsu.
I believe the steam of Gear 4 and Gear 2 might be different.
Doflamingo might explain the steam to gear 4 just as Lucci explaind gear 2
@DHL:
Luffy hasn't been shown changing directions whilst in this gear. He's even having to bounce to go towards dofla. Once he can straighten himself towards his target. He can go for a leap towards the target.
But then again, we'll see as the next chapters come out.
just wanted to point out luffy zig zaggin this chapter
just wanted to point out luffy zig zaggin this chapter
Yes he was Good.
Guess its overall good. But I was right about Haki usage and how its draining :)
@DHL:
Yes he was Good.
Guess its overall good. But I was right about Haki usage and how its draining :)
didnt see that in your post but if you said it elsewhere it would make sense, else everyone would be haki'd up since the beginning of the fight so it had had to have some drawback to being overused.
didnt see that in your post but if you said it elsewhere it would make sense, else everyone would be haki'd up since the beginning of the fight so it had had to have some drawback to being overused.
I'll have to find it.. it was 2-3 weeks ago though.
But me and someone else had a discussion on full body Haki being used only in the final parts of a fight. Such as Vergo using it to finish Law and Pica to finish Zoro. Those were only used for the finish.
This hinted me that it would have to be draining, and that was our conclusion. As you've mentioned, everyone would be Haki'ing up, and it really does answer the questions of "why not full body CoA all the time?".
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Found it http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=42698&p=3460489&viewfull=1#post3460489
You can check out the conversation. This is my post and JABBERWORKS posts on how it would be draining :)
The drawback for Gear 4th will be old man Luffy. When he couldn't stop his bones from contracting he got smaller. This time when the air leaks out he's going to look like he's atrophied down to an old man. Foreshadowed by Lucy. "T-That old man beat Dolflamingo?!"
I just want to say that I would love to see Luffys Kong clashing with Kizarus serious series kick.
The end.
Oda is foreshadowing that Gear 5 will be a Giant Luffy 8 meters -at least- form (or one of the later transformations but 5 and 6 for sure). Remember those words.
Oda is foreshadowing that Gear 5 will be a Giant Luffy 8 meters -at least- form (or one of the later transformations but 5 and 6 for sure). Remember those words.
http://i998.mangapanda.com/one-piece/786/one-piece-5675837.jpg
The 'rumour' that Luffy is a Giant or at least 8 meters, is due to his Gear Third.
I don't think Geart 5 or any other variatons of the Gears will involve Luffy becoming bigger, apart from Gear Third.
The more you know, the less you want to talk…
The 'rumour' that Luffy is a Giant or at least 8 meters, is due to his Gear Third.
I don't think Geart 5 or any other variatons of the Gears will involve Luffy becoming bigger, apart from Gear Third.
he never becomes 8 meters tall in gear 3rd…. it's totally foreshdowing for what gear 5th will be or some other form
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If he became 8 meters tall, gear 3 is the best bet. Another gear would just overlap.
Currently, gear 4 seems to outclass the other 2, so if he's able to become a giant but not able to stretch and gain his drawback as chibi luffy again, that would bring gear 3 back up again Imo.
The 'rumour' that Luffy is a Giant or at least 8 meters, is due to his Gear Third.
I don't think Geart 5 or any other variatons of the Gears will involve Luffy becoming bigger, apart from Gear Third.
he never becomes 8 meters tall in gear 3rd…. it's totally foreshdowing for what gear 5th will be or some other form
I believe this is the source of the "8m tall Luffy" (mid panel, left, with marine comment on the right): http://bato.to/read/_/297836/one-piece-digital-colored-comics_v44_ch422_by_no-group/11
Better view of his size (unknown actual height, top and middle left panels): http://bato.to/read/_/297836/one-piece-digital-colored-comics_v44_ch422_by_no-group/8
H T C - Hoje Tive Cá
I'll just let it play out, but you two should understand oda foreshadowiong by now (and nowhere has gear 3rd ever been mentioned with 8 meters tall again)
but when gear 5 or some new form has him at 8 meters tall and they specifically say it, I want credits from you two…... and internet cookie pictures in a sign of good gesture
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I'll just let it play out, but you two should understand oda foreshadowiong by now (and nowhere has gear 3rd ever been mentioned with 8 meters tall again)
but when gear 5 or some new form has him at 8 meters tall and they specifically say it, I want credits from you two…... and internet cookie pictures in a sign of good gesture
Just because you believe that Luffy will turn 8 meters later on in story does not mean he will.
I guess that while we were speculation on Gear 4th many people brought back that line from random people talking about Luffy being 8 meters tall. Now we gotten Oda kind of poking fun at what we thought might have very well been foreshadowing.
I hope Gear Fifth has something to do with mechs. A stretch, I know, but eh.
Vulcanized rubber maaaaan. He's just a savage, and a big ol' violent panda tire. I just think that awakened fruits may just change the game for Gear Fifth.
Just because you believe that Luffy will turn 8 meters later on in story does not mean he will.
I guess that while we were speculation on Gear 4th many people brought back that line from random people talking about Luffy being 8 meters tall. Now we gotten Oda kind of poking fun at what we thought might have very well been foreshadowing.
But Oda is following a certain "logic" while using gears.
Gear 2 BLOOD
Gear 3 BONES
Gear 4 MUSCLES
Gear 5 SIZE and LONGER STRETCH?
Gear 6 SKIN/TEXTURE? (Vulcanization to fight Akainu)
Its very plausible that Luffy can become bigger than 4 meters. If u see, Gear 2 is in Gear 4 (while using punch at fast speed). Gear 4 is the way that Luffy found to use the speed of Gear 2 and the strengh of Gear 3. And Gear 5 will be a way to become more stronger with muscles and larger (Gear4) but with bigger size and a farder reach of the opponents.
But Oda is following a certain "logic" while using gears.
Gear 2 BLOOD
Gear 3 BONES
Gear 4 MUSCLES
Gear 5 SIZE and LONGER STRETCH?
Gear 6 SKIN/TEXTURE? (Vulcanization to fight Akainu)Its very plausible that Luffy can become bigger than 4 meters. If u see, Gear 2 is in Gear 4 (while using punch at fast speed). Gear 4 is the way that Luffy found to use the speed of Gear 2 and the strengh of Gear 3. And Gear 5 will be a way to become more stronger with muscles and larger (Gear4) but with bigger size and a farder reach of the opponents.
You just need good Haki.
@DHL:
You just need good Haki.
Haki has a limit. His change of texture not, it would be like a DOUBLE armament: one created by haki and another by your fruit. Luffy knows that, and he will try to find a way to maintain his body protected while Haki is "recharging"
Haki has a limit. His change of texture not, it would be like a DOUBLE armament: one created by haki and another by your fruit. Luffy knows that, and he will try to find a way to maintain his body protected while Haki is "recharging"
Haki doesn't need recharging unless one spams it like Luffy or full body CoA.
I wondered if as series progreses Luffy won't become good enough at haki to compress his stomach during Gear 4 state as well. However I guess not, since I don't see how it would give him more attacking power and would probably be an unnecesary waste of haki.
Another thing, before reveal of Gear 4 I've had in back of my mind possibility of Luffy becoming full giant, however now when I think about it it would still be the same Gear 3, just an more advanced way to use it.
As for Gear 5, I want to brainstorm some ideas if I can.
-using armament haki to shapeshift parts of his body since they're made of rubber and so should be able to allow deformations, such as transforming his fingers into swords, making him like Wolverine. However I don't see how it would be more powerful than Gear 4 so I guess not.
-using his rubber powers develop technique which allows him to build up and redirect energy through using vibrations. However so far his fighting style is based on using raw power, so I guess not.
-transforming himself into a living air pressure cannon. He already is way too good at filling up his limbs with air, so it should be well possible for him to find ways to perform Coup-De-Burst like techniques. However I guess not, since I don't see how it would be powerful enough to justify calling it as Gear 5.
@DHL:
You just need good Haki.
yeah I think of it kind of like the call of duty bloodscreen. It's good and will recharge unless you take too much damage, or in the case of Haki, you use too much of it. Or like any type of booster with a limit. Lots of games with concepts like that.
yeah I think of it kind of like the call of duty bloodscreen. It's good and will recharge unless you take too much damage, or in the case of Haki, you use too much of it. Or like any type of booster with a limit. Lots of games with concepts like that.
Sort of like when I play battlefield. My little bird helicopter for example has unlimited bullets in the 7.62 miniguns, if I burst fire it it will last forever, if I go full auto it won't last long and will sort of overheat and require a "cool down" time.
So Just To be sure king gun is a gear4 blow while king Kong gun is a gear3/gear4 hit right?
I also believe he did not mix Gears 3rd and 4th for that last attack.
Well, I think Oda wanna tell us that if King Kong Gun got more air from Luffy's bones, the fist would be even bigger than that, and just 1 punch could destroy even an island!!
Gigant King Kong Gun!!
Well, I think Oda wanna tell us that if King Kong Gun got more air from Luffy's bones, the fist would be even bigger than that, and just 1 punch could destroy even an island!!
Gigant King Kong Gun!!
"Zoro!"
"What"
"Stab my thumb here with Haki!"
"EHHHHHHHHH????"
"Hey Zoro, pull my finger."
As Ping reminded me earlier, Luffy blows air through his thumb for G3th, through his arm for G4th.
Then again, pre-TS, gear 2nd was activated by pumping his legs. After time-skip, he does it by just flinging his arm (or sometimes not even). I'm not sure that blowing his thumb is necessary anymore (it might be).
I'm not entirely sure Luffy can even reach his thumb in gear 4th; he reminds me of many power lifters who can't touch their backs anymore :P
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Well, I think Oda wanna tell us that if King Kong Gun got more air from Luffy's bones, the fist would be even bigger than that, and just 1 punch could destroy even an island!!
Gigant King Kong Gun!!
This is a good point. First, it PROBABLY would have had a gear 3rd prefix (gigant, or elephant…), but I guess that isn't necessary for it to be gear 3. On the other hand though, I'm not sure it got "balloon"-ish enough to be gear 3. It might just be because he uses haki to restrict the size, or it might be because he blew into muscle instead of bone, but either way it didn't look particularly poofy or balloonish like gear 3 usually looks.
