Official Dressrosa Thread
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@Galaxy:
thanks for the release!and wow,8 chapters!
@kouch_lee:This is the stuff. The translation is great, and the scans are cleaner and bigger than Stream's.
But wait a second. . .what's this? According to this translation: "The Happou navy from the Kano country. . .I'll have to remember them, you never know who might wind up as your enemy!"
Zoro doesn't discard the Happou Navy as future enemies?
i don't think zoro has any idea of their allegiance to luffy,or their plans.
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@Galaxy:
"Chief of Staff".
Chief of staff?
That's some Kong level shit.
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Fixed that for you.
Yea that's correct..
For whatever reason I was getting confused with commander-in-chief..
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I guess right-hand man and chief of staff could be the same thing?
Seeing as how Dressrosa progressed until now, Trebol does seem like his right hand. Gave him his powers and fought at Doffy's side against Luffy and Law. -
I guess right-hand man and chief of staff could be the same thing?
Seeing as how Dressrosa progressed until now, Trebol does seem like his right hand. Gave him his powers and fought at Doffy's side against Luffy and Law.Trébol seemed like the head honcho of the gang before Doffy appeared and they started the cult around him, and he's the older of the bunch. I think it's only natural that he's the second in command.
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@DHL:
Yea that's correct..
For whatever reason I was getting confused with commander-in-chief..
that should be Pica right ? i mean he has to be the strongest follower DD has an just under him is Vergo, i mean Dimante was pretty weak compared to what i thought, and Trebol was not that strong either…
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Is it normal that i cry evritaim i re-read the flashbacks of Baby 5 and Senor Pink? Because with Law and Doffy for example, i think their beackstories are just as great, and they moved me so much, but still no tears in sight. Maybe it's because Baby 5 and Senor were short and totally unpredictable? While Law was anticipated a lot, but even then what matters should be the content in the end, and Baby 5 with Senor really struck a chord in me. I wonder if i'm alone in this, or if maybe other people felt like this, i think that the casual readers of one piece really didn't care at all about the backstories outside Law (yes some of them even threw aside Doffy's one), and i can't but still be emotional remembering those flashbacks about side characters that suddenly moved me like few others.
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that should be Pica right ? i mean he has to be the strongest follower DD has an just under him is Vergo, i mean Dimante was pretty weak compared to what i thought, and Trebol was not that strong either…
TBH the "Top Executives" have had so many titles it's not even funny.
"Commander-in-chief" Is KONG in the WG. On top of Akainu,
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Just reading the latest chapter from Stephen, he specifically mentions that the top executives have no hierarchy but it wouldn't surprise me if Trebol was the top dog before Doflamingo came along. Despite that though you do have Law who explained that Vergo was Doflamingo's most valuable subordinate and been with Dofy the longest so there could be something there. Though seeing as Vergo has been away for a heck of a long time Trebol is probably the right hand man but probably doesn't mean much when it comes to the power between the 4 executives.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Yeeeesss!
BTW, looking for translators? You won't be using cnet's translations anymore?
I'm really glad we got the translation for the bottom left panel.
I think people were saying that the D's have a power of influence around them, and if you invade their "bubble" you're gonna get hurt.
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Vergo was Doflamingo's most valuable subordinate and been with Dofy the longest so there could be something there
There isn't anything there. As Trebol explained in chapter 782, the top executives all encountered Doflamingo at the same time. They all saw him use CoC so they accepted him as master. Vergo could only be considered the most valuable based on his occupation in the marines.
Trebol is probably the right hand man
Law confirmed this to be true.
Law: From where I’m standing, even you, acting for all the world as if you’re his right-hand man… / ...look like nothing more than another of Doflamingo’s brainless puppets...!!
probably doesn't mean much when it comes to the power between the 4 executives.
It doesn't. From an ability standpoint, Pica is the most powerful. The rest of the top executives never did anything particularly impressive. Vergo has the least impressive feats overall, looking back.
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There isn't anything there. As Trebol explained in chapter 782, the top executives all encountered Doflamingo at the same time. They all saw him use CoC so they accepted him as master. Vergo could only be considered the most valuable based on his occupation in the marines. Law confirmed this to be true. It doesn't. From an ability standpoint, Pica is the most powerful. The rest of the top executives never did anything particularly impressive. Vergo has the least impressive feats overall, looking back.
no way what did Dimante do? he was weak ! and Trebol was not nearly as strong as Vergo, that full body haki was OP look here Law>Pica=or close>Vergo>Smoker>Trebol>Lao G>Dimante …
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There isn't anything there. As Trebol explained in chapter 782, the top executives all encountered Doflamingo at the same time. They all saw him use CoC so they accepted him as master. Vergo could only be considered the most valuable based on his occupation in the marines. Law confirmed this to be true.
Vergo was called by Doflamingo "partner" and he was said to be Doflamingos friend for longest time.
Also on page with ages Vergo was put over all other executives along with Doflamingo.
Also given showing we gotten from Vergo he was by far the most impressive Seat when it comes to fighting.
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no way what did Dimante do? he was weak !
Losing against a superior foe in no way makes you weak. His Hangetsu Glaive was more impressive than anything Vergo did.
Trebol was not nearly as strong as Vergo,
Absolutely baseless.
that full body haki was OP
It's really not. As Zoro stated, all you have to do is have superior Haki in order to bypass it. It's possible for literally anyone to coat their entire body in Haki. This in not unique to Vergo. His Full Body CoA doesn't even have any durability feats to go off of since he was easily dispatched after using it.
look here Law>Pica=or close>Vergo>Smoker>Trebol>Lao G>Dimante
This is completely inaccurate for blatantly obvious reasons.
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Vergo was called by Doflamingo "partner"
Irrelevant.
he was said to be Doflamingos friend for longest time.
This is also irrelevant. It was proven 2 chapters ago that all the top executives met DD at the same time.
Also on page with ages Vergo was put over all other executives along with Doflamingo.
That's a gross misinterpretation. All of the executives were lined according to group. Vergo didn't have one.
Also given showing we gotten from Vergo he was by far the most impressive Seat when it comes to fighting.
That's laughable. All Vergo did was beat up fodder, someone who basically had several heart attacks during their scuffles, and people who weren't trying to defeat him. All of this presented a false intimidating presence. Law had a tougher time beating Smoker. Vergo was beaten with a literal flick of the wrist.
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Irrelevant. This is also irrelevant. It was proven 2 chapters ago that all the top executives met DD at the same time. That's a gross misinterpretation. All of the executives were lined according to group. Vergo didn't have one. That's laughable. All Vergo did was beat up fodder, someone who basically had several heart attacks during their scuffles, and people who weren't trying to defeat him. All of this presented a false intimidating presence. Law had a tougher time beating Smoker. Vergo was beaten with a literal flick of the wrist.
New guy with Saitama avatar writing that other persons thoughts are laughable while not providing any real arguments of value ignoring context of situations and simplyfying them to his liking.
Live long and prosper
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New guy with Saitama avatar writing that other persons thoughts are laughable while not providing any real arguments of value ignoring context of situations and simplyfying them to his liking.
Live long and prosperHe has a lot of good points though.
It was just shown how all seats met Doflamingo at the same time.
Which totally ridicules all the longest time friend comments.His interpretation of the chart also makes sense.
Especially when you consider that other member of the family are of vastly different "levels" when it comes to fighting and yet there is no real distinction among them like the one you mentioned for Vergo.Whether or not Vergo was impressive mostly depends on what you consider impressive.
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For me it was enough to see that Sanji gotten pushed back in one moment also getting rather seriously wounded (for leg fighter).
I know he was damaged and stuff but getting beaten up does not weaken your bones so they start to crack while blocking enemys kick.
Vergo also very clearly overpowered Smoker in their fight. Also was fast enough to soru his ass next to Law as fast as Laws room worked with teleporting heart.
And so on.To compare Pica gotten obliterated when it came to clash with Zoro who is Sanjis rival. Diamante gotten weak because of playing around with weaklings in Colosseum for last 10 years.
Trebol ended up being very killable idiot.Also I am getting paranoid again so I should get back to relaxing instead of getting into exchanges with some random new guys that sound awfuly alike somebody else.
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He has a lot of good points though.
Thank you my friend. I don't really see why there's a need for bias in this discussion. A lot my claims can be supported by the manga.
Whether or not Vergo was impressive mostly depends on what you consider impressive.
When I say impressive, I mean that Vergo has no significant feats.
For me, the only action which counts was coming out on top in his clash with Sanji.
And even then, Sanji was already injured and only used some of his most basic kicks. Vergo is one of the most overrated characters. @sabinis:
New guy with Saitama avatar writing that other persons thoughts are laughable while not providing any real argument
I think I've provided a pretty decent argument. Everything I've stated to support my stance on Vergo actually did occur, did they not? I also posted a direct quote from Law stating that Trebol was DD's right hand.
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Stuff.
You also have to remember that Doflamingo wanted to make Law his right hand man since moment he agreed to take him into the crew - he planned to give him Heart seat as he said in 10 years (since Law was kid) he see him as his right hand man.
Now heart seat is free and Vergo was on it as most valued subordinate.To me it means that heart seat was most valued.
Being chief of staff does not mean much more than fact that while Trebol holds some fighting powers he was previously a "boss" before Seats found Doflamingo.
He is most trusted out of seats on Dressrosa because he was source of belief in Doflamingos rise to power and also a reason why Doflamingo went so deep into "dark side".Also you take your claims as absolute, so this by itself shows its not much of discussion but rather showing on how hellbent and in love with your own perspective you seem to be.
Not taking into account plenty of things. Ignorance is a bliss when it comes to forum discussions for some people.
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I thought the reason we liked Vergo was because he wasn't a devil fruit user. He just trained his body. Those are good fighters.
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When I say impressive, I mean that Vergo has no significant feats.
The only thing you changed is "significant" from "impressive".
People will consider different things "significant" just like they consider different things "impressive" and not far from how they consider different things "obvious".And even then, Sanji was already injured and only used some of his most basic kicks.
Punk Hazard is pretty vague to me. What injury are talking about? He seemed fine in his fight with Vergo.
Vergo is one of the most overrated characters.
I definitely agree with this, although I would put Mansherry above him when it comes to overrating a character.
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@DHL:
I thought the reason we liked Vergo was because he wasn't a devil fruit user. He just trained his body. Those are good fighters.
This. At least for me, Vergo was strong simply because he was a monster without a Devil Fruit.
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he planned to give him Heart seat as he said in 10 years (since Law was kid) he see him as his right hand man.
This isn't correct. Doflamingo was grooming him to be his right hand. He didn't say anything about the heart seat. He only wanted him on the heart seat after he found out about Rosinante's betrayal and after he ate the Ope Ope no mi.
To me it means that heart seat was most valued.
I've already disproven this.
Also you take your claims as absolute, so this by itself shows its not much of discussion
Most of the claims I've made are absolute since they're based on canon information.
- All of the top execs encountered D. at the same moment.
- Law stated that Trebol was right hand.
- Pica does have better feats than Vergo.
- Vergo did beat up fodder, Vergo did beat up a severely weakened Law, He did fight 2 characters who weren't trying to defeat him, he was defeated in one attack from Law after he regained his heart.
Please explain how none of this occurred.
Why do you keep trying to deflect the subject?
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Oda and power level…
Baroque Works: the lower the rank, the stronger the officer. To the exception of Mr3 and Mr4.
Priests: they give away the chances of survival in their ordeals.
CP9: Douriki
Donquixote Family: 4 seats for 4 top executives
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The only thing you changed is "significant" from "impressive". People will consider different things "significant" just like they consider different things "impressive" and not far from how they consider different things "obvious".
Vergo lacked destructive feats, speed feats, and strength feats we already hadn't seen by that point in the series. He only displayed a decent amount of endurance.
Punk Hazard is pretty vague to me. What injury are talking about? He seemed fine in his fight with Vergo.
Ceaser wrecked his body pretty bad when Nami was in it. This was made note of 3 chapters before he fought Vergo.
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I liked Vergo simply because he was a badass until the end, unlike some top executives that were over hype.
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Vergo, Monet and now Trebol all seem to have "died." Most likely they have disappeared from the story, but my question is; do you guys think we will see a cover story involving the Don Quixote family that centers around those three meeting up again? Just a thought I had a moment ago.
Hoping for a cover story involving Sai and Baby 5's wedding…with the Colosseum fighters as the groomsmen and the Donquixote pirates as the bridesmaids
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Vergo lacked destructive feats, speed feats, and strength feats we already hadn't seen by that point in the series. He only displayed a decent amount of endurance.
Destructive feat - He broke Sanji's leg. Or at least cracked it to the degree where Sanji was worried about the fight dragging on:
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v69/c682/5.htmlSpeed Feats - Are we really question this? He is a soru user. nuf said.
Strength feat - I don't see what's the difference between it and Destructive feat.
I don't understand what's the point of already seeing things beforehand. Admirals in Marineford pretty much outclass everyone in that regard.
Doesn't make them any less impressive.Ceaser wrecked his body pretty bad when Nami was in it. This was made note of 3 chapters before he fought Vergo.
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Explosions don't do any damage in One Piece.
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Sanji said he was hurt. But in the fight, he showed no sign of weakness. He didn't say anything along the lines of "I am not in good shape". He didn't cough blood or anything during the fight. He just fought and lost (at least the small skirmish).
Oda usually makes it clear when a character is fighting with injuries or handicaps. e.g., Whitebeard at Marineford, Luffy vs Lucci, most fights of pre-timeskip Zoro, etc.
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There isn't anything there. As Trebol explained in chapter 782, the top executives all encountered Doflamingo at the same time. They all saw him use CoC so they accepted him as master. Vergo could only be considered the most valuable based on his occupation in the marines. Law confirmed this to be true. It doesn't. From an ability standpoint, Pica is the most powerful. The rest of the top executives never did anything particularly impressive. Vergo has the least impressive feats overall, looking back.
He has a lot of good points though.
It was just shown how all seats met Doflamingo at the same time.
Which totally ridicules all the longest time friend comments.Sorry but nope. Vergo was with Doflamingo the longest. Chapter 694, just before Vergo's "death" by explosion.
Doffy: "Sorry partner… I know you've been with me the longest."
Vergo: "..."
Doffy: "Thanks for everything you've done to this day."in Chapter 782, what Trebol is referring to is that the 4 of them found out about Doflmaingo's CoC Haki so they took him in and decided they would follow him. They are absolutely NOT talking about when they found/actually met Doflamingo, both Cnet and Stephen's translation confirm this.
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Trebol: …Out of my way, Dofi!! I need to teach this brat a lesson...!!! / Listen up, Law...!! Dofi is always the absolute “King” of this land!!! However... // Between him and us, the current Chief Officers... // That rank holds no meaning!!! Because...!! // Thirty years ago, when his immeasurable “talent” first fell into this world from on high!!! / It was the four of us who took him in…!! Gave him strength!!! Raised him to be a superstar of evil!!!Stephen Paul(official translator of the English One Piece and the go to guy for all translations for One Piece before One Piece even existed.)
Trebol: "Because one, day thirty years ago, the four us stumbled upon his limitless potential from heaven. And we gave him power! We raised him up and turned him into the champion of evil he is today!"Now then Trebol, Pica and Diamente could have met him that same day, but that isn't what Trebol was discussing and again Doflamingo made it absolutely clear that Vergo was with him the longest. No debate about it.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@DHL:
I thought the reason we liked Vergo was because he wasn't a devil fruit user. He just trained his body. Those are good fighters.
For your information Vergo does a Devil Fruit
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Sorry but nope. Vergo was with Doflamingo the longest. Chapter 694, just before Vergo's "death" by explosion.
Doffy: "Sorry partner… I know you've been with me the longest."
Vergo: "..."
Doffy: "Thanks for everything you've done to this day."A question.
If two or more people tie for first position, while there are still plenty on lower positions, Do we stop calling the individual winners as the best?in Chapter 782, what Trebol is referring to is that the 4 of them found out about Doflmaingo's CoC Haki so they took him in and decided they would follow him. They are absolutely NOT talking about when they found/actually met Doflamingo, both Cnet and Stephen's translation confirm this.
You have a point. It didn't explicitly mention that they found Doflamingo at that exact time.
But they only followed him because of his CoC.
If they had found him earlier, why were they following him till then?Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
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A question.
If two or more people tie for first position, while there are still plenty on lower positions, Do we stop calling the individual winners as the best?You have a point. It didn't explicitly mention that they found Doflamingo at that exact time.
But they only followed him because of his CoC.
If they had found him earlier, why were they following him till then?I see your point. As for the second question, beats me!
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Once this arc is over and the volumes are out, translated and sitting neatly inside my shelf, I'd like to reread this arc and try to figure out exactly where things started to get disappointing and how I'd like to see it done differently. The entire buildup part of the arc was pretty good in my eyes. Everything from their arrival, to and including Usopp's fight vs Sugar, I remember as enjoyable. A few bad parts here and there, but nothing major. The chapter where all hell broke loose was good but after that it seemed to go downhill. The crux is I'm pretty sure I remember the post-sugar chapters as longer than they probably are, so that'll be interesting.
It's also interesting to compare the late-fighting with the similar stages in other arcs. I need to re-read this series…
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@Zar:
Once this arc is over and the volumes are out, translated and sitting neatly inside my shelf, I'd like to reread this arc and try to figure out exactly where things started to get disappointing and how I'd like to see it done differently. The entire buildup part of the arc was pretty good in my eyes. Everything from their arrival, to and including Usopp's fight vs Sugar, I remember as enjoyable. A few bad parts here and there, but nothing major. The chapter where all hell broke loose was good but after that it seemed to go downhill. The crux is I'm pretty sure I remember the post-sugar chapters as longer than they probably are, so that'll be interesting.
It's also interesting to compare the late-fighting with the similar stages in other arcs. I need to re-read this series…
It was the colosseum part, it introduced so many characters that for me were not necessary.
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For your information Vergo does a Devil Fruit
Does this mean he mated with a DF?
DAMN
Vergo unleashed his bamboo
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Destructive feat - He broke Sanji's leg. Or at least cracked it to the degree where Sanji was worried about the fight dragging on
That's not a destructive feat.
Speed Feats - Are we really question this? He is a soru user.
Being a Soru user is not indicative of great speed when compared to certain characters.
Strength feat - I don't see what's the difference between it and Destructive feat.
Zoro lifting the upper half of Pica's stone golem hundreds of meters into the air.
Explosions don't do any damage in One Piece.
Nice logical fallacy.
But in the fight, he showed no sign of weakness. He didn't say anything along the lines of "I am not in good shape". He didn't cough blood or anything during the fight. He just fought and lost
Because if you don't cough up blood you're not hurt. We know that he was injured for a fact. Don't attempt to argue otherwise. He never lost anything. The fight was inconclusive.
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in Chapter 782, what Trebol is referring to is that the 4 of them found out about Doflmaingo's CoC Haki so they took him in and decided they would follow him. They are absolutely NOT talking about when they found/actually met Doflamingo, both Cnet and Stephen's translation confirm this.
Doflamingo had no time to meet Vergo before this incident. Before they were hung from the wall, we know that It was just Homing, his wife, and his children. Their house was burned down. They went on the run. This happened constantly. We were never shown D. meeting the executives before and as I said earlier, there was no time for it. You're also assuming this this "I've known you the longest" line doesn't extend to Pica, Trebol, and Diamante.
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Well consider Vergo was the one to bring him to Trebol, he is the one who have known them the longest. I suppose thanks to them meeting first and growing up together(same age) Dofla share a stronger bond with him than with the rest.
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For your information Vergo does a Devil Fruit
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I dont want to go through hell but… I will write that I do think he has something like alloy devil fruit though I can be wrong of course. For a number of reasons that I dont want to list so I leave it as bold statement.
Given that all other seats had it almost certainly from Trebol - who looked like black market devil fruit dealer in flashback - Trebol gave fruit even to Doflamingo and all seats beside Vergo? Would be bit weird imo.Well consider Vergo was the one to bring him to Trebol, he is the one who have known them the longest. I suppose thanks to them meeting first and growing up together(same age) Dofla share a stronger bond with him than with the rest.
I do agree.
It was most likely Vergo who found Doflamingo after CQC blast from Doffy(the one that saved him, Rosi and their father from dying to those villagers).
Trebol was Vergos boss at that time but Vergo was closest Doflamingo had to brother figure given same age and fact that their meet first.
But Doflamingo given Rosinante a chance putting Vergo on heart seat and sending Vergo on mission to marines, because Rosi ended up as spy Vergo gotten so furious at him not respecting chance and trust Doffy gave Rosi and he almost beaten him to death for it. -
Some people seems to think that Doffy is going to get capture by the Marines at the end of this ark but I feel that the CP0 guys are going to or at least try to assassinate him before he's capture.
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Warriors supporting luffy are Orlumbus admiral of the yonta maria fleet, happo navy leaders:Don Sai, Boo, Chinjao, bartolomeo pirate club, cavendish beautiful pirates. Harujin, who does'nt seem to be part of any group, Abdullah and Jeet, suliman, the long leg guy and Ideo, so if these guys were to form the core of luffy's allies, i wonder if the groupless warriors would join barto's club or form their own. How did they come to dressorosa anyhow? Do they do it like mihawk? Solo? Or do they all have their own crews, or mabe there is some public transportation for them?
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That's not a destructive feat.
What kind of feat it is then?
He have a real injury to a member of the Monster Trio. Who himself seemed to accept Vergo's dominance in the page I mentioned.
That's an impressive feat to me. And something none of the other Seats have been able to accomplish.Being a Soru user is not indicative of great speed when compared to certain characters.
Again, neither Diamante nor Pica have shown any such abilities.
While trebol did sow some early signs of speed. He suddenly forgot all his abilities in actual battle.
Vergo is the only person who actually showed some real speed in a serious Battle.Zoro lifting the upper half of Pica's stone golem hundreds of meters into the air.
Agreed. He has shown no such feats.
Nice logical fallacy.
Not sure if this is sarcasm. Anyways, you are assuming One Piece characters to be living in an actual world with their own consciousness, when they are just characters written by an Author.
The Author has some established patterns. Explosions not doing any lasting damage is just one of them.Because if you don't cough up blood you're not hurt.
We know that he was injured for a fact. Don't attempt to argue otherwise.Again, pattern patterns patterns. If it was real world, then yes, saying you are injured would have been enough.
But Oda draws this Manga with the typical 15 year old boy in mind. He gives visual hints to almost everything.
I already mentioned a lot of fights where this was the case.
Whitebeard had already been known to be sick. Why didn't he just fight without coughing blood every now and then?
Why did Zoro fall unconscious during his fight with Hachi when we already knew he was damaged by Mihawk?
Can you show me an example where a character's performance was hampered by being injured and he didn't show visual signs of it?He never lost anything. The fight was inconclusive.
My words were poorly chosen if I implied he lost. He was just trying to save Tashigi which he did.
What I wanted to say was that Vergo came out on top during the small skirmish they had.
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Sanji was indeed injured. He commented on it after getting his body back but that damage wouldn't hinder him by weakening his legs, his mainstay, his trained weapon since a kid. So, to fracture sanji's leg is indeed a destructive feat.
Zoro also didn't lift picas upper body, he sliced it, it raising up is an artistic style, similar to the slash and slide.
To finish, as stated above, Doffy was brought to trebol by vergo after COC was displayed. Trebol was told of it, he didn't see it himself.
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It was the colosseum part, it introduced so many characters that for me were not necessary.
Oda should have just done a separate ark for that.An arc where the tournament isn't interrupted by Sabo, at least.
Considering how hyped the flare fruit was for this arc, it's a shame seeing how that plotline was resolved. Instead of playing a pivotal role with the key-characters of the arc, or hyping up one of the main villains of the entire series, it's pretty much been sidelined and eaten by the one person I didn't want to get it.
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Losing against a superior foe in no way makes you weak. His Hangetsu Glaive was more impressive than anything Vergo did. Absolutely baseless. It's really not. As Zoro stated, all you have to do is have superior Haki in order to bypass it. It's possible for literally anyone to coat their entire body in Haki. This in not unique to Vergo. His Full Body CoA doesn't even have any durability feats to go off of since he was easily dispatched after using it. This is completely inaccurate for blatantly obvious reasons.
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Irrelevant. This is also irrelevant. It was proven 2 chapters ago that all the top executives met DD at the same time. That's a gross misinterpretation. All of the executives were lined according to group. Vergo didn't have one. That's laughable. All Vergo did was beat up fodder, someone who basically had several heart attacks during their scuffles, and people who weren't trying to defeat him. All of this presented a false intimidating presence. Law had a tougher time beating Smoker. Vergo was beaten with a literal flick of the wrist.
it's not baseless mate, Vergo beat Smoker, and he had a good brawl with Law, and his CoA was impressive, we have not seen anyone make their whole body with CoA besides him, Doffy even stated that he was unique and that Law did not have a chance… Pica had no chance against zoo when he didn't use his DF his khaki was not that strong, Diamantes attack was ok but i would say he lost to a opponent which in my eyes is not that strong ... Lao G had a really impressive attack and hold his own against an opponent luffy had a hard time with thats my reason.
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it's not baseless mate, Vergo beat Smoker, and he had a good brawl with Law, and his CoA was impressive, we have not seen anyone make their whole body with CoA besides him, Doffy even stated that he was unique and that Law did not have a chance… Pica had no chance against zoo when he didn't use his DF his khaki was not that strong, Diamantes attack was ok but i would say he lost to a opponent which in my eyes is not that strong … Lao G had a really impressive attack and hold his own against an opponent luffy had a hard time with thats my reason.
You call Vergo having good haki because he goes fullbody. Then you call Pica's haki to be weak even when he did the same?
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
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You call Vergo having good haki because he goes fullbody. Then you call Pica's haki to be weak even when he did the same?
To be fair though, Vergo had previous Haki feats during his fight with Smoker. Whereas literally the first time Pica used Haki was when he was taken out by Zoro. While I feel the intent by Oda was to put the two on a similar pedestal- especially considering neither of the other two seats used fullbody Haki- Vergo had a far better showing of skill.
Speaking ot Trebol and Diamanté, did either of them use Haki at any point?
