Maybe "Gift from Kaido" ;)
Chapter 780: "The Heart's Curse"
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Maybe "Gift from Kaido" ;)
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Watch tonight's chapter be titled "The death of Trafalgar D. Water Law" and everyone goes crazy.
Half of forum would be happy and other half would be quite sad I imagine.
I still do think that its Oda making us ready for some major death(s) in future conflict with Kaido.
Law is nr 1 candidate to die against Kaido- from wounds or during fight so in last moment he can give immortality to somebody.Also as they say with 3rd time comes the charm - so 3rd death scene for Law would be certain death and after 2 cliffhangers with his death being closer and closer, 3rd one would be certain.
Compared to first time when Law was almost killed by Doflamingo, this time it feels far more close to actually happening than previously.
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Does anyone have an idea about the engraving on Doflamingo's flintlock?
http://i.imgur.com/oYJTFQ5.pngThe engraving probably says something along the lines of "Hi Dad!"
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Half of forum would be happy and other half would be quite sad I imagine.
I would be ecstatic.
Not because I particulary want Law to die, but because it would make the entire thing feel a lot less cheap.
I still do think that its Oda making us ready for some major death(s) in future conflict with Kaido.
You do…? On what basis, if I may ask?
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Does anyone have an idea about the engraving on Doflamingo's flintlock?
http://i.imgur.com/oYJTFQ5.png"Donkey Shot"
It's written with the kanji for "thug" and "life".
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Watch tonight's chapter be titled "The death of Trafalgar D. Water Law" and everyone goes crazy.
The chapter is more likely to be named "The death of D. Doflamingo" and since mangapanda would be behind tonight's chapter, would sound more like: " The death of Lolfalmingo/Doula Mongo/ Dos Amigos".
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May be late in saying this but….herpdat, Franky Tank, amazing posts you guys. Admittedly I've been losing enthusiasm for this whole arc, but viewing Law and Doflamingo's pasts, connections, and developments....makes you look at things in a different light.
(flashback with Corazon is still probably my favorite part of this whole arc)
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My prediction would be that the last panel with "listen Luffy" its gonna be a mini FB of Law revealing Luffy the best way to fight or beat Doula, and probably the guy who scared Koala is gonna show up where all the action is, either way Hakuvendish or Burguess shit's gonna get serious.
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May be late in saying this but….herpdat, Franky Tank, amazing posts you guys. Admittedly I've been losing enthusiasm for this whole arc, but viewing Law and Doflamingo's pasts, connections, and developments….makes you look at things in a different light.
(flashback with Corazon is still probably my favorite part of this whole arc)
Or in some cases such as me, making me even more annoyed.
See, there is this great backstory and connection, and all that… and then Law get's offed for what I'm going to guess will be exact amount of time to allow Luffy do his main protagonist shtick.
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You do…? On what basis, if I may ask?
If it will take more than 2 posts then you might not
Simply because Oda cannot start killing of main cast before some things are set and done.
If we will see character dying it should be againts biggest threats that there can be - for example Yonko.
Death against Doflamingo would be Doflamingos personal win in a way. Oda wont give it to him.With Kaido there is no relation like with Doflamingo. Also Kaido is very well known for killing entire Morias crew and it was made that Doflamingo would get wiped out if he would go against Kaido in battle. Kaido is a man that cannot be reasoned with and had intention of going against Whitebeard moments before Marineford.
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See, there is this great backstory and connection, and all that… and then Law get's offed for what I'm going to guess will be exact amount of time to allow Luffy do his main protagonist shtick.
Wouldn't that be analogous to the reader learning of Drum and Chopper's plight in the middle of Luffy punching Wapol, Luffy going to beat up Arlong despite him not knowing the story of Nami and Bellemere, or the grand story of Norland and Calgara occuring while Luffy is about to ring the golden bell?
It certainly strengths the plot thread to tie it to the main character, but it doesn't have to be.
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Wouldn't that be analogous to the reader learning of Drum and Chopper's plight in the middle of Luffy punching Wapol, Luffy going to beat up Arlong despite him not knowing the story of Nami and Bellemere, or the grand story of Norland and Calgara occuring while Luffy is about to ring the golden bell?
It certainly strengths the plot thread to tie it to the main character, but it doesn't have to be.
The story of Norland and Calgara however was not the only motivation Luffy had against Enel.
And in Nami's and Chopper's case, it can be argued that neither had any chance against their respective oppressors.
Law though? Law should be fully capable of taking Doflamingo down.
Also, having the same act played out AGAIN is getting tiring, honestly.
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Simply because Oda cannot start killing of main cast before some things are set and done.
If we will see character dying it should be againts biggest threats that there can be - for example Yonko.
Death against Doflamingo would be Doflamingos personal win in a way. Oda wont give it to him.With Kaido there is no relation like with Doflamingo. Also Kaido is very well known for killing entire Morias crew and it was made that Doflamingo would get wiped out if he would go against Kaido in battle. Kaido is a man that cannot be reasoned with and had intention of going against Whitebeard moments before Marineford.
No deaths against overwhelming enemy like Kaido is pretty much impossible in my opinion if we are that close to some characters dying against Doflamingo.And you are honestly saying that Oda cannot circumvent that?
I fully expect there to be no deaths. Or, as in Doffy's case, only in flashbacks.
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Law get's offed for what I'm going to guess will be exact amount of time to allow Luffy do his main protagonist shtick.
Yup. The story, though, has gone out of its way to highlight both Law's error in seeking revenge and his placement of faith in Luffy to justify the "offing" of Law.
In my earlier post, I thoroughly explained how Luffy is at this stage the physical manifestation of Law's will to divorce himself from everything Doflamingo represents (cruelty, inhumanity, etc.). Law's pursuit of revenge is a disservice to Corazon's wishes for him; all Corazon wanted was for Law to live long and free from bad influences like Doflamingo. Yet, Law has had nothing on his mind but Doflamingo for the last 13 years.
At the same time, Law still very much wishes to take Doflamingo out of his life once and for all. Law wants to humanize himself, but he can't let go of his vendetta. In super cheesy terms: he wants to move on, but he's giving in to the hate. By not being able to let go of his vendetta, he's only proving that he's just as spiteful and violent as Doflamingo.
So it makes sense that in this great internal struggle, he trusts Luffy to finish Doflamingo off if he can't do it himself (which at this point is evident). By having Luffy beat Doflamingo, Law manages to put an end to Doflamingo without soiling his own hands in vengeful pursuits.
This is the overall message of Dressrosa and it's beyond cheesy: Humans should act human (not kill/hurt/etc. each other). We already saw the conclusion to the other plot thread that treated this message. Just like Law, Kyros wants to pursue revenge for Scarlett's death. Unlike Law, though, Kyros has placed his humanity in Rebecca. And so by having Rebecca not soil her hands in vengeful pursuits, Kyros manages to put Diamante down.
Although the message of the past hundred chapters may be really cheesy, it's still a well-told story. :)
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I really think it's not well told at all… I find the inherent hipocrisy of pacifists motives of Dressrosa to be IMMENSLY annoying, and only the fact that I need to get to sleep earlier today is stopping me from a massive rant.
Well, chapter should be up by the time I wake up, let's see if Oda manages to provide something I will enjoy.
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The story of Norland and Calgara however was not the only motivation Luffy had against Enel.
But Luffy didn't even know of Calgara, barely any details on Norland either. The story wasn't told to him specificially, just flashed to the reader.
And in Nami's and Chopper's case, it can be argued that neither had any chance against their respective oppressors.
If I'm understanding this correctly, the reason for making Luffy fight Arlong and Wapol was because Nami and Chopper physically couldn't do it? Couldn't you apply that to Morgan (Zoro was tied up and starving), Kuro (Usopp was wounded), Krieg (Sanji was wounded, cooks were in the water, Gin was poisoned), Lucci (Robin was handcuffed)…..
But this kinda falls apart with Crocodile. Being a logia, there was no physical way Vivi could beat him and save her country, but neither could the hakiless Luffy.
So it's not an issue of our rubber main being that much more capable, but because he has a personal reason and wants to help. You don't explain the situation, he catches the basic drift and does it to help out an ally or friend.
Law though? Law should be fully capable of taking Doflamingo down.
Now this isn't entirely false, but debatable. We've seen that even with the wonders of the Ope Ope, Law is not invincible. I do think that while having many reasons to hate Doflamingo (Caesar and abusing his mooks, stealing his brother's fruit, Bellamy's abuse, etc.), maybe Luffy isn't as intense or "into" the situation as previous cases?
EDIT: well wait, heredat did make some solid points on Luffy's struggle against Doflamingo.
Also, having the same act played out AGAIN is getting tiring, honestly.
I can see why that would be, to be fair.
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And you are honestly saying that Oda cannot circumvent that?
I fully expect there to be no deaths. Or, as in Doffy's case, only in flashbacks.
I hope and its almost certain in my opinion that we will get some death(s) of named character(s). It would change how series feels in its last part.
Luffy is risking his own life and - what is crucial in New World with its fight against Kaido- his friends lives now.If some named person from outside of crew dies then even with Luffys "piratekingplotarmor" some of Strawhats could be seen as touched by danger of dying. I mean that if some person that is not as crucial(to One Piece world) as Ace or Whitebeard dies then Strawhats are also in danger.
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Well, if anything, the story of Punk Hazard and Dressrosa has been thematically consistent. I do think that given the insane pacifism of the Riku family, Dressrosa is beyond lucky that the Straw Hats just happened to arrive and confront Doflamingo for them. I think, though, that this is another case of the interesting, albeit unrealistic, aura of luck that Oda has placed around Luffy as a character, starting all the way back in Loguetown. In some ways, Luffy comes off as the fated savior of the One Piece world. This is a problem when trying to suspend disbelief in the plausibility of certain events in the story, but what One Piece has always been and continues to be is thematically consistent; it excels at putting across its messages to the reader.
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If it will take more than 2 posts then you might not
Simply because Oda cannot start killing of main cast before some things are set and done.
If we will see character dying it should be againts biggest threats that there can be - for example Yonko.
Death against Doflamingo would be Doflamingos personal win in a way. Oda wont give it to him.That's exactly how I feel about Jimbei. I think Oda is hyping him up for the crew so much that he's going to pull a big twist and have him die in the conflict with Big Mom. I can see him messing with readers like that.
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That's exactly how I feel about Jimbei. I think Oda is hyping him up for the crew so much that he's going to pull a big twist and have him die in the conflict with Big Mom. I can see him messing with readers like that.
I agree completely. It strikes me as odd to have Jimbei say he'll join the crew, but can't until he deals with big mom, which is what the crew is going to do anyway (Luffy declared war on her back on FI), just to have them show up simultaneously to do what could have been done together to begin with. I think he'll be killed.
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I agree completely. It strikes me as odd to have Jimbei say he'll join the crew, but can't until he deals with big mom, which is what the crew is going to do anyway (Luffy declared war on her back on FI), just to have them show up simultaneously to do what could have been done together to begin with. I think he'll be killed.
Really doubt that. Characters won't start dying left and right just because Oda is teasing us with Law now.
And I don't see Luffy being the one who takes down both Big Mom and Kaido. Should be either or. And right now, the fight with Kaido seems a lot more likely, all things considered.
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Or Oda just wanted to keep Jimbei out of Dressrosa. Wait til Kaidous time when there are actual strong secondary villains for the monster trio and Jimbei. Now hed just be another strong guy without a proper foe.
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Jinbe is not going to die.
It would serve no purpose in developing Luffy (or anybody, for that matter) and make his timeskip training to protect his friends meaningless. The recent 10th member hint on the cover story has pretty much confirmed that he will be the 10th member anyways.
The only person close to Luffy that will probably die is Shanks, and that's by the hands of Blackbeard.
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Or Oda just wanted to keep Jimbei out of Dressrosa. Wait til Kaidous time when there are actual strong secondary villains for the monster trio and Jimbei. Now hed just be another strong guy without a proper foe.
Just like Zoro right? lol sorry I had to
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Eh, I could see Jinbe dying. He became something of a guardian/mentor to Luffy during Marineford, which is never a good sign. More importantly, Jinbe's presumed dream of peaceful fishman and human relations is distinct from the Strawhats in that it doesn't personally involve him. Most of the Strawhats' ambitions are focused on their own personal accomplishments with the exception of maybe Franky and Robin, who have both established that they're the only ones capable of facilitating their respective goals. Jinbe's will could easily be carried on by another.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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What's with all the inertia.
Oda can make whoever he wants to progress, and become as strong as he wants.
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Eh, I could see Jinbe dying. He became something of a guardian/mentor to Luffy during Marineford, which is never a good sign
This was remedied on Fishman Island where they were pretty much displayed as equal friends, and not as one person having a guardian role over the other.
More importantly, Jinbe's presumed dream of peaceful fishman and human relations is distinct from the Strawhats in that it doesn't personally involve him.
I'm sure his dream is a bit more complicated than that, but even then, it'll relate to it.
Jinbe personally wants Fishmen and Humans to be equal and happy with one another.
Most of the Strawhats' ambitions are focused on their own personal accomplishments with the exception of maybe Franky and Robin, who have both established that they're the only ones capable of facilitating their respective goals. Jinbe's will could easily be carried on by another.
Why should it be passed on to someone else when Oda has portrayed it as something Jinbe wants?
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Jinbe won't die.
The reason he's not a member of the crew yet is thematic.
Jinbe is a Shichibukai & Doflamingo is the last of the original Shichibukai that Luffy has not encountered. At the moment Luffy is the underdog and Oda wants him to face him very much from that position. When he beats Dofla it's going to be very much his own battle because how much of an underdog can he be if he has a former-Warlord serving as a member of his crew? It's not a matter of what we as the audience know, but one of perception.After Dressrosa is done and dusted and Luffy starts going after the next rank up from the Shichibukai, the Yonkou, then it's all right for him to have such a powerful underling because that won't affect perception of him as the underdog going after a larger target.
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Only Luffy's bothers mera mera users are proven to die 100%, Sabo's fate it's decided already.
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@Galaxy:
This was remedied on Fishman Island where they were pretty much displayed as equal friends, and not as one person having a guardian role over the other.
I'm sure his dream is a bit more complicated than that, but even then, it'll relate to it.
Jinbe personally wants Fishmen and Humans to be equal and happy with one another.
Why should it be passed on to someone else when Oda has portrayed it as something Jinbe wants?
Yeah, Fishman Island certainly helped remedy that situation but I still feel some remaining effects of it. Might just be because I've never been a huge fan of Jinbe.
His dream could certainly be more specific and tangential to the idea of fishman-human equality, but as is there's nothing specifically related to him. Jinbe would be perfectly happy if someone else was the catalyst for change and he just happened to be a spectator but none of the Strawhats are like that. I see Jinbe more interested in equality happening rather than himself being the one to bring it about, which is why his will could most easily be inherited by someone else.
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I had the feeling that Jimbe was going to die. But then I thought about it and it just doesn't make much sense. Except that he's really old, there's nothing to substantiate a claim that Jimbe is heading towards his doom. I would think Jimbe is going to survive the duration of the story.
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What purpose would Jinbe's death serve?
PLus there's Robby's favorite point: we haven't actually gotten Jinbe's flashback.
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I do think his dealings wih BM will get somewhat complicated, though.
Maybe she won't take his departure too kindly. Or he'll get caught in the middle of Kid and others attacking her.
I'd be happiest if he just appointed a new captain of Sun Pirates and went back to SH.
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My Favourite part of the week.
Pay day AND a One Piece chapter..
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@Cyan:
What purpose would Jinbe's death serve?
PLus there's Robby's favorite point: we haven't actually gotten Jinbe's flashback.
Not sure there's whole lot more to see. I think what we've seen on FI covers some of the most important moments of his life.
Sure, I'd love to see more stuff, like who taught him how to fight and stuff with Whitebeard, but I think Fisher Tiger was a key person is Jinbe's life.
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"Wahoo!" —Klonoa
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Not sure there's whole lot more to see. I think what we've seen on FI covers some of the most important moments of his life.
His entire childhood is still a mystery, and we still have no idea how he got his scar.
There's definitely more that's going to expand on his dream and make it more personal. The Fishman Island flashback was more about the Sun Pirates and Otohime, instead of Jinbe.
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Also don't forget CN is doing a Thursday night of premiere episodes of Steven Universe, Uncle Grandpa, Teen Titans GO!, and, Regular Show.
Depending if you like American cartoons, that is? lol
Most people here don't like Uncle Grandpa and Teen Titans for some reason.
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Most people here don't like Uncle Grandpa and Teen Titans for some reason.
Teen Titans Go! is actually funny.
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@Galaxy:
His entire childhood is still a mystery, and we still have no idea how he got his scar.
There's definitely more that's going to expand on his dream and make it more personal. The Fishman Island flashback was more about the Sun Pirates and Otohime, instead of Jinbe.
Now I'm not saying he is going to die, but his flashback can just be shown before he dies. Heck, maybe afterwards like Ace's was. That has no bearing whether he's going to die or not.
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Now I'm not saying he is going to die, but his flashback can just be shown before he dies. Heck, maybe afterwards like Ace's was. That has no bearing whether he's going to die or not.
The key difference is Ace was never foreshadowed as a potential crewmate and had a "reason" to die.
And since Jinbe has the reason to join the crew, and that there's nothing to gain from his death, he won't die and will likely have a flashback sometime during the Big Mom arc.
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I call it once again, Law has Corazon's ability… "Nagi Nagi no mi" somehow... He can mute the place and communicate with a certain person of his choice. lol:ninja:
he can have it anyway, he's the surgeon LAW! he has the ope ope fruit... can operate himself to implant another DF.
if its not a flashback... then that must be it! (LISTEN CLOSELY, STRAW-HAY-YAA!) (WHAT IS THIS? ..) <<<http://readms.com/r/one_piece/780/2723/18
(Law Fans! Don't panic… He's not dead yet, MANSHERRY IS THERE!)
- Theory : LAW ALREADY GAVE IMMORTALITY TO LUFFY BACK AFTER MARINEFORD WAR
Ok I hide now :P
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@Galaxy:
The key difference is Ace was never foreshadowed as a potential crewmate and had a "reason" to die.
And since Jinbe has the reason to join the crew, and that there's nothing to gain from his death, he won't die and will likely have a flashback sometime during the Big Mom arc.
One could say his death can be used to show just how ruthless Big Mam is. Most of us think she's the weakest Yonkou, and imo she's not as hyped as the others. But regardless, I'm not trying to argue. I agree with you. He's not going to die. I hope he joins soon tho
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Teen Titans Go! is actually funny.
Huh, I would have a long list of refutation for that statement.
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Huh, I would have a long list of refutation for that statement.
Wouldn't change my opinion.
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Did Darth ever reply to Ned gutters
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@Galaxy:
His entire childhood is still a mystery, and we still have no idea how he got his scar.
There's definitely more that's going to expand on his dream and make it more personal. The Fishman Island flashback was more about the Sun Pirates and Otohime, instead of Jinbe.
Each of the SH had a flashback with a person who has set a direction in their lives. It just seems like for Jinbe it's Fisher Tiger.
But yeah, the flashback was mostly about his duty and responsibility. Does seem like he has a dream, one that can be achieved with Luffy.
As for his scar, I think he got it between Otohime's death and a fight with Ace. Maybe it's just going to be a scar with no story behind it. Wouldn't be the first one.
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One could say his death can be used to show just how ruthless Big Mam is.
We already know she destroys islands that don't pay her the tribute, and that she actually consumes her crewmates.
I'd say the ruthless factor is already there.
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Burrrrrowsing his post history and pretty sure he didn't
Lmao
Prove me the fool and link me otherwise but…..
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I was thinking Trebol needs to find an opponent fast or else he might just have to fight himself.
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One could say his death can be used to show just how ruthless Big Mam is. Most of us think she's the weakest Yonkou, and imo she's not as hyped as the others. But regardless, I'm not trying to argue. I agree with you. He's not going to die. I hope he joins soon tho
This ain't furthering the plot in anyway! a character like Jimbi won't die no matter who he faces; he carries the dreams of Tiger, Otohime and an Island with who knows how many citizens on his back, a character like this is way too important.
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As for his scar, I think he got it between Otohime's death and a fight with Ace. Maybe it's just going to be a scar with no story behind it. Wouldn't be the first one.
His scar seems somewhat significant (at least to me) and might even be related to the World Government in some way!
