holy shit I thought we already had the break last week
I've completely lost track of time
what am I doing
holy shit I thought we already had the break last week
I've completely lost track of time
what am I doing
Awww, does the guy who gets 3 hours of sleep a night and works pretty much 7 days a week as it is not churn out your rubber pirate comics as fast as you'd like?
Never did get people who complain about the breaks. I use them to read some mangas I haven't read before, or play some game (replaying Serious Sam - Second Encounter now).
I've got a feeling that this is how Luffy will deliver his first punch on Doflamingo. It would be both ironic and satisfying as hell.
http://i996.mangapanda.com/one-piece/745/one-piece-4919353.jpg
I've got a feeling that this is how Luffy will deliver his first punch on Doflamingo. It would be both ironic and satisfying as hell.
Then we'd finally see what batshit crazy eyes he has been hiding this whole time!
Waiting for powermanga's release is tooough~
Oh right, something on-topic is needed too. Ehm… Sabo>Zoro, yeah. There we go.
http://i996.mangapanda.com/one-piece/745/one-piece-4919353.jpg
I've got a feeling that this is how Luffy will deliver his first punch on Doflamingo. It would be both ironic and satisfying as hell.
Obviously Luffy can't steal his signature move! The Flamingo Punch!
Waiting for powermanga's release is tooough~
Oh right, something on-topic is needed too. Ehm… Sabo>Zoro, yeah. There we go.
I am all itchy when I read that- my fingers are eaching to write something in response but I will manage not to
Who am I cheating… I have to fall for it and respond lol
I would say that Luffy=Sabo and that Zoro is super tiny step behind Luffy so probably behind Sabo as well. Though both Zoro and Luffy has ambitions of becoming strongest fighters in world while Sabo has more complicated role based not only on fighting but also on taking care of many things connected to Revolutionaries and their goals so both Luffy and Zoro will exceed Sabo close to end of story.
And it will be Sanji = Sabo lol wonder whatcha gonna say now
again???why???????
Among the many names DD is going to mention, I bet half of them are people we don't know about yet, royals, govt. officials, agents…etc
Will Doflamingo be bold enough to name Fujiotora?
Will Doflamingo be bold enough to name Fujiotora?
He'll try. Like say "Fuji-" first, then quickly look at said admiral's face and go from there. Which could result in either "-toraaaa!! ffufufu" or "Jack. Fuji Jack. He's gotta be somewhere on the island hehehe nervous laugh"
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I am all itchy when I read that- my fingers are eaching to write something in response but I will manage not to
Who am I cheating… I have to fall for it and respond lolI would say that Luffy=Sabo and that Zoro is super tiny step behind Luffy so probably behind Sabo as well. Though both Zoro and Luffy has ambitions of becoming strongest fighters in world while Sabo has more complicated role based not only on fighting but also on taking care of many things connected to Revolutionaries and their goals so both Luffy and Zoro will exceed Sabo close to end of story.
And it will be Sanji = Sabo lol wonder whatcha gonna say now
I see. In that case I'll go with Fujitora>Sabo next. Oh, and Sanji=Zoro while we're at it.
Oda's health doesn't matter to himself, either. Apparently it's Shueisha that forces him to take breaks, because of his health.
But a Golden Week break isn't even a break for Oda himself, it's one for the whole magazine.
What's with all the breaks?
Why not reading a previous page?^^
Calm down people we may (probably) have a chapter this week-end or monday, I mean a very early chapter.
Calm down people we may (probably) have a chapter this week-end or monday, I mean a very early chapter.
Well but after it they will bitch cuz they will have to wait longer for the next one…
He'll try. Like say "Fuji-" first, then quickly look at said admiral's face and go from there. Which could result in either "-toraaaa!! ffufufu" or "Jack. Fuji Jack. He's gotta be somewhere on the island hehehe nervous laugh"
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I see. In that case I'll go with Fujitora>Sabo next. Oh, and Sanji=Zoro while we're at it.
Sanji is A BIT less destructive than Zoro but he makes up for it with his smarts. So overall value to crew as figthers/ crewmates Sanji = Zoro.
Fujitora is easily over Sabo for pretty long time, even after Sabo masters Mera Mera. I expect Dragon = Fujitora kind of thing. I dont think that Dragon is as strong as Yonko, I think he is closer to an Admiral or their equal so to say.
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Sanji is A BIT less destructive than Zoro but he makes up for it with his smarts. So overall value to crew as figthers/ crewmates Sanji = Zoro.
Fujitora is easily over Sabo for pretty long time, even after Sabo masters Mera Mera. I expect Dragon = Fujitora kind of thing. I dont think that Dragon is as strong as Yonko, I think he is closer to an Admiral or their equal so to say.
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it's a high possibility that Garp did the same thing to Dragon as he did with Luffy. Throw him into a jungle and expect him to get stronger so one day he will become a admiral. It probably worked at first then Dragon learned pretty horrifying acts of the world government, thus creating the revolutionary that targets the world government. So he is most likely stronger than Garp right now as Luffy one day will become stronger than Dragon. And Garp is capable of competing at Admiral level, maybe even higher during his prime knowing he fought Gol D Roger countless times. And Roger was higher than any Yonkou, this makes Dragon likely to be stronger than Kaido, Big Mom, and Shanks. I don't know about Blackbeard though. And Shanks was a toddler on Roger's boat.
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Well but after it they will bitch cuz they will have to wait longer for the next one…
because everyone is saying "oh doflamingo is going to be defeated by Luffy!" I want oda to show the panel where doflamingo has a real match with luffy and luffy gets one sided defeated. and then Fujitora comes and say "doflamingo enough is enough, you are not as strong as me, an admiral!" and then Fujitora gets one sided defeated too.
it's a high possibility that Garp did the same thing to Dragon as he did with Luffy. Throw him into a jungle and expect him to get stronger so one day he will become a admiral. It probably worked at first then Dragon learned pretty horrifying acts of the world government, thus creating the revolutionary that targets the world government. So he is most likely stronger than Garp right now as Luffy one day will become stronger than Dragon. And Garp is capable of competing at Admiral level, maybe even higher during his prime knowing he fought Gol D Roger countless times. And Roger was higher than any Yonkou, this makes Dragon likely to be stronger than Kaido, Big Mom, and Shanks. I don't know about Blackbeard though. And Shanks was a toddler on Roger's boat.
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because everyone is saying "oh doflamingo is going to be defeated by Luffy!" I want oda to show the panel where doflamingo has a real match with luffy and luffy gets one sided defeated. and then Fujitora comes and say "doflamingo enough is enough, you are not as strong as me, an admiral!" and then Fujitora gets one sided defeated too.
Do flamingo isnt beating fujitora.
I severely doubt DD is defeating anyone, except maybe Luffy in their initial fight. But just so that Luffy can beat his a$$ dramatic like in the end…...
DD is strong, but he's not foolish enough to dig his own grave here.....
That's Kaidou's job I hope.
because everyone is saying "oh doflamingo is going to be defeated by Luffy!" I want oda to show the panel where doflamingo has a real match with luffy and luffy gets one sided defeated. and then Fujitora comes and say "doflamingo enough is enough, you are not as strong as me, an admiral!" and then Fujitora gets one sided defeated too.
Then Doflamingo gets fodderized by our very own "Usoland".
Why is this guy quoting me with a reply about shitty power levels?
Strange
Sanji is A BIT less destructive than Zoro but he makes up for it with his smarts. So overall value to crew as figthers/ crewmates Sanji = Zoro.
Fujitora is easily over Sabo for pretty long time, even after Sabo masters Mera Mera. I expect Dragon = Fujitora kind of thing. I dont think that Dragon is as strong as Yonko, I think he is closer to an Admiral or their equal so to say.
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Uhm… I guess I have responses to both of those. I'm really tired of people claiming Sanji and Zoro are equal fighters, which you are not quite doing. Zoro is obviously a superior combatant even if you factor in Sanji's intelligence. Zoro is about equal to Sanji while unarmed. Note that instead, he is optimally equipped while wielding three motherfucking swords.
However, the difference is small enough that I think that the fact that Zoro is only a combatant, and Sanji is additionally a chef, makes Sanji a far superior crewmate to Zoro, and I'm struggling to think of why Zoro's aggregate value would be nearly equal to the crew as a whole. That's the more relevant part I want to disagree with you on.
Anyway, while Luffy and Sabo certainly have a bit of improvement to go, I think that you're overestimating the Yonkou a bit. Most Yonkou are not as strong as Whitebeard. If you equate all Yonkou to Whitebeard, of course they'll appear to all surpass admiral level. The thing that makes them truly fearsome is that they can surround themselves with VA-level comrades and henchmen. I'd say that aside from Whitebeard, who was a step above the rest, the Yonkou are all around admiral level, and their top few subordinates are all around VA level, which means you'd need to mobilize two admirals in the new world at the same time to have a reasonable chance of taking out a yonkou crew with minimal damage to the marines. Note that the marine hierarchy basically forces them to attempt to play it safe, as losing someone of VA level or higher is a Big Deal to the citizenship that counts on them. So as long as the Yonkou stay in the New World, they're not that much of a worry. "let them fight over territory and One Piece", the marines are probably thinking.
So, I basically think that Dragon = Fujitora = Yonkou (don't forget that Dragon is the head of the entire force that considers itself a direct enemy of the world government… if he wasn't even at Yonkou level then the WG would just mobilize all three admirals against him and crush him) at an individual combatant level, and the only reason the Yonkou seem so much stronger than Fujitora is because the latter doesn't have a ton of almost-as-amazing direct subordinates to drag around all day (when not on a particular mission, the VAs have a pretty high degree of freedom, as shown by Garp's contentedness with the position). Sabo and Luffy aren't there just yet but we'll see them get there in the next few arcs. If Big Mom is the weakest Yonkou, I'm looking forward to her being used as a stepping stone for Luffy's growth!
Why is this guy quoting me with a reply about shitty power levels?
Strange
wow learn to read. I quoted you on the released chapters idiot. You said everyone will bitch because of the delayed releases and I simply said I wanted to prove everyone right now that doflamingo is going to win all his fights. Maybe that paraphrase works better for you.
16 chars of is there a chapter coming out tomorrow?
No more chapters, one piece is cancelled
wow learn to read. I quoted you on the released chapters idiot. You said everyone will bitch because of the delayed releases and I simply said I wanted to prove everyone right now that doflamingo is going to win all his fights. Maybe that paraphrase works better for you.
How will you prove this?
Ohhh nevermind i just saw: join date Mar 2014
Uhm… I guess I have responses to both of those. I'm really tired of people claiming Sanji and Zoro are equal fighters, which you are not quite doing. Zoro is obviously a superior combatant even if you factor in Sanji's intelligence. Zoro is about equal to Sanji while unarmed. Note that instead, he is optimally equipped while wielding three motherfucking swords.
However, the difference is small enough that I think that the fact that Zoro is only a combatant, and Sanji is additionally a chef, makes Sanji a far superior crewmate to Zoro, and I'm struggling to think of why Zoro's aggregate value would be nearly equal to the crew as a whole. That's the more relevant part I want to disagree with you on.
Anyway, while Luffy and Sabo certainly have a bit of improvement to go, I think that you're overestimating the Yonkou a bit. Most Yonkou are not as strong as Whitebeard. If you equate all Yonkou to Whitebeard, of course they'll appear to all surpass admiral level. The thing that makes them truly fearsome is that they can surround themselves with VA-level comrades and henchmen. I'd say that aside from Whitebeard, who was a step above the rest, the Yonkou are all around admiral level, and their top few subordinates are all around VA level, which means you'd need to mobilize two admirals in the new world at the same time to have a reasonable chance of taking out a yonkou crew with minimal damage to the marines. Note that the marine hierarchy basically forces them to attempt to play it safe, as losing someone of VA level or higher is a Big Deal to the citizenship that counts on them. So as long as the Yonkou stay in the New World, they're not that much of a worry. "let them fight over territory and One Piece", the marines are probably thinking.
So, I basically think that Dragon = Fujitora = Yonkou (don't forget that Dragon is the head of the entire force that considers itself a direct enemy of the world government… if he wasn't even at Yonkou level then the WG would just mobilize all three admirals against him and crush him) at an individual combatant level, and the only reason the Yonkou seem so much stronger than Fujitora is because the latter doesn't have a ton of almost-as-amazing direct subordinates to drag around all day (when not on a particular mission, the VAs have a pretty high degree of freedom, as shown by Garp's contentedness with the position). Sabo and Luffy aren't there just yet but we'll see them get there in the next few arcs. If Big Mom is the weakest Yonkou, I'm looking forward to her being used as a stepping stone for Luffy's growth!
About Sanji and Zoro I think we agree. I didnt put my arguments in post as long as yours as I took argument as a bit of a joke/fun thing. If I would explain my point of view it would be by some part same as yours.
Zoros swords and what he can do with them gives him fire-power that Sanji doesnt have for all we know. He can cut more than Sanji can break with kicks so to say and that can save, help in freeing nakamas(chains, cages etc). Sanji now has sky walk and its also great addition to overall powers of crew. Its material for long debate but I do agree with you by most part. Unarmed Zoro vs unarmed Sanji- Sanji is CQC fighter that doesnt use any weapon, just legs. Zoro without swords would loose fight with Sanji- its plenty wrong with comparing it like you did it. I dont want to elaborate lets cut it.
As for Yonko compare to others, they seem to have an edge over everybody else. With or without crew. If Whitebeard was so strong at old age, other Yonkos like Shanks should be overpowering admirals in fight.
If Yonko themselves would not have power to hold off an Admiral then during few decades of piracy that they have behind them, they would be probably beaten/ captured.
You should not write - "aside from Whitebeard, who was a step above the rest, the Yonkou are all around admiral level, and their top few subordinates are all around VA level". For all I know we seen one Yonko in action and one Yonkos crew. Shanks being younger and not sick can end up being stronger than Whitebeard at his old age was.
Whitebeards only equal in fight was said to be Roger. That says one thing- king of pirates in leaque on his own. Now I expect Kaido to be as strong as Whitebeard was shown to be. If not even stronger as Whitebeard was old, sick and partially holding back because of his allies.
Last point - Dragon - if Marines would knew where Dragon is they would do it. IF he is dragon zoan as most of us expect he can really fast change place of stay so to say. And Admirals doesnt fly to sky like that.
If he is Dragon Zoan user he can even pull his ship to the sky and avoid fighting at the sea. I dont expect him to be another Yonko-caliber type of person. Because of character of Revolutionaries as organization.
Being as strong as Admiral would be amazing for Dragon. He is after gaining allies, turning countries for better, not after being stronger than anyone else and rulling on seas like Yonko.
wow learn to read. I quoted you on the released chapters idiot. You said everyone will bitch because of the delayed releases and I simply said I wanted to prove everyone right now that doflamingo is going to win all his fights. Maybe that paraphrase works better for you.
Please calm yourself, you tedious buffoon.
Up to the war I'd tought that the power of the WG (Marines and 7Warlords) would be able to balance the 4Emperors, but after seeing Whitebeard Aliance in action, the WG in it's own turf were barely stronger than them, and the 3 defected warlords (and crocodile) wouldn't change it that much, for simplicity's sake we could asume that the world has 5 military superpowers, the WG and each emperor's territory, they in theory could destroy one of them, but then would be easy pickings for the other 3, forcing a new balance or a Blackbeard case.
There are a few outliers here and there, Mainly Wano, Kano and the Revolutionaries, who have a decent militia (enough to take down a country or protect it agains the big 5) their advantage should be revealed with the plot, with the asian-like countries having some kind of insane terrain advantage, and the revolutionaries being a small and powerful force, hard to pinpoint or get info about.
Of the NW islands we have already seen:
Big mom holds Fishman island
Dressrosa, G5, New Marine HQ and Punk Hazzard are WG
Winter island factory Kaidoh
2 Random party islands Shanks (shouldn't count as they aren't countries)
Whitebeard's Grave either Shanks' or WB remanents
BTW, why the marines tolerate Big Mom's hold on Fishman Island? Or they just don't know as they don't go there?
Up to the war I'd tought that the power of the WG (Marines and 7Warlords) would be able to balance the 4Emperors, but after seeing Whitebeard Aliance in action, the WG in it's own turf were barely stronger than them, and the 3 defected warlords (and crocodile) wouldn't change it that much, for simplicity's sake we could asume that the world has 5 military superpowers, the WG and each emperor's territory, they in theory could destroy one of them, but then would be easy pickings for the other 3, forcing a new balance or a Blackbeard case.
You don't even imagine how much I want to write elaborate essey about how the war does not prove anything in regards of Yonkou superiority over Marines. I'm tempted.
BTW, why the marines tolerate Big Mom's hold on Fishman Island? Or they just don't know as they don't go there?
Why wouldn't they? They are technically not part of WG yet, so why would they commit resources to protecting it?
You don't even imagine how much I want to write elaborate essey about how the war does not prove anything in regards of Yonkou superiority over Marines. I'm tempted.
Let me guess, your essay would "reveal" that it was actually the marine side who was superior. I think I'll skip, thanks.
wow learn to read. I quoted you on the released chapters idiot. You said everyone will bitch because of the delayed releases and I simply said I wanted to prove everyone right now that doflamingo is going to win all his fights. Maybe that paraphrase works better for you.
I learned a lot from you. Thank you
Let me guess, your essay would "reveal" that it was actually the marine side who was superior. I think I'll skip, thanks.
Oh please. As if you people are any better than me, with your constant overhyping characters that were never even shown fighting before, or in some cases did not even properly appeared on pages.
And besides, I find it ridicoulous that evidently Whitebeards side was o-so-much superior, and yet they mostly relay on blind luck, Admirals not using obvious openings, and still not managed to knock out even one named character.
Up to the war I'd tought that the power of the WG (Marines and 7Warlords) would be able to balance the 4Emperors, but after seeing Whitebeard Aliance in action, the WG in it's own turf were barely stronger than them, and the 3 defected warlords (and crocodile) wouldn't change it that much, for simplicity's sake we could asume that the world has 5 military superpowers, the WG and each emperor's territory, they in theory could destroy one of them, but then would be easy pickings for the other 3, forcing a new balance or a Blackbeard case.
There are a few outliers here and there, Mainly Wano, Kano and the Revolutionaries, who have a decent militia (enough to take down a country or protect it agains the big 5) their advantage should be revealed with the plot, with the asian-like countries having some kind of insane terrain advantage, and the revolutionaries being a small and powerful force, hard to pinpoint or get info about.
Of the NW islands we have already seen:
Big mom holds Fishman island
Dressrosa, G5, New Marine HQ and Punk Hazzard are WG
Winter island factory Kaidoh
2 Random party islands Shanks (shouldn't count as they aren't countries)
Whitebeard's Grave either Shanks' or WB remanentsBTW, why the marines tolerate Big Mom's hold on Fishman Island? Or they just don't know as they don't go there?
Maybe Big Mom doesnt do anything about island itself outside of taking 10 tons of sweets. She just scares off pirates with her name and flag but it seems like all. Marines can capture pirates that are surfacing and nobody has to battle over Fishman Island. It seems that if Marines would like to take over island that is marked by one of Yonkos flag they would risk a big conflict. It was said that after Marineford war non of big players was going all out in New World so to say. Marines are gathering resources, big names like Kaido are also getting ready. Seems like tension in New Wolrd was rising during last two years and now with what Law done- destruction of SAD room and capturing Cesar that thin tension will change into movement on all fronts.
Wano will take part in it, presumably it already takes part in that building up tension as its hinted given Momos and Kinemons reaction to Kaidos name - he might be directly or indirectly attacking Wano and Momonosuke might be used as bargain for Samurais to give up/ stop opposing Kaido- that might be why Mingo wants Momo. Just loose theory but might end up as what we will see.
It was never stated that fame is in any way connected to Haoshoku. It is just that the most of the really strong people have it, so it is more "if the pirate is really known, he probably has Haoshoku" than anything else.
And I would like to think that among thousands of marines there is someone except Garp with Haoshoku.
garp has haoshoku?
because everyone is saying "oh doflamingo is going to be defeated by Luffy!" I want oda to show the panel where doflamingo has a real match with luffy and luffy gets one sided defeated. and then Fujitora comes and say "doflamingo enough is enough, you are not as strong as me, an admiral!" and then Fujitora gets one sided defeated too.
I wanted to prove everyone right now that doflamingo is going to win all his fights.
serious answer: Doflamingo is very strong, there's no denying that. Severing Oars Jr's leg, beating the tar out of Law, breaking out of Aokiji's ice like nothing, beating the tar out of Smoker, even landing a solid haki-infused punch on Luffy.
But to one-shot an Admiral? The guy isn't invincible.
garp has haoshoku?
Well, it has been implied. And I would like to think that guy who came closest to taking Pirate King in has it.
There has been no official proof though, no. On that, I concede.
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serious answer: Doflamingo is very strong, there's no denying that. Severing Oars Jr's leg, beating the tar out of Law, breaking out of Aokiji's ice like nothing, beating the tar out of Smoker, even landing a solid haki-infused punch on Luffy.
But to one-shot an Admiral? The guy isn't invincible.
And we still need some believeable way he can be defeated. He does not need any more hype, he's got enough already.
You don't even imagine how much I want to write elaborate essey about how the war does not prove anything in regards of Yonkou superiority over Marines. I'm tempted.
Numbers of soldiers? Number of casualties? Number of coincidences? It doesn't matter, the final point is that yes, the whitebeard aliance lost it's objective, it's leader and it's territory, the marines are stronger, no, the marines can't overpower any one of them, and that they should count themselves super lucky that no one decided to attack in the first few months after the war.
Darth will never forgive that loser Whitebeard for making blessed Akainu-sama look like a little bitch.
Numbers of soldiers? Number of casualties? Number of coincidences? It doesn't matter, the final point is that yes, the whitebeard aliance lost it's objective, it's leader and it's territory, the marines are stronger, no, the marines can't overpower any one of them, and that they should count themselves super lucky that no one decided to attack in the first few months after the war.
I disagree. Let's leave it at that. Unless we do want this thread to go up in flames?
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@Cyan:
Darth will never forgive that loser Whitebeard for making blessed Akainu-sama look like a little bitch.
Question: Do you have something personally against me? Because you do practicaly nothing but pointlessly antagonizing, while bringing nothing of worth to the table.
And why would I be mad at that fight? It was not nearly as one sided as people make it out to be.
I actually want to see this one play out. We're not getting a chapter for a while, Bayern is losing badly right now, and it's been a while since Darth's last "Why Sakazuki is best fuck the rest" essay.
I actually want to see this one play out. We're not getting a chapter for a while, Bayern is losing badly right now, and it's been a while since Darth's last "Why Sakazuki is best fuck the rest" essay.
It's less fuck the rest, and more that I refuse to believe that two, three supernova crews hold more power then the entire bloody navy. Which is what majority of people seem to think nowadays.
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Not flames.
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That got a chuckle out of me, thank you. :happy:
@Cyan:
Darth will never forgive that loser Whitebeard for making blessed Akainu-sama look like a little bitch.
Best part of the entire war, I'm glad Toei didn't ruined it with shitty animation like they always do.
Best part of the entire war, I'm glad Toei didn't ruined it with shitty animation like they always do.
They kinda did, but again that's the matter of opinion.
Me personally, i thought the Marines were portrayed as holding a quite sizable advantage over the WB pirates/allies.
Whitebeard himself had his moments, but at no point did it feel like they were turning the tides and winning the battle.
Oh please. As if you people are any better than me, with your constant overhyping characters that were never even shown fighting before, or in some cases did not even properly appeared on pages.
And besides, I find it ridicoulous that evidently Whitebeards side was o-so-much superior, and yet they mostly relay on blind luck, Admirals not using obvious openings, and still not managed to knock out even one named character.
I don't even know what "you people" even means. And I hate it when you people group me with them people.
The Marineford battle was highly situational and plot driven. Too chaotic to determine who is really stronger than who, for the most part. There was hardly any battle that played out from start to finish. Most of the key players couldn't go all out because of friendly fire.
It only showed that WG has a good reason to try to keep status quo in the form of World Balance.