I dont think that the Most Pirates aren't Good like Luffy and Co. … They weren't on Skypia for sightseeing...
Love and Loathe: Daily One Piece Character Analysis
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Love: Only non-future strawhats to actually seems to do stuff for his ideal. His fighting style was pretty cool and he had great determination. I also love how he gets to be a baddass.
Loathe: Too extreme. Why the heck did he suddenly decided to fight against Luffy for example. And asking for Skypians heads in middle of negociation was stupid.
4/5
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if someone came into your home, took your treasured item and kept it for themselves, then later decides that after its become a staple for them to allow it to be shared? What right do they have? it was never theirs to decide.
That's something that happens in one lifetime, though. The takeover of Shandia happened 400 years ago.
If someone takes my home and property: I'll shove needles into every orifice of their body.
If people took my great-great-great-great-great grandparents' home and property, and the history has somehow been passed down so far (family feud?) I know who their descendants are: I wouldn't do or feel anything. There's no meaning in me reclaiming it, if it even still exists, because the people who that home and those possessions actually meant the world to are dead. The only time a situation like this would be a problem if the people who were stolen from were still being oppressed to this day, and the Skypieans of today weren't oppressing the Shandians. They didn't enslave, torture, kill, or otherwise harm them.Then again, the Shandian people are very proud of their heritage and it's a huge part of their identity. Those things have no personal meaning to me. What matters to me are my own individual accomplishments, strengths and weaknesses, interests, etc.
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I dont think that the Most Pirates aren't Good like Luffy and Co. … They weren't on Skypia for sightseeing...
Some of them probably were, like Roger, but that is a good point… Yeah Wiper might have had a reason to be hostile towards tourists too. :ermm:
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Wiper
Love: one of the most memorable arc side characters, especially when compared to Vivi, Conis, Keimi, Hachi, Rebecca. Wiper stood up against the power opposing his clan and disgracing his ancestors, and while he may have at times been irrational, he represented his "berserker" epithet extremely well. Wiper opened up deep into the Skypiea Arc and once finding out Luffy's desire to help Noland's ancestor (Cricket), Wiper became understanding of Luffy and subsequently put his life on the line to see Giant Jack fall just so Luffy could face Enel and help fulfil the promise Wiper's ancestor Calgara made to his dear friend, Montblanc Noland. For man so distrusting of others, it was a moving surprise for Wiper to hand over the duty of fulfilling his ancestor's promise to a man (Luffy) he just met.The determination Wiper exuded and the deep respect he has for the obligation his ancestor was driven by, it was moving to see a man recklessly put his life on the line just so a promise from the past could be fulfilled.
Loathe: there are time when Wiper could have benefited more by listening as opposed to attacking first and never asking question, but I suppose that may have taken away from his character and memorable nature. The violent madness he can be consumed by can be seen as irrationally needless, but because he behaved in such an outlandish manner, his character came off as refreshing and memorable to me.
4.5/5
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I don't deny that Wiper had a reason to hate Skypieans, even if he took it too far. But how about Blue Sea people? What did they do to him?
most of the people who came from the blue sea were pirates in search of gold, im sure they have had bad experiences with them before.
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That's something that happens in one lifetime, though. The takeover of Shandia happened 400 years ago.
If someone takes my home and property: I'll shove needles into every orifice of their body.
If people took my great-great-great-great-great grandparents' home and property, and the history has somehow been passed down so far (family feud?) I know who their descendants are: I wouldn't do or feel anything. There's no meaning in me reclaiming it, if it even still exists, because the people who that home and those possessions actually meant the world to are dead. The only time a situation like this would be a problem if the people who were stolen from were still being oppressed to this day, and the Skypieans of today weren't oppressing the Shandians. They didn't enslave, torture, kill, or otherwise harm them.Then again, the Shandian people are very proud of their heritage and it's a huge part of their identity. Those things have no personal meaning to me. What matters to me are my own individual accomplishments, strengths and weaknesses, interests, etc.
A life time ago was when it started… it was kept that way up until Gan Fal became god and we dont exactly know exactly how long it took gan fal to come to this realization. so within the last 20-40 years(estimation) so thats VERY recent. Either way there was negotiations underway between gan fall and the chief so the shandians weren't as bloodthirsty as you're making them out to be.
You're also failing to see ownership of the land as claiming it happened 400 years ago. The land is just as much of wiper's land as it is calgara as it is his inheritance.
Imagine this, your family left you an inheritance, (whatever it is, money, land, possession, positions, power, anything) this is yours, and your ancestors worked hard to keep this land. So someone comes and steals your inheritance and you see their kids using the shit that was rightfully yours in your face, and remember this is all they have so this is VERY valuable to them and as you see the descendants setting it up so their descendants can use it and your descendants cant. AND every day you know thats yours, and they know that its yours, and they know, that you know that is yours. and you know, that they know, that you know that its yours at what point do you say, thats ok?Now, the best solution is for both parties to live on the land, but it is up to the shandians to decide this, not the skypians. they should not keep hostage what is not theirs to begin with. and hence wiper in the way he was raised and the things HE experienced he was justified.
another thing to address as well about the blue sea people. if you live in a home and every time a new person comes they steal your shit, wouldn't you be conditioned to attack new people? its a conditioned mind, its what he knows and the blue sea people were mostly PIRATES and what do we know about most pirates? they were pillagers.
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Love: I liked his weaponry and genuinely enjoyed how dials were used in the Skypiea arc in general. His dream was pretty great, I liked how it tied into the Norland flashback. His willpower to stand against "god" is pretty impressive.
Loathe: His character seemed pretty flat. I don't think he was very memorable as an ally or a rival, which is unfortunate. His rage is pretty understandable, but I just didn't feel it with him for some reason.
3/5
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Yall' are being way too hard on poor Waipa. He did the jobs the story required of him perfectly, and as a Calgara parrallel/manifestation of the Shandora side of the debacle, he gave many memorable scenes. He was an effective character.
"For my ancestors!"
"Was his name..Noland?"
"RING THAT BELL STRAW HAT"I have bugger all time to go in debt now, so if I don't get around to editing this post I will make sure to catch up on him at the next reevaluation.
For now: 4/5, could've used som lasting damage from Reject.
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The fact that he got pissed off at Gan Fall saying he likes pumpkin juice. He kind of reminds me of the extremist social justice people who think simply liking something about another culture is cultural appropriation. (not that pumpkin juice was unique to the Shandian culture in the first place, but…)
Actually, Pumpkins only exists in skypea because Upper Yeard brought them, because Noland brought them to Jaya 400 years ago. Gan Fall is probably just trying to indicate that he appreciates something the Shandians introduced to the sky. But to Wiper, a shandian chased off his native symbol-of-ancestors-friendship-pumkin growing land, what he hears is probably "LAWLZ THANKS FOR THESE FRUITS FROM THE LAND OUR GUYS CHASED YOU GUYS FROM ALL THOSE YEARS AGO THEY'RE REALLY TASTY". Its easy to see how it could be considered an insult.
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Yall' are being way too hard on poor Waipa. He did the jobs the story required of him perfectly, and as a Calgara parrallel/manifestation of the Shandora side of the debacle, he gave many memorable scenes. He was an effective character.
"For my ancestors!"
"Was his name..Noland?"
"RING THAT BELL STRAW HAT"I have bugger all time to go in debt now, so if I don't get around to editing this post I will make sure to catch up on him at the next reevaluation.
You're right. His character development was just fine, but he could have said something like "You know, maybe I shouldn't have been such a dick and possibly assaulted/killed Skypieans and tourists." Show some remorse afterwards.
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A life time ago was when it started… it was kept that way up until Gan Fal became god and we dont exactly know exactly how long it took gan fal to come to this realization. so within the last 20-40 years(estimation) so thats VERY recent. Either way there was negotiations underway between gan fall and the chief so the shandians weren't as bloodthirsty as you're making them out to be.
You're also failing to see ownership of the land as claiming it happened 400 years ago. The land is just as much of wiper's land as it is calgara as it is his inheritance.
Imagine this, your family left you an inheritance, (whatever it is, money, land, possession, positions, power, anything) this is yours, and your ancestors worked hard to keep this land. So someone comes and steals your inheritance and you see their kids using the shit that was rightfully yours in your face, and remember this is all they have so this is VERY valuable to them and as you see the descendants setting it up so their descendants can use it and your descendants cant. AND every day you know thats yours, and they know that its yours, and they know, that you know that is yours. and you know, that they know, that you know that its yours at what point do you say, thats ok?Now, the best solution is for both parties to live on the land, but it is up to the shandians to decide this, not the skypians. they should not keep hostage what is not theirs to begin with. and hence wiper in the way he was raised and the things HE experienced he was justified.
another thing to address as well about the blue sea people. if you live in a home and every time a new person comes they steal your shit, wouldn't you be conditioned to attack new people? its a conditioned mind, its what he knows and the blue sea people were mostly PIRATES and what do we know about most pirates? they were pillagers.
I didn't know it was like that until recently when Gan Fall came to power. I must have either forgotten or overlooked that while I was reading the arc. So I concede on the "it happened 400 years ago" point.
For the inheritance, I wouldn't think it's ok for them to steal from me. The key words though being "from me". I would get back what was taken for my own self, without any motivation to avenge my ancestors. The person they stole from is me, since I'm the possessor, and no longer my parents, grandparents, or so on. My ancestors no longer have any involvement with whatever I inherited. I wouldn't feel insulted or offended on behalf of my ancestors.
I agree that the Shandians should have the final say.
Wiper's mindset is basically akin to stereotyping, though. He hated Blue Sea people, even those who didn't do any harm yet or at all. It seems like he would just assume that literally every single person passing through from the Blue Sea is going to pillage as if it's something they're biologically programmed to do. It reminds me that one of my (former) friends had a friend who was racist against black people because a group of them vandalized her property. Instead of hating an entire race or place of origin, just hate individuals who do harm, regardless of what they are or are not. I'm sure Wiper wouldn't start to hate all Shandians if some of them tried to pillage from their land for their own good, and attack anyone who got in their way. People should be treated as how they act as an individual, not for demographics they belong to.
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Hey everyone, sorry, work has been crazy the last few days. I will post Wiper's APE tomorrow. Let's move on for now.
Love & Loathe #19 Let's get our monster on! It's time to evaluate: Chopperbonjour...Here's the deal: We are looking to hyper-critique a character to try and pinpoint what makes them great and what makes them terrible. After enough people respond, I will organize what are the best and worst traits of the character, and compile an evaluation post later. Also,don't worry if you have the same answers as others,the point is to figure out a common denominator for the character.
So the two questions for you are:
What one thing do you consistently love about Chopper?
What one thing do you consistently loathe about Chopper?And give Chopper a rating of between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest(.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.
**This will be a 48 hour evaluation.Enjoy.
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**Love:**Nearly everything. His loyalty to Hiluluk, his desire to help him at any cost, all this made him a great character with lots of development ahead. He really fits the Straw Hats as the most bizarre crew member on board, and I like him being the youngest crew mate.
He believed in the quack doctor until the very end and was willing to help him even when he died. He lived through a lot of trouble, on his way to the Merry and it made him a strong and very good hearted dude. His first appearance made me think "What the hell?" His past made me think "That's sad…" And him joining made me say "Yeahh!" . I was excited to see him fighting alongside the crew against Baroque Works and CP9. Every battle he tried to use his brain, (that was the purpose of Brain Point, I suppose) and it worked pretty effectively Though not the winning strike, but it played a role in his battles.
His design really appealed to me. He is very cute looking and the 7 forms concept is a very great addition to that. I really liked all of his forms, especially after the timeskip. Han point looking all monstrous looked great, though I must say goofy. Waking point was nice and all the others too. I liked how Oda designed Monster Point, though sometimes its size is messed up. After the timeskip he became even cuter and more powerful, and I still don't understand how people place him in the weakling trio. The dude has so many ways to defeat his enemy.
I talked about his appearance, and now about his abilities. The idea of a reindeer eating a Human fruit made me sceptical at first, but then I grew to actually like it. During the course of time you even forget that this guy is actually a reindeer. I love how Oda designs strange abilities.
And of course I adored his quirk.
Me: Hey, Chopper! Your quirk is so funny!
Chopper: You… You won't make me happy you bastard! I'm not happy at all!!
Very cute I want to say.
Loath: Hard to say I loath anything in particular. I must say he shouldn't be so scared of every damn thing. He is a powerhouse (not universally speaking), who can deal with most of the threats which approach him. I'm pretty sure he could have dealt with Jora once he understood her ability, but he was too busy being scared. His cowardice is getting annoying. He is not Usopp, for god's sake! Anyway I hope he is kicking some good shit at Big Mom's sip now.
He gets a 5/5 from me. A decent characters Probably my favorite out of the whole Straw Hat crew. -
Love: I love most when someone praises him and he starts dancing calling you jerk.
Loathe: The fact that it changed the Arm Point to that horrible Kung Fu point.:getlost:
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Love: He's one of the most compassionate and intelligent Strawhats in spite of his naivety. But I love that too. It's fun to see him beat enemies using tactics rather than brute strength alone.
Loathe: I liked his reindeer looks better!
Overall: 4/5
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Love I love the whole concept of Chopper. A human-human fruit eaten by a reindeer, the multiple transformations, his personality and past and him being the doctor… he's also incredibly cute and I like most of his running gags.
The balance in his strength is one of my particular likes. I wouldn't place him in the weakling group, but not in the strong group either. He is strong enough to kick ass with relative ease, but must still combine this with tactics and intelligence to actually win against stronger opponents. Its a balance we don't really see in the rest of the strawhats, where fighting either becomes "outwit your enemy" (Nami, Usopp) or "fight until the enemy is dead" (Luffy, Sanji, Zoro). This does leave Robin, Franky and Brook in roughly the same group as Chopper, but unlike the reindeer we haven't seen those three fight all that much.
His multiple transformations help make him stand out from all the other Zoans in the series, and I like the concept of a devil fruit user using outer means to mess with his own ability. He also had one of the best time-skip changes; allowing Chopper to use all but one of his transformations without a rumble ball, along with controlling monster point, is one of my favorite changes as it greatly widened the fighting possibilities for him. The new transformations however... I'll get to them later..
Lastly, I like that at his core, Chopper is a reindeer and not a human.
update: I saw this mentioned in some post - his character growth is very entertaining!Loathe
So, yeah, his new tranfsormations. I actually don't mind the kung-fu point, I kinda like it. But the rest?While I do like chopper's cuteness, it has gone too far, especially his half-human form. I liked all of his forms before the time skip, but after it it feels like all of them except his reindeer form has gotten sprinkled with sugar. I don't hate them (except the new human form - that one I really don't like, even if the concept behind it is good) but I preffered his old set. I also wish he used his reindeer form more. Its a shame we don't see it very often - overall i'd love to see him use all his transformations in casual situations instead of just battle.
He should also get some courage - you're definely not in the weakling trio Chopper!
I'll still give him 5/5 because I like Chopper, and while he has his bad points its not enough to be in the way of the character itself. Its more of an annoyance.
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Damn, it's hard to evaluate the Strawhats, I love all of them, and there's really nothing I dislike on them, but I'll try.
Love: He's intelligent and naive. His interactions with the crew are always funny.
Loathe: And don't like how his face looks on his new Heavy Point and Horn Point (to be fair, I'm not really liking the way One Piece has been drawn since the time skip, for me the drawings at Enies Lobby were the best).
5/5.
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Love: His character development. Hard to believe that he was once timid and distrusting. Also, the Luffy, Usopp and Chopper dynamic is just so fun to watch.
Loathe: How he was affected by the Japanese Mascot Syndrome. I don't like how Oda tried to enforce his cuteness by changing his design to look less like a Reindeer-Human hybrid and more like a walking plushie just to make him more marketable (this is extremely noticeable with his current transformations. The intimidating-looking Arm and Jumping Points were replaced by the goofy-looking Kung-Fu point and the Heavy, Horn and heck, even Monster Points became way cuter). This also ends up diminishing his whole "I'm a Monster!" struggle as he looks like something people would love to hug instead.
Also, the Chopperman spinoff was horrible.
4/5
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Oh, am I not going to be able to say much bad about any of the strawhats :( I'm really sad I missed Sanji - I have a lot of thoughts about him.
Love: The arc he's going through. He's so kid-like, not just because he's the youngest of the strawhats but also because of the unique mindset being a reindeer who was sheltered from the world gives him. The way he initially doesn't trust anyone but slowly learns to get along with the crew - GAH! His sensitivity about his "weirdness" and the fact that he's a "monster" I feel is probably resonate for a lot of people - and then his line post time-skip about how all he really wants is friends, and how Luffy has helped him accept himself… I love it! Then you add in his backstory and you've got an all around endearing character. (Plus he's freaking adorable.)
Of course, aside from the part he plays in the story line, there's a lot of individual traits to admire in him. Oda could have easily made him just the mascot, a cute character no one takes seriously, but he's a DOCTOR! He's intelligent and adds to the crew. Just like any other of the leads, he has a lot of quirks to make a full package. The way he can't process or hide his emotions, his protectiveness of the injured of the crew, his indignant towards those who misuse the medical practice, his occasional temper... Definitely a deserving crew member, especially if you start to look at the crew dynamics. Which I really don't have time to get into, as I'll write an essay.
Loathe: The way Oda has slowly made him more "cute." I get that's what a majority of the population wants but it's gone a little far.
Overall: 5/5.
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Love: His application of medical knowledge to enhance the use of his Devil Fruit. His character development. In the beginning he was very self-conscious about being a reindeer-human and stayed away from everyone except the doctors (Hiruluk and Kureha), but now he's found friends and acceptance and he wants to be a monster in order to back up Luffy. I like seeing his Usopp-esque struggles to be courageous in dangerous situations and then overcoming them, like in Skypiea when he was panicking so hard against Shura and pretty much the entire situation they were in, but later he ended up beating Gedatsu, one of the priests. His gag of denying compliments when he's clearly flattered makes me laugh. He's so kawaii =^_^= <3
Loathe: A few of his forms were replaced with different ones, and I liked his original set more. I'm forever bitter over this.
5/5
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Is Chopper still in One Piece? 'Not the biggest fan of him, so if he is… ‘guess I haven’t been noticing. By far my favorite aspect is his design(s), so I’ll stick to that for the most part.
Love: Love, love, love transforming characters. Very fun way to keep things visually interesting. ESPECIALLY with Chopper, given that he came around when the cast was still Guy - Guy - Girl - Nose Guy - Guy - Girl with Duck. And this became fantastic after the TimeSkip; most of designs now stand out dramatically from each other. It’s awesome. Except…
Loathe: ...we never really see them. Every time Chopper uses that teddy bear body to walk somewhere, I get mad. And then bored. I basically have my cake, but can’t eat it.
Oh, and his separation story with the war between Big Bird and Grimace. Or whatever. That one was lame.3.5 / 5
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Poor ol' Chopper. I feel nowadays people seem to rank him at the bottom of their lists, like Nami or Sanji.
Love: I want to say transformation shtick/design but I think I like his personal character arc more. A reindeer cast off from his own herd for being different, and even after that he was viewed as a monster. It's what made him shy and reclusive, until Luffy came by, busted Wapol's face, and say "who cares, join my crew!!!" The guy was able to find some friends who didn't mind his "weirdness" (and probably are just as weird), treating him not as food but a crewmate.
Then he forces himself into an actual monster to save one of those crewmates, but in the end, he embraces it and is proud of himself, both as a fighter and doctor.
Loathe: Sadly, the design. I'll admit Chopper wasn't super appealing when he first showed up, but had a nice balance around Skypiea/Water 7. But I'm not too big of a fan of his progression to a chibi mascot type. Again, it's more of an aesthetic problem, but jarring nonetheless. Still…
4.5/5, Chopper remains really underrated.
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I still remember the time when Chopper looked like a fat dog.
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Love: His old design, his work ethic and an interesting struggle back in Drum. His flashback his also pretty good and showed why he was the way he is and his development when it comes to accepting himself his clearly visible. 7 transformation is also an awesome fighting style.
Loathe: His new cute design and the transfer of that cuteness to all of his form(except horn point). He is way too gullible and damn do I hate his cuteness and stupidity. At least post-timeskip.
3/5
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Love: The old Chopper
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Love: As far as cute characters go you cant much better than Chopper. I love how Chopper gets along with the other characters. Zoro and him have the Badass+Child combo going. Oda said that Robin often has thoughts about cute things but when she talks it turns into a dark comment. This is probably why her and Chopper get along so well. Chopper and Usopp have an interesting combo, Chopper being ullible and Usopp being the person who makes up lies and tells crazy stories.
If you look at Chopper through the looking glass..meaning how other characters in the crew view him he isn't only a cute character..he has an interesting contrast with his monster point.
Even tho Oda made Chopper the cute mascot of the crew he hasn't limited Chopper to just that.
Loath: Now that Chopper can freely transform into everything except his Monster Point without a rumble ball..I would have liked to see him in his other forms more. When he is just walking around why doesn't he use his reindeer form? I don't like how he is constantly in his hybrid form when he could switch it up. Maybe its because he personally likes that form better?
5/5
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Loath: Now that Chopper can freely transform into everything except his Monster Point without a rumble ball..I would have liked to see him in his other forms more. When he is just walking around why doesn't he use his reindeer form? I don't like how he is constantly in his hybrid form when he could switch it up. Maybe its because he personally likes that form better?
I don't know if you know this, but people in Japan are CRAZY about Chopper. He is the most popular character from the most popular series of all time - to get an idea of this, you can try this article: ithinkincomics.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/one-piece-isnt-an-anime-its-a-way-of-life.
Of course, it would be natural for Oda to draw him more human-y from the start, before he was so popular, because people will identify much more with human looking characters. (Which is why it's rare to get non-humanoid looking aliens in Sci-Fi.) But then fans went nuts over him, and he started raking in cash for those who own the rights because people are buying plushies and shit. I don't know if Oda decided on his own to start exploiting Chopper's cuteness or if an executive asked him to, but yeah. In some ways, it's all about the money. (See: Nami's expanding breasts.) It hurts a little to know that it's not all Oda's quirky imagination, but there's a business to it. Chopper's other forms don't sell as well.
Hope that answered your question!
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Sooooo when we getting Wiper's score?
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Chopper
Love: He is extremely cute, is stronger than he thinks and can be fooled very easily. Although he never really took the centre-stage since his own arc, he is one of the most reliable and likeable SH. For me, his close friendship with Luffy and Usopp is one of the best things about One Piece.
Loathe: I don't think anyone can really hate Chopper for anything. People say his post-time skip is disappointing, but I love him still.
5/5
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Love: That he fights with transformations. I really like his monster point (thoug it looks a bit stupid). He fit well into the crew pretty soon after his introduction. He gave instruction to Law while strapped to his head for at least one panel.
Hate: I always thought Chopper was too fearful and was way stronger than Nami or Usopp to be together with them in a weakling trio. That his transformations were used as a base to completely change him graphically. His head is bigger than his body now in hibrid form, and his transformations lost anything reindeer about them. Being too naive doesn't fit that much with being a doctor.
4/5 (most of his flaws aren't about the character itself)
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Love: Chopper has a pretty interesting yet tragic backstory. He was treated as an outcast by both humans and reindeer, so seeing him finally find a home and family with Dr Hiruluk (and later, the Strawhats) was heartwarming. His multiple forms are also pretty cool.
Loathe: For someone who was rejected by his own species for most of his life, Chopper is strangely naive and trusting. A little bit too much, in fact. His gullibility doesn't make for many funny gags, and it becomes annoying when spread out too long (thinking of the fake Strawhats here). I'm also going to echo the sentiment that his non-Brain Point forms are severely underused (He only used Jumping Point twice I think? Before it was combined into Kung Fu Point).
3/5
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Love: His personality and cuteness;
Loathe: That the power of the human human fruit allows him to make his horns bigger, or enhance other reindeer parts that a human doesn't have.Score: 5/5
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Oh yeah. Bond en vant reminds me of chopper's brain point that allows him to know the enemies' weakness.
Thats criminally underused.
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Sooooo when we getting Wiper's score?
Wiper's APE is only partially written. I will post it tomorrow along side Chopper's APE. It is a little hard to keep up when work gets crazy but I have tomorrow off so I can catch up.
Sorry to all of you guys who post in this thread regularly, I know this last week was a little off. I will try to bring back some consistency for this coming week.
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I don't know if you know this, but people in Japan are CRAZY about Chopper. He is the most popular character from the most popular series of all time - to get an idea of this, you can try this article: ithinkincomics.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/one-piece-isnt-an-anime-its-a-way-of-life.
Of course, it would be natural for Oda to draw him more human-y from the start, before he was so popular, because people will identify much more with human looking characters. (Which is why it's rare to get non-humanoid looking aliens in Sci-Fi.) But then fans went nuts over him, and he started raking in cash for those who own the rights because people are buying plushies and shit. I don't know if Oda decided on his own to start exploiting Chopper's cuteness or if an executive asked him to, but yeah. In some ways, it's all about the money. (See: Nami's expanding breasts.) It hurts a little to know that it's not all Oda's quirky imagination, but there's a business to it. Chopper's other forms don't sell as well.
You weren't talking to me, but that is a really interesting blog post. I don't think even Dragon Ball itself was as crazily popular.
Some of these merchadising was weird, like putting Luffy and Zoro on the wrapping of bath salts(They bathe one a week apparently).What stood out to me was whole books devoted to analyzing the philosophy and soul of One Piece. I want/need that translated, so I can buy it! It almost reminds me, unfortunately, of a Bleach Asylum over-analysis, but since it's One Piece, I would probably enjoy it far more than cynical people would think I should. But I'm sure Oda makes his themes pretty clear.
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Man don't even worry about it. Life comes first.
Love: Chopper is going to be the best doctor the world has ever seen. I highly value his skills with medicine over his fighting abilities. In fact, I believe his specialization to crew should be more pronounced in upcoming arcs like it was with Punk Hazard when he treated those kids.
Loathe: Of all the Strawhats he honestly is my least favorite but that's like saying of all the songs on my favorite album, this one is my least favorite. I still love him, he's just not as appealing as his older peers.
4/5
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I don't know if you know this, but people in Japan are CRAZY about Chopper. He is the most popular character from the most popular series of all time - to get an idea of this, you can try this article: ithinkincomics.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/one-piece-isnt-an-anime-its-a-way-of-life.
Of course, it would be natural for Oda to draw him more human-y from the start, before he was so popular, because people will identify much more with human looking characters. (Which is why it's rare to get non-humanoid looking aliens in Sci-Fi.) But then fans went nuts over him, and he started raking in cash for those who own the rights because people are buying plushies and shit. I don't know if Oda decided on his own to start exploiting Chopper's cuteness or if an executive asked him to, but yeah. In some ways, it's all about the money. (See: Nami's expanding breasts.) It hurts a little to know that it's not all Oda's quirky imagination, but there's a business to it. Chopper's other forms don't sell as well.
Hope that answered your question!
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In Oda's original sketch Chopper was a smoking reindeer swordsmen. lol He's had quite a makeover if you compare that to the actual Chopper.
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In Oda's original sketch Chopper was a smoking reindeer swordsmen. lol He's had quite a makeover if you compare that to the actual Chopper.
The original Luke from Star Wars was going to be an old man, while Han Solo was going to be a green alien. Things gotta change for audience appeal!
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You weren't talking to me, but that is a really interesting blog post.
Thanks!
What stood out to me was whole books devoted to analyzing the philosophy and soul of One Piece. I want/need that translated, so I can buy it! It almost reminds me, unfortunately, of a Bleach Asylum over-analysis, but since it's One Piece, I would probably enjoy it far more than cynical people would think I should. But I'm sure Oda makes his themes pretty clear.
Yeah, One Piece ain't exactly Serial Experiments Lain. Still, those books do sound rather good… But I bought a little One Piece related book - it was mostly trivia - and it really sucked. Like, they got Blackbeard's real name wrong, and they gave character profiles but basically all they said about Robin is that she has big boobs. (She's my favorite character and that REALLY pissed me off.) So those might be kinda crap too. I could probably write an entire book on the series, but that's just because I'm stupidly into it. It'd probably be mostly to do with characters. I have SO many thoughts on the characters.
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CHOPPAAA
Love: He's cute as hell, I love his gags, and he is a great addition to the SHs. I loved his back story.
Loathe: Definitely a little too mascot-y at times. I'll get on board with the other people who are saying that we should see his other forms more often.
4/5
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Love: - Oda thought up some really original ways of playing with the rather limited Zoan ability users, making Chopper one of the most original and creative fighters around.
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He has one of the best running gags in the series, the one where he doesn't know how to properly hide behind doors/walls, and he basically stands out in plain sight. Of course, he still manages to not be found, so suspension of disbelieve is a must on those occasions, but considering this is one of the wackiest adventure comic books around, I guess we can all manage that.
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The character concept is truly bonkers. A reindeer that eats a human fruit and wants to become a doctor.
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He's had some good development, even post time skip. In fact, he had some incredibly painful drama during Punk Hazard, where he constantly blamed himself for what happened to Mochia and was truly saddened. It seemed to be building to something awesome, till. . .
Loathe: -. . .it all came down to King Law the Ist, the Awesomest Human Being on the Planet doing his cool thingies and saving all the kids himself. Chopper tried to find a cure for their drugged up bodies, worked on the antidote, but in the end, what truly saves the kids is Law chopping them up, getting rid of the poison, and that's it. End of the medical drama that could've pushed Chopper's character further. Wasted opportunity.
- Been said a thousand times, but yeah, Chopper's diabetes levels of cuteness + girls boobies getting bigger and bigger (to the point Oda promised during the last Jump Festa that the trend would continue) are like the constant remainder to us, the audience, that One Piece is the biggest seeling product in Japan, and thus it has to be marketeable. I don't think Oda has sold his soul to the devils of money making advertisement whores, and One Piece is still quite "true" and "honest", but this kind of stuff that exists for the sole purpose of selling EVEN MORE merch and stuff feels like a bit of a bummer, specially on such a huge manga as One Piece.
Overall, Chopper is still a great concept and a pretty entertaining character, if only tainted by his label of "walking marketing magnet".
Score: 4/5.
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Love: His backstory, his quirks and his interaction with the crew.
Loathe: Chopper got a bit shafted after the Time-skip. I don't mind the cuter design or the new transformations, though I preferred the old ones and I think these new ones are a bit random. But Chopper is lacking in awesome and memorable moments after the time-skip. The only one was him revealing he has come to terms with the fact that he's a monster at Fishman Island. I wish he showed how much he improved with his medicine by curing the kids in Punk Hazard instead of Law. I also don't really like most of his fights.
4/5
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Chopper:
Love: His Transformations- The only person to exhibit such versatility when it comes to the DF powers. Initially, his original 7 were a blast to see how he used them. His Horn port was great the way it was drawn, his jumping point was cool, arm point was amazing and guard point exceptionally useful. Then came the time skip. To add even more transformation makes me interested in what other growth can chopper accomplish with his medicine? He's able to now control his monster point, arguably his Strongest known point… his human form is amazing as well, especially when he quoted becoming a monster for luffy and not caring how he looks anymore. His new guardpoint is pretty much the same so nothing big there but his new horn point, i was slightly a bit disappointed but in the grand scheme of things still expect good stuff from it. His kungfu point is the biggest disappointment for me out of all his transformation. Personally felt Oda should have gave him the stature of Bruce lee. All in all his transformation are amazing and cant wait to see what else he has in store.
Loathe: His Gullibility - he's just way too naive. At 15 i could kind of see it because he grew up so secluded but because he was so feared growing up i never expected it. either way i accepted it. But after the 2 year time-skip and travelling the grandline, just doesnt feel right, its like he hasn't grown in this department at all.
3.5/5. Solid 70%, would give him a 75% but the only other higher option is 80% and i dont think he deserves it so yea; solid 70%.
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- He has one of the best running gags in the series, the one where he doesn't know how to properly hide behind doors/walls, and he basically stands out in plain sight. Of course, he still manages to not be found, so suspension of disbelieve is a must on those occasions, but considering this is one of the wackiest adventure comic books around, I guess we can all manage that.
I thought Chopper's running gag was his extreme naivety and gullibility. (Ex. Believing Sogeking wasn't Ussop with Luffy, believing the fake SHs were his crewmates and Nami being a man.) Did he hid behind the door on as many occasions as this?
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Love: Chopper is, putting simply, lovely.
He is cute, he is funny, he is brave, he is a coward, he is strong, he is frail. I really don't see a reason to not like this guy. His fight with Gedatsu is one of the best moments in One Piece, his "hiding" gag always works, his flashback is easily the one that makes me cry the most.
The only downside in his character is the lack of potential for development. I can see Chopper getting stronger, but his personality doesn't really allow any kind of new development.Loathe: His new Horn Point. "Loathe" is the perfect word to describe how I feel towards it. I mean… the hell? The old one was simply beautiful, the new is a ridiculous reindeer-bishonen. At least the Kung Fu Point somehow compensated for it.
4/5
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3/5, I don't like the repetitive jokes.
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Loathe: For someone who was rejected by his own species for most of his life, Chopper is strangely naive and trusting. A little bit too much, in fact. His gullibility doesn't make for many funny gags, and it becomes annoying when spread out too long (thinking of the fake Strawhats here).
I'd have to respectfully disagree with you there (for the most part). I think Chopper wants to be mistrustful of people, but his brain works in such a different way than humans that it doesn't work out for him. He might have eaten the Hito Hito no Mi, but he's still got his reindeer instincts. What use for deception or disguises do animals have? So Chopper might say he hates/won't listen to humans, but he simply doesn't understand some of our ways of doing things. Plus, when would he really have learned how people normally interact? I don't think either Hiluluk or Kureha where particularly good teachers in that regard. Or at least that's what I believe.
Now, I do think it's gone too far as of late. He's a smart little reindeer who was able to stop a bunch of birds and humans from fighting each other, and he's two years older now. I think Oda, for all his characters, should show some more development rather than falling back on old gags. (I think we all agree Sanji's gone too far.) Still love all of them though.
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Wiper's Arlong Park Evaluation
What you loved:
- The God Killer – Wiper's extraordinary determination to kill the man who belittled his people was appreciated by you guys. His use of the reject dial, which he used to eventually kill Enel (momentarily) was mentioned many times by you guys.
- The Pride for his People – Wiper is a proud Shandian with very close ties to his past. His involvement in the much loved Norland/Calgara flashback was also mentioned many times.
- Moral Ambiguity – One Piece has many characters that live within the realms of black or white, good or evil. In that world Wiper is a refreshing hue of gray.
Favorite comment goes to Lao G:
"Love: His badasness. Probably the most proud and cool looking character of all times (rivaling only probably Zoro), who knows how to get things done. When he "killed" Enel, a shiver went down my spine on how terrifying this guy can be. Of course I didn't even think of Enel going down so easily, but it still felt as the best try amongst all of the "contestants" of Enel's game. His resolve to save his hometown - that is what made me think of him so highly. His will to live and deliver the message to Cricket, that was the probably the life source of his coolness.
His fighting style. It really felt good to see a fighting style, completely different from any other styles we've seen in the story (swordsmanship, fists etc.) up to that moment in time. His Burn Bazooka was monstrously strong (yet I'm disappointed in it not burning through the snake's belly) and Axe Dials were also great. Using Reject 3 times and actually surviving is a feat, only one with a strong desire to protect something he loves, can hope to pull out. "
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- Unrelenting Violence - Wiper was a little one-note. Some found it boring. Some just found his constant hostility (towards the Skypieans, Strawhats and even his own people) off putting. This one was by far the number one choice. “Asshole” “Stubborn” and “Extremist” were all used.
- Easy Redemption – There was not a lot of patterns to be found in the loathe section since most of the loathes were variations of the above. Still, some didn't like that his horrible actions and attitude led to little consequence and that he was eventually forgiven easily.
Favorite comment goes to Crossword:
_"_Loathe: I remember someone here once describing him as having all the personality of an angry potato and that's certainly true. His barely-restrained and misplaced anger were one of the defining aspects of his character, but that didn't do much to make him a likeable one. Him using the Reject Dial a third time also strained my suspension of disbelief given that it seemed to outright kill two of its targets earlier."
Finally,the poll! With 24 votes, Wiper's average score is…3.10!
Thanks to all that responded! I will post Chopper's APE later on tonight. First, let's start our new L&L.
**Love & Loathe #20** Let's get our chop-chop on! It's time to evaluate: **Buggy the Clown** ![](http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130524154158/onepiece/images/0/05/Buggy_Manga_Pre_Timeskip_Infobox.png) ("Bring on your sharpest comments.") Flashy...**Here's the deal**: We are looking to hyper-critique a character to try and pinpoint what makes them great and what makes them terrible. After enough people respond, I will organize what are the best and worst traits of the character, and compile an evaluation post later. Also,don't worry if you have the same answers as others,the point is to figure out a **common denominator** for the character. So the two questions for you are: What **one** thing do you consistently **love** about Buggy? What **one** thing do you consistently **loathe** about Buggy? **And give Buggy a rating of between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest(.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.** **This will be a **48 hour** evaluation. Enjoy.
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Well there are the villains we love to hate (Spandam), the villains we can't help but admire their style and pomp (Crocodile, maybe Doflamingo) and then there's this guy.
Love: He's a great take on a comic relief character in a manga with an already absurd enough premise.
For starters, just look at how his DF fruit power emphasises his clownish nature for me, especially how his use (or rather amateurish use) ties in to his character. Lots of people have made the case about Devil Fruits not being powerful, just that their owners are masters of the powers and the inverse can be seen with Buggy. I mean, this is a guy who could survive Mihawk's slashes! And he trained on the Gol D. Roger's crew! Next to one of the four Emperors! Imagine if he'd shown greater skill, flexibility and control in mastering his gliding in the air.
And what happened instead - he became a damn bum. He's let his shortsighted goals of immature greed get the better of him and he never bothers exercising the full potential he has. It's a self-inflicted pitfall he's thrown himself into, as opposed to other comic relief tropes where such characters are normally screwed by circumstance (straight guy in world of loons, average guy overshadowed by awesome strength, etc.). It really makes a clown out of him, seeing him screwed over by his own brash decisions.
Ironically, when he finally attains power during the timeskip era, it becomes more hilarious, as if to exaggerate his clownish stature as he's now technically a big player on the pirate field now but with no real power.
Loathe: He needs to be fleshed out more, especially once we see him as Great Warlord 'Genius Jester' Buggy. Hopefully he continues being a wackjob.
Rating:4/5
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Chopper's Arlong Park Evaluation
What you loved:
- A Hero's Journey – Chopper's personal character journey has to be one of the most interesting and expansive in One Piece. He has gone from the character with no home, isolated and abandoned to a character with friends that eventually embraced his bizarrely monster-like appearance.
- Doctor Who? - Doctor Chopper. That's who. As with the previous Strawhat members that we have evaluated you guys appreciate Chopper's place within the crew. He is smart and compassionate, he truly cares for those that he is tending to and he caries the spirit of the doctors that he has learned from proudly. Add to that that Chopper uses his medical knowledge to enhance his devil fruit and you guys love this about him.
- Transforming Cute Monster – Transformations are cool. A lot of you guys like his look. He is cute, terrifying and strange all at once. It is one of Oda's crazier character concepts yet he makes it work.
- A Real Mugiwara – This was interestingly juxtaposed to Brook's evaluation. While many feel that Brook has yet to truly mesh with his fellow shipmates many feel that Chopper felt as though he was part of the family strait away. He has a very unique dynamic with all of the strawhats. My personal favorite interactions are always the ones he has with Zoro.
- His Father's Son – Chopper's flashback is one of the most loved in the entire series and that has everything to do with his relationship with the love-able Dr Hiriluk.
Favorite comment goes to Kirk:
“Love: The old Chopper”
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What you loathed:
- Sugar-Coated Cute Mascot – Far and away the number one loathe. Chopper was once a “ugly fat dog” lined with cuteness. Now, he is a full blown big headed uber cute mascot. It's a little sad to see the bottom line highlighted so clearly in something as pure and fun as One Piece but there it is.
- Brain Point Default - A lot of you guys wished his typical look was something other than brain point, or that he at least switched it up more. This goes a little hand in hand with loathe #1.
- The New Transformations – Many of you guys miss the old batch of transformations and arent too fond of some of Chopper's newer looks, like Kung Fu Point.
- Why So Scared? - Some of you felt that Chopper was a little too much of a bitch about things sometimes. He is far physically stronger than Usopp and Nami and yet he is labeled as a member of the weakling trio with them. It is unfortunate.
Favorite comment goes to Kirk:
“__Loathe: The new Chopper_“_
Finally,the poll! With 25 votes, Chopper's average score is…4.42! Chopper is our new highest rated Strawhat and 5th overall!
Thanks to all that responded! I will post my next pick later on today. Here's the HINT: It's Buggy! Keep the Buggy comments coming and I'll see you soon.
Until then.
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Love
Like Pachylad mentioned above, Buggy is his own kind of villain.
He has a great power with lots of possibilities, worked beneath none other than the pirate king himself, knows one of the Yonko… just reading his backstory facts without seeing the character would make him seem like a legend. But what do we get? A goddamn, greedy clown. And it is wonderful.I love how Buggy has almost been a deuteragonist during this whole series. He was introduced very early on, almost being the first villain to appear in the present - outbeaten only by Alvida. But ever since then he has actually stayed in the series and popped up every now an then. There's been the whole chibi adventure, to him meeting with Ace, getting captured... and like Luffy, he has also (in- or unintentionally) expanded his crew with the likes of Alvida, Galdino and the prisoners. The whole Buggy being the prisoners' savior is one of the most hilarious events in the entire series, and helped lighten the mood of the war. As long as he doesn't take up too much space, I like this guy. He's kinda like a newspaper story - you read about it every now and then and get updated, but you don't actually want to read a book about all of it.
His crew is also one of the most interesting, and I love the dynamic between them - you got a clown, a former baroque-agent, a beautiful pirate, an acrobat, a lion tamer, the lion and then a bunch of mislead and incredibly dangerous prisoners and all of them play off each other wonderfully. Its a dynamic we rarely see in any pirate crew aside from the strawhats, and it is refreshing. The three-way alliance between Buggy, Alvida and Galdino is another of my favorite parts, as it doesn't seem like any one of them holds complete authority over each other, instead being something like friend or co-workers.
He also has fabulous blue hair.
Loathe
Not much, to be honest. I really want to see what he is up to right now.4.5/5