why not? There's a week to spare. It'll AMUSE me!
Chapter 725 "The undefeated woman"
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dragon ball talk really guys? lol
I don't like DBZ.. Always arguing with my brother saying one piece is better.
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Nope
Now that is a "Mortal Kombat theory".
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and those who has the D
Sorry but hahahaha that's funny.
Immaturity level 99.
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Dragon ball abridged make me interested dragon ball again, especialy Nappa.
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We do, in fact, even have a whole thread dedicated to ERBoH. As topical as that might be, you may want to take the discussion there. :P
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luffy will fight akainu/marines/world govt on his way to raftel, BB on raftel (final boss), shanks in front of one piece (secret boss). luffy vs shanks is a must :wub:
first the straw hats + allies will fight the marines/world govt and settles stuffs like void century, fishman migration, etc. next is straw hat pirates (only) vs BB and his crew and finish stuffs like ace and D. finally luffy (only) vs shanks as the final hurdle to become the pirate king. let's say roger asked shanks a special request to guard one piece (he did give shanks his hat, there must be something).
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luffy will fight akainu/marines/world govt on his way to raftel, BB on raftel (final boss), shanks in front of one piece (secret boss). luffy vs shanks is a must :wub:
first the straw hats + allies will fight the marines/world govt and settles stuffs like void century, fishman migration, etc. next is straw hat pirates (only) vs BB and his crew and finish stuffs like ace and D. finally luffy (only) vs shanks as the final hurdle to become the pirate king. let's say roger asked shanks a special request to guard one piece (he did give shanks his hat, there must be something).
I'm not sure you even follow one piece series… Why in da hell would Luffy fight the WG? Are you forgetting that WB said- th world will go into war when one piece is found, so according to you Luffy vs BLackbeard is that war?
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How I feel this week…
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How I feel this week…
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lmfao wtf did I just read
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Just a heads up it's Shichibukai.
Ahh I've been using Shishibukai for ages but Thanks buddy
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Ahh I've been using Shishibukai for ages but Thanks buddy
I've just realized what will become of Moria.
He will form his own elite group of pirates, known as the Kishishibukai.
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@Panda:
I've just realized what will become of Moria.
He will form his own elite group of pirates, known as the Kishishibukai.
And then he will ally his organization with Buggy's
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Anyways, we can now see the utter importance of Jimbei to the strawhats. Had he been here, he would've named the plan, it would've been taken seriously, none of this would've happened. Everybody would already happily be on their way to Zou.
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even counting blackbeard as the final villain,i don't think a burgess vs lucy will spoil the pathos from the final confrontation..both the blackbeard pirates and the mugiwara are on a path to develop and strenghthen themselves (the BB pirates with the devil fruit hunt,the mugiwara through their travel),so the siuation can change from here to the final battle…as a matter of fact Luffy and Blackbeard were roughly on par with each other before teach ate the gura-gura IMHO..they are bound to develop together
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as a matter of fact Luffy and Blackbeard were roughly on par with each other before teach ate the gura-gura IMHO..
Um, nothing whatsoever suggests this.
they are bound to develop together
Except Blackbeard is way ahead of Luffy atm. Inarguably. He's a Yonkou.
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even counting blackbeard as the final villain,i don't think a burgess vs lucy will spoil the pathos from the final confrontation..both the blackbeard pirates and the mugiwara are on a path to develop and strenghthen themselves (the BB pirates with the devil fruit hunt,the mugiwara through their travel),so the siuation can change from here to the final battle…as a matter of fact **Luffy and Blackbeard were roughly on par with each other before teach ate the gura-gura IMHO..**they are bound to develop together
:blink: They really weren't.
Would be nice if Luffy is the one to anger BB for once. And Luffy doesn't even have to actually defeat Burgess in a full out battle Lucci style to piss off BB. Luffy running off with the fruit, or even managing to "beat" Burgess by ring out should suffice.
Though I'm most likely wrong, and Burgess leaves DR with a big smile on his face, just like MK suggests.
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@Monkey:
Um, nothing whatsoever suggests this.
their brief encounter at impel down was a tie,both got a hit and both were damaged but still ready to fight again.
also,given their special abilities,they are both tough cookies for each other..teach can surpass the natural defense from physical attacks given by the gomu-gomu),and luffy,being a pure brawler, (and one of the best we have seen till now,only lucci managed to go toe to toe with him in a straight fist fight),it's the worst kind of opponent for teach that takes double pain (and damage if i remeber well) from attacks,and being a pirate whose main strategy (before he got the gura gura) was to go at close range and maim his opponent with pure strenght,like he did with ace.Except Blackbeard is way ahead of Luffy atm. Inarguably. He's a Yonkou.
luffy is at the moment on war with a yonkou and trying to take on another one ,and the first yonkou fight,in onepiece-time,is not gonna take long to happen (their journey through half the gtand line was of a couple of months,maybe 6 at best).Also,i said they were on par pre-gura gura,not now at the moment,but that doesn't mean that both teach and luffy can get stronger from now till their final confrontation.
also,while strenght is a big part of what gives you the title of yonkou,it's not the only thing..territories and power are a big part too…
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their brief encounter at impel down was a tie,
You need to reread that if you think we saw even remotely enough to call it a fight. Or that it looked like a tie.
also,given their special abilities,they are both tough cookies for each other..teach can surpass the natural defense from physical attacks given by the gomu-gomu),and luffy,being a pure brawler, (and one of the best we have seen till now,only lucci managed to go toe to toe with him in a straight fist fight),it's the worst kind of opponent for teach that takes double pain (and damage if i remeber well) from attacks,and being a pirate whose main strategy (before he got the gura gura) was to go at close range and maim his opponent with pure strenght,like he did with ace.
Again, this is the problem with pure power level talk. You ignore narrative.
Narratively it makes like no sense that Blackbeard would be equal to Luffy pre-time skip.luffy is at the moment on war with a yonkou and trying to take on another one ,
lol, are you even reading this comic? Come on.
What, did Law's plan go "we walk up and punch him". They're going about it entirely in an asymetrial warfare way.
And like I said, it makes zero sense NARRATIVELY to think Luffy and Blackbeard are equal.
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You need to reread that if you think we saw even remotely enough to call it a fight. Or that it looked like a tie.
never said it was a "complete" fight,but it's also the only confrontation between the two we have seen.
Again, this is the problem with pure power level talk. You ignore narrative.
Narratively it makes like no sense that Blackbeard would be equal to Luffy pre-time skip.why exactly?if it's "because it is the final villain" he became it when he ate the gura gura,adding tremendous destructive powers to his abilities and becoming "the first man who got two devil fruits".But before?he was a dude with a great ambition and a good plan,why should he need to be stronger than luffy from a narrative standpoint ?
also,i'm not talking about "power levels",actually,i don't think onepiece has "power levels" at all,i'm just analyzing their strenghts and weaknesses given what we saw in the manga (and i didn't even took into consideration that blackbeard is one of the slowest characters in the series,while luffy is one of the fastest…)
lol, are you even reading this comic? Come on.
What, did Law's plan go "we walk up and punch him". They're going about it entirely in an asymetrial warfare way.and you really think,from a "narrative standpoint",that this plan will not end in a one vs one of luffy vs kaidou?how many times the final boss of a saga was depicted as immensely stronger than him,and still every time it is him alone who fights him?the only one who escaped this routine was magellan,but the objective was not taking him out.most of law's plan is to take off the picture the insane amount of subordinates and "military" power that surrounds a yonkou..as law said,if you took it straight on,you will meet wave after wave of subordinates and never see the captain,let alone fight with him.
And like I said, it makes zero sense NARRATIVELY to think Luffy and Blackbeard are equal.
Christ, he's a rival character he's always supposed to be somewhat ahead of the hero until the end.again,before the gura gura they were ROUGHLY equal (no way to say who was stronger);after obtaining the gura gura,teach made a HUGE leap in strenght (remeber all the fuss about the "menace of the gura-gura" still being in the onepiece world during marineford?),and it is currently stronger,but that doens't mean that he is going to sit on his ass from now till the end not improving himself of his crew in the least..in fact,we know that he is searching for fruits to strenghthen his crew..so even if burgess gets beaten now,that doesn't mean that when he will fight..i don't know, zoro, in the last fights he will be the same burgess we have now,and maybe he will have eat a fruit by then.
that being said,i'm not saying that he will not get away with the mera mera in this arc,that's definitely a possibility,but only that if he gets beaten,or he just does "not win",that will not mean that suddenly the blackbeard's crew is less menacing and less of a "final boss crew" from a "narrative standpoint"
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as a matter of fact Luffy and Blackbeard were roughly on par with each other before teach ate the gura-gura IMHO..they are bound to develop together
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Something is wrong.
added the IMHo later because the statement seemed too extreme,and forgot to cancel the other one :P
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never said it was a "complete" fight,but it's also the only confrontation between the two we have seen.
Luffy wouldn't have been able to defeat him.. Jinbei stopped Luffy from attacking and remember BB is a logia, different type of Logia but Luffy didn't have the Haki to defeat him then or now.
and you really think,from a "narrative standpoint",that this plan will not end in a one vs one of luffy vs kaidou?how many times the final bos of a saga was depicted as immensely stronger than him,and still every time it is him alone who fights him?the only one who escaped this routine was magellan,but the objective was not taking him out.most of law's plan is to take off the picture the insane amount of subordinates and "military" power that surrounds a yonkou..as law said,if you took it straight on,you will meet wave after wave of subordinates and never see the captain,let alone fight with him
Umm. This isn't a shichibukai or CP9 agent.. This is the strongest creature in the world, and remember Moria? Someone who was tough? Kaido killed his whole former crew..
And so military power makes a Yonko weak? They need that defense because the Yonko is weak? Look at whitebeard. He had really good military power and he was really strong at 70 years of age even after his massive wounds.again,before the gura gura they were ROUGHLY equal (no way to say who was stronger);after obtaining the gura gura,teach made a HUGE ethen. leap in strenght (remeber all the fuss about the "menace of the gura-gura" still being in the onepiece world during marineford?),and it is currently stronger,but that doens't mean that he is going to sit on his ass from now till the end not improving himself of his crew in the least..in fact,we know that he is searching for fruits to strenghthen his crew..so even if burgess gets beaten now,that doesn't mean that when he will fight..i don't know, zoro, in the last fights he will be the same burgess we have now,and maybe he will have eat a fruit by then
Umm he beat ace? So if Luffy were to fight Ace he would beat him? Ace was a second division commander of a Yonkos crew. Once again BB is a logia and Luffy couldn't beat him pre time skip or post. (yet). Luffy able to one on one Kaido and BB? Luffy would struggle against Doflamingo if or when he fights.
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This is why having a sensible debate can be tedious on this forums. It seems some read posts like they read the Manga i.e from right to left. At which point did he say Luffy will beat Ace or did any power comparison? All Maju did was to to analyze both Luffy and BB strengths and weaknesses based on the cameo we saw at Impel down. Even though I don't agree with it, I understand where he's coming from.
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Going off track a bit, the last few chapters showed that Doflamingo's "threads" (or "strings" if you will) are very tangible and physical, right?
This means you can kick it off, burn it or cut it. Right..?
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I think the reason Oda picked off Shura early in Skypiea was because he didn't want to get too detailed with string fights before Dofla.
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Seriously what's wrong with you guys?? I don't agree or disagree with what Maju is saying, his statement is neither true nor wrong because in the manga itself the only confrontation of BB and Luffy ended equally for both.
Yeah true BB is above Luffy now but back then in impel down, Oda wrote it off as- "Very pissed of Luffy" was a match for Blackbeard there and then.. Oda has clearly/easily shown people being superior to Luffy in first confrontation(Aokiji, Croc, Lucci etc) to prove how superior they were against Luffy, but he didn't show BB being superior in that first confrontation for some reason… -
Going off track a bit, the last few chapters showed that Doflamingo's "threads" (or "strings" if you will) are very tangible and physical, right?
This means you can kick it off, burn it or cut it. Right..?
I imagine you can burn it or cut it but I don't think kicking would work. You just have to make them loose so they don't take damage.
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Grandmaster ZOLO needs your vote in the AP character tourney! Go vote for the Grandmaster NOW!!!
Ap character thread where is it at? Finding the thread has always been a problem for me..
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Did he kill goku's friend or family or was the main cause of their death?? then i don't think killing some bystanders who had least emotional value to the goku would make him a permanent enemy or make vegeta's action greater than blackbeard..
The discussion was that Vegeta's actions weren't that substancial to turn good/befriend Goku. He has done far more than BB will ever do. He destroyed planets, Blackbeard was a dick. If for some reason BB joins Luffy's side (doubt it), I don't see it with him ending up killing one of the Strawhats first.
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@Toraish:
We do, in fact, even have a whole thread dedicated to ERBoH. As topical as that might be, you may want to take the discussion there. :P
Ain't no one interested in a "LONE THREAD" /"NO MAN's THREAD"..
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Ap character thread where is it at? Finding the thread has always been a problem for me..
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This is why having a sensible debate can be tedious on this forums. It seems some read posts like they read the Manga i.e from right to left. At which point did he say Luffy will beat Ace or did any power comparison? All Maju did was to to analyze both Luffy and BB strengths and weaknesses based on the cameo we saw at Impel down. Even though I don't agree with it, I understand where he's coming from.
Simple. BB > Luffy.
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Going off track a bit, the last few chapters showed that Doflamingo's "threads" (or "strings" if you will) are very tangible and physical, right?
This means you can kick it off, burn it or cut it. Right..?
I don't think burn because the Meteor was on fire and he cut it easily with threads/strings.
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Luffy wouldn't have been able to defeat him.. Jinbei stopped Luffy from attacking and remember BB is a logia, different type of Logia but Luffy didn't have the Haki to defeat him then or now.
but you don't need haki to attack BB,it's clearly stated,it's a special logia because his body is solid.jinbe stopped luffy because fighting BB would have taken too much time and they were in a hurry.
Umm. This isn't a shichibukai or CP9 agent.. This is the strongest creature in the world, and remember Moria? Someone who was tough? Kaido killed his whole former crew..
And so military power makes a Yonko weak? They need that defense because the Yonko is weak? Look at whitebeard. He had really good military power and he was really strong at 70 years of age even after his massive wounds.where did i said that the yonkou is weak? ò_ò
Umm he beat ace? So if Luffy were to fight Ace he would beat him? Ace was a second division commander of a Yonkos crew. Once again BB is a logia and Luffy couldn't beat him pre time skip or post. (yet). Luffy able to one on one Kaido and BB? Luffy would struggle against Doflamingo if or when he fights.
onepiece is not dragonball..there is no "A defeat B and B defeat C,so A MUST defeat C easily"..ace was a logia an his entire fighting style was build around the mera-mera,once stripped by his power he didn't have any other weapon..especially against an "anti-logia" like blackbeard.If you take away from luffy his powers,he can still dig a knuckle in your skull like he did several times..add to that that BB takes double damage to every attack and it is extremely slow (the "he never dodged once in the entire series " kind of slow),and you can see why luffy would be a tougher opponent for blackbeard than ace was (of course we are talking about before he ate the gura-gura,that was a big game changer)
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This logic can easily be turned around against you. BB took direct hits from WB and still kept on going to almost taking on Marineford by himself.
Now, what does that tell you?
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This logic can easily be turned around against you. BB took direct hits from WB and still kept on going to almost taking on Marineford by himself.
Now, what does that tell you?
that he took a single hit,we have yet to see how his resistance and stamina go in a full fight,even though he is a pretty resistant character anyway,it is part of his fighting style to be able to withstand attacks after all,because he can't dodge for shit while mostly fighting at close range.
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but you don't need haki to attack BB,it's clearly stated,it's a special logia because his body is solid.jinbe stopped luffy because fighting BB would have taken too much time and they were in a hurry.
where did i said that the yonkou is weak? ò_ò
onepiece is not dragonball..there is no "A defeat B and B defeat C,so A MUST defeat C easily"..ace was a logia an his entire fighting style was build around the mera-mera,once stripped by his power he didn't have any other weapon..especially against an "anti-logia" like blackbeard.If you take away from luffy his powers,he can still dig a knuckle in your skull like he did several times..add to that that BB takes double damage to every attack and it is extremely slow (the "he never dodged once in the entire series " kind of slow),and you can see why luffy would be a tougher opponent for blackbeard than ace was (of course we are talking about before he ate the gura-gura,that was a big game changer)
There is something you need to know, yes BB is considered a "solid" logia, however it's because he takes in damage. Now think about the damage he took from Ace at the island and Whitebeard during the war, he took it quite well and you also have to consider the amount of experience BB has over Luffy.
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jinbe stopped luffy because fighting BB would have taken too much time and they were in a hurry.
But he also warned him that BB is too strong and has been unpredictable strenghwise since he worked for Whitebeard.
Also Ruffy stated that he had never won against Ace back then even without his mera mera.
I know that was 10 years ago but I dont think this has changed much..
Also BB scarred shanks, a man who became a yonko without any df and in a shorter amount of time.
he even told whitebeard that this happend in a "fair" fight.that clash in impel down didnt look that even to me, because to me it always looks like "getting hit by the opponent and looking like this could've already ended the fight" is Teachs starter-move^^
by the way, maybe "it attracts pain" also means it can negate it. would explain why he first looks like hes gonna die, and 2 seconds later he stands up and it just looks like hes out of breath…
i think its save to assume that luffy wouldnt have stood a chance against Blackbeard even with gear 2&3
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that he took a single hit,we have yet to see how his resistance and stamina go in a full fight,even though he is a pretty resistant character anyway,it is part of his fighting style to be able to withstand attacks after all,because he can't dodge for shit while mostly fighting at close range.
A hit from a pissed off WB no less, two actually. Did I mention that he take double the damage too. And even Shanks was worried from him, and believe me, those bastards from level 6 won't follow someone weaker than them.
Anyway, this a power level talk. I'm out.
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I can see Cavendish rescuing Rebecca when she gets in trouble, and gracefully bowing out rather than fight her.
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But he also warned him that BB is too strong and has been unpredictable strenghwise since he worked for Whitebeard.
he never said that blackbeard was too strong for him,not in any translation i've read at least.
Also Ruffy stated that he had never won against Ace back then even without his mera mera.
I know that was 10 years ago but I dont think this has changed much..they were children back then,and they both evolved towards different kind of fighting styles in all those years..ace found the mera mera and became a long range fighter who heavely counts on his fruit in battle..luffy became a pure brawler,mainly increasing his physical strenght.also..time change things..moria fought on par (or so someone in the manga says) with kaidou,the "strongest creature in the world" right now..but moria doesn't seems such a powerhouse nowadays..same thing with shanks vs mihawk..they duelled tons of time in the past,but right now who can be considered stronger is a mistery.
Also BB scarred shanks, a man who became a yonko without any df and in a shorter amount of time.
he even told whitebeard that this happend in a "fair" fight.happened more than 12 years ago,even before shanks lost an arm to the sea monster out of foosha..the same creature luffy one-shotted 10 years later (yeah,it was not a straight fight,but it is just to put things into the right perspective..nowadays he would have just made it faint with haoshoku.)
the development speed of a fighter in onepiece is extremely fast…it took less than a year (more like 6 months at best)to go from the luffy of fusha to the luffy of marineford..think of how people can improve in a decade,and how the ranks can change.
that clash in impel down didnt look that even to me, because to me it always looks like "getting hit by the opponent and looking like this could've already ended the fight" is Teachs starter-move^^
nope,teach always gets hit because he is slow as a whale ashore,and it is always extremely painful to him because of his fruit
by the way, maybe "it attracts pain" also means it can negate it. would explain why he first looks like hes gonna die, and 2 seconds later he stands up and it just looks like hes out of breath…
that lacks any sense.teach is just extremely resistant because it's part of his fighting style..attract the opponent to you with the fruit and smash him with superior strenght trying to survive through the attacks you are gonna suffer for sure because you can't dodge,let alone at close range.
i think its save to assume that luffy wouldnt have stood a chance against Blackbeard even with gear 2&3
i still don't see why,but we are talking about a manga,as long as we can0t ask oda directly,we will never know for sure and your opinion is as good as mine.
A hit from a pissed off WB no less, two actually. Did I mention that he take double the damage too. And even Shanks was worried from him, and believe me, those bastards from level 6 won't follow someone weaker than them.
Anyway, this a power level talk. I'm out.
actually shiliew said that if teach wasn't able to get the gura-gura,they would have split up
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actually shiliew said that if teach wasn't able to get the gura-gura,they would have split up
No point in following a dead fatty, yo.
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There is something you need to know, yes BB is considered a "solid" logia, however it's because he takes in damage. Now think about the damage he took from Ace at the island and Whitebeard during the war, he took it quite well and you also have to consider the amount of experience BB has over Luffy.
he can take damage because it is solid,period.that's what ace said during their fight,his logia fruit don't have the "transform your own body into element" trait.and i didn'0t said it is not resistant,that doesn't mean he can't go down.experience can be a factor too,but it's not like luffy lacks experience too..he probably had more fights in six months that teach in most of his life.
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never said it was a "complete" fight,but it's also the only confrontation between the two we have seen.
why exactly?if it's "because it is the final villain" he became it when he ate the gura gura,adding tremendous destructive powers to his abilities and becoming "the first man who got two devil fruits".But before?he was a dude with a great ambition and a good plan,why should he need to be stronger than luffy from a narrative standpoint ?
also,i'm not talking about "power levels",actually,i don't think onepiece has "power levels" at all,i'm just analyzing their strenghts and weaknesses given what we saw in the manga (and i didn't even took into consideration that blackbeard is one of the slowest characters in the series,while luffy is one of the fastest…)
and you really think,from a "narrative standpoint",that this plan will not end in a one vs one of luffy vs kaidou?how many times the final boss of a saga was depicted as immensely stronger than him,and still every time it is him alone who fights him?the only one who escaped this routine was magellan,but the objective was not taking him out.most of law's plan is to take off the picture the insane amount of subordinates and "military" power that surrounds a yonkou..as law said,if you took it straight on,you will meet wave after wave of subordinates and never see the captain,let alone fight with him.
again,before the gura gura they were ROUGHLY equal (no way to say who was stronger);after obtaining the gura gura,teach made a HUGE leap in strenght (remeber all the fuss about the "menace of the gura-gura" still being in the onepiece world during marineford?),and it is currently stronger,but that doens't mean that he is going to sit on his ass from now till the end not improving himself of his crew in the least..in fact,we know that he is searching for fruits to strenghthen his crew..so even if burgess gets beaten now,that doesn't mean that when he will fight..i don't know, zoro, in the last fights he will be the same burgess we have now,and maybe he will have eat a fruit by then.
that being said,i'm not saying that he will not get away with the mera mera in this arc,that's definitely a possibility,but only that if he gets beaten,or he just does "not win",that will not mean that suddenly the blackbeard's crew is less menacing and less of a "final boss crew" from a "narrative standpoint"
He scarred Shanks's face before he even ate the Yami Yami no Mi. Shanks even brought up that fact to Whitebeard as a way of saying that Teach would be closer to their level than that of the commanders'. Luffy two years ago, in OP time, wasn't even comparable to commanders so how can he be anywhere near Blackbeard?
In both stature and power, Blackbeard's above Luffy and their little scene in Jaya could be interpreted as the latter acknowledging he's standing before someone great/above him and comparable to Shanks and Ace.
However, Luffy, upon hearing of Ace's capture up to Impel Down, didn't know who Blackbeard was or what he looked like. Since the story was approaching its "half-way mark", it was appropriate for Oda to formally introduce Blackbeard to Luffy as a rival. That was the purpose of their brief exchange in Impel Down, not showing where they stood in comparison with each other because the previous chapters already pointed out who was ahead, but just to start off this rivalry which will be one of the defining storylines in Luffy's quest to his dream.
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@Gol:
He scarred Shanks's face before he even ate the Yami Yami no Mi. Shanks even brought up that fact to Whitebeard as a way of saying that Teach would be closer to their level than that of the commanders'. Luffy two years ago, in OP time, wasn't even comparable to commanders so how can he be anywhere near Blackbeard?
no he didn't,he just did it to point how how dangerous of a man teach is..that wound was made more than 12 years ago,even before shanks met luffy.that scene was to establish teach as a dangerous man with insane ambition and a plan into motion (shanks said that with his strenght he could have became a division commander but didn't to keep a low profile,he never said that teach was close to a "yonkou" level.
In both stature and power, Blackbeard's above Luffy and their little scene in Jaya could be interpreted as the latter acknowledging he's standing before someone great/above him and comparable to Shanks and Ace.
wait,what scene are you talking about?
However, Luffy, upon hearing of Ace's capture up to Impel Down, didn't know who Blackbeard was or what he looked like. Since the story was approaching its "half-way mark", it was appropriate for Oda to formally introduce Blackbeard to Luffy as a rival. That was the purpose of their brief exchange in Impel Down, not showing where they stood in comparison with each other because the previous chapters already pointed out who was ahead, but just to start off this rivalry which will be one of the defining storylines in Luffy's quest to his dream.
teach was already a rival just by the fact that he captured ace,if oda really wanted teach to be leagues above luffy,their little "quarrel" would have been more one-sided probably
as i already said,we are not discussing dragonball here,there are no power levels in onepiece,just a set of abilities that everyone possess and that works more or less well against various opponents.think about the difference between the first fight between magellan and luffy and the second one,and how much luffy managed to do just by adding another factor (mr 3's powers) to the picture (just before magellan introduced another factor with the op poison who consumes everything).
going by simple "power level",magellan OHKO both blackbeard and his crew..does that mean he is yonkou material XD?@asm00200:
No point in following a dead fatty, yo.
he said it hen whitebeard was already dead and teach was doing something with WB body,so it was not a matter of dead or not,but more if teach could improve himself as a captain by eating the gura-gura or not.
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no he didn't,he just did it to point how how dangerous of a man teach is..that wound was made more than 12 years ago,even before shanks met luffy.that scene was to establish teach as a dangerous man with insane ambition and a plan into motion (shanks said that with his strenght he could have became a division commander but didn't to keep a low profile,he never said that teach was close to a "yonkou" level.
There's a reason why he wants Whitebeard to stop Ace from his pursuit.
If Shanks, from where he stood in the world 12 years ago, turned into an emperor, what more for the guy that wounded him back then? True, he doesn't explicitly state that Blackbeard is yonkou caliber, but it's been implied he views the latter as such.
wait,what scene are you talking about?
The scene when they went out of the bar and Blackbeard starts talking to them, understanding Luffy's reason in not fighting Bellamy and co. He remembers Ace and Shanks, the two people who he looks up to the most. So in that sense, he saw Blackbeard as someone comparable to those figures in his life.
teach was already a rival just by the fact that he captured ace,if oda really wanted teach to be leagues above luffy,their little "quarrel" would have been more one-sided probably
as i already said,we are not discussing dragonball here,there are no power levels in onepiece,just a set of abilities that everyone possess and that works more or less well against various opponents.think about the difference between the first fight between magellan and luffy and the second one,and how much luffy managed to do just by adding another factor (mr 3's powers) to the picture (just before magellan introduced another factor with the op poison who consumes everything).
going by simple "power level",magellan OHKO both blackbeard and his crew..does that mean he is yonkou material XD?
Everybody knew Teach was a rival after the Jaya arc. Except Luffy.
Luffy only found out who he was in Impel Down. He sees him as THE rival.At that point, there's no need for Oda to expand more on their fight because the difference in strength was already implied chapters, arcs, beforehand. If anything, he just needed a formal introduction of the main character to his primary antagonist. Given the placing of the scene, where the story was, the timing was perfect.
I didn't even go into a meticulously detailed power/combat discussion, I just stated the obvious; Blackbeard, from the start of the series up to where it is now, is leagues above Luffy.
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he said it hen whitebeard was already dead and teach was doing something with WB body,so it was not a matter of dead or not,but more if teach could improve himself as a captain by eating the gura-gura or not.
So they all went to the WG HQ where all the military forces are gathered and where the world strongest man and his forces are, just to see whether he can improve or not… then think about staying with him or not...
WTF dude lol. I mean, are you forgetting that having 2 fruits is something that never happened? And anyone who tries it is probably gonna end up dead. But hey, let's ignore that and instead make another excuse for Shilliew's line even if it doesn't make any sense.
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There's a reason why he wants Whitebeard to stop Ace from his pursuit.
If Shanks, from where he stood in the world 12 years ago, turned into an emperor, what more for the guy that wounded him back then? True, he doesn't explicitly state that Blackbeard is yonkou caliber, but it's been implied he views the latter as such.
because he was a dangerous opponent for ace.But that doesn't mean that he has the same advantage against luffy,who fights in a completely different way than ace and has different strenghts and weaknesses
The scene when they went out of the bar and Blackbeard starts talking to them, understanding Luffy's reason in not fighting Bellamy and co. He remembers Ace and Shanks, the two people who he looks up to the most. So in that sense, he saw Blackbeard as someone comparable to those figures in his life.
didn't really have your same impression,at least it really didn't made me think about BB status or strenght.
for me it ws more about establishing blackbeard confidence in dreams and fate,more than elevate him to any status.Everybody knew Teach was a rival after the Jaya arc. Except Luffy.
Luffy only found out who he was in Impel Down. He sees him as THE rival.At that point, there's no need for Oda to expand more on their fight because the difference in strength was already implied chapters, arcs, beforehand. If anything, he just needed a formal introduction of the main character to his primary antagonist. Given the placing of the scene, where the story was, the timing was perfect.
I didn't even go into a meticulously detailed power/combat discussion, I just stated the obvious; Blackbeard, from the start of the series up to where it is now, is leagues above Luffy.
so it is like that because you interpreted as such,even though it is said nowhere in the manga whatsoever.
fair enough,being that a fantasy story,your guesses are as good as mines