The actual fights of the Sasuke in the pot arc were quite interesting until the Suna troops showed up then it went bad. And of course the lee vs. tha bone guy fight was stupid and it would have been better if we got a fight where naruto actually does win from his own strength before the timeskip. because the loss against sasuke even with the kyuubi cloak was such a bad move.
Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time
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I only liked the Sasuke in a Pot arc for the Neji and Rock Lee/Gaara vs kidnappers fights. Other than that I could care less about Choji and I don't even remember Shikamaru's battle. And of course I never liked Sasuke.
You EVIL WITCH!!!!
Nah its okay, Choji's an adquired taste anyway.
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"Sasuke in the pot" is a great name for an arc and I actually liked the idea: put that whiny emo in a pot and bring him away. The fights were readable and strategic, not simply a "smash him harder" tournament. As long as you don't think about the logic underlying the arc and limit yourself to the "what" is happening, everything is fine; of course, as soon as you start to think about the "why" is happening, the arc changes from good to bad.
"Interestingly enough, the gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they think they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight."
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Well, the scans were pretty shit, so I guess I can only complain so much about the writing and art in this chapter. But, with that in mind, I guess this was decent for a Naruto chapter. Yeah, the arc is still meandering and bringing up trivial bullcrap, but I guess at least it looked like maybe they were making some progress (mainly with Obito's "Let's wrap this up" line). Or maybe I've just become so desensitized by this agonizingly long battle that I no longer have any concept of what's good and what's bad.
This bit was pretty funny though:
"Only Senjutsu chakra can counter Senjutsu chakra!"
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"Sasuke in the pot" is a great name for an arc and I actually liked the idea: put that whiny emo in a pot and bring him away. The fights were readable and strategic, not simply a "smash him harder" tournament. As long as you don't think about the logic underlying the arc and limit yourself to the "what" is happening, everything is fine; of course, as soon as you start to think about the "why" is happening, the arc changes from good to bad.
What is happening is a terrible drawn out series of bland fights, with only maybe the Neji one being sort of interesting (though ruined by Togashi brand over-internal monologue).
Do you not really realize that the arc nearly was like 2/3 as long as the entire Chunnin Exam due to how dragged out all those fights were? Think about the content to length ratio in that. -
The pot arc started great actually. Sasuke's growing jealousy seemed a natural ramification of Naruto's growth (Though their off camera true-friendship was always shoehorned in). The sheer desperation involved, that tsunade COULDN'T send anyone else because all the good ninjas were busy due to the current crisis… That Naruto gathered a random group of whoever the hell he could, even the promise to the broken Sakura (Who at the time could have come up from this experience to be a better and stronger person... so it was okay she was feeling useless and helpless at the time) Naruto's promise.... That was all good setup at the time.
Choji's shining moment of sacrifice during the pot arc was pretty great, one of the best moments of the series, poetic even. The literal imagery of depending on your friends being this ugly unliked thing with great potential that can come forth based on the circumstances (in this case, the trust, faith and loyalty shikimaru had put in him) was great, and as the first real chunin kid casualty, it showed that "yes, these kids are doing something dangerous that they shouldn't be doing and there ARE costs!" and how it WOULD be possible for an untrained kid to defeat a veteran through luck and surprise and sacrifice... which reinforced the theme of broken Rock Lee from earlier. And then followed by the butterfly imagrey, and the butterfly going past Shikimaru... it was actually a really great sequence, and for a brief moment, Choji became a brilliant payoff on what turned out to be a tragic character.
Neji dying shortly after, after having come to peace with his personal emotional history and toil thanks to Naruto, was also pretty great.
Then Rock Lee was healed and learned Drunk Fuu, the Sand Siblings dues ex machina saved everyone, Bone guy died on his own accord, Choji and Neji turned out to be alive, and Naruto and Sasuke had a dragonball style chain of transformation powers ups, and it all went to shit and the quality and drama the arc started with was completely undone and retconned, and so now on re-read Choji's sacrifice has zero weight to it at all and it is instead just a bland fight.
Made even worse by the fact that in the ten years since all Choji has done is eat potato chips, Rock Lee hasn't had a single fight, and Neji died AGAIN from a random backstab.
Yeah. Brilliant reason to undo their sacrifices.
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@Monkey:
What is happening is a terrible drawn out series of bland fights, with only maybe the Neji one being sort of interesting (though ruined by Togashi brand over-internal monologue).
Do you not really realize that the arc nearly was like 2/3 as long as the entire Chunnin Exam due to how dragged out all those fights were? Think about the content to length ratio in that.Truth be told, I don't actually remember how long it was, since it happened years ago (how many? I forgot…) and what followed (post timeskip arcs) weakened my desire to go back and revive the pot arc. But yes, in retrospective, maybe it dragged on for too much time... though it seemed shorter, since I removed the terrible figth between Naruto and Sasuke.
Anyway, back at that time, I liked the fights with Choji and Neji, the others were pretty average shonen stuff, but at least they had some strategy in them and this, compared with the more recent fights, made them look better than they really were. I'd say the best point was: side characters did something... which is pretty rare in naruto, nowadays. That was the last time Choji, Neji and Kiba felt like characters and not simple spots of ink on a paper, so I also see that arc as a requiem to them. -
I'll finally come out of the closet and say that I remember loving the aforementioned arc back in the day,in the anime adaptation that is.
Now,did the anime up the ante,or did I have different standards back then either due to novelty of it all(Nardo anime was pretty much my first "magical shounen dudes fighting and adventuring" kind of show) or maybe due to having horrible taste back then,and I'd enjoy the arc much less upon revisiting it,or do I honestly happen to have a dissenting opinion on the matter(maybe with bad taste and yadda yadda)?
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If you loved it, don't go back. It's safer this way.
You see, it's like remembering your childhood: the farther it is, the sweeter it tastes. Even if, in truth, it was a shitty time, it still looks nice, as long as you see it through the lens of memory. But if you actually go back and see the real thing, you could maybe discover that it was a shitty time. Keep your good memories and don't revisit it. -
One of the common beefs against the arc seems to be that it drags.I guess that's less of problem when you watch all of it in unison,especially if you are hyped and emotionally invested at the time.
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One of the common beefs against the arc seems to be that it drags.I guess that's less of problem when you watch all of it in unison,especially if you are hyped and emotionally invested at the time.
It wasn't just that it dragged. It was that you got the feeling, uncomfortably so, that Kishimoto was in control of his manga at the start, and the arc plays out with him losing that control.
You can start feeling him stumbling than falling forward as the ground shifts out from under him, than rapidly clawing at the walls of the increasingly downturning tunnel, trying to gain some traction, some time, something to give himself room to right the world again and not sink.
The whole pointless Sasuke flashback being the most obvious grab for time, even Kimmaro for that matter.At some point while following along I fell out of caring, and watched him fall. Emotionlessly.
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Building on what Robby mentioned, one thing the Sasuke in a Pot arc had going for it was that it it seemed a somewhat logical development, based on prior events. You could see how the story had progressed from Point A to point B, compared to Part 2 where you need a fucking diagram to figure out how exactly the Hidan and Kakuzu arc segwayed into Sasuke vs Deidara.
And at least the art was still decent, and the combat abilities not completely out of whack. But there really should be some sort of shonen commandment; Thou shalt not Make a 50 Chapter long series of One on Ones
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I still can't help but feel that Kishimoto was actually close to ready to finish the series around there. That the arc actually WOULD have ended with the rescuing of Sasuke (But with the deaths of Choji and Neji as a cost) and that loyalty and sacrifice would have been the kick in the head Sasuke needed… After all, Neji's story was wrapped, (and his death would have affected Hinata) Gaara redeemed, and even Rock Lee's determination rewarded with him being in fighting shape again... and most of the main story elements established that far dealt with.
And then it all could have segued within another arc or two to eventually somehow taking on Itachi and Orochimaru (could have still been a timeskip... but a much LONGER timeskip would have made more sense. Dragonball style where characters are suddenly grown up and some have kids.) and it could have wrapped in another 2 years and been a fairly solid 5-7 year series..
But the anime had started going by then (anime started in late 2002, and the chunin exams/ Tsunade arc were running at the same time in the manga) and so the popularity exploded and he was convinced to make the series longer and more profitable (and with more characters for videos games, animes, special soundtracks, plushes and such) , and so at that point he undid a few of his less mass-market friendly decisions (Like killing some 12 year olds like Choji and Neji) and started to realize the story wasn't going to be exactly the story he wanted to tell anymore.
And you can just see the passion drop out of it almost instantly. If it was a very slow gradual decline over the course of doing the series for 15 years, it'd be one thing, but... the art just changes. And he blatantly changed it at the start of part 2 to be easier to draw, without the hatching details, and simpler outfits on the entire cast (mostly all black... and eventually the soldier uniform on EVERYONE) and the loss of dynamic poses...
And the series has run another 10 years since then and looks to have a couple more in it, so... Add a dozen more uber villains and a timeskip to pad things out (and then years later a zombie war).... you can see the art quality start to slide almost at the exact same time as the passion just slips right out of him.
The same exact thing happened to Garfield. You can see the mark where he sold out and stopped doing what he was passionate about and started running a business.
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@RobbyBevard:
I still can't help but feel that Kishimoto was actually close to ready to finish the series around there. That the arc actually WOULD have ended with the rescuing of Sasuke (But with the deaths of Choji and Neji as a cost) and that loyalty and sacrifice would have been the kick in the head Sasuke needed… After all, Neji's story was wrapped, (and his death would have affected Hinata) Gaara redeemed, and even Rock Lee's determination rewarded with him being in fighting shape again... and most of the main story elements established that far dealt with.
And then it all could have segued within another arc or two to eventually somehow taking on Itachi and Orochimaru (could have still been a timeskip… but a much LONGER timeskip would have made more sense. Dragonball style where characters are suddenly grown up and some have kids.) and it could have wrapped in another 2 years and been a fairly solid 5-7 year series..
But the anime had started going by then (anime started in late 2002, and the chunin exams/ Tsunade arc were running at the same time in the manga) and so the popularity exploded and he was convinced to make the series longer and more profitable (and with more characters for videos games, animes, special soundtracks, plushes and such) , and so at that point he undid a few of his less mass-market friendly decisions (Like killing some 12 year olds like Choji and Neji) and started to realize the story wasn't going to be exactly the story he wanted to tell anymore.
And you can just see the passion drop out of it almost instantly. If it was a very slow gradual decline over the course of doing the series for 15 years, it'd be one thing, but... the art just changes. And he blatantly changed it at the start of part 2 to be easier to draw, without the hatching details, and simpler outfits on the entire cast (mostly all black... and eventually the soldier uniform on EVERYONE) and the loss of dynamic poses...
And the series has run another 10 years since then and looks to have a couple more in it, so... Add a dozen more uber villains and a timeskip to pad things out (and then years later a zombie war).... you can see the art quality start to slide almost at the exact same time as the passion just slips right out of him.
The same exact thing happened to Garfield. You can see the mark where he sold out and stopped doing what he was passionate about and started running a business.
Im sorry but WHAT!? This is good writing to you? Poor Chouji and Neji die so Glossy Fucking Black can return to Konoha? I think it would have been better if Chouji and Neji DID die, but their Deaths along with Sasuke's overall assholishness FINALLY awakens Naruto to the fact that he's rotten to the core and does away with the "I will redeem him crap" and makes a lifegoal out of killing him instead, the series continues becomes Berserk Lite.
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Im sorry but WHAT!? This is good writing to you? Poor Chouji and Neji die so Glossy Fucking Black can return to Konoha? I think it would have been better if Chouji and Neji DID die, but their Deaths along with Sasuke's overall assholishness FINALLY awakens Naruto to the fact that he's rotten to the core and does away with the "I will redeem him crap" and makes a lifegoal out of killing him instead, the series continues becomes Berserk Lite.
Lolwut? The point Robby's saying is that the core of the message in this case is that "These kids CAN defeat the pros, but at a very huge cost, with Sasuke perhaps realizing that connections with people are actually pretty valuable and that he should stop acting like a bitch."
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@RobbyBevard:
The same exact thing happened to Garfield. You can see the mark where he sold out and stopped doing what he was passionate about and started running a business.
I've stopped reading Garfield for about several years now (even though I used to read this serie religiously), but I'm curious on when this actually occurred.
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@Purple:
Lolwut? The point Robby's saying is that the core of the message in this case is that "These kids CAN defeat the pros, but at a very huge cost, with Sasuke perhaps realizing that connections with people are actually pretty valuable and that he should stop acting like a bitch."
I know. Doesnt make it any better.
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I've stopped reading Garfield for about several years now (even though I used to read this serie religiously), but I'm curious on when this actually occurred.
I personally think it was somewhere around volume 32 of the collected volumes (circa, 1996), but they had already shifted to the bland sitting-at-the-counter format by then, so it may have been a little earlier than that and it may just be me.
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I keep hearing about this common consensus great big Garfield decline. As a fan of some of the earlier collected volumes, what exactly does it entail?
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I personally think it was somewhere around volume 32 of the collected volumes (circa, 1996), but they had already shifted to the bland sitting-at-the-counter format by then, so it may have been a little earlier than that and it may just be me.
Is it 1996?
I'm thinking it MIGHT be somewhere between 1994-1995? It would make sense if you are referring to the "sittting-at-the-counter format" which becomes more commonplace by 1995 and beyond. But still, I am wondering if this is what Robby is referring to.(reference)
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Im sorry but WHAT!? This is good writing to you? Poor Chouji and Neji die so Glossy Fucking Black can return to Konoha? I think it would have been better if Chouji and Neji DID die, but their Deaths along with Sasuke's overall assholishness FINALLY awakens Naruto to the fact that he's rotten to the core and does away with the "I will redeem him crap" and makes a lifegoal out of killing him instead, the series continues becomes Berserk Lite.
Why not just forget about Sasuke? The all story was based in the Ninja world and how Naruto would climb the ladder to Hokage, and NOT Sasuke(we could just have some short appearances of him and later an arc with him, the one where he fights against Itachi). A good decision would be to let Sasuke escape and make him disappear for a long time. While that, the story would focus in Naruto, the other guys in the village and the Second Chuunin exam. This time the exam would be conceptual different, because the same exam every year is boring. The exam would have ninjas of Konohamaru generation(including him) and some older ninjas that didn't pass before, and some of them would made a team with Naruto(Kishi could make Karin be in Naruto team, instead of making her a hollow Stupid Sasuke fangirl bitch, she would be relevant in the story, being a Uzumaki, and everything).
After the exam and with Naruto as a Chuunin, it would start another of Naruto ninja life phases, where all the chuunins wouldn't have a team anymore and would make missions alone and with ad hoc teams.
Those missions would be client based and not only internal village ones, have some appearances of Akatsukis, Sasuke/Orochimaru, Other Villages Ninjas, other Bloodlines, The 7 swordsmen of the mist and other groups of equal prestige of other villages, other jinchuurikis(instead of dying off screen), foreshadowed conflicts(or hinted in some way) like the kumogakure-Konoha problems and the mist bloodline prejudice, and some wars. -
Why not just forget about Sasuke? The all story was based in the Ninja world and how Naruto would climb the ladder to Hokage, and NOT Sasuke(we could just have some short appearances of him and later an arc with him, the one where he fights against Itachi). A good decision would be to let Sasuke escape and make him disappear for a long time. While that, the story would focus in Naruto, the other guys in the village and the Second Chuunin exam. This time the exam would be conceptual different, because the same exam every year is boring. The exam would have ninjas of Konohamaru generation(including him) and some older ninjas that didn't pass before, and some of them would made a team with Naruto(Kishi could make Karin be in Naruto team, instead of making her a hollow Stupid Sasuke fangirl bitch, she would be relevant in the story, being a Uzumaki, and everything).
After the exam and with Naruto as a Chuunin, it would start another of Naruto ninja life phases, where all the chuunins wouldn't have a team anymore and would make missions alone and with ad hoc teams.
Those missions would be client based and not only internal village ones, have some appearances of Akatsukis, Sasuke/Orochimaru, Other Villages Ninjas, other Bloodlines, The 7 swordsmen of the mist and other groups of equal prestige of other villages, other jinchuurikis(instead of dying off screen), foreshadowed conflicts(or hinted in some way) like the kumogakure-Konoha problems and the mist bloodline prejudice, and wars.You, sir, win at life.
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Why not just forget about Sasuke? The all story was based in the Ninja world and how Naruto would climb the ladder to Hokage, and NOT Sasuke(we could just have some short appearances of him and later an arc with him, the one where he fights against Itachi). A good decision would be to let Sasuke escape and make him disappear for a long time. While that, the story would focus in Naruto, the other guys in the village and the Second Chuunin exam. This time the exam would be conceptual different, because the same exam every year is boring. The exam would have ninjas of Konohamaru generation(including him) and some older ninjas that didn't pass before, and some of them would made a team with Naruto(Kishi could make Karin be in Naruto team, instead of making her a hollow Stupid Sasuke fangirl bitch, she would be relevant in the story, being a Uzumaki, and everything).
After the exam and with Naruto as a Chuunin, it would start another of Naruto ninja life phases, where all the chuunins wouldn't have a team anymore and would make missions alone and with ad hoc teams.
Those missions would be client based and not only internal village ones, have some appearances of Akatsukis, Sasuke/Orochimaru, Other Villages Ninjas, other Bloodlines, The 7 swordsmen of the mist and other groups of equal prestige of other villages, other jinchuurikis(instead of dying off screen), foreshadowed conflicts(or hinted in some way) like the kumogakure-Konoha problems and the mist bloodline prejudice, and some wars.Except the story is pretty much about Naruto and Sasuke, with a bunch of others of their generation on the side (… until Part II).
And if Kishi had kept that FOCUS, this manga would have been better >_>
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Im sorry but WHAT!? This is good writing to you? Poor Chouji and Neji die so Glossy Fucking Black can return to Konoha? I think it would have been better if Chouji and Neji DID die, but their Deaths along with Sasuke's overall assholishness FINALLY awakens Naruto to the fact that he's rotten to the core and does away with the "I will redeem him crap" and makes a lifegoal out of killing him instead, the series continues becomes Berserk Lite.
Ten YEARS ago.
Sasuke WASN'T glossy black yet, and was still just an upset kid who was being beaten by a rival who a few weeks earlier was incompetant compared to him, bent on revenge against his brother that couldn't see that he had people that cared for him who made a really bad choice to try and overcome that power gap after being seduced by basically, the devil.
And seeing others sacrifice FOR him could have had a profound effect and been an interesting character arc.
Instead it spiraled downward for ten years into PURE EVILS territory and he became a brainless contradictory easily manipulated idiot. (Along with a WTF sudden reversal a couple weeks back.)
But at the time? He was still saveable and redeemable.
I've stopped reading Garfield for about several years now (even though I used to read this serie religiously), but I'm curious on when this actually occurred.
Around the time they got a cartoon series, the art style changed completely, and Jim Davis handed it over to assistants to trace.
Also when Jon and Lyman stopped being secretly gay and he just gave Odie to Jon and Lyman ceased to ever exist.
On the otherhand, its at its very best in Garfield minus Garfield. http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
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Except the story is pretty much about Naruto and Sasuke, with a bunch of others of their generation on the side (… until Part II).
And if Kishi had kept that FOCUS, this manga would have been better >_>
The story was pretty much about Naruto! Sasuke was only the friend-rival of Naruto.
Sasuke had a lot of screen time, but not really focus. In reality his screen time should be divided with Sakura.Let see:
First Chapters arcs - Only about Naruto and Konohamaru.
Genning Team Arc - Introduction of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi and their relation with Naruto. Not really focused in Sasuke.
Zabuza Arc - Naruto first step to being a real ninja. Sasuke is used as a stepping stone that makes Naruto remember what he needs to surpass. After this he don't have any real purpose in that arc.
Chuunin Exam - He have some relevance, but not real focus. He is used as the tool that the main antagonist wants, but, in the end, the real focus is the exam(that Sasuke is absent for more than half of it. Or sleeping or in hospital) and the attack of the village. Other than the foreshadow connection with Orochimaru he has as much relevance as other characters like Rock Lee or Neji.
Tsunade Hokage Arc - he and his story have a small focus when Itachi appears. After that he don't appears for the rest of the arc.
Sasuke Retrieval Arc - This arc his focused on him!End of first Part.
As opposed to the first part, where Sasuke was a secondary character that was the rival-friend(and it seems that lover too) of the main character, in the second part, at least half of it(maybe more) Sasuke is the focus.
One of the reasons why the manga isn't better is because of the change of focus to Sasuke, that started in the Sasuke Retrieval arc and continued in the second part.
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@RobbyBevard:
Ten YEARS ago.
Sasuke WASN'T glossy black yet, and was still just an upset kid who was being beaten by a rival who a few weeks earlier was incompetant compared to him, bent on revenge against his brother that couldn't see that he had people that cared for him who made a really bad choice to try and overcome that power gap after being seduced by basically, the devil.
And seeing others sacrifice FOR him could have had a profound effect and been an interesting character arc.
Instead it spiraled downward for ten years into PURE EVILS territory and he became a brainless contradictory easily manipulated idiot. (Along with a WTF sudden reversal a couple weeks back.)
But at the time? He was still saveable and redeemable.
One of the major problems of that arc his Sasuke reasoning!
He, a genning that should had turned into Chuunin, thought that wouldn't be totally shitted on, by a ninja that at age 8 was a Junnin, was a previous Anbu member, killed all his bloodline clan and kicked is master genius ass. (If he was a Junnin Ninja, as strong as Kakashi, than that would be a problem)
Later he saw weak Naruto becoming stronger, basically learning two super good techniques, while one of them he was in the hospital and the other he learning a equal good one, and thought that the problem was with the inefficiency of the training he was doing and that the village couldn't provide more(while it provided to Naruto, Itachi and Orochimaru).
After thinking those two stupid things, he receives an invitation of an enemy, that developed his power in the village, to go training with him. What do he thinks? Training in a weaker ninja village with worse conditions and being constantly chased would be a better environment to train.
With so much stupidity in a person, is hard to save him or making him redeemable! One way would be for Naruto to kick his ass, but wouldn't that give more reason to his fault reasoning? -
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One of the major problems of that arc his Sasuke reasoning!
He, a genning that should had turned into Chuunin, thought that wouldn't be totally shitted on, by a ninja that at age 8 was a Junnin, was a previous Anbu member, killed all his bloodline clan and kicked is master genius ass. (If he was a Junnin Ninja, as strong as Kakashi, than that would be a problem)
Later he saw weak Naruto becoming stronger, basically learning two super good techniques, while one of them he was in the hospital and the other he learning a equal good one, and thought that the problem was with the inefficiency of the training he was doing and that the village couldn't provide more(while it provided to Naruto, Itachi and Orochimaru).
After thinking those two stupid things, he receives an invitation of an enemy, that developed his power in the village, to go training with him. What do he thinks? Training in a weaker ninja village with worse conditions and being constantly chased would be a better environment to train.
With so much stupidity in a person, is hard to save him or making him redeemable! One way would be for Naruto to kick his ass, but wouldn't that give more reason to his fault reasoning?I won't deny that there is a lot of bad judgement on Sasuke's part, but there's a certain amount of leeway there considering that he was, in fact, 13. In general, people do a lot of stupid things when they're 13 - like running away from home, for instance - and Sasuke was far more messed up mentally than most kids his age would be thanks to Itachi's Tsukiyomi. I dunno, I feel like Sasuke choosing to run off isn't something that makes him irredeemable or something.
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@RobbyBevard:
Around the time they got a cartoon series, the art style changed completely, and Jim Davis handed it over to assistants to trace.
Also when Jon and Lyman stopped being secretly gay and he just gave Odie to Jon and Lyman ceased to ever exist.
On the otherhand, its at its very best in Garfield minus Garfield. http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
Thanks for your input. Assuming that is the marking point of Garfield's decline in quality, it seem remarkably early since Lyman's disappearance was about 5 or so years since its start? However, the art style has changed noticeably about 3-4 times since the animation as well. shrug
Though I suppose it is clear the serie has been a complete sell out for a while now. -
I'll finally come out of the closet and say that I remember loving the aforementioned arc back in the day,in the anime adaptation that is.
Now,did the anime up the ante,or did I have different standards back then either due to novelty of it all(Nardo anime was pretty much my first "magical shounen dudes fighting and adventuring" kind of show) or maybe due to having horrible taste back then,and I'd enjoy the arc much less upon revisiting it,or do I honestly happen to have a dissenting opinion on the matter(maybe with bad taste and yadda yadda)?
Heh, I'm actually with you on this one, I too watched it back then as anime and loved it. Although as Robby so wonderfully put it, then everything went to shitpiece with all those asspull-savings (although at the time I was not expecting anyone to actually die at all, since I thought this doesn't happen in "kids stories" and therefore just wondered how they'd come "back to life"). But I loved the animated fights, and I loved that it was long, too. I loved Rock Lee's drunken shadow boxing, it was really awesome, to my past self anyways.
The only thing that finally bugged me was the Naruto-Sasuke fight and how Sasuke left - I didn't expect that, I thought he'd be convinced by Naruto right there and there'd be a conclusion to an arc, and then there would be time to set up Orochimaru as final villain, maybe fight through some underlings first, it would have been way better than what we actually got. If Sasuke had listened to Naruto then, all this friendship talk wouldn't feel so goddamn useless for the whole part 2, and he could have turned out as less of the whiny cunt he is.
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I'm skipping ten pages of discussion here because I don't care enough, but if Kushina and RIn died today, doesn't that make it Naruto's birthday?
Why has no one mentioned this in the series?
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I just want to point out.
At some point in the chapter, Obito's foot had a speech bubble saying "Sand!".
I am so facepalming at this.
It is obviously the "Sah!" sound effect of a slight skid.
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@Bond:
I just want to point out.
At some point in the chapter, Obito's foot had a speech bubble saying "Sand!".
I am so facepalming at this.
It is obviously the "Sah!" sound effect of a slight skid.
Whoever translated this hasn't much of an idea how to refer to context.This is like the least of this scanlation's problems.
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They did mention it… And it's tomorrow, right?
When was it stated that today (or tomorrow) is Naruto's birthday?
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I mean, it's been the SAME DAY for like 150 chapters. Why has NOBODY mentioned that Naruto's birthday is tomorrow until now? :\
Frackin' Kishimoto :>
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I mean, it's been the SAME DAY for like 150 chapters. Why has NOBODY mentioned that Naruto's birthday is tomorrow until now? :\
Frackin' Kishimoto :>
What's really weird is the way Naruto said it. "If tomorrow's the day my mom died, then tomorrow is my birthday!" As if he doesn't even know when his own birthday is.
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What's really weird is the way Naruto said it. "If tomorrow's the day my mom died, then tomorrow is my birthday!" As if he doesn't even know when his own birthday is.
He never seemed to know who his parents were either, so I can totally buy the 3rd never telling Naruto when he was born for some dumb reason like "maybe he'll piece together he has the 9 tails within him" or something stupid like that.
But given Naruto did make the connection to his birthday, I guess that also means Naruto didn't recognize today/tomorrow was the anniversary of the 9 tails attack either. Just another reason why revealing this now's dumb.
When was it stated that today (or tomorrow) is Naruto's birthday?
Naruto himself made the connection near the end of the chapter. But I don't think there's been any indication of this being a special day beforehand.
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What's really weird is the way Naruto said it. "If tomorrow's the day my mom died, then tomorrow is my birthday!" As if he doesn't even know when his own birthday is.
As the ostracized outcast loser kid that no one would watch or take care of (that makes far less sense as time goes on) its entirely possible he wouldn't know… but I'd think the third or Asuma at least would have told him before now.
I guess that means Jiraiya being alive can be his present.
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"Naruto…that means tomorrow's your brithday!"
"...I have a birthday? I thought that was only for good little boys who DIDN'T get a monstrous demon sealed in their stomach. At least that's what that police guy told me."
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I agree Kishimoto definitely lost his moorings (EYEBALLS ARE EVERYTHING), but I really don't buy the argument that he no longer holds any passion for his work. He just had a running start and couldn't keep it up; doesn't mean he isn't still running the marathon.
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@RobbyBevard:
As the ostracized outcast loser kid that no one would watch or take care of (that makes far less sense as time goes on) its entirely possible he wouldn't know… but I'd think the third or Asuma at least would have told him before now.
I guess that means Jiraiya being alive can be his present.
@Cyan:
"Naruto…that means tomorrow's your brithday!"
"...I have a birthday? I thought that was only for good little boys who DIDN'T get a monstrous demon sealed in their stomach. At least that's what that police guy told me."
It would be cool if this were actually a part of Naruto's character, instead of him forgetting about how the village treated him for his entire life.
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It would be cool if this were actually a part of Naruto's character, instead of him forgetting about how the village treated him for his entire life.
That plot point never really made sense given the fact that pissing off the kid is MORE likely to bring out the beast, but it was supposedly resolved since the village treated him to a hero's welcome following Pain Invasion
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That plot point never really made sense given the fact that pissing off the kid is MORE likely to bring out the beast, but it was supposedly resolved since the village treated him to a hero's welcome following Pain Invasion
It's the typical deal in fiction when you ostracize and oppress the guy you claim to be afraid of because he has superpowers and is a "monster",despite that making it all the more likely that he will proceed to kill your ass.
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You'd think they'd elect to spoil the shit out of Naruto. Then again this IS the world with child soldiers who probably took brain damage at some point during their training
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I propose we have every thread title with these mock names instead of actual names.The only thing I'd change would be Blech…I feel that "Bleargh" captures the reader's feelings better.
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Nardo and Blech IV: These mock names instead of actual names.
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"Hey, Naruto, it's your birthday tomorrow! And I'm bringing this shit up, because it's somehow miningful right now, but wasn't before!"
Seriously - why DID Kishimoto bring this up? How does the fact that it's Naruto's birthday have anything to do with the current situation? And why the hell do all of these ninjas still stay there, maybe it would be better to tell them to run when they had a chance? Since there's only a couple people fighting and having the chance to deal a real blow? It's stupid as hell that Naruto, a guy who supposedly wants to be Hokage, doesn't think for a second about all these people and how their lifes are in danger. That was the FIRST think the Third Hokage did, when he was fighting Orochimaru - he closed both of them off, so that Orochimaru would have to fight him one on one and couldn't use any other ninjas as a shield etc.
Yeah, you go, Naruto - you definitely are as strong as the Kages! But you don't have any actual qualities that make someone a Kage, fucktard! -
Nerdo and Bleargh IV: Happy birthday, have some dead moms.
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@RobbyBevard:
As the ostracized outcast loser kid that no one would watch or take care of (that makes far less sense as time goes on) its entirely possible he wouldn't know… but I'd think the third or Asuma at least would have told him before now.
I guess that means Jiraiya being alive can be his present.
Well, you'd think they could have at least given him a fake birthday. Or, I dunno, tell him when he did find out he had the Nine Tails in him/when he became a target of Akatsuki anyway/when he found out he was the 4th's son.
And does Naruto know what day the Nine Tails attacked the village? Like, when Kushina was telling him her backstory, did it occur to him that, "Hey, I guess that means my birthday is in a few days!" (that whole segment did take place a few days before this war arc, right?)
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@Aru:
"Hey, Naruto, it's your birthday tomorrow! And I'm bringing this shit up, because it's somehow miningful right now, but wasn't before!"
Seriously - why DID Kishimoto bring this up? How does the fact that it's Naruto's birthday have anything to do with the current situation? And why the hell do all of these ninjas still stay there, maybe it would be better to tell them to run when they had a chance? Since there's only a couple people fighting and having the chance to deal a real blow? It's stupid as hell that Naruto, a guy who supposedly wants to be Hokage, doesn't think for a second about all these people and how their lifes are in danger. That was the FIRST think the Third Hokage did, when he was fighting Orochimaru - he closed both of them off, so that Orochimaru would have to fight him one on one and couldn't use any other ninjas as a shield etc.
Yeah, you go, Naruto - you definitely are as strong as the Kages! But you don't have any actual qualities that make someone a Kage, fucktard!Wasn't that Orochimaru? I believe It was is guys(that at the time seemed super powerful, but later got their asses kicked by kids) that made the seal so no Anbu or Jounin could interfere.
