@Monkey:
Really? Buggy is Usopp's final foe?
If only Blackbeard, the likely final villain, had some sort of natural adversary for Usopp around…
How to hell is Usopp going to win against this fine young men?
@Monkey:
Really? Buggy is Usopp's final foe?
If only Blackbeard, the likely final villain, had some sort of natural adversary for Usopp around…
How to hell is Usopp going to win against this fine young men?
@joekido:
Blech and Naruto are not close to finish ethier so we can't make any assumptions yet
Dude what the hell are you talking about, isn't bleach in the last arc and Naruto, well that dude can stretch that serie to the infinity and beyond
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Obviously Van Augur was the perfect final foe for Ussop since Jaya and still remains strong in that position now (and i love his design)
! http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4479/147400-vanauger1.png
But maybe it's the similarity of Buggy to Ussop (i.e. Ussop to the ST is like Buggy to Roger's) that give me a slight feeling that maybe they might have a skirmish or something.
Comparing Ussop to Buggy and similarities, what similarities? because Buggy is a coward for life with luck and Ussop was a coward without it and look at him now, a total boss
Dude what the hell are you talking about, isn't bleach in the last arc and Naruto, well that dude can stretch that serie to the infinity and beyond
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Comparing Ussop to Buggy and similarities, what similarities? because Buggy is a coward for life with luck and Ussop was a coward without it and look at him now, a total boss
Some spiritual traits that make the two somewhat similar. Both are the weakest in the crew (buggy in roger's) and both are cowards and lately both are in quite a position. (Ussop is what Ussop is now, and buggy is a shichi)
Also, Buggy is quite the liar too. in fact he became a shichi mainly due to lies and deceive, even though most of them weren't said by himself but still. Again, these two characters can't be really compared directly but both have some spiritual traits that look similar.
Moreover, i think that there should reach a stage where at least a half of the ST crew should easily beat a shichi and possibly Oda can play with this a bit by doing it slightly earlier for ussop by making ussop beat bugy which supposed to be strong because of the position and by that it would raise Ussop as a strong pirate and a warrior of the sea to the world. (yeah i know it is a far fetched speculation)
Some spiritual traits that make the two somewhat similar. Both are the weakest in the crew (buggy in roger's) and both are cowards and lately both are in quite a position. (Ussop is what Ussop is now, and buggy is a shichi)
Also, Buggy is quite the liar too. in fact he became a shichi mainly due to lies and deceive, even though most of them weren't said by himself but still. Again, these two characters can't be really compared directly but both have some spiritual traits that look similar.
Moreover, i think that there should reach a stage where at least a half of the ST crew should easily beat a shichi and possibly Oda can play with this a bit by doing it slightly earlier for ussop by making ussop beat bugy which supposed to be strong because of the position and by that it would raise Ussop as a strong pirate and a warrior of the sea to the world. (yeah i know it is a far fetched speculation)
What makes you think that Ussop is the weakest SH? the only thing Oda ever said was "that Ussop will be the must human like in the group" and I assume that he took Robin and Nami out this equation while saying that for the simple fact that he has portrayed most woman in the OP world as weaker than your average man also Ussop was a coward, Buggy we haven't seen him but he might still be a coward, Buggy didn't get his title out of lies, he was in Roger's crew, which is a pretty big deal and that was the only thing that made the WG give him that title, just to hear the name of a Roger's crew member should make you wet and I personally don't see Buggy fighting the SHs again like ever, hence I see him throwing them a party after their arrival to his turf
What makes you think that Ussop is the weakest SH? the only thing Oda ever said was "that Ussop will be the must human like in the group" and I assume that he took Robin and Nami out this equation while saying that for the simple fact that he has portrayed most woman in the OP world as weaker than your average man also Ussop was a coward, Buggy we haven't seen him but he might still be a coward, Buggy didn't get his title out of lies, he was in Roger's crew, which is a pretty big deal and that was the only thing that made the WG give him that title, just to hear the name of a Roger's crew member should make you wet and I personally don't see Buggy fighting the SHs again like ever, hence I see him throwing them a party after their arrival to his turf
Ussop in theory should be the weakest in the ST crew since he is supposed to be the most human. Surely it is hard to say which crew member is the weakest but you could say for certain Usspot is around the middle low portion. (though He needs more 1vs1 proper fights so we could say that)
Sure Buggy was in Roger's crew but i don't think he could live on that thing alone for long. i suppose such a title would give him the shichi position but he needed some more than this to stay there, and this was achieved by the whole not too honest image he got in Marineford.
But now i think that a fight of buggy vs the ST crew in any way is less likely, although i have a strong urge to see Buggy and his abilities after he got the position. we haven't seen him for what? almost 150 chapters and counting?
Ussop in theory should be the weakest in the ST crew since he is supposed to be the most human. Surely it is hard to say which crew member is the weakest but you could say for certain Usspot is around the middle low portion. (though He needs more 1vs1 proper fights so we could say that)
Sure Buggy was in Roger's crew but i don't think he could live on that thing alone for long. i suppose such a title would give him the shichi position but he needed some more than this to stay there, and this was achieved by the whole not too honest image he got in Marineford.But now i think that a fight of buggy vs the ST crew in any way is less likely, although i have a strong urge to see Buggy and his abilities after he got the position. we haven't seen him for what? almost 150 chapters and counting?
Yeah but like I said that might be only applying to the males on the crew and no to the females, also this part about Ussop and Oda's comment is kinda weird because every character has a role and Sanji's comment back in EL made pretty clear that each one of them is good in their own area and yeah those prisoners played a key factor in Buggy's status as a shishibukai and we saw him 15 chapters ago but not fighting though
Yeah but like I said that might be only applying to the males on the crew and no to the females, also this part about Ussop and Oda's comment is kinda weird because every character has a role and Sanji's comment back in EL made pretty clear that each one of them is good in their own area and yeah those prisoners played a key factor in Buggy's status as a shishibukai and we saw him 15 chapters ago but not fighting though
In pure fighting ability, strength and haki Ussop is in the low Tier of the crew but in the crew when looked at a character overall they are almost equal. (i'd say Luffy being captain places him slightly above everyone since he is the one who represents the Straw Hat crew and maybe Robin with her knowledge but we don't know enough on that). We've seen a mentioning of Buggy 15 chaps ago, so for me it doesn't fully count. (And don't get me started on Kami Enel)
Damn, One Piece is a double edged sword: on the one side it is so rich and every week is a great joy, but on the other it takes years to get to a major point in the series which is aggravating sometimes.
black bread vs shanks
Akainu vs dragon
odawill create New Character similar age to luffy (his generation at least)
black bread vs shanks
Akainu vs dragon
odawill create New Character similar age to luffy (his generation at least)
Blackbeard IS part of Luffy's generation, he's counted alongside the Eleven Supernovas as major new forces introduced into the pirate world.
Shanks is the mentor/idol character. The odds of him making it to the final battles and participating in them against one of the biggest foes are next to none.
What kind of quest would that be?
@Monkey:
What kind of quest would that be?
black bread vs shanks
Apparently, a quest that involves the mentor/idol character duking it out with a black piece of bread lol
Jokingly aside, I think it's too late in the game to come up with a better final villain than Blackbeard. He's been built up for so long and it will be impractical and a waste of terrific characterization if he were to be cast aside for, as bokavan suggested, someone new entirely. As previously explained, Akainu's a poor choice for a final villain, and I agree with that, but I'd rather have him than a completely new character altogether.
Since people have been discussing Ussop's potential final opponent (Van Augur's the obvious pick being, like Blackbeard and Luffy are to one another, a perfect contrast of Ussop), I wonder if the crew's Grand Line recruits were meant to face off with Blackbeard's Impel Down recruits? Barring Chopper(GL recruit, paired with Doc Q) and Zoro(East Blue recruit, paired up with ID recruit Shiliew)
for me, Gorosei will be the final opponent for SHC, and Blackbeard pirates will be the last opponent in raftel or before they go to raftel…
Before reading this thread I completely, 100% thought it was a no brainer that Akainu was going to be the final villain. Killed Ace, WG dude, Luffy hates the guy.
After reading it, I'm starting to board the Blackbeard boat (or raft :ninja:).
I didn't really realise that while Akainu is a major opponent to Luffy he does have a real lack of development for a final villain.
I do see them fighting before Raftel, but that not being the end of the fight. It could go on and continue again once the war breaks out.
I kinda see in my head an image of Luffy and Blackbeard charging at eachother, Blackbeard kinda saying he wants to be Pirate King to have the most power and Luffy saying he wants to be Pirate King to have the most freedom.
@Jewelery:
Before reading this thread I completely, 100% thought it was a no brainer that Akainu was going to be the final villain. Killed Ace, WG dude, Luffy hates the guy.
After reading it, I'm starting to board the Blackbeard boat (or raft :ninja:).Don't board the Blackbeard boat just yet, as the World Government is the only logical choice as final villains.
Let's consider what we know: The One Piece (coughthetruehistorycough) contains information that will change the world. Thus we know that Luffy finding the One-Piece won't be the end of the series.
We also know that the series will end with a war that will make Marineford look tiny. Luffy and Co simply squaring off against blackbeard is not enough to make that happen. Plus, the 5 Elder Stars have to be dealt with at some point.As such, we can conclude, that Blackbeard will probably be the ultimate villain standing in the way of One-Piece, but the penultimate villain of the series, as, after we (and the One-Piece world) learn the true history, there will be war: Luffy and the Straw Hats, their pirate allies, the revolutionaries, and the New Marines (led by Aokiji, Smoker, Garp, and Coby among others) vs the 5 Elder Stars and the Marines. It will be a war for the fate of the entire world.
It's pretty obvious if you're been reading since the beginning that the final opponent will be Shanks. Blackbeard will be one of the last, but I'm pretty sure that the series will end with Shanks and Luffy fighting a duel, Luffy winning, and Luffy returning Roger's hat to him.
Thus, being that Shanks is not a villain, the final villian is probably Blackbeard. Unless my ridiculous Davy Jones thing is really true.
… isn't the exact opposite way more likely? The theme of surpassing your idol and inspiration has been incredibly strongly present in that particular plot line ever since day one, and that would give the plot some much needed closure. That is, unless Oda plans to fuel the final confrontation and the fans' hatred for Blackbeard by having him kill Shanks before Luffy ever reaches him - or alternatively right before his eyes.
@Nex:
Don't board the Blackbeard boat just yet, as the World Government is the only logical choice as final villains.
Let's consider what we know: The One Piece (coughthetruehistorycough) contains information that will change the world. Thus we know that Luffy finding the One-Piece won't be the end of the series.
We also know that the series will end with a war that will make Marineford look tiny. Luffy and Co simply squaring off against blackbeard is not enough to make that happen. Plus, the 5 Elder Stars have to be dealt with at some point.As such, we can conclude, that Blackbeard will probably be the ultimate villain standing in the way of One-Piece, but the penultimate villain of the series, as, after we (and the One-Piece world) learn the true history, there will be war: Luffy and the Straw Hats, their pirate allies, the revolutionaries, and the New Marines (led by Aokiji, Smoker, Garp, and Coby among others) vs the 5 Elder Stars and the Marines. It will be a war for the fate of the entire world.
While it's true the WG will be involved in the war after One Piece is found, I still think there might be the chance that Blackbeard plays a role in this war, making a Round 2 between him and Luffy
This reason why I think Akainu can't be the final villain is because he's too weak, and it doesn't seem like he'll get any stronger, he's already over 55 years old, so it is reasonable to expect that he should soon start weakening. I think it is safe to assume that EOS Luffy will be at least as strong as Roger was, probably even stronger, maybe even much stronger, and we know that Roger>=Prime Whitebeard>>>>Old Whitebeard>Akainu. So unless Akainu gets some unexpected power up, I don't see how could he be a final villain, since he is at best an average yonkou level.
On the other hand Blackbeard's power could potentially be limitless, as he's searching for the strongest DF users and then absorbs their powers. But it is pretty obvious by now that BB will most likely be Luffy's main rival for the title of the Pirate King, and story will not end with Luffy becoming the PK.
The Gorosei are the ones which are controlling the whole world, and they do look powerful, but we still don't know exactly how powerful they are. If they are as powerful as their status implies, then they could easily be the final enemy.
Finally we have Coby, a weakling a coward and insecure little boy, but a boy with a dream to become Luffy's equal and fight him as a marine admiral. Also, Coby is improving at faster rate than any other OP character, and if he keeps on improving at the same rate, he should be able to reach Luffy's level. But I think he'll probably need one more time skip to catch up with Luffy.
black bread vs Trafalgar Law
Fixed that for ya.
Story-wise I would think the order of which the final enemies will fall will be Blackbeard (for the One Piece), Akainu (leading the Marines into battle) and then the World Government (either the Gorosei, a reactivated Ancient Weapon or something else). Theme-wise I'm not to sure myself though.
maybe there wouldn't be a real conclusive, single, final villain. Maybe the final fight (of individuals, not a war of whole factions) will include Blackbeard, shanks, Akainu and likely someone else, that we have never seen before, all together in a Free For All or temporary and fast changing alliances. while it is an unlikely speculation since almost all important fights in One Piece were strict 1 vs 1 fights of luffy and an important, powerful opponent you can never really be certain of any foreshadowing with Oda.
This reason why I think Akainu can't be the final villain is because he's too weak, and it doesn't seem like he'll get any stronger, he's already over 55 years old, so it is reasonable to expect that he should soon start weakening. I think it is safe to assume that EOS Luffy will be at least as strong as Roger was, probably even stronger, maybe even much stronger, and we know that Roger>=Prime Whitebeard>>>>Old Whitebeard>Akainu. So unless Akainu gets some unexpected power up, I don't see how could he be a final villain, since he is at best an average yonkou level.
On the other hand Blackbeard's power could potentially be limitless, as he's searching for the strongest DF users and then absorbs their powers. But it is pretty obvious by now that BB will most likely be Luffy's main rival for the title of the Pirate King, and story will not end with Luffy becoming the PK.
The Gorosei are the ones which are controlling the whole world, and they do look powerful, but we still don't know exactly how powerful they are. If they are as powerful as their status implies, then they could easily be the final enemy.
Finally we have Coby, a weakling a coward and insecure little boy, but a boy with a dream to become Luffy's equal and fight him as a marine admiral. Also, Coby is improving at faster rate than any other OP character, and if he keeps on improving at the same rate, he should be able to reach Luffy's level. But I think he'll probably need one more time skip to catch up with Luffy.
Thing is Akainu has something that Luffy is still inferior to him in, that is Experience and ruthlessness. I know Oda hasn't played this card yet but I think that when it came to Akainu and Luffy he would play this card, where the old guy beats the younger one through experience and I think he will show this by showing that Akainu can adapt to fighting without his DF fruit(not relying on it) and Luffy will not.
I also really disagree with the Coby thing(or I would hate it if it happened) because Coby hasn't really been doing this for long whereas Luffy had been training to be a strong marine ever since he could walk and now suddenly this guy trains for three years and he is Luffy's equal? Fuck that, Coby will become an Admiral but only after the final war and possibly after Luffy's death or the disbandment of the Straw hats.
Thing is Akainu has something that Luffy is still inferior to him in, that is Experience and ruthlessness. I know Oda hasn't played this card yet but I think that when it came to Akainu and Luffy he would play this card, where the old guy beats the younger one through experience and I think he will show this by showing that Akainu can adapt to fighting without his DF fruit(not relying on it) and Luffy will not.
I also really disagree with the Coby thing(or I would hate it if it happened) because Coby hasn't really been doing this for long whereas Luffy had been training to be a strong marine ever since he could walk and now suddenly this guy trains for three years and he is Luffy's equal? Fuck that, Coby will become an Admiral but only after the final war and possibly after Luffy's death or the disbandment of the Straw hats.
So Akainu is going to lose his DF, then Luffy will die. Yeah, that is obviously what is going to happen. But Hancock will join and marry Luffy before that, right?
@Nex:
Don't board the Blackbeard boat just yet, as the World Government is the only logical choice as final villains.
It's really not though.
Let's consider what we know: The One Piece (coughthetruehistorycough) contains information that will change the world. Thus we know that Luffy finding the One-Piece won't be the end of the series.
We also know that the series will end with a war that will make Marineford look tiny. Luffy and Co simply squaring off against blackbeard is not enough to make that happen. Plus, the 5 Elder Stars have to be dealt with at some point.
It's almost like, much like the heads of the Government, the fight with Blackbeard's group and people would happened WITHIN just such a huge war conflict etc.
Are you seriously unable to see how an evil D. has any role to play in some huge war involving the secret contents of the history?
As such, we can conclude, that Blackbeard will probably be the ultimate villain standing in the way of One-Piece, but the penultimate villain of the series, as, after we (and the One-Piece world) learn the true history, there will be war: Luffy and the Straw Hats, their pirate allies, the revolutionaries, and the New Marines (led by Aokiji, Smoker, Garp, and Coby among others) vs the 5 Elder Stars and the Marines. It will be a war for the fate of the entire world.
What exactly about the Elder Stars has painted them in any way as the uber-villains.
It's seriously dated thinking to assume
ANCIENT HISTORY = ALL GOOD
WORLD GOVERNMENT = ALL BAD
This is the normal thought process post-Robin's flashback.
It should have been retired after Rayleigh's words that introduced ambiguity into the lost history.
@Monkey:
This is the normal thought process post-Robin's flashback.
It should have been retired after Rayleigh's words that introduced ambiguity into the lost history.
In which translation ? (it's a genuine question btw) He said that everyone was a bit hasty, but it doesn't necessaraly mean that the World Government isn't evil, just that there's more to the Lost Century than what it seems.
I don't think that the Elder Stars are evil though, they showed obvious remorse from killing the Oharans and most of their decisions during the series seemed reasonable. They seem genuinely concerned for the peace.
In which translation ? (it's a genuine question btw) He said that everyone was a bit hasty, but it doesn't necessaraly mean that the World Government isn't evil, just that there's more to the Lost Century than what it seems.
I don't think that the Elder Stars are evil though, they showed obvious remorse from killing the Oharans and most of their decisions during the series seemed reasonable. They seem genuinely concerned for the peace.
I'm going off both what I recall original reading when the chapter came out, as well as the Viz edition which I quickly checked to see a more formal translation.
That is most certainly not all he says at all either.
Also you're not really helping your assertion that the WG is some cackling absolute evil by pointing out that their absolute leaders have been shown to have that ambiguity.
I'm not even sure that the Strawhats themselves will ever interact directly with the elder stars
So Akainu is going to lose his DF, then Luffy will die. Yeah, that is obviously what is going to happen. But Hancock will join and marry Luffy before that, right?
Wait..what? I really didn't mean that Luffy would die, it was just an example. The Akainu thing was me speculating that maybe just maybe some way down the line someone will gain the ability(whether technological or just another fruit) to nullify fruit abilities and perhaps this will come into play during their fight.
But seriously though, I was just trying to show how Akainu's experience would Trump Luffy's strength and gave an example of how this would be most apparent by saying that in a fight without devil fruits the more experienced, disciplined and formally trained admiral would beat Luffy.
The final villain will clearly be Sabo, you guys are idiots for thinking otherwise.
But honestly, I think there's not going to be one true "final villain". Oda has hinted that what Law is doing right now is setting into motion the final war, which he said is going to make Marineford look like a joke, so I'm actually hoping it's going to be a free for all. Reverie and arrival of Raftel are going to be the straws that break the camel's back, and all hell breaks loose. The Strawhats, Blackbeard, Kidd, Law, Sakazuki, Dragon, Kuzan, the Absolute Justice Marines, the "Good" Marines, the Gorosei, the Revolutionaries, I wouldn't be surprised if hyped up nations like Elbaf ended up big players as well (Shanks will be dead and Kaidou/Big Mom will be dealt with by Luffy/Law and Kidd alliances before this war respectively). A 3 way battle between Luffy, Blackbeard, and Sakazuki I'd imagine would be more epic than Luffy vs BB one on one, which could still happen anyway if Sakazuki goes down first nearing the end of the fight.
I also have a sneaking suspicion Coby is going to be an unstoppable force by this end of the series, as in casually fodderizing Marco level fighters unstoppable.
Wait..what? I really didn't mean that Luffy would die, it was just an example. The Akainu thing was me speculating that maybe just maybe some way down the line someone will gain the ability(whether technological or just another fruit) to nullify fruit abilities and perhaps this will come into play during their fight.
But seriously though, I was just trying to show how Akainu's experience would Trump Luffy's strength and gave an example of how this would be most apparent by saying that in a fight without devil fruits the more experienced, disciplined and formally trained admiral would beat Luffy.
Yeah Akainu still has the problem of not tying into any of the main themes or storylines that act as the foundation of the series.
The only big deal connection he has with Luffy is that he killed Ace.
Ace and his death are in no way shape or form central to the series. And if a person's conflict with Luffy isn't involved with any central conflicts? They cannot possibly be a good final villain.
Wait..what? I really didn't mean that Luffy would die, it was just an example. The Akainu thing was me speculating that maybe just maybe some way down the line someone will gain the ability(whether technological or just another fruit) to nullify fruit abilities and perhaps this will come into play during their fight.
But seriously though, I was just trying to show how Akainu's experience would Trump Luffy's strength and gave an example of how this would be most apparent by saying that in a fight without devil fruits the more experienced, disciplined and formally trained admiral would beat Luffy.
Yeah, a terrible example lol, but I get ya. It would be an advantadge, but this is one of the oldest debates ever. Wich is stronger, experience or youth (+speed+strength) ?
I'm still really pissed that Brownbeard became an actual character
My favorite fake spoiler was the one about how the at the time nonexistant Brownbeard makes his first appearance yelling HOW FAIL OF YOU WHITEBEARD TO LOSE LIKE THIS AND SHAME THE BEARD FAMILY, GOOD THING MY BROTHER BLACK NEVER FAILS TO MAKE AN IMPACT
Why couldn't the Beard Family… have been the final foes
.I think, Gorosei will be Final Villain.
you totally forgot about Corby!
he will be for Luffy what Garp was for Roger I bet on that!!
Are people still arguing that Blackbeard won't be the final villain?
you totally forgot about Corby!
he will be for Luffy what Garp was for Roger I bet on that!!
I think Smoker fits better in this role
16 chars of Luffy.
you totally forgot about Corby!
he will be for Luffy what Garp was for Roger I bet on that!!
So not really an important antagonist then?
I normally read this forums for the interesting threads within and rarely post due to laziness and not going over old ground.
That said, I was thinking how much longer as a series One Piece has left to run. If it runs for about 120 volumes we're looking at 10 more years of the series. This makes it difficult to determine who the 'last boss' will be so to speak.
I think the Gorousei will be around as they are not only important but old enough to be linked with something in the One Piece world that happened back in the early days of the marines/connected with the significance of the Void Century (we know that Oda is good at not leaving issues/mysteries unexplained for too long).
As for who the team will fight, well pirates in OP represent freedom and all the pleasures, discovery and adventure that comes with it. The marines stand for order and control, capturing numerous pirates as it is their 'duty' to do so. I did wonder why the marines don't seem to differentiate between typical pirates and less vicious and more fun-loving types like The Strawhats. That said, Akainu with support from Kizaru, perhaps Fujitora and (depending on his personality) Midoriushi (supposed name of Green Bull) would be an interesting group representing the various degrees of the marines' 'justice' to take on Luffy and Co. at Marijoea (pardon the spelling). Aokiji could make an honourable appearance due to him still being present in both the manga and the films and how he's a sort of free spirit type of guy now in the OP world. I get the jist he'd back-up The Strawhats when in dire straits if required and I still believe he's Robin's father (I know this hasn't been confirmed in the manga but there are small hints through the story, plus I think it'd be a neat relationship).
I know commenters have mentioned Blackbeard and crew as the final competition but I think that would be more fitting at Raftel where One Piece supposedly lies. They and The Strawhats fighting over the ultimate final prize/treasure makes more sense than having a three-way with the marines. Shanks could be involved here too due to his history with both Luffy and Teach.
Coby fighting Luffy one-on-one in a sort of mano-et-mano style fist fight after the main journey of One Piece has ended would be a nice coda to the series. Firstly to show Coby's progression from the obedient little wimp he started out as to the upstanding and powerful marine he has become. Secondly to show Luffy his progress and that he hasn't been a slouch for the duration of time since he first met Luffy. And thirdly because I think they'd just enjoy having a brawl and then enjoy eating, drinking and bawling with laughter afterwards to reinforce their long-lasting friendship (or something that doesn't sound half as gay perhaps).
Anyhow, these are just some ideas and as long as he finishes the series he started (fingers crossed) Oda could take the story in a totally unexpected direction, in turn either wowing fans or pissing them of entirely as Luffy ends up finding an ability to bend time and make One Piece whatever he wants or something as ludicrous. Thankfully I don't think Oda will ever let fans down on that behalf. 16 years of awesome storytelling in One Piece so far is outstanding proof of that.
and having 2nd round with blackbeard as final villain is just don't make any sense. they will fight for the pirate king title in raftel or before going there, it's their ambition and their pride, being a pirate king is the hype, the selling point for the pirates fight…
having WG as final villain and not marines is more make sense, because marine is shown as WG mercenaries, even people like spandam can giving order to marines.
unless there's 'after the storm' battle, which is more like friendly fight, then we can have shanks or coby for the final fight...
@Holy:
I'm still really pissed that Brownbeard became an actual character
My favorite fake spoiler was the one about how the at the time nonexistant Brownbeard makes his first appearance yelling HOW FAIL OF YOU WHITEBEARD TO LOSE LIKE THIS AND SHAME THE BEARD FAMILY, GOOD THING MY BROTHER BLACK NEVER FAILS TO MAKE AN IMPACT
Why couldn't the Beard Family… have been the final foes
why oh why?
I was also hoping that…..but at least one of the beards will be the final foe....or maybe a new beard will be introduced......bluebeard:ninja:
@Warden:
I think Smoker fits better in this role
If only we had a thumbs up button…...
I normally read this forums for the interesting threads within and rarely post due to laziness and not going over old ground.
That said, I was thinking how much longer as a series One Piece has left to run. If it runs for about 120 volumes we're looking at 10 more years of the series. This makes it difficult to determine who the 'last boss' will be so to speak.
I think the Gorousei will be around as they are not only important but old enough to be linked with something in the One Piece world that happened back in the early days of the marines/connected with the significance of the Void Century (we know that Oda is good at not leaving issues/mysteries unexplained for too long).
As for who the team will fight, well pirates in OP represent freedom and all the pleasures, discovery and adventure that comes with it. The marines stand for order and control, capturing numerous pirates as it is their 'duty' to do so. I did wonder why the marines don't seem to differentiate between typical pirates and less vicious and more fun-loving types like The Strawhats. That said, Akainu with support from Kizaru, perhaps Fujitora and (depending on his personality) Midoriushi (supposed name of Green Bull) would be an interesting group representing the various degrees of the marines' 'justice' to take on Luffy and Co. at Marijoea (pardon the spelling). Aokiji could make an honourable appearance due to him still being present in both the manga and the films and how he's a sort of free spirit type of guy now in the OP world. I get the jist he'd back-up The Strawhats when in dire straits if required and I still believe he's Robin's father (I know this hasn't been confirmed in the manga but there are small hints through the story, plus I think it'd be a neat relationship).
I know commenters have mentioned Blackbeard and crew as the final competition but I think that would be more fitting at Raftel where One Piece supposedly lies. They and The Strawhats fighting over the ultimate final prize/treasure makes more sense than having a three-way with the marines. Shanks could be involved here too due to his history with both Luffy and Teach.
Coby fighting Luffy one-on-one in a sort of mano-et-mano style fist fight after the main journey of One Piece has ended would be a nice coda to the series. Firstly to show Coby's progression from the obedient little wimp he started out as to the upstanding and powerful marine he has become. Secondly to show Luffy his progress and that he hasn't been a slouch for the duration of time since he first met Luffy. And thirdly because I think they'd just enjoy having a brawl and then enjoy eating, drinking and bawling with laughter afterwards to reinforce their long-lasting friendship (or something that doesn't sound half as gay perhaps).
Anyhow, these are just some ideas and as long as he finishes the series he started (fingers crossed) Oda could take the story in a totally unexpected direction, in turn either wowing fans or pissing them of entirely as Luffy ends up finding an ability to bend time and make One Piece whatever he wants or something as ludicrous. Thankfully I don't think Oda will ever let fans down on that behalf. 16 years of awesome storytelling in One Piece so far is outstanding proof of that.
Gorosei is the final villain…
@Monkey:
It's really not though.
It's almost like, much like the heads of the Government, the fight with Blackbeard's group and people would happened WITHIN just such a huge war conflict etc.
Are you seriously unable to see how an evil D. has any role to play in some huge war involving the secret contents of the history?What exactly about the Elder Stars has painted them in any way as the uber-villains.
It's seriously dated thinking to assume
ANCIENT HISTORY = ALL GOOD
WORLD GOVERNMENT = ALL BADThis is the normal thought process post-Robin's flashback.
It should have been retired after Rayleigh's words that introduced ambiguity into the lost history.
But remember Whitebeards words. Why would he talk about a massive war if the lost history doesnt tell anything bad about the WG. Why would the WG even hide this history then, it is rpretty obvious that the WG is the "Evil Empire" while the straw hats have to become the "Paragon of Hope".
But remember Whitebeards words. Why would he talk about a massive war if the lost history doesnt tell anything bad about the WG.
Why would a massive war only involve the WG and not tons of different parties?
We already know the Lost History involves dangers and not just happy secrets. Like say…evil death weapons? Remember those?
Why would the WG even hide this history then,
Maybe the evil death weapons thing?
it is rpretty obvious that the WG is the "Evil Empire" while the straw hats have to become the "Paragon of Hope".
The WG are obviously the great evil neutral.
You tell me to recall WB's words, well I tell you to recall the words Rayleigh said.
I'm the last person who needs reminding of a war following the Poneglyph as I predicted it years before WB said that.
You guys… the final villain is Shanks, of course.
You guys… the final villain is Shanks, of course.
He's a villain? I thought he's a good guy…
He's a villain? I thought he's a good guy…
That's the twist, fool! He'll turn out to be Luffy's final nemesis after defeating Blackbeard and wanting to give Shanks his hat back - then he'll tell Luffy that he hasn't achieved anything and they'll fight to the death!
That's the twist, fool! He'll turn out to be Luffy's final nemesis after defeating Blackbeard and wanting to give Shanks his hat back - then he'll tell Luffy that he hasn't achieved anything and they'll fight to the death!
BWAHAHAHAHA … Nami will buy that hat from Shanks for 5 berries. As a matter of fact, Shanks owe 500.000.000 berries to Nami, for the troubles he gave to Nami for returning the hat. And that will make SHC feared in the ocean, because the world will know that the Red Hair Pirates always flee every time they encountering SHC. How's that for the twist !?
BWAHAHAHAHA … Nami will buy that hat from Shanks for 5 berries. As a matter of fact, Shanks owe 500.000.000 berries to Nami, for the troubles he gave to Nami for returning the hat. And that will make SHC feared in the ocean, because the world will know that the Red Hair Pirates always flee every time they encountering SHC. How's that for the twist !?
Lol that sounds good too. I want Luffy fighting Shanks though and prove how much he's grown. My theory above was just for fun, but I honestly believe they will fight some time (not as final villain but still), since Luffy said he's going to take down all the Yonkous. Or, as some theorise, Blackbeard will kill Shanks. But I prefer Luffy fighting Shanks and having a battle of respect. He's suffered enough losses, in my opinion. Shanks dying as well would feel wrong…
Well, if there's a fight between Luffy and Shanks, i think that will happen before finding One Piece or go to Raftel. It will be like Shanks testing Luffy's conviction/determination, because Shanks probably/knows what will happen to the person who find One Piece, or he know what kind of event will occur.
A fight against Luffy after one piece was found, would make as if he denies the achievement of his former captain, Gol D Roger.