@RobbyBevard:
Jinbe is the lifeguard, or the boatswain, or the fisherman, all legit needed jobs.
He's not the steering wheel guy, he just happens to have the strength to turn the wheel..
What is a boatswain? On the others I agree both are things nobody can do as good as him and are needed.
But even then Oda could easily bring up a strong need for Jinbei later on in the grandline when they come near Big Mom.
Since it was the subject in the last few pages, at least remotely, i have a question to the mods and admins:
Is this thread generally for discussion about "serious" candidates, meaning characters that have already fulfilled a certain amount of the prerequisites or can it also be used just to express your wish for certain characters to join?
Personally, i see no problem in just stating which characters you would like to join, even if it is only based on superficial things like quirks, appearances or gender but it becomes problematic of course when people suggest that certain characters to their liking have a good chance.
Thanks in advance for the clarification
Do people like the fact that Oda postponed Jinbei joining the crew?
I mean, if Jinbei were to join the Strawhats, to me he'd be the least interesting character in the crew personality-wise and him joining the crew and interacting with them would've been a great way to develop him and show us that he's interesting enough to be one of the main characters. But instead, he says he'll join later and basically reduce his "screentime" in the whole story.
I was really disappointed by this postponing because to me Oda threw away a chance to develop Jinbei more for no real reason other than maybe not having too many characters at once during this arc.
On the contrary, the delay gives Oda a chance to put Jinbe in the spotlight, develop his hopes, quirks and dreams, give him a personal flashback, and put him through an emotional wringer where he needs Luffys support, and THEN he joins properly, a much more fleshed out and well integrated part of the crew.
I'll be extremely surprised if the Big Mom arc isn't intended as a vehicle for Jinbe to obtain everyones love.
Well on Monet's case I always believed she would have join Law either after Dofla is beat down or when Law proves he had what it takes to do it. I pictured her as the psycho ready to join anyone as long as she gets to have fun.
The purpose of the thread is to discuss genuine theories or suggestions. More than anything it has been allowed to live because it keeps the chapter threads somewhat free of such nonsense.
What is a boatswain? On the others I agree both are things nobody can do as good as him and are needed.
The boatswain works in a ship's deck department as the foreman of the unlicensed deck crew. Sometimes, the boatswain is also a third or fourth mate. A bosun must be highly skilled in all matters of marlinespike seamanship required for working on deck of a seagoing vessel. The bosun is distinguished from other able seamen by the supervisory roles: planning, scheduling, and assigning work.
As deck crew foreman, the boatswain plans the day's work and assigns tasks to the deck crew. As work is completed, the boatswain checks on completed work for compliance with approved operating procedures.
Outside the supervisory role, the boatswain regularly inspects the vessel and performs a variety of routine, skilled, and semi-skilled duties to maintain all areas of the ship not maintained by the engineering department. These duties can include cleaning, painting, and maintaining the vessel's hull, superstructure and deck equipment as well as executing a formal preventive maintenance program. The boatswain is well versed in the care and handling of lines, and has knowledge of knots, hitches, bends, whipping, and splices as needed to perform tasks such as mooring a vessel .The boatswain typically operates the ship's windlasses when letting go and heaving up anchors.
(That aspect pretty much all goes to Franky and Usopp, so it wouldn't be Jinbe's role… though he can get underneath the ship easier than anyone else)
Moreover, a boatswain may be called upon to lead firefighting efforts or other emergency procedures encountered on board.Effective boatswains are able to integrate their seafarer skills into supervising and communicating with members of deck crew with often diverse backgrounds.
tl:dr- Coordinator, task manager, peacemaker, middleman
His skillset lends to him being lifeguard and catching fish, while his personality lends to boatswain.
Well on Monet's case I always believed she would have join Law either after Dofla is beat down or when Law proves he had what it takes to do it. I pictured her as the psycho ready to join anyone as long as she gets to have fun.
She is too loyal to DD to join someone who betrayed him though.
I retract my statement that he'd be the helmsman. I don't know much about ships, but the boatswain is definitely a more fitting role for Jinbe.
Let's not forget Jinbe's most important role: straight man.
@Green:
She is too loyal to DD to join someone who betrayed him though.
Which is the reason why I used past tense. I just meant that I never saw able to join an other crew than law.
The purpose of the thread is to discuss genuine theories or suggestions. More than anything it has been allowed to live because it keeps the chapter threads somewhat free of such nonsense.
Define genuine theories. I mean you can make a well thought out theory about a character that simply had no interaction with the SHs yet and generally had not much screen time and it still would be a genuine theory, best example would be your theory about Jinbe having a shot (in 2008-2009) and Jinbe basically did also not fit any kind of prerequisites, it was just a good choice from a storytelling point of view.
Define genuine theories. I mean you can make a well thought out theory about a character that simply had no interaction with the SHs yet and generally had not much screen time and it still would be a genuine theory, best example would be your theory about Jinbe having a shot (in 2008-2009) and Jinbe basically did also not fit any kind of prerequisites, it was just a good choice from a storytelling point of view.
You just answered your own question. My suggestion of Jinbe was before he had even appeared in the series and was just a name in Impel Down, and was therefore very circumstantial and therefore more of an exception to the overall rule, but yes something with good sense and support. Well though out theory is fine, but you'll have to fight for it, and if you don't have some supporting evidence you'll likely be crushed. Anyway, like I said, like any other thread discussion is free game so long as it is purposeful; being overly stubborn about something obviously stupid or making suggestions just because they seem cool or you like them are both good ways to get kicked from the thread.
@The:
On the contrary, the delay gives Oda a chance to put Jinbe in the spotlight, develop his hopes, quirks and dreams, give him a personal flashback, and put him through an emotional wringer where he needs Luffys support, and THEN he joins properly, a much more fleshed out and well integrated part of the crew.
I'll be extremely surprised if the Big Mom arc isn't intended as a vehicle for Jinbe to obtain everyones love.
Well, sure the big mom arc will develop Jinbei but did he really need to not join because of that? Especially since Luffy also started antagonizing Big mom at the end of fishman island and Jinbe motive for not joining seems to be tied to her.
My main problem with this postponing is that there is no reason to it. Jinbe said he has something to care of but didn't even tell Luffy what it was. Why did he not tell him? Is it something he needs to do alone? I guess I'll be okay with it when it's explained why years from now on and if it makes sense but right now it seems more like Oda didn't really know how to make Jinbe relevant to the current arcs.
Would it have been better if Robin went away at the end of Alabasta and only joined in Enies Lobby? That's the big arc that has her in the spotlight and develops her but she was relevant and entertaining in Skypiea too.
damn you beat me to it. Also, i think that Ussop is still the strategic brain in the crew (and master of deceive). Plus, he is the one who needed to be thanked for the ST Jolly Roger.
Nami and Sanji showed more strategic stuff as Usopp.
And to the first mate shit. Of course Zoro is it… but doesn't change the fact he is just a stated combatant and nothing else in the crew as for example Sanji.
Same for Usopp. Sniping is nothing more than a fighting role. Even Franky to a lesser degree could fill the role as Usopp filled the shipwright role till water 7 or Nami the cook role.
Luffy gives a fuck about Robins history shit as well and still she joined.
That's why it is stupid to say there is a need for a role and on the other side arguments as we don't need Jinbe cuz we have Sanji and his swimming skills and Chopper as helmsman.
Oda can let someone join without giving a role or he will write a role for him/her... As he had done with Franky and the CURRENT need of a helmsman
Well, sure the big mom arc will develop Jinbei but did he really need to not join because of that? Especially since Luffy also started antagonizing Big mom at the end of fishman island and Jinbe motive for not joining seems to be tied to her.
Yes, because we're doing the last Warlord arc right now. Having two warlords on their team (Law and Jinbe) would unbalance things pretty heavily against Doflamingo. After this is done and they move onto even harder opponents, and they've had just another arc or two to show of their timeskip strength and its fully settled that there's no huge inequality in power, they've had a chance to raise their bounties, and show they're not just dependant on Jinbe, it's fine.
My main problem with this postponing is that there is no reason to it. Jinbe said he has something to care of but didn't even tell Luffy what it was. Why did he not tell him? Is it something he needs to do alone?
Because Luffy would volunteer and get entangled in what Jinbe feels is his problem and debt to deal with. Yes, we as readers know that'll eventually happen ANYWAY, but Jinbe wants to handle it himself. His old crew and his old promises are his problem… and thats one of he recurring personality faults... he shoulders all responsibilities and guilt on himself. Did it as knight of the kingdom, leader of the sun pirates, as a warlord, as an ex warlord, and now again as a representitive of FI. It's what he does, and its the main difficulty Luffy needs to free him from.
There's a large difference between Luffy saying "someday I'll deal with you Big Mom!" and Luffy going "I'll deal with you in a fistfight in three days Big Mom!" ... and more difference still between Jinbe saying "Maybe I can negotiate something peaceful on my own..."
I guess I'll be okay with it when it's explained why years from now on and if it makes sense but right now it seems more like Oda didn't really know how to make Jinbe relevant to the current arcs.
He did fine during the war and FI. There just needs to be a bit more time for the strawhats to shine on their own in the new world, and a more gradual buildup to fighting a yonkou, one of the last major challenges Oda will have in the series.
Would it have been better if Robin went away at the end of Alabasta and only joined in Enies Lobby? That's the big arc that has her in the spotlight and develops her but she was relevant and entertaining in Skypiea too.
She needed Skypeia to have time to come to like the crew (and for them to like her back) and be willing to sacrifice herself for them and start the trail of the true history. Her arc in W7 wouldn't have worked at all if she'd gone straight from villain cronie to traitor a few chapters later.
A much more relevant example is Nami leaving the crew to go deal with Arlong and shoulder her responsibilities. She wanted to stay, but… there were prior commitments she had to deal with. (Of course, that was a much shorter span of chapters.)
@William:
Did you miss how loyal Doflamingo's crew is to him? Baby5? Buffalo? Monet? Vergo? Bellamy? Caesar Clown?
Man, Violet sure is loyal…
Man, Violet sure is loyal…
She is for the most part. Sanji was pretty useless to her anyways since she couldn't get any information out of him, and charmed her somewhat, so she let him go.
Bartolomeo will join and his role will be defender + comedian troll. Luffy loves funny people as he loves musicians
@William:
She is for the most part. Sanji was pretty useless to her anyways since she couldn't get any information out of him, and charmed her somewhat, so she let him go.
Yeah, and gave out a huge piece of information althought a bit late…her loyalty is huuuuuuuuuuge!
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I just want to propose Jola as new nakama: She has an unique appearance, her quirk, namely being overly dramatic about her definition of beauty, is also pretty unique, and she has very special powers.
Dude, Morris the candigato from Mexico has better chances than her, and he's not even in the fking story. Most of Oda's characters have a unique appearance, have some quirk and some very unique powers. Based on your standards, 90% of the cast are nakama material.
naruto was WAY MORE KICKASS after the timeskip
i mean to show his badassness, him and sakura managed to get the bell from kakashi. beating pacifista's is so lame compared to that awesomeness
@Green:
Going by that logic Jinbei isnt joining either since Luffy drowning hasn't been a major problem since Arlong Park.
What the heck are you talking about, there's been like a "shit save the devil fruit people, they fell in the water" moment every arc.
Yeah, and gave out a huge piece of information althought a bit late…her loyalty is huuuuuuuuuuge!
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Dude, Morris the candigato from Mexico has better chances than her, and he's not even in the fking story. Most of Oda's characters have a unique appearance, have some quirk and some very unique powers. Based on your standards, 90% of the cast are nakama material.
Read the thread again, dude
@William:
She is for the most part. Sanji was pretty useless to her anyways since she couldn't get any information out of him, and charmed her somewhat, so she let him go.
Yeah, it's not like she also gave Sanji info about what was truly going on and attacked her own subordinates.
Yeah, it's not like she also gave Sanji info about what was truly going on and attacked her own subordinates.
Yeah, it's not like you're picking the one exception to try and deny the obvious pattern seen in almost all other Dolfa people so far.
@Monkey:
Yeah, it's not like you're picking the one exception to try and deny the obvious pattern seen in almost all other Dolfa people so far.
I'm just saying that not all of Dofla's subordinates are 100% loyal. I don't believe any of them will join the SH unless jokingly.
And Violet is not the only exception.
@RobbyBevard:
Yes, because we're doing the last Warlord arc right now. Having two warlords on their team (Law and Jinbe) would unbalance things pretty heavily against Doflamingo. After this is done and they move onto even harder opponents, and they've had just another arc or two to show of their timeskip strength and its fully settled that there's no huge inequality in power, they've had a chance to raise their bounties, and show they're not just dependant on Jinbe, it's fine.
I don't think it would be that unbalanced, it's not like this is math and 2 Shichibukais > 1 Shichibukai or DB in which power levels is all that matters in battles. Also, Doflamingo's most dangerous attribute seems to be his influence rather than battle prowess so far and there's also the fact he can make devil fruits of his own and gets a lot of devil fruits rather easily because of his connections. I also think it has already been shown in fishman island that there is no huge inequality in power between Jinbei and the Strawhats.
@RobbyBevard:
Because Luffy would volunteer and get entangled in what Jinbe feels is his problem and debt to deal with. Yes, we as readers know that'll eventually happen ANYWAY, but Jinbe wants to handle it himself. His old crew and his old promises are his problem… and thats one of he recurring personality faults... he shoulders all responsibilities and guilt on himself. Did it as knight of the kingdom, leader of the sun pirates, as a warlord, as an ex warlord, and now again as a representitive of FI. It's what he does, and its the main difficulty Luffy needs to free him from.
There's a large difference between Luffy saying "someday I'll deal with you Big Mom!" and Luffy going "I'll deal with you in a fistfight in three days Big Mom!" ... and more difference still between Jinbe saying "Maybe I can negotiate something peaceful on my own..."
Now that you've said that…Why DIDN'T Luffy at least offer to help Jinbei anyway when he said he had things to care of? Doesn't he consider him one of his companions now? The invitation basically went like :" Join me, Jinbei! No, I've got some stuff I'm not going to tell you about to take care of. Lol, kthxbye." Has Luffy ever been that unasserting when inviting someone to his crew? This whole "I'll join later" situation just felt forced and unnecessary to me.
The Robin example was really kind of lame. My bad.
I don't think it would be that unbalanced, it's not like this is math and 2 Shichibukais > 1 Shichibukai or DB in which power levels is all that matters in battles.
It wouldn't be that huge a difference overall, since Jinbe is around Zoro and Sanji's strength level… but there's still some audience feeling that he's more powerful, and has more experience in the new world. The fact that the complaint keeps coming up shows that. By giving him a little more space and more time for the SHs to shine on their own, (and for their bounties to raise) it takes away any doubt or pressure that Jinbe would overshadow them.
(Similarly, he WAS overpowered compared to everyone else pre-timeskip. But obviously the jump alleviated a lot of that.)
Now that you've said that…Why DIDN'T Luffy at least offer to help Jinbei anyway when he said he had things to care of?
Because Jinbe, understanding Luffy's personality, said it in a way to keep Luffy from jumping in. Because Jinbe feels he has to take care of his burdens and debts alone.
"I've got this one easy thing to take care of, then I'll join you." which Luffy is okay with. The guy has responsibilities because of the whole fishman thing, luffy doesn't want to be a hero, so it'll sort itself out. And despite the fact Luffy has in the past pressured guys that said they didn't want to leave but deep down really do (Sanji, Chopper, Franky) he'd never force a condition on someone. If he has buisness to do first… he has buisness to do first.
And he promised to meet up with him again, so... that's good enough.
If Jinbe had said "I'm going to go talk to Big Mom, then I'll join you" Luffy would have been riled up. Or, if Jinbe had said "I've got a difficult task ahead, if I survive it, then..." the way Nami, Vivi, Robin or Brook did... Luffy wouldn't have stopped till it was dealt with.
Instead, far as he knows, Jinbe basically promised to join up with him in a couple weeks after going off to do some errands for his old crew. (And loyalty to your friends is SUPER important to Luffy.) If he'd refused outright or hinted at bigger problems, Luffy would have made a bigger fuss about it and wouldn't have dropped it so easily.
Well, sure the big mom arc will develop Jinbei but did he really need to not join because of that?
Adding a bit to your discussion with Robby: Apart from the wholepower balance thing, Jinbe would just do well to have an arc with loads of Jinbe-focused moments and drama. He was amajor player in fishman island, yes, but all the drama of that arc hinged on the royal family, and fishmankind as a whole. For all the other crewmembers, they had their big arc-centric drama prior to joining. Nami and Robin are exemptions, in that they had all the drama prior to their official, permanent joining, once they'd let go of intent to screw the crew over.
But Jinbe was pretty much agreeing to become a full-fledged official crewmember, no funny business, before getting even a stated dream.
I don't think that Violet really betrayed Doflamingo for Sanji yet, that cute "You are such an idiot" or whatever that she used to say goodbye, seems to me more closely to "Thanks for making my spy job easier without having to see through your dirty mind", than "oh, thanks for saving me, but I don't think that you can"
@Monkey:
What the heck are you talking about, there's been like a "shit save the devil fruit people, they fell in the water" moment every arc.
None of which the current straw hats coudn't deal with. (except for chopper in skypiea)
I don't think that Violet really betrayed Doflamingo for Sanji yet, that cute "You are such an idiot" or whatever that she used to say goodbye, seems to me more closely to "Thanks for making my spy job easier without having to see through your dirty mind", than "oh, thanks for saving me, but I don't think that you can"
16 characters of agreement. Don't think Violent has become an 'ally' for the Strawhats yet, pretty sure shes still bad.
@Green:
None of which the current straw hats coudn't deal with. (except for chopper in skypiea)
Except the multiple times they drowned during the FI arc?
@RobbyBevard:
Except the multiple times they drowned during the FI arc?
Twice. One at the begining of the arc and the other when Fukaboshi helped Luffy when fighing Hody. But the whole island is underwater and i don't think we'll ever have that again.
Hmm…It makes sense that Jinbei tried to keep Luffy out of it on purpose, with him trying to take responsability for everything and stuff. I still think it could have been handled better than what we got though. I wonder if he will come back to the story right after Luffy gets a new bounty since it will be higher than Jinbe's and Oda seems to have a "captain must always have the highest bounty on the crew" thing ever since the beginning.
Well, Robin was higher for like… a volume?
@Green:
Twice. One at the begining of the arc and the other when Fukaboshi helped Luffy when fighing Hody. But the whole island is underwater and i don't think we'll ever have that again.
And when Hody's forces flooded the palace. And when Zoro fought Hody. And when half the crew was in a cage.
And on the Baratie. And Arlong Park. And Reverse Mountain. And Skypeia. And when they met Mr.2. And Wapol. And when they couldn't get Tonjit between islands on Long Ring. And Water 7 repeatedly. And Impel Down. And the War. Often in little side gags between arcs. They've even had risk of drowning in a DESERT in Alabasta.
They've had problems with water all the time, and the cries of "get the devil fruit users!" is pretty regular. It's not a problem that's suddenly going to go away.
I'm just saying that not all of Dofla's subordinates are 100% loyal. I don't believe any of them will join the SH unless jokingly.
And Violet is not the only exception.
We are talking about Monet, so what was your point.
@RobbyBevard:
And when Hody's forces flooded the palace. And when Zoro fought Hody. And when half the crew was in a cage.
And on the Baratie. And Arlong Park. And Reverse Mountain. And Skypeia. And when they met Mr.2. And Wapol. And when they couldn't get Tonjit between islands on Long Ring. And Water 7 repeatedly. And Impel Down. And the War. Often in little side gags between arcs. They've even had risk of drowning in a DESERT in Alabasta.
They've had problems with water all the time, and the cries of "get the devil fruit users!" is pretty regular. It's not a problem that's suddenly going to go away.
I was talking about the times when they coudn't save themselves and they needed a Jinbei or someone else to save them.
Edit: I still dont think you necessarily need a job to join the crew but if you do, you listed Jinbei's possible jobs very nicely
Doflamingo for new nakama after he beat the S*** out of Law, put the StrawHats in constant danger, make Bellamy regret his actions toward him, slave DressRosians and make them work in a factory against their will, be responsible for the creation of living toys via some unknown Devil Fruit, Mushroom cultivated by the little people or whatever the H*** he's up to and again DOFLAMINGO FOR NEW NAKAMA
You can pretty much track potential new Straw Hats by matching them against the existing Blackbeard Pirates.
Having a super-sized giant in their crew makes adding a gnome rather likely.
Plus, well, Jinbe is a shark, right?
What's the natural enemy of a shark?
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Wow, I don't know how a theory can make you virgins go mad.
I guess I don't have strong evidence towards Monet joining the SH/Law, we'll just have to see how the story progresses. Mingo is a noble right? So what do they do with there power? Looking at it from my point of view, Mingo is using his powers to intimidate the citizens and some of the crew( probably not the high ranking ones). Remember even Barto pointed out that they are disgusting(when he throws the "bomb" at them), they even said some things that the nobles would say, kinda fishy. We have to look at things thru poor Barto's eyes.
@Croco~Boy:
Wow, I don't know how a theory can make you virgins go mad.
That really the approach you want to go with?
Is funny how even though someone gives valid information straight from the manga, the same people always flip out at the slightest statement. If Oda decides he doesn't want to do it , then he won't add them to the crew.Simple.
This is a discussion thread, right? So why not let people argue for whomever they want to see, its not like Oda checks this site for any feedback.
@Croco~Boy:
Is funny how even though someone gives valid information straight from the manga, the same people always flip out at the slightest statement. If Oda decides he doesn't want to do it , then he won't add them to the crew.Simple.
This is a discussion thread, right? So why not let people argue for whomever they want to see, its not like Oda checks this site for any feedback.
shut up virgin, buttwipe lol, why don't u go kiss a gay
@Croco~Boy:
Wow, I don't know how a theory can make you virgins go mad.
You realize this is basically you hoisting up a white flag, right? The last line of defense that comes crashing down before the fall?
This ain't the place for that type of talk. Will your giant testosterone-fueled pickup that you use to bang chicks with twenty-five / seven really win you your argument? Maybe if you ran us all over with it.
Monet won't join. She's pretty cardboard-thin to me and on that basis alone I don't really see it. One thing I can say about our main cast is that they're quite distinguished from one another. I just don't see her really blending in and being distinct at the same time, personality-wise.
@Croco~Boy:
Wow, I don't know how a theory can make you virgins
I'm sorry, but I have to. When else could I use this pic?
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@RobbyBevard:
That really the approach you want to go with?
Wait, is that "approach" is unacceptable? I mean, i see it as funny enough and not just an all-out flame attack?
Seems i used to internet s*** too much i just noticed that "approach" after a few people quote it.
@Jinbe and water discussion
I am experiencing major Deja vu.
@Jinbe and water discussion
I am experiencing major Deja vu.
it comes up every month or so. I bet you can find 5 separate discussions of it on this thread if you went through all the pages.
How many nn candidates have been suggested in Dressrosa so far? I'm trying to determine if Oda has set a new record for characters that we as readers want to join the crew. I mean, so far I've seen Bellamy, Barto, Violet, Rebecca, the toy helping Franky (forgot the name, lightning soldier perhaps?, and a few others whose name I cannot recall at the moment.
@Monkey:
How many nn candidates have been suggested in Dressrosa so far? I'm trying to determine if Oda has set a new record for characters that we as readers want to join the crew. I mean, so far I've seen Bellamy, Barto, Violet, Rebecca, the toy helping Franky (forgot the name, lightning soldier perhaps?, and a few others whose name I cannot recall at the moment.
Fishman Island was also something of a clusterfuck of random nakama suggestions.
I recall seeing theories for Caribou, Kraken/Surume, Hatchan, Hyozou, Fukaboshi, Shirahoshi, Den, Shyari/Shirley, Hody and f*cking Arlong.
I'm tempted to say Van Der Decken was also mentioned but my memory can't fathom such an event having happened.
