eh who cares?
Start the Nami v Usopp debates!
Nami will win.
I remember reading someone where that Usopp will always remain the weakest Strawhat
Then again… Usopp could outsmart her...
eh who cares?
Start the Nami v Usopp debates!
Nami will win.
I remember reading someone where that Usopp will always remain the weakest Strawhat
Then again… Usopp could outsmart her...
I'm pretty sure sanji and Zoro are just about equal, with zoro a little bit stronger
or rather
Zoro > Sanji
Zoro = Sanji (Diable Jambe)
Zoro (Asura mode) > Sanji (Diable Jambe)
Zoro (Asura mode) = Sanji (Hell memories)Sanji vs Zoro would be like Aokiji vs Akainu, it would last a long time, and they'd be about equal, with Zoro coming out on top
Ashura is just a attack. And you can't be equal and say one is stronger.
Doesn't prove a thing. He was the only one to face that trial therefore you don't have any proof Sanji wouldn't be just as good.
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He was the same level with Bentham. But Jabura sure was fast to deal with.
Sanji's whole body was shivering while talking to Kuma.
Nami will win.
I remember reading someone where that Usopp will always remain the weakest Strawhat
Then again… Usopp could outsmart her...
… I don't know about that, we have already seen some of the snipers that Usopp will have to face and being the weakest in the crew won't help him at all but If the weakest mean being able to beat VA... I'm fine with it
Sanji's whole body was shivering while talking to Kuma.
From what I remember he was just panting a little.
From what I remember he was just panting a little.
This situation while Oda's attempt to make Zoro even more badass, he basically crapped all over Luffy's endurance and made Zoro nearly have nearly twice as much endurance as Luffy, a guy that literally won't die no matter how much you beat the crap out of him. If Sanji was another one who had nearly twice as much endurance as Zoro, that would be a slap in the face to the captain. But the way it's portrayed in the episode, I really can't imagine Sanji living after that.
I think you are seriously underestimating Zoro quite a bit and we will see in a bit though. My guess is Zoro if a Doflamingo vs Strawhearts fights happen, will beat whoever he is put up against with medium difficulty (in other words still not see what he's really made of) unless it's Doflamingo or another major player. We will only see his real strength and probably see him needing to raise a bit further in that, when he beats Kaido's right hand man, or BM's. That's my prediction, so we will see what happens. Their rise to strength was astronomical in less than a year during the Archipelago arc, now being trained everyday by Mihawk it is already showing currently the effects as Zoro has been beating everyone in a very, very easy fashion. It would be pretty freaking pathetic if he can't beat Doflamingo's right hand man Vergo, in other words his 2 year timeskip is not really impressive at all.
Nami will win.
I remember reading someone where that Usopp will always remain the weakest Strawhat
Then again… Usopp could outsmart her…
Not happening. Nami has the third highest I.Q. of all the characters introduced in East Blue.
Not happening. Nami has the third highest I.Q. of all the characters introduced in East Blue.
3rd highest? Who are the two before her?
2nd Kuro
1st Benn Beckman
While I'm willing to agree with this, where are you guys getting this info from? A data book?
3rd highest? Who are the two before her?
One is Kuro but I don't remember who the other one is
Doesn't prove a thing. He was the only one to face that trial therefore you don't have any proof Sanji wouldn't be just as good.
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He was the same level with Bentham. But Jabura sure was fast to deal with.
they were both standing yes but afterwards zoro knocked sanji with a jab to the side and then sanji feinted. Zoro then proceeded to take some of the pain from luffy and still stood then went and took all of it, while Still standing… he then stood there for awhile until sanji found him before he passed out. if this doesnt prove that zoro is more durable than sanji then i guess i'll have to politely disagree with you sir/madam.
While I'm willing to agree with this, where are you guys getting this info from? A data book?
SBS Volume 8, I think its there.
Zoro/Sanji are of equal strength. Oda put it out there petty plainly when he gave the follow Doriki readings:
Rob Lucci: 4000
Kaku: 2200
Jabra: 2180
Basically a way of saying, Luffy is the top dog and Zoro is not near his level. Then there is Sanji/Zoro who are almost equal, but Zoro has the slightest edge. It's stupid to use Bounties or w/e to compare because Oda abuses Sanji for gags too much to really make it a worthwhile discussion.
Nami may be intelligent, but Ussop could still be "clever" which he has demonstrated a few times. Then again, Nami is remarkably clever at times too so shrug
4:20 onwardsThis situation while Oda's attempt to make Zoro even more badass, he basically crapped all over Luffy's endurance and made Zoro nearly have nearly twice as much endurance as Luffy, a guy that literally won't die no matter how much you beat the crap out of him. If Sanji was another one who had nearly twice as much endurance as Zoro, that would be a slap in the face to the captain. But the way it's portrayed in the episode, I really can't imagine Sanji living after that.
I think you are seriously underestimating Zoro quite a bit and we will see in a bit though. My guess is Zoro if a Doflamingo vs Strawhearts fights happen, will beat whoever he is put up against with medium difficulty (in other words still not see what he's really made of) unless it's Doflamingo or another major player. We will only see his real strength and probably see him needing to raise a bit further in that, when he beats Kaido's right hand man, or BM's. That's my prediction, so we will see what happens. Their rise to strength was astronomical in less than a year during the Archipelago arc, now being trained everyday by Mihawk it is already showing currently the effects as Zoro has been beating everyone in a very, very easy fashion. It would be pretty freaking pathetic if he can't beat Doflamingo's right hand man Vergo, in other words his 2 year timeskip is not really impressive at all.
while i agree with you that zoro does have more endurance than luffy i disagree that its nearly twice. i watched the video but then i went back to read the chapters. most of luffy's extreme fights enel, lucci, and crocodile, luffy is back at arnd 100% or close to it in a matter of days. his worse fight to me was lucci and he was back up with no physical ailments in about two days (garp woke him up) his longest sleep was 3 days i think for crocodile. if u take this into consideration, zoro was awake after 2 days but then they sailed to shaboady which took several (they didnt say how many exactly) days to get their, then on top of which a few extra time to get to shaboady and extra time lapse before the serious fighting ensued. after this zoro was seen still in pain from these very injuries to show he wasnt close to 100%. I think this is key in showing luffy's own endurance. again, i do AGREE zoro has more endurance than luffy (at the time) i just dont think it was twice as much.
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Zoro/Sanji are of equal strength. Oda put it out there petty plainly when he gave the follow Doriki readings:
Rob Lucci: 4000
Kaku: 2200
Jabra: 2180Basically a way of saying, Luffy is the top dog and Zoro is not near his level. Then there is Sanji/Zoro who are almost equal, but Zoro has the slightest edge. It's stupid to use Bounties or w/e to compare because Oda abuses Sanji for gags too much to really make it a worthwhile discussion.
i dont think thats valid enough proof even though i do think they are almost of equal strength. sanji was quite injured after his fight with kalifa before he found jabra and after he did their fight ended fairly quickly. zoro was also handicapped against both jabra and kaku and took some damaged while chained to usopp before his 1 on 1 with kaku and then his fight ended fairly quickly after that too. when we look at the end result of luffy's fight, luffy won but was unable to move afterwards showing how tough an opponent lucci was. with that said, i think sanji and zoro ranged from the lowest 2200 to almost 4000. because of this i think the range is too big to say this alone is proof enough they were equal in strength.
Doriki is like the Power Levels in DragonBall, they aren't relevant.
while i agree with you that zoro does have more endurance than luffy i disagree that its nearly twice. i watched the video but then i went back to read the chapters. most of luffy's extreme fights enel, lucci, and crocodile, luffy is back at arnd 100% or close to it in a matter of days. his worse fight to me was lucci and he was back up with no physical ailments in about two days (garp woke him up) his longest sleep was 3 days i think for crocodile. if u take this into consideration, zoro was awake after 2 days but then they sailed to shaboady which took several (they didnt say how many exactly) days to get their, then on top of which a few extra time to get to shaboady and extra time lapse before the serious fighting ensued. after this zoro was seen still in pain from these very injuries to show he wasnt close to 100%. I think this is key in showing luffy's own endurance. again, i do AGREE zoro has more endurance than luffy (at the time) i just dont think it was twice as much.
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i dont think thats valid enough proof even though i do think they are almost of equal strength. sanji was quite injured after his fight with kalifa before he found jabra and after he did their fight ended fairly quickly. zoro was also handicapped against both jabra and kaku and took some damaged while chained to usopp before his 1 on 1 with kaku and then his fight ended fairly quickly after that too. when we look at the end result of luffy's fight, luffy won but was unable to move afterwards showing how tough an opponent lucci was. with that said, i think sanji and zoro ranged from the lowest 2200 to almost 4000. because of this i think the range is too big to say this alone is proof enough they were equal in strength.
Zoro was barely moving himself (his panting was excessive) after his injuries before he took all of Luffy's pain. So we can conclude from his injuries there that he took on close to as much hit as Luffy, add the attacks from Luffy and he was still standing. That's why his endurance level is nearly twice as much, because his initial damage was close but not to the level of Luffy's, add the damage of Luffy and you get my estimation. He also had the hits from Mihawk and still fought (albeit he felt it after a bit), the guy's endurance from what is shown is on a whole other level, which is saying something since Luffy's endurance itself is probably the 2nd most impressive in the series shown so far.
What you're using as an example is the ability to heal faster after injuries, not necessarily endurance. That Luffy is unnaturally impressive at and they are around similar levels.
4:20 onwardsThis situation while Oda's attempt to make Zoro even more badass, he basically crapped all over Luffy's endurance and made Zoro nearly have nearly twice as much endurance as Luffy, a guy that literally won't die no matter how much you beat the crap out of him. If Sanji was another one who had nearly twice as much endurance as Zoro, that would be a slap in the face to the captain. But the way it's portrayed in the episode, I really can't imagine Sanji living after that.
I think you are seriously underestimating Zoro quite a bit and we will see in a bit though. My guess is Zoro if a Doflamingo vs Strawhearts fights happen, will beat whoever he is put up against with medium difficulty (in other words still not see what he's really made of) unless it's Doflamingo or another major player. We will only see his real strength and probably see him needing to raise a bit further in that, when he beats Kaido's right hand man, or BM's. That's my prediction, so we will see what happens. Their rise to strength was astronomical in less than a year during the Archipelago arc, now being trained everyday by Mihawk it is already showing currently the effects as Zoro has been beating everyone in a very, very easy fashion. It would be pretty freaking pathetic if he can't beat Doflamingo's right hand man Vergo, in other words his 2 year timeskip is not really impressive at all.
While you bring up good points regarding Zoro's endurance and strength, you also have to take into account the amount of damage both Zoro and Sanji took throughout TB. Now, it's been a while since I last saw it, but Zoro didn't have the hardest time ever against Ryuma. Yes, it was a cool battle, but Zoro was relatively unscathed from what I remember. While Absalom was a very weak opponent by comparison, Sanji was messed up pretty bad. He got his entire body smashed around by Absalom (who did have some great weight behind his punches), then he got stabbed right through the heart/chest. Against Oars, I think Sanji may have gotten smashed up the most between him and Zoro too (again, I can't remember every detail, it's by memory). So I think if anything, it was even footing for both of them in terms of endurance. I saw it that Sanji suffered a lot more damage prior to offering himself to Kuma (hence why Zoro didn't want Sanji to risk it), while Zoro mostly got damage during the fight against Oars (ie, he had enough endurance for him to POSSIBLY survive Kuma's ordeal).
Now while people say now, for TS Zoro being stronger than TS Sanji, I still say it's too early to say…though everyone is always gonna say that Zoro trained w/ Mihawk, or Zoro's bounty is bigger. well, for the bounty thing...Zoro's 1st bounty was 60 million, while Sanji's 1st bounty was 77 million. And also, Zoro trained w/ Mihawk, for as much as we know, on and off (trained some days, rested other days). Sanji's training required him to be on alert 24/7 against an entire island of strong newkamas. Not only that, but the recipes that Sanji ended up getting will prove not only invaluable to himself but to the whole crew.
That's my 2 cents on the matter. ^^
they were both standing yes but afterwards zoro knocked sanji with a jab to the side and then sanji feinted. Zoro then proceeded to take some of the pain from luffy and still stood then went and took all of it, while Still standing
Like I said it's assumption(legitimate but assumption anyway).
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i dont think thats valid enough proof even though i do think they are almost of equal strength. sanji was quite injured after his fight with kalifa before he found jabra and after he did their fight ended fairly quickly. zoro was also handicapped against both jabra and kaku and took some damaged while chained to usopp before his 1 on 1 with kaku and then his fight ended fairly quickly after that too. when we look at the end result of luffy's fight, luffy won but was unable to move afterwards showing how tough an opponent lucci was. with that said, i think sanji and zoro ranged from the lowest 2200 to almost 4000. because of this i think the range is too big to say this alone is proof enough they were equal in strength.
It wasn't that quick. Sanji managed to start and finish his match between the interval and theyexchange blow for quite a time.
Zoro was barely moving himself (his panting was excessive) after his injuries before he took all of Luffy's pain. So we can conclude from his injuries there that he took on close to as much hit as Luffy, add the attacks from Luffy and he was still standing. That's why his endurance level is nearly twice as much, because his initial damage was close but not to the level of Luffy's, add the damage of Luffy and you get my estimation. He also had the hits from Mihawk and still fought (albeit he felt it after a bit), the guy's endurance from what is shown is on a whole other level, which is saying something since Luffy's endurance itself is probably the 2nd most impressive in the series shown so far.
What you're using as an example is the ability to heal faster after injuries, not necessarily endurance. That Luffy is unnaturally impressive at and they are around similar levels.
our difference of opinion is that he took as much beating as luffy did prior. i honestly dont think so. luffy had 100 shadows, gear 2 and gear 3 both at the same time while all still battling moria by himself and oz with the group. i dont think zoro's panting was excessive as he even sat their and slowed his breathing back to regular and even with that we cant conclude he took as much as luffy. they had different encounters and different challenges so we cant just assume he did. btw just wanna point out im not disagreeing that his endurance is greater, i just dont think its almost twice.
wont disagree with you on the second as you are correct but i do think they are related
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Like I said it's assumption(legitimate but assumption anyway) .
ok, i dont think its an assumption but you yourself think it is so if you dont mind i'd like you to look at these questions and tell m what you think.
1.) kuma pointed out that what the bubble was, was all the damage and stress luffy took fighting moria and oz, this is true is it not?
2.) sanji got hit by zoro and proceeded to feint a short while after, is this not also true?
3.) which damage was greater, the hit by the sword hilt or luffy's damage from moria and oz?
4.) how long did it take for zoro to pass out?
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It wasn't that quick. Sanji managed to start and finish his match between the interval and theyexchange blow for quite a time.
i'll look at the fight again but from my recollection it wasnt that long
they were both standing yes but afterwards zoro knocked sanji with a jab to the side and then sanji feinted. Zoro then proceeded to take some of the pain from luffy and still stood then went and took all of it, while Still standing… he then stood there for awhile until sanji found him before he passed out. if this doesnt prove that zoro is more durable than sanji then i guess i'll have to politely disagree with you sir/madam.
Dude come on are you for real?? Even a kid knows when you hit someone unexpectedly they will get knocked out. Don't you see it in movies, when they come behind someone and hit them they fall unconscious immediately but from the front they won't… Sanji wasn't expecting that attack from Zoro and his mind and body wasn't ready for it that's why he fainted, same thing would've happened to Zoro if Sanji had hit him from behind.
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Ok now I'm 200% sure- Zoro & Sanji will get COC.
Roger pirates= Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks and probably Copper has COC(maybe more people, you never know).
WB pirates= WB, Ace,(maybe Blackbeard or Marco has it aswell, still never know)
So it's natural for the future pirate King with the smallest crew to have 3 COC users including himself, will show how they are really above other pirates- other pirates are all the same -Captain & Vice-Captain-, WB has family & commanders but the SHs are different from them, they are friends and have the "trio"- Monster trio and Weak trio..
Strawhat Pirates= Luffy, Zoro & Sanji will be the COC haki users..
Something I've always wanted to clarify about the supernovas. "Supernovas" isn't an official One Piece term or rather it isn't a title. The Supernovas were just what Shaki called the 11 rookies who had bounties of over 100million and had gathered in one place at the same time which in turn was like a supernova like explosion about to happen.
Just wanted to point out that the plural of "supernova" is "supernovae".
Dude come on are you for real?? Even a kid knows when you hit someone unexpectedly they will get knocked out. Don't you see it in movies, when they come behind someone and hit them they fall unconscious immediately but from the front they won't… Sanji wasn't expecting that attack from Zoro and his mind and body wasn't ready for it that's why he fainted, same thing would've happened to Zoro if Sanji had hit him from behind.
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your bolded statement was an assumption based on what u expect. unexpected hits happen all the time in one piece and ppl have not feinted. to name a few;
1. sanji vs. jabra… sanji ran away after getting the key tricking jabra and then proceeded to blast his face kicking him across the room.
2. whitebeard vs akainu... WB came behind akainu after he killed ace and he didnt pass out
3. marco v. kizaru... after marco was running to WB he got himself handcuffed and got shot twice from kizaru
4. zoro v kuma... zoro surprised slashed him after his ursus shock
Part of fighting is preparing for the unexpected, u wont always know when you're gonna get hit and you will take damage. zoro and sanji had a shichibukai infront of them, so they were still in the middle of battle. there was no way for sanji to know kuma would even take their offer seriously at the time. Being prepared to take a hit helps alot but if you're telling me that sanji being ready for it would equal him being able to handle what luffy just went through when he was not able to take a weakened zoro hit unexpectedly, my good sir, i disagree. if you still disagree with me after this then we'll just have difference of opinions.
Smokers getting alot of undeserved hate lets take a look at the fights he lost
VS Law: Ok this one he lost fair and square
VS Vergo:This one he lost on purpose to get Laws heart I know alot of people will say "thats stupid he couldve just beaten him then got the heart" well it was for plot reasons otherwise we wouldnt have gotten that epic scene with Law sliceing the mountain in half IMO Vergo is at most just as strong as Smoker
VS Doflamingo:He had just fought two monsters he was still injured if he was at 100% he obviously still wouldve lost but he wouldve put up a better fight
All in all Smokers still a BAMF who doesnt give a fuck " I have no idea….Joker" "I guess I'll have to apologize to base commander Vergo when I get back"
My prediction for the next chapter
Law: aight niggas before we go to dressrosa we gon' head to a place called green bitt to meet up with mah boys
@Joy:
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And regarding Zoro.Vergo was a Haki beast.I'm sure that the only one who has a possibility of having better Haki than him is Luffy.
He'd have broken a leg for sure, but lost? That's simply speculation.
Smokers getting alot of undeserved hate lets take a look at the fights he lost
VS Law: Ok this one he lost fair and square
VS Vergo:This one he lost on purpose to get Laws heart I know alot of people will say "thats stupid he couldve just beaten him then got the heart" well it was for plot reasons otherwise we wouldnt have gotten that epic scene with Law sliceing the mountain in half IMO Vergo is at most just as strong as Smoker
VS Doflamingo:He had just fought two monsters he was still injured if he was at 100% he obviously still wouldve lost but he wouldve put up a better fightAll in all Smokers still a BAMF who doesnt give a fuck " I have no idea….Joker" "I guess I'll have to apologize to base commander Vergo when I get back"
My prediction for the next chapter
Law: aight niggas before we go to dressrosa we gon' head to a place called green bitt to meet up with mah boys
Its his performance and on how Oda handled him for the most part.
If you're a character who's been mopping the floor consecutively… it can't be helped.
Its Smoker's lowest level of performance to date. Even lower than his ugly hair and scar.
I hope you still remember that this Zoro is also one of the Supernovas, same as Law and Luffy.
Sorry, but I am not really interrested in discussing the strength of Zoro and Sanji. But this really caught me off guard…
How can you use this as an arguement? You are aware that the only definition of a 'supernova' is that it is a person who was above 100 million bounty back as SA pre-time skip. It says nothing about power levels, and nothing about future potential.
If Oda decided that the treshold for a 'supernova' should have been higher (for example 200 million), then there would have been fewer supernovas, yet Zoro, Killer etc would still have been as strong back then, despite not being labelled as a supernova.
Sanji also told Kuma that in a couple of years he'd be making more trouble than all of them in a couple of years. It's just that he and Chopper haven't been on the Marine's radar as individual threats yet and certainly no indication of strength.
Sanji also told Kuma that in a couple of years he'd be making more trouble than all of them in a couple of years. It's just that he and Chopper haven't been on the Marine's radar as individual threats yet and certainly no indication of strength.
It's probably best that Sanji stays out of the spotlight. After all.. it's due to Sanji not getting noticed that he's able to slip into his "Mr.Prince" persona.
It's probably best that Sanji stays out of the spotlight. After all.. it's due to Sanji not getting noticed that he's able to slip into his "Mr.Prince" persona.
Maybe, but I think that statement & Sanji's past are going to become important at some point. Oda's played it coy getting his face out there with the other Straw Hats and I just have a hunch it's not just for the comedy value. I think it'll become very important when the Reverie becomes centre stage.
Couple of things about this chapter caught my attention. If Law really knows Doflamingo well then was he being sloppy by making it so easy to rescue Baby 5 & Buffalo? He might've guessed DD was going to get there fast so was he hanging Smoker & G5 out as part of his plan or he didn't care that DD might learn anything from them.
And Kinemon's talk of an associate was really intriguing. Saw some guesses that it was Drake or a missing wife but there's a few other characters wandering around that could show up. Lucci or Sengoku perhaps? Looking forward to the reveal on that one.
Sorry, but I am not really interrested in discussing the strength of Zoro and Sanji. But this really caught me off guard…
How can you use this as an arguement? You are aware that the only definition of a 'supernova' is that it is a person who was above 100 million bounty back as SA pre-time skip. It says nothing about power levels, and nothing about future potential.
If Oda decided that the treshold for a 'supernova' should have been higher (for example 200 million), then there would have been fewer supernovas, yet Zoro, Killer etc would still have been as strong back then, despite not being labelled as a supernova.
Right, that's why Oda bothered to make a cover after the TS just for them and other pirates calling them the 'worst generation' doesn't mean anything.
Off topic but…
@da's signature and Sanji's eyebr@w :ninja:
Hey, it's been a long time since I've been on here! Just caught up to One Piece again and decided I wanted to discuss some things. Sorry if some of the things have already been discussed, but I just wanted to throw out some theories of mine.
1. Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito gone pirate - it would explain all his loyal servants and his mysterious past Vergo mentioned. Perhaps he wanted the only thing the Nobles could never have: the title of Pirate King.
2. Of the 4 Yonkou, Kaidou and Big Mom are at a disadvantage. I believe with Blackbeard gaining the power to take and give devil fruit powers to his followers and his claim of the Whitebeard territories, as well as all the level 6 pirates from Impel Down freed, he's gained a lot of followers that are purely after power. On the other hand, this would give incentive to Marco and all the rest of the former Whitebeard pirates to join with the only "decent" Yonkou we know about: Shanks.
3. With the influx of power tipping the scales to Shanks and Blackbeard, Kaidou sought out Joker for a way to stop losing followers to Blackbeard, and thus his reliance on artificial devil fruits… which brings us to the current situation.
So yeah, pure speculation, but I think it might fit.
Hey, it's been a long time since I've been on here! Just caught up to One Piece again and decided I wanted to discuss some things. Sorry if some of the things have already been discussed, but I just wanted to throw out some theories of mine.
1. Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito gone pirate - it would explain all his loyal servants and his mysterious past Vergo mentioned. Perhaps he wanted the only thing the Nobles could never have: the title of Pirate King.
2. Of the 4 Yonkou, Kaidou and Big Mom are at a disadvantage. I believe with Blackbeard gaining the power to take and give devil fruit powers to his followers and his claim of the Whitebeard territories, as well as all the level 6 pirates from Impel Down freed, he's gained a lot of followers that are purely after power. On the other hand, this would give incentive to Marco and all the rest of the former Whitebeard pirates to join with the only "decent" Yonkou we know about: Shanks.
3. With the influx of power tipping the scales to Shanks and Blackbeard, Kaidou sought out Joker for a way to stop losing followers to Blackbeard, and thus his reliance on artificial devil fruits… which brings us to the current situation.
So yeah, pure speculation, but I think it might fit.
it may only be pure speculation and I can definitely see how detailed it is! I Like this theory and Hi everyone! sorry ive been gone for a bit!!!:ninja:
i like the doflamingo being a tenryuubito…though my guess about it is he was son of a slave of tenryuubito, but decided to adopt him (specifically by one of the gorousei) because of his potential: the conqueror's haki.
So:
Smoker is getting 'omg u so weak!!11one!!11' hate because he was defeated by a strong Shichibukai, lost as a distraction so Law could get his heart back and then after getting ass stomped by Vergo he gets ass stomped by Doflamingo. Dear lord you guys - shut. up. You don't expect someone to bounce back from a smack down like 'Come at me bro' (and don't even bring up Thriller Bark that was sheer will power - and what the hell are you meant to do against Doflamingo and his HAKI and STRINGS WHICH CAN CONTROL AND STOP PEOPLE MOVING DEAR FUCK GUYS),
Sanji is being called 'weaker than Zoro'. That's fine, I guess, seeming as how Zoro is the first mate, but it isn't the case - I believe they're on equal strength but in different areas - Zoro is stronger in the upper area but potentially weaker in the lower area (wahey), whilst it's the opposite for Sanji. Both can use swords/knives (as we saw in Enies Lobby with Sanji on the Sea Train) though they may not be on the same levels - everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses, so in truth they're equally as strong, I do dare to declare.
im calling it first. dofla is sabo! look at the hair and hair color. the smile. he always hides his eyes in those shades. something big about his past. im guessing he got his memory/brainwashed by wg and then escaped from world nobel's care to be a pirate. king haki. ace got one. luffy got one. sabo should have one. perfect fit! dofla is sabo :)
The amount of times I have heard this is actually quit funny. Dude… SABO AND ACE ARE THE SAME AGE! They are 2 or 3 years older than luffy. DD WAS THERE AT ROGERS DEATH! A full 9 years before ace, and therefore sabo, was even born.
Well after reading what someone here said- Sanji bounty pic not looking like him, his face not appearing in newspaper, we don't know his full name and his from North blue, what if its a joke from Oda and also will in time turn into something serious- like when Sanji gets his real face on bounty/newspaper then we see someone in the world recognizing who Sanji is and giving us his last name?
^^^^ this. prolly sanji came from some important family or group. i like that idea.
Sanji isn't smoking cigarettes, soon he'll be declared red eye sanji, master chef.
Well after reading what someone here said- Sanji bounty pic not looking like him, his face not appearing in newspaper, we don't know his full name and his from North blue, what if its a joke from Oda and also will in time turn into something serious- like when Sanji gets his real face on bounty/newspaper then we see someone in the world recognizing who Sanji is and giving us his last name?
I've never thought that Sanji's face not showing up is some type of a joke either. For me however, I always thought Sanji's face simply could not be taken by a photograph because of who he is, maybe he is some type of variation of human and why pictures never show up as they should.
As for the Sanji Zoro debate, I guess it's pointless unless they fight the same enemy and we find out there so there's no point comparing. I've never though Sanji was on Zoro's level, not even once and it looks like that difference has only gotten bigger after the timeskip. To me it's always been about Zoro and Luffy being the same level and Luffy sometimes edging it, or really him only edging it when he learns Gear Second. The only reason why Sanji is part of the mighty 3 for me is because the difference between the other SHs is much bigger than the difference between Luffy/Zoro. So far, I have yet to see a single reason to think otherwise in the manga or anime. I didn't even know people rated the two anywhere near close until I came onto this forum, as the few friends who also watch it have a similar opinion. I thought the whole point of the silly/hilarious fight between Zoro and Luffy basically showed exactly that point but I guess people see it different. As stated, I don't see anyone changing opinions unless both Zoro and Sanji fight the same character.
People need to stop using bounties as a source for power, Hancock had an 80 million bounty and she is for me only behind Mihawk, Doflamingo and Law in power in my opinion. The one time I have found bounties interesting has been Luffy and Kid, as it implied that Kid is ahead of him until an inevitable power fight between the two later on in the show, which is one of my most anticipated fights. I have to say his DF power doesn't look so strong though, so hopefully we get a better picture on why he is implied to be Luffy's rival from the Supernovas.
Well after reading what someone here said- Sanji bounty pic not looking like him, his face not appearing in newspaper, we don't know his full name and his from North blue, what if its a joke from Oda and also will in time turn into something serious- like when Sanji gets his real face on bounty/newspaper then we see someone in the world recognizing who Sanji is and giving us his last name?
I don't know personally for me I like that none of the straw hats really care about their past families. Like Luffy said their past really don't matter and Oda has emphasized this point by not showing as their families. If their family ties were an important aspect to the story then we would have had more Ussop wanting to see his dad whose with the Red haired pirates just like Luffy is always going on about Shanks, so the way I see it nothing will come of it.
lost as a distraction so Law could get his heart back and then after getting ass stomped by Vergo
Why not just win the fight and get the Heart back?
So:
- Smoker is getting 'omg u so weak!!11one!!11' hate because he was defeated by a strong Shichibukai, lost as a distraction so Law could get his heart back and then after getting ass stomped by Vergo he gets ass stomped by Doflamingo. Dear lord you guys - shut. up. You don't expect someone to bounce back from a smack down like 'Come at me bro' (and don't even bring up Thriller Bark that was sheer will power - and what the hell are you meant to do against Doflamingo and his HAKI and STRINGS WHICH CAN CONTROL AND STOP PEOPLE MOVING DEAR FUCK GUYS),
I don't think people call him a weakling (he obviously isn't), but too weak to be Luffys nemesis. The Garp of the new generation. Even if we assume that he could still give Luffy trouble (if we are generous), there are still Zoro, Sanji, Franky & Robin to deal with. He simply lacks the power to be a threat to the Straw Hats, now that his logia advantage is gone and he seemingly didn't improve much during the timeskip (compared to the SH's).
Power level discussions might be annoying, but in this case his strength is necessary to define his role in the story. At least to me it seems that the times of Smoker being "the chaser" is over, unless he suddenly ups his game or recruits a few powerful subordinates from HQ.
the times of Smoker being "the chaser" is over,
This is a good thing IMO. At least in the case of chasing Luffy. It's about time that he realized that Luffy isn't really a bad guy and started going after the people who are.
What if "this generation's" Garp is Garp.
He's still one of the strongest characters and I for one prefer him over being force-fed with this Coby nonsense
This is a good thing IMO. At least in the case of chasing Luffy. It's about time that he realized that Luffy isn't really a bad guy and started going after the people who are.
Agreed. Punk Hazard was actually a great arc for Smoker, at least when it comes to character development.
Why not just win the fight and get the Heart back?
Because him and Vergo are roughly evenly matched? There's no guarantee that Smoker could have won a 1v1 versus Vergo anyway. He chose to fight smart, knowing that it didn't matter who beat Vergo so long as someone did in the end.
Just wanted to point out that the plural of "supernova" is "supernovae".
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