Wasn't that last spread a double punch? Luffy first punched CC with his right fist and then sent him flying against a wall with the left one.
Chapter 689: Seemingly non-existent island.
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@The:
That was exactly the point of Spandam though? He was this little weakass slimeball, who had aquired authorative power and made life a living hell for people far stronger than him based purely off egoistical ambitions and spite. He was great precicely because he was weak. And how was Spandam "hyped", exactly?.
I apologise for my late reply, but here it goes. I should have chosen my words better, he wasn´t hyped through the story itself but the position it holds. I am one of those who thinks positions "hype" characters, just look at the marines and barring Spandam pretty much everyone stand on their ground and live up to whatever position they hold at the moment.
@The:
Caesar isn't exactly a powerhouse either, his "hype" is from his skills and knowledge, and his evilness from all the ways he's manipulated people far, far weaker than himself.
However, Ceasar is one of those characters who could wipeout ANY POWERHOUSE if taken lightly. I can see. something like " Oh so you think I can
t do anything against you"… bye bye air. Then the clown endures a hit, maybe two. Ohh you have been O2 KOdhow sad -derp face-. So it truly depends on what you mean by a powerhouse. If you are only refering to will and ambition (haki) I agree, but if you are refering to competence as in any capacities to obtain his goal, his abilities are pretty high on the totem pole. -
Sorry if it has been mentioned already, I haven't read whole thread
So reading this chapter I got this Idea, that Bepo and Pecoms are artificial zoan devil fruit users. They are unable to regain their human form, witch is a side effect of consuming one artificial devil fruit. Supposedly it may be possible to consume one natural and one artificial DF or simply artificial DF don't work like natural ones and you can just consume more than one. That's just hypothesis, though. -
I talk like a fan. Just because I noticed something that Oda decided to show, doesn't mean I am him. I actually knew this theory was wrong, but some people still argued.
Btw your nagging is pathetic.
If you insult me I am going to respond if not only to keep my conscience clear.
You talk like you know all the answers (as others have said you only speak in absolutes) I was only embelishing it to make my point.
I simply assumed you had more than one scene to back yourself up, you don't have to get upset.Originally Posted by Norisuke Higashikata IV
"Your stand is like your asshole. You can't go around showing it off to other people."
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If you insult me I am going to respond if not only to keep my conscience clear.
You talk like you know all the answers (as others have said you only speak in absolutes) I was only embelishing it to make my point.
I simply assumed you had more than one scene to back yourself up, you don't have to get upset.LOL Don't you know Strelok by now? I've been posting here in AP forums for a little less than 2 weeks and I've been able to understand what kind of guy he is.
When you are as great as I am, it's hard to be humble :ninja:.
In other news great Chapter. Am I the only one excited to see the Strawhats battle an entire ARMY of Lions, Elephants, and Rhinos? Of course I can see people being upset stating "these man made Df will ruin the series", but it's not as if we will see them with every corner the Strawhats turn. It's only an army, not a mutant invasion. I'd predict that we will only see their appearances in 2 or 3 arcs?
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I noticed that, between the Zoan army, there a Rhino zoan. So, that probably means that all the Minobeasts are artificial Zoan?
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I noticed that, between the Zoan army, there a Rhino zoan. So, that probably means that all the Minobeasts are artificial Zoan?
not really, there was also elephant zoan between the Zoan army on that panel, for instance, and we have already elephant Zoan earlier in the story. There is a possibility they can double.
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This zoan army brings up all kinds of possibilities. If we had been introduced to other zoan types in the typical, main antagonist, sort of way I'd imagine the reactions would be:
"-sigh- We'e seen this a million times. Who cares about this villain for this arc, its just another repeat"
Oda most definitely realized this and has decided to discontinue having a zoan as the main villain for an arc. Now this would have impeded on us seeing a lot of animals be turned into zoans…HOWEVER....
with the progression of this zoan army we have an excuse to see as many freaking zoan combinations as possible.
LIZARDS, MONKEYS, HIPPOS, HYENAS, GAZELLES, TOUCANS, ALLIGATORS!!!
Maybe even…
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@Light:
Sweet chapter. Brownbeard's bit was touching and I loved Ceasar's speech and how Luffy just went "Taking on warlords and Yonkou? Already done that bitch!". I gotta admit tough that SAD was a little letdown. It's supposed to move the whole world and all it makes is a bunch of man-critters? Seriusly, zoan powers aren't really worth shit in front of logia and paramecia ones, even if you got an army of them..
Really?. Please let Sengoku, Marco, X-drake, Lucci and Pekoms know. And send me a letter from the Hospital to which you`ll be remited afterwards.
Would you like a Blast?
100000000000000 Berries please.
Blasting Destinations: Gotham city, Jaya, central perk, E. R.
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not really, there was also elephant zoan between the Zoan army on that panel, for instance, and we have already elephant Zoan earlier in the story. There is a possibility they can double.
I don't think that there are doubles, its that these are artificial. These smileys are imperfect clones of other zoan devil fruits. And to add to that, I don't believe they present their users with the ability to change back to their original states either. I also believe that Big Mom is the only Yonko involved with these smileys and once Luffy. And the gang beat Donquixote, she'll be even more furious.
=DSpoiler:
I am Portugas D. Ace, formerly known as Gol D. Ace. Son of Gol D. Roger & Portugas D. Rouge. I am also known as "Gold Ace", aka "The Ace of Spades", aka "Fire Fist Ace", aka
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Zoans are noted as giving the biggest boost to physical powers among the Devil Fruits. So if you are already a physical powerhouse and you get a Zoan power, then you don't need to adapt your fighting style to your new powers. If, say, Sanji ate a Devil Fruit, he'd probably be wishing for a Zoan fruit, because all it would do, is enhance his already impressive physical abilities, as opposed to making him figure out how to work, say, soap into his fighting style.
As such, being able to give an army of New World pirates a physical boost means having a sudden, across the board, valuable product.
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@GolD.:
I don't think that there are doubles, its that these are artificial. These smileys are imperfect clones of other zoan devil fruits. And to add to that, I don't believe they present their users with the ability to change back to their original states either. I also believe that Big Mom is the only Yonko involved with these smileys and once Luffy. And the gang beat Donquixote, she'll be even more furious.
=DI meant doubles in sense, that in some cases they grant power of same animal as one of originals is
somehow I hope we won't be swarmed with artificial DF users everwhere
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The question now is what exactly does Law intend to do with the SAD? Is his mission to solely try to disrupt the business of Smile production or is there more to it?
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Damnit another chapter that raises a billion new questions and answers none… damn you Oda
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So Zoans will finally be important again. Y did Momo talk like an old man?
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SAD is used to make artificial devil fruits called Smile. Doflamingo sells these, and a much specific and important customer is one of the Yonkou.
Law and Luffy made an alliance to take down a Yonkou. To do that, Law needs the SAD.
So we're going to get a Yonkou who's even more of a zoo than CP9. Okay.
Pekoms is a lion turtle, but has human features and characteristics. Ah.
answers none
Are you serious?
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Someone probably already mentioned this, but I just realized why Momo saw Doflamingo's face a few chapters back. Maybe Doflamingo will somehow control the users of the SMILES fruits, and fuck up whichever yonkou is using them.
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Well, Caribou made it to some new island. I really feel for poor Coribou. That guy seems to get screwed at every turn. I like how this cover story seems to just go random directions constantly.
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I assume the emperor in question is Big Mom, because she's the literary focus at this point. Oda needs to get a lot of mileage out of the 4 emperors, since only 3 can ever be real enemies, so throwing another one into this mix this early doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It also gives us a connection to how Dofla can begin to fit into this whole saga as it relates to fighting Big Mom, without it simply being two separate and relatively unrelated events.
About these two, it seems caribou was on that island that was a favorite of Kaidou's that drake attacked, so there is a slight possibility it's Kaidou
but then again cover story's usually appear a lot later, and like you said, it would probably be far to hectic to have Doflamingo and his crew, Big Mom's crew, and Kaidou's crew to all be in the same arc
and I really hope if they find a cure for smile and it turns out pekoms has eaten one, that he won't take the cure… though knowing Oda I could see a gag where he does the cute stare thing in human form and is ugly
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What would happen if the substance SAD was utilised as a means to get control over the Smile user. Bear with me for a second please, I
ll elaborate as much as I can. For over 500 chapters we have seen doflamingo literally controling other people; pulling the strings if you wish. Now, what would happen if SAD works as a fundamental element that grants remote control over the Smiles? Push a button here a lever there and you can make the transmission faulty. The allucination that Momo had strikes me as if he will not always be in control of his condition. Im imagining a device powered by energy and emiting High frecuency (HF) and ultra high frecuency (UHF) waves that could alter the physical-chemical mind components on a smile user, making them go berserk or keeping them racionalle. Now what would it happen if 100s of Smile Users go on a rampant rage with no one to look over them?. As an analogy, have you ever seen what happens to the air trafic when the tower of control has technical issues and breaks down. I havent, and to be fairly honest I wouldnt like to see it.I know its a far fetched cry but hey, we only know that the SAD are changed into smiles. If this is just the source, there would be big problems yes but not as big as if this place is the source and the "Traffic control" post.
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not really, there was also elephant zoan between the Zoan army on that panel, for instance, and we have already elephant Zoan earlier in the story. There is a possibility they can double.
Sheeez! I forgot Funkfried!!!!! I'm going to sleep. See you tomorrow. XD
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I'm gonna address a few points you made, simply because I've been expressing the same points for a few weeks now.
For the most part, I agree with everything you're saying. but, like with all of your reviews I find them very helpful for analyzing the chapter a different way.I think the thing that surprises me the most is that Smiley's fruit was a real DF, rather than a Smile fruit. I'm not totally sure, but that might mean that the Smile fruits can't be infused into objects like normal DF's can.
For a while I thought it was a "Smile Fruit", and Caesar had figured out a way to turn them into actual Devil Fruits. But, the "Sala Sala no Mi" was a big indicator that it was in fact a regular DF.
The first thing I notice is that the design is the same as the fruit that Momo ate (with different shading, but I'm not sure that matters). The most likely explanation is that Momo ate a Smile fruit, and that the peons who commented about it being a failed Vegapunk experiment were simply misinformed. Let's face it, they don't get the truth about anything.
My thoughts exactly. Either he made that fruit and told those guys it was a failed VP experiment, or he injected SAD into it and it was a Vega Punk failure.
It also gives us a connection to how Dofla can begin to fit into this whole saga as it relates to fighting Big Mom, without it simply being two separate and relatively unrelated events.
This ties in with what you said above, about Momo, but, it's long and turns into a odd ball theory.
Like a few others, I said a few chapters back that maybe the SAD were used to make Artifical Devil Fruits, and if it was. Maybe they're being used to create an army.. For Doflamingo..using mind control
But, with this chapter, it's revealed that he's making deals with big names and.. a Yonkou..
That to me is suspicious. Is he really making deals with them? or is he just pretending to do that, giving them an army of "Smile Fruit" users, who (like Momo) might be hallucinating and having visions of Doffy. Letting them get all cozy with whoever bought them (Big Mam most likely) and at a moments notice, when he's ready..Having them turn on on her/them and making his move to take her seat as an emperor..
Which also leads to another idea of (This is where it gets iffy)..
If that is the case..Is Luffy going to let that happen?
He's got his beef with Big Mam, and an alliance with Law now.
If Doflamingo is also aiming at her, does that change anything for them?
What if, and this is a BIIIG what if..The vivre card Lola gave Nami does in fact turn out to be Big Mam at the other end? If that ends up being the case and Luffy and co. find out will they still target her? and if Doffy is also targeting her to take her seat as an emperor, would Luffy go back on his agreement with Law to help Big Mam after finding out who she is and having such a larger beef with Doflamingo now?Yes, this is a random unlikely shot in the dark theory, but it just popped in my head and I wanted to put it out there.
The other option is Caesar running away, but I'd hope that Luffy's mantra turns that into a futile effort. Really the only reason I could see for Caesar being able to hang on for any length of time after this is for Oda to address the shinokuni situation.
If he's not out for the count now, I get the feeling that Smoker and Vergo's fight will end off panel with Vergo being the winner and showing up to protect Caesar. OR Baby-5 and Buffalo show up.
What would happen if the substance SAD was utilised as a means to get control over the Smile user. Bear with me for a second please, I
ll elaborate as much as I can. For over 500 chapters we have seen doflamingo literally controling other people; pulling the strings if you wish. Now, what would happen if SAD works as a fundamental element that grants remote control over the Smiles? Push a button here a lever there and you can make the transmission faulty. The allucination that Momo had strikes me as if he will not always be in control of his condition. Im imagining a device powered by energy and emiting High frecuency (HF) and ultra high frecuency (UHF) waves that could alter the physical-chemical mind components on a smile user, making them go berserk or keeping them racionalle. Now what would it happen if 100s of Smile Users go on a rampant rage with no one to look over them?. As an analogy, have you ever seen what happens to the air trafic when the tower of control has technical issues and breaks down. I havent, and to be fairly honest I wouldnt like to see it.I know its a far fetched cry but hey, we only know that the SAD are changed into smiles. If this is just the source, there would be big problems yes but not as big as if this place is the source and the "Traffic control" post.
You and I seem to have a very similar idea.
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Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
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Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
Why are you assuming the opposite?
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Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
Because even though the "law" of it's impossible for many to have two devil fruits and live applies to real devil fruits, there's a chance that that rule won't apply to an artificial devil fruit. The two fruit may be totally different genetically.
LA LA LAAAAAA. LA LA LA LA!(-Dearly Beloved)
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Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
For the most part, I've only noticed people bringing it up and relating it to Pekoms..So, It's probably because for some reason they have a hard time accepting the fact that he is just a lion who can talk, and he ate a turtle zoan.
Kid had a talking cat on his crew, and that was before any of this was even hinted at.
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@Money:
Y did Momo talk like an old man?
It's the translation. Momonosuke and Kinemon both come from a traditional samurai land, and their speech pattern reflects that. It's not "old man" talk, but the speech is more formal and archaeic.
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Okay, we finally know what SAD is.
But I still want to know what the signifigance of this room is.
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Why are you assuming the opposite?
Because the opposite is the default answer. Two people can't have two DFs (unless they are Blackbeard). There's no evidence at all that one can have both natural and artificial powers.
Because even though the "law" of it's impossible for many to have two devil fruits and live applies to real devil fruits, there's a chance that that rule won't apply to an artificial devil fruit. The two fruit may be totally different genetically.
All Devil Fruits are genetically different, or else, they would all be the same thing.
A host dies from eating two Devil Fruits because their bodies can't handle both powers at the same time.
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Amazing Chapter, loved the emotion and courage Brownbeard displayed standing up to Ceaser even though he knew how powerful he was (Took a Gas-t-net right to the face earlier).
My Two cents on why the "SMILE" DF are all zoan….While not the most romantic standpoint, I think creating 50+ Unique paramicia fruit powers out of thin air would be too creatively exhaushting even for the legendary Oda. (Plus so many paramicia have already been shown)
Not to mention showcasing every single one of them in battle in case they ever fight this army of 100 Fake DF users. Most paramicia don't even show a noticable difference to their bodies from non-Df users! (luffy, handcock, kuma, Mr. 5, Ms. Valentine, Mr. 3, Buggy Whitebeard etc...)
I also agree with what was stated earlier that paramicia can sometimes be more powerful than Logia (in Kuma and Whitebeards case)
Im glad that fake Zoan's are the only ones that can be artificially made but I hope they have some significant drawbacks or it will cheapen finding a REAL Zoan, and the other Zoan's we have already seen.
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I've been thinking about some wording here. CC and Law obviously think that whatever Law is planning would upset the balance of power in the new world. However, if Big Mam was really creating an army of Zoan-types for her own use, then wouldn't shutting that down have a stabilizing rather than destabilizing effect? It would ensure that the balance of power is maintained in its current state rather than being upset by Big Mam gaining an advantage over the other Yonkou. I think there has to be more than that. It can't be that Law wants them for himself (since if they were strong enough to let the Heart pirates take prominence in the new world, Big Mam should have been able to become PK by now since she'd be getting them for a while).
My bet is that the Artificial DFs have an expiration date on them and need to be continuously replenished in order to remain useful. The reason for that is because these seem like they'd be far too valuable otherwise. CC looks to only be making them as a side effort rather than his full-time job, and as impressive as Shinokuni is, I can't imagine its a more valuable use of his time than making more instant-Devil Fruits. Furthermore, I get the impression that SAD is produced like someone filling out their monthly quotas for shipments (since the tankers seem to have a regular schedule). And lastly, these would be huge power-boosts if they were permanent, which makes me ask why only one YOnkou is using them. Sure Shanks and BB most likely wouldn't out of principles, but I can't imagine DD only selling them to one major client unless they had a major drawback.
Otherwise, why would SAD be the key to defeating Big Mam? Sure she's using it, but unless having her supply get cut off means she gets weaker rather than just not getting stronger, it seems like Law's not any closer to being able to topple her. Even if all the Heart Pirates got top-tier Smiles I don't think they'd have the raw numbers to beat Big Mam.
So in short, I think the Smiles are the entire reason Big Mam is a Yonkou in the first place and that her power projection comes from her large crew of smile-users. By capturing the source of them, Law is going to drastically weaken Big Mam's forces down to maybe a central crew of 10-20 which he thinks the Straw Hearts alliance can take in a straight up fight.
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About these two, it seems caribou was on that island that was a favorite of Kaidou's that drake attacked, so there is a slight possibility it's Kaidou
but then again cover story's usually appear a lot later, and like you said, it would probably be far to hectic to have Doflamingo and his crew, Big Mom's crew, and Kaidou's crew to all be in the same arc
and I really hope if they find a cure for smile and it turns out pekoms has eaten one, that he won't take the cure… though knowing Oda I could see a gag where he does the cute stare thing in human form and is ugly
Yeah, I've seen that come up and it's a good catch. But I don't think a cover story has ever applied to the current saga that it appears in.
What would happen if the substance SAD was utilised as a means to get control over the Smile user. Bear with me for a second please, I
ll elaborate as much as I can. For over 500 chapters we have seen doflamingo literally controling other people; pulling the strings if you wish. Now, what would happen if SAD works as a fundamental element that grants remote control over the Smiles? Push a button here a lever there and you can make the transmission faulty. The allucination that Momo had strikes me as if he will not always be in control of his condition. Im imagining a device powered by energy and emiting High frecuency (HF) and ultra high frecuency (UHF) waves that could alter the physical-chemical mind components on a smile user, making them go berserk or keeping them racionalle. Now what would it happen if 100s of Smile Users go on a rampant rage with no one to look over them?. As an analogy, have you ever seen what happens to the air trafic when the tower of control has technical issues and breaks down. I havent, and to be fairly honest I wouldnt like to see it.Maybe, but it'd be risky. Dofla would be making some seriously powerful enemies that way.
@nodensuke:
For a while I thought it was a "Smile Fruit", and Caesar had figured out a way to turn them into actual Devil Fruits. But, the "Sala Sala no Mi" was a big indicator that it was in fact a regular DF.
I figured it was destined to be, considering the naming similarity, until I saw that missing page with what the Smile fruits look like. Smiley's fruit looked like a regular old DF.
This ties in with what you said above, about Momo, but, it's long and turns into a odd ball theory.
Like a few others, I said a few chapters back that maybe the SAD were used to make Artifical Devil Fruits, and if it was. Maybe they're being used to create an army.. For Doflamingo..using mind control
But, with this chapter, it's revealed that he's making deals with big names and.. a Yonkou..
That to me is suspicious. Is he really making deals with them? or is he just pretending to do that, giving them an army of "Smile Fruit" users, who (like Momo) might be hallucinating and having visions of Doffy. Letting them get all cozy with whoever bought them (Big Mam most likely) and at a moments notice, when he's ready..Having them turn on on her/them and making his move to take her seat as an emperor..
Which also leads to another idea of (This is where it gets iffy)..
If that is the case..Is Luffy going to let that happen?
He's got his beef with Big Mam, and an alliance with Law now.
If Doflamingo is also aiming at her, does that change anything for them?
What if, and this is a BIIIG what if..The vivre card Lola gave Nami does in fact turn out to be Big Mam at the other end? If that ends up being the case and Luffy and co. find out will they still target her? and if Doffy is also targeting her to take her seat as an emperor, would Luffy go back on his agreement with Law to help Big Mam after finding out who she is and having such a larger beef with Doflamingo now?Yes, this is a random unlikely shot in the dark theory, but it just popped in my head and I wanted to put it out there.
Let's not forget Luffy's motivation in all of this. It's to free Fishman Island from possible destruction at her hands. I don't think he'll be feeling sorry for her before she gets defeated. It would be more in character for Luffy to stand against both of them, even if they stand against each other.
Now, you may very well be on to some stuff, but I don't think it all fits together as a complete package like you present it unless I'm missing something.
If he's not out for the count now, I get the feeling that Smoker and Vergo's fight will end off panel with Vergo being the winner and showing up to protect Caesar. OR Baby-5 and Buffalo show up.
I don't think Vergo would return voluntarily before he killed Law and Smoker like he set out to do, which obviously can't happen. Baby 5 and Buffalo seem like much more likely possibilities.
Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
It's not about assuming that it's possible. It's about recognizing it's plausible and not simply dismissing the idea. Since they're fake, they must have some different properties. That's one possibility of a different property. May as well stay open minded.
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I'm just glad Luffy will finally kick CC's ass for last time.
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(luffy + law) + jinbe + (kidd + apoo + hawkins) + dofla messing up with big mom's smile-users vs big mom
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Why are some people here assuming that is possible to have a natural DF power and an artificial DF power at the same time?
that's a hypothesis, so far nothing confirms it nor rules it out. It hasn't been stated yet if those artificial fruits work in the same way as regular ones or not.
@nodensuke, the talking was in Howkinses, not Kids's crew
So far we only seen 3 of those "animal people": the one from Hawkins, one from Law (Bepo) and Pecoms from Big Mom.
Big Mom's crew seems to have ties with Dofla (or at list that idea got sucked in my mind, I have to reread the chapter)
Law has ties with Dofla for sure
and Hawkins is from North Blue, again I may have imagined something but it seems like Dofla is having strong influences on the North Bluethat of course isn't proving anything, but it inspired me come up with the hypothesis (maybe someone come up with it even before me - still haven't read whole thread).
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It's not about assuming that it's possible. It's about recognizing it's plausible and not simply dismissing the idea. Since they're fake, they must have some different properties. That's one possibility of a different property. May as well stay open minded.
That means there's also a possibility that those fake DF users are not vulnerable to drowning and Seastone.
I'm not sure if I like the sound of this. The basic properties of Devil Fruits have been established for years. If artificial DF users do happen to not follow the same rules as natural DF users, we would get plenty of unnecessary exposition about this recently-introduced Zoan user being artificial or not.
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So.. what if Pekoms has 2 SADs.. and Doflo is ultimately working with Blackbeard?
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Interesting to see if the emperor Doflamingo is working with his big mam, if it's not it seems like a set up for luffy to piss off all the emperors right off the bat. Shanks obviously being excluded.
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I've been thinking about some wording here. CC and Law obviously think that whatever Law is planning would upset the balance of power in the new world. However, if Big Mam was really creating an army of Zoan-types for her own use, then wouldn't shutting that down have a stabilizing rather than destabilizing effect? It would ensure that the balance of power is maintained in its current state rather than being upset by Big Mam gaining an advantage over the other Yonkou. I think there has to be more than that. It can't be that Law wants them for himself (since if they were strong enough to let the Heart pirates take prominence in the new world, Big Mam should have been able to become PK by now since she'd be getting them for a while).
My bet is that the Artificial DFs have an expiration date on them and need to be continuously replenished in order to remain useful. The reason for that is because these seem like they'd be far too valuable otherwise. CC looks to only be making them as a side effort rather than his full-time job, and as impressive as Shinokuni is, I can't imagine its a more valuable use of his time than making more instant-Devil Fruits. Furthermore, I get the impression that SAD is produced like someone filling out their monthly quotas for shipments (since the tankers seem to have a regular schedule). And lastly, these would be huge power-boosts if they were permanent, which makes me ask why only one YOnkou is using them. Sure Shanks and BB most likely wouldn't out of principles, but I can't imagine DD only selling them to one major client unless they had a major drawback.
Otherwise, why would SAD be the key to defeating Big Mam? Sure she's using it, but unless having her supply get cut off means she gets weaker rather than just not getting stronger, it seems like Law's not any closer to being able to topple her. Even if all the Heart Pirates got top-tier Smiles I don't think they'd have the raw numbers to beat Big Mam.
So in short, I think the Smiles are the entire reason Big Mam is a Yonkou in the first place and that her power projection comes from her large crew of smile-users. By capturing the source of them, Law is going to drastically weaken Big Mam's forces down to maybe a central crew of 10-20 which he thinks the Straw Hearts alliance can take in a straight up fight.
replace Big Mam with Big Mam or Kaido and i like this post
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Someone on another forum mentioned that DoFla might have developed method to install certain commands into the SMILE to pursue his own agenda. I really like that thought because it would explain Momonosuke's visions and put another emphasis on the "age of smiles". And it would make DoFla even more awesome if he'd use the weapons he sold to the Yonkou to overthrow him.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. - _Sun Tzu, The Art Of War
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Someone on another forum mentioned that DoFla might have developed method to install certain commands into the SMILE to pursue his own agenda. I really like that thought because it would explain Momonosuke's visions and put another emphasis on the "age of smiles". And it would make DoFla even more awesome if he'd use the weapons he sold to the Yonkou to overthrow him.
I think that's very plausible. If it were true, then we'd be entering the territory of mind control and surveillance. Subliminal mind control sounds like something a businessman, such as Dofla, would KILL to have
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Ok i jizzed. That Luffy face just.. wow. Did you see the knuckle imprint on caesar's face? He's out for the count. I don't think anyone has gotten back up after getting luffy's knuckles imprinted on their face. I really like Brownbeard now. Man.. I teared up when he teared up. And then when Luffy came in and touched his forehead like.. "Don't worry, I understand your pain. This guy won't get away with this." GOD that was an extremely touching part right there. Luffy's so badass.. damn. ok i'm done fan boying for now.
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For some reason reading the spoiler, the first thing that came to my mind was that island too. Looks like they finish building the mountain. Makes you wonder then if Drake actually killed the cyborg….or if he got off'd.
since he is A special zoan type i bet ya he is working for kaidou and his army of zoans
also one more thing
enemy of BB - checked
enemy of Big Mom - checked
enemy of Kaidou - checkedif the ypnkou is Kaidou of course
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@Foxy:
But I still want to know what the signifigance of this room is.
! http://img.batoto.net/comics/2012/09/26/o/read5062e1682e749/img000007.png
I'm guessing they're the failed gigantism test subjects.
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I see that some people are theorizing that SAD is a substance to have control the Smile Fruit (SF) users. But wasn't it said that DoFla uses SAD to produce SFs? I think this means that SAD is an ingredient, not an additive (to enable control). If it is an additive, it would suggest that DoFla knows how to produce SFs without SAD, which I think is unlikely.
On CC uses real DF for Smiley, well, do we really know if it's a real DF instead of an SF? For all we know he haven't seen a (perfected) SF. So far we've seen only that VP's NG DF, so we don't really know how SFs would look like. But if the Sala Sala no Mi is a real DF and not an SF,then I'm with the people who think that SFs might not have "life" in them and is just covering on the transformation aspect of zoan DF (actually I've had this theory for quite a while, that CC's research on zoan DF is focusing on that aspect).EDIT: Damnit, forget it. I missed that page with SF!
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What if Doflamingo is actually a Yonkou and he's been the one pulling the strings (pun) this whole time. He seems to run major organizations and isn't really one to take orders from others. Also based on his Devil Fruit or power and his hand motions, he seems to be a puppeteer or puppet master of some sort.
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Someone on another forum mentioned that DoFla might have developed method to install certain commands into the SMILE to pursue his own agenda. I really like that thought because it would explain Momonosuke's visions and put another emphasis on the "age of smiles". And it would make DoFla even more awesome if he'd use the weapons he sold to the Yonkou to overthrow him.
You could say he's setting up a situation where he could…
....pull strings from the shadows.
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That punch was absolutely gorgeous. We've gotten some epic Luffy punches before, but the design of this one really stood out. I don't think the impact hits home as much as perhaps the Tenryuubito hit, however it's the art that gets me. The scene just feels more mature, for both Oda and Luffy himself. I got so many chills; absolutely love it!
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surely how every character in the War arc reacted to BB being able to use two devil fruit powers would suggest that it was and will be the only time it can happen? isn't it more likely that the final boss (assuming BB is indeed the final boss) would have a unique trait? the character trait of having more than one DF is part of BB's final boss thing and for someone as small as Monet to have the same trait would just cheapen BB as the final baddie
and i'm still a firm believer that Monet's wings and legs are just a thing she does with her own snow powers. her wings and harpy legs doesn't even have to be created from an outside source but just from changing her limbs' forms into wings/claws
She could always be a Harpy with a snow logia. Or Law gave her the wings and feet like he did to Brownbeard's crew.
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Im going to guess that SAD is the principal ingredient to make SMILE, and i think this ingredient is some sort of gas, that would explain why Caesar is the only one capable of producing it. And like the names of the this two things show us that they are the oppossite of each other( SAD and SMILE) i think Law is going to use this SAD gas to make all this artificial zoan users revert to their normal form
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Maybe Law wants the ability to subliminally control SMILEs? That would seem more up his alley, being sort of a scheming guy.. it took him 2 years of scheming to get to the point he is at.. and he would enjoy having an army of hundreds of DFs under his control.. heck with his ability he could switch them up into chimeras.
