@CaptainKid:

True but I think it works to a DEGREE, Luffy lost to Blackbeard but beat Lucci, Blackbeard could beat Lucci. But saying Lucci could be Crocodile… not as clear. Also Jinbe made it clear Blackbeard would be Luffy because he already had the power to beat Ace.

Luffy beat Crocodile because he recognized his weakness, Luffy lost to Crocodile twice, he also lost to Kizaru, Sentoumaru, and pacifistas. He SURVIVES because he is a main character. There is a difference there. Crocodile sent Jozu 'flying' doesn't = hurt Jozu, who destroyed him and would have hurt him more if Dofla didn't save him. Crocodile obviously fought Luffy with all his strength but his weakness to wetness was too great. Cutting Akainu in half is easy, again he didn't hurt Akainu at all. Luffy lost to Blackbeard at Impel Down, Jinbe stopped him from getting hurt. Crocodile gets respect because he's got a decent power and abilities but again once his weakness is revealed he is far more vulnerable and able to be taken down by an inexperienced rookie.

Lol, becuz he recognized his weakness. Are you sure cause it seemed like he won cuz he made Croc believe that he couldn't be killed with his DF, thus why Croc used mostly his hook in the last fight, with the exception of 1 DF attack.

If BB beat Luffy then is it fair to say that Croc lost to Jozu when they're fight wasn't finished and Croc had hit just once and by a sucker punch, even thou he counter attacked.
And do we only consider hurt as a sign of blood here, as if so then BB's "win" over Luffy is much more questionable. Is Smoker mightier than Crocodile by this type of power scaling?
Opinoins are very tricky when you try to dictate others without proving your own.
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@DARK_RITUAL:

well that's a good question, have no idea how it will work being logia but being paramecia means anything that person touch erects/stretches/grows eg: if he touches the ground it will erect/grow turning into a a small pillar mountain(depends how much area he touched), if he touches water it starts shooting up like a fountain something like that but thinking about it I think that kind of DF will be too much n op.

I don't believe it would work that way and that'd be a truly silly fruit. If the user simply erects then he can only make things erect or stand straight up. If he touched water the portion he touched would erect but he'd be in contact with so many different molecules that nothing could happen as the water standing doesn't mean that there molecules would join together to form a fountain. Touching the ground would do nothing as well. A broken or bent tree would stand tall once again and so would an animal but but not much else would be affected.
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Thanks I thought that looked like Big Mom's eye, but I also thought that Vice Admiral Ronze was on top left, so I really didn't know.
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Can sumone name everyone on the cover? I couldn't figure out the top 2.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

How is he going to get up on the Reverse Mountain then anyway? Right, through a waterway (which we do not know exists btw but it is the only possibility for now). Just like you said, the Reverse Mountain also has the waterways from the 4 Blues which brings us back to my point i mentioned above, nobody would know whether Roger really took the waterway after Raftel or just from one of the Blues.

To your second point, right back at you . You whole points are pure conjecture at this point. To Robin, she knows the location of Poseidon/Shirahoshi and Pluto (whether it is in Alabasta is unknown, the Poneglyph was in Alabasta though), she still does not possess them since she has no interest in them, just like Roger btw who clearly mentioned it in the chapter you are referring to, namely Chapter 0.

@Ace: Saying that Roger had one literally means it was in his possession, at least be a bit aware of your previous posts.

First off, I never said that Roger had one, I said the Ancient Weapon that he had. You assumed that it meant possession of instead of knowledge of. I also said that One Piece gave inspiration for those to find what it was that Roger had. And then listed in my earlier statement that this could've been the secrets of the Void Century. -Knowledge is POWER.-

We can clearly see that there are to paths down Reverse Mountain. One is the Waterway that connects all 4 of the Blues, I presume the other is the path that the Pirate King would take.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2208-18/one-piece/chapter-101.html
Lastly, I don't think a "right back at you", can be applied here. I don't remember Robin ever stating she knew the location of Pluto like you say and am forced to believe that you sir are making things up. AGAIN! -And Roger never mentions having no interest in Ancient Weapons, I believe you are making this up as well. Roger only states that he has no desire to rule.
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@Ace:

This only states that he knew the location of the weapon, this does not prove/imply that he had it in his possession.

I never stated that Roger had it in his possession either.

@Ace:

It was built by the shipwrights there, but it was hidden in Alabasta. The entire reason for Crocodile to take over that country was for that reason.

Are you making stuff up too? I thought the Shipwrights said that they were only holding onto the blueprints to build another Pluton, in case the first fell into the wrong hands. I don't remember them saying they built it in Alabasta or that it was hidden there. Robin implied before Crocodiles arrival that only the Poneglyph was there.

@TheCrystalShip:

Oh, I thought they were just talking about whatever's at Raftel, and not necessarily one of the Greco-Roman weapons.

Do we even have confirmation that Pluton is in Alabasta? Wasn't it built at Water 7?

Well one of those Ancient Weapons could very well be at Raftel.
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@TheCrystalShip:

Sorry to interrupt your fencing match, but when was it stated that Roger had possession of an Ancient Weapon?

http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-chapter-565.5-page-4.html

@1PceXperience:

Sorry guys (CrystalShip & Miyamoto), but if we (berries) are to take Volume 0 as Canon, then Shiki has stated that Gold Roger does indeed have position of some sort of powerful weapon. This is most likely one of the ancient weapons.

If only Matt Damon were here to help!

Matt Damon did help, I prolly wouldn't have found that page if not for your post. I'm assuming Ch. 0 isn't on MangaPanda or called Ch. 0 on most sites.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

First off, if we look at the map of the OP world, even if Roger would have come down the other side of the Reverse Mountain, like you say, it would not prove him being on Raftel or the last island of the Grand Line at all, he also could have left the GL through the Calm Belt and reentered the Grand Line through the North Blue for example. In addition, by saying that Roger "had conquered the Grand Line", it is implied that he reached the last island, even if someone does not know its name. So, for the WG to acknowledge that a pirate did what they could not do, namely reaching the last island of the GL, they would have had to have proof of it which "coming down the Reverse Mountain" is not, like i said above. How they knew about it is a matter of the future.
Second, Roger was called Pirate King by the WG and thus also by every citizen. Pirates in the OP world, just like in our world, are rumored to be materialistic and go after treasures and money in general which in most cases, is true. So, for most people OP equals a huge amount of money. I am not saying that they know what One Piece really is, i am saying that they knew that One Piece exists before Roger´s final words because for them, One Piece equals a huge amount of treasures in a traditional sense and since Roger was the Pirate King, his treasure should also be the largest.

! http://i22.mangareader.net/one-piece/1/one-piece-1668163.jpg

@Crystal: It was never mentioned, it is his assumption

It was clearly mentioned during Ch. 0. And I can't view mangareader links.

Also if Roger reentered through the North Blue then he would have to enter Reverse Mountain through the Waterway where all the currents from the 4 Blues connect. OBVIOUSLY! Only coming down can only be accomplished by conquering the Grand Line.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

It is canon, just like Robin knows where 2 of the Ancient Weapons are, Roger probably, also knew it. That does not mean that he had one in his possession or that he brought it to Raftel.

Are you making stuff up again? I don't think Robin knows the whereabouts of 2 Ancient Weapons, to my knowledge she just recently learned of one thanks to discovering the secret about Shirahoshi. What other Ancient Weapon could she possibly know the location of?
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@1PceXperience:

I (strawberries) have an issue with this. Why do people always conclude that there a "one pirate crew" admittance fee to enter into Raftel? Just because it's hidden doesn't mean that multiple parties cannot enter into it at once. Also, WB has stated that when One Piece is discovered it WILL cause a world war! So apparently when one does reach Raftel, the WORLD will be notified.

Matt Damon could play Marco in a live action.

No they won't. Your just assuming that, I'm sure that stepping onto Raftel won't set off an alarm system that reaches across the world. We don't even know if One Piece is on Raftel to begin with, this is just our assumption. Reaching One Piece most likely means discovering the secrets of the Void Century that Rayliegh knew from the Poneglyphs, and likely acquiring the Ancient Weapon that Roger had.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

This is something we absolutely do not know about, it is just a conjecture at this point. Who knows how they knew about Roger reaching Raftel, he is notsomeone who would spout it out everywhere (similar to Luffy). And my post is not the same, especially this part "Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution". OP was his treasure apparently everybody knew of and the only thing he said is "that place".

Roger was said to have conquered the entire Grand Line, only Crocus told us that he reached Raftel. And if he sailed the entire Grand Line then he had to of come down the other side of Reverse Mountain, it's likely that this is the specific feat that earned him his title of Pirate King from the sounds of things.

And One Piece was the treasure that Roger left behind after his death, by telling everyone that he'd left it behind it gave them inspiration to find it themselves and discover what it was, that the Pirate King had. We don't know of anyone actually knowing about what One Piece is for sure, so we can't say that anyone knew about it.

Well WhiteBeard seemed to know about One Piece, but it's likely he's the only one that did, since even Crocus said that he didn't know where it was. It's likely that Roger hid this treasure after the crew disbanded to ensure that it wouldn't be found too soon and other reasons unknown.
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@MiyamotoMusashi:

What, how do you know that? What we know so far is that the WG gave Roger the title of PK because he is the only one who actually sailed through all of the GL, including Raftel. In addition, Roger seemed to have been rumored to have an incredible treasure in his lifetime to which he said before his execution "Go find it, it is all left in that place". So, the next Pirate King has to achieve what only Roger achieved, namely reaching Raftel.

This is pretty much exactly what I was saying, so how your asking me how I know it baffles me. And reaching Raftel won't serve as proof because no one will know that you did it. The only way for anyone to realize that you've reached Raftel and that you have One Piece is to sail down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
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@1PceXperience:

I wonder what Matt Damon would say…

Yes, that is indeed a good question. Maybe Shanks is just after the One Piece, but does not want to become Pirate King. Then again... can one find the One Piece without being obligated to be PK?

Yes, I would think so. Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution. It seems to me that the only way for people to earn the title of PIRATE KING is to be seen sailing down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
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