I think he's pretty much left Spamdam in the dust already.
Not sure you can top "slowly killing tons of children by feeding meth", on top of all the other atrocities he's been comitting.
and i still doubt oda ends up killing him off.
I think he's pretty much left Spamdam in the dust already.
Not sure you can top "slowly killing tons of children by feeding meth", on top of all the other atrocities he's been comitting.
and i still doubt oda ends up killing him off.
There is a difference between something that is angry versus drugged out.I would compare these kids to like an animal with Rabbies or something. We don't know how haki would work on things like this. It seems like haki is like an intimidation. I don't see a rabid animal or a druged out person being able to feel intimidation. They feel nothing.at least thats how i see it.
I completely understand where you're coming from. Luffy would have to apply force if he truly wanted to intimidate them. Nonetheless, im glad those children are coming back to their senses. I believe Franky is installing a new device on the Sunny-Go that will solve the gas situation and rescue the Shs. What I'm real interested in is seeing how Oda will cultivate this relationship that is brewing between the Shs and the G-5 crew after this arc.
@One:
I completely understand where you're coming from. Luffy would have to apply force if he truly wanted to intimidate them. Nonetheless, im glad those children are coming back to their senses. I believe Franky is installing a new device on the Sunny-Go that will solve the gas situation and rescue the Shs. What I'm real interested in is seeing how Oda will cultivate this relationship that is brewing between the Shs and the G-5 crew after this arc.
I see it going something like this.
G5 and Strawhats are together basically handing the kids off and telling them to go with G5 to their parents and so on. You know kind of a truece situation.
Then Luffy out of nowhere punches Smoker in the head sending him flying into a wall or rocks. Then yells at his crew to "run" and they run off and sail away. Something stupid like that. I doubt we see Luffy and Smoker leave on an "next time we meet were enemies speech"
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One thing I just realized is that the marines being there, mainly Smoker and Tashigi, we now can get some newly updated bounties after this arc.
She obviously was impressed with Zoro's new strength. Not sure how well they will be able to judge the others, but considering this is fiction Oda can have them somehow be able to update everybody's perfectly.
@Green:
..Your post might make sense if there was some abundance of fighting in this arc…This entire arc has been plot with tiny little skirmishes rarely mixed in...There has been 1 somewhat enjoyable fight this entire arc, and it was at the very start with Smoker and Law. One piece is a Shounen manga, so please don't act like the main focus is not action/combat/adventure, it is. Chapters about kids eating toxic candy isn't what made One Piece the best manga out there.
Once again, I must ask, when did you start reading One-Piece weekly?
Anyway, to say this arc is lacking in action is idiotic. There have been 33 chapters so far. 9 dedicated to fights. Then a lot more dedicated to action. I would say that there have been maybe only 5 chapters dedicated purely to plot and character development. Just because we aren't getting a bunch of chapters in a row dedicated to fights, doesn't mean there hasn't been any action. I urge you to go reread the arc to date and you'll see that it moves very quickly.
However, here's what I find funniest about your post (see the bolded statement.) See, one of those three is not like the others, and that's the one One-Piece is really all about. The adventure. That's why every arc (except Marineford I believe) includes a chapter with "Adventure" in the title. However, even that's not what I would say Oda's main focus is. There is a thread here that asks what everyone likes most about One-Piece, and, if I remember correctly, world building dominated that poll. It's what a lot of us really love about this series. And it's pretty easy to tell Oda loves creating this world. He puts so much effort into creating cultures and histories and things most other mangaka don't even think about. So yes, while this is a shonen series, and thus there is a lot of fighting, it's not what One-Piece is about.
And now: the italicized statement: I beg to differ. Most of my favorite (and what I consider to be the best) scenes in One-Piece are the tearjerkers: Nami's "Help me." Robin's "I want to live," Hiriluk's death, (and a ton more that I won't list here for fear of boring whoever may read this post.) What makes all these scenes great aren't just the emotions, its what they add to the payoff with the Straw Hats finally when. And that's what makes a chapter like this week's important. Yes, we know Caesar's a bastard who was willing to let these kids die, but it still didn't really have any weight behind it. This chapter, give it a lot of weight. Now when Luffy finally kicks the crap out of that slime ball Caesar, it will feel even better.
I see it going something like this.
G5 and Strawhats are together basically handing the kids off and telling them to go with G5 to their parents and so on. You know kind of a truece situation.
Then Luffy out of nowhere punches Smoker in the head sending him flying into a wall or rocks. Then yells at his crew to "run" and they run off and sail away. Something stupid like that. I doubt we see Luffy and Smoker leave on an "next time we meet were enemies speech"
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One thing I just realized is that the marines being there, mainly Smoker and Tashigi, we now can get some newly updated bounties after this arc.
She obviously was impressed with Zoro's new strength. Not sure how well they will be able to judge the others, but considering this is fiction Oda can have them somehow be able to update everybody's perfectly.
I don't know how Oda will pull that off lol. I don't see how the kids can have normal lives after being genetically manipulated to the core like that. But if Chopper does come up with a cure and heals those kids, then I fancy seeing Tashigi and Zoro having a moment until it's ruined by an exaggerated sneeze by Zoro while interrupting her speech on how she thinks the Shs aren't that bad of a crew. Then Luffy out of nowhere punches Smoker in the head sending him flying into a wall or rocks. Then yells at his crew to "run" and they run off and sail away. I really want to know what Buggy's status is right now. If Oda could do that for me, he can take a 5 week break lol
I think part of that is Ceasar is almost cartoonishly evil. So all the evil things he has done while really fucked up when you think about it, the thoughts don't get that far cause he has such a long list and he's just laughing and puffing away like doing one completely nonsensecial evil thing after the next is just business as usual. The other part is that it's been hard to connect with the victims of his evil. The islanders kind of blindly follow him which would almost be like Buggy Prisoner lvl of funny pathetic if Ceasar weren't so obviously evil.
I don't really agree. While he is a mad scientist (and we all know how much eccentricities go along with that) he's had established reasons for doing the things he has done for the most part. He set off the blast that destroyed most of the island in a vengeance against Vegapunk firing him and was originally developing the weapon for a Marine like Aikanu to use in lieu of a buster call. "Shinokuni" is a second attempt at that same weapon only this time he wants to gain recognition and money/power from the powers-that-be in the One Piece underworld. The ongoing gigantism experiments are also a means to a similar end (weapons), though not directly specified.
What is still yet developed is a deeper reason why CC is so obsessed with scientific achievement to the extent of gleefully killing countless as test subjects. Obviously he's a cold-blooded SOB and has a superiority complex in his personal ongoing rivalry with Vegapunk factor in, but whether he was a respectable scientist at one time that eventually became more and more unethical and crazy or whether he was always held such an devilishly inhumane devotion to science remains to be seen. I'm thinking we will see another CC flashback in the future, similar how the Dr Hogback flashback established that he was a renowned surgeon (that even Chopper admired) and became a re-animator of mindless zombie slaves and controlling their free will as a reaction to his obsession over Cindry. Before that was established, his his motives were less clear and more evil and sadistic for its own sake. Usually mad scientists and other similar characters are given some sort character development, dreams, or other exposition to show why they've become monster-makers and builders of death machines to help make their actions more believable and understandable.
@Thousand:
I loved this chapter. One of my favorites of the arc, no it needed to be done bullshit or anything, I genuinely loved it from the bottom of my heart. Mostly because it took these kids and turned them into actual characters opposed to most other writers who would just put in kids and expect us to care. I was shocked at how much effort Oda went to developing the children and how emotionally moved I found myself due to their plight. That plus long needed Straw Hat development of Chopper plus some cute moments with Zoro and Tashigi and an epic entrance by Luffy? Fucking A.
I never noticed Strelok before, I just saw him bash a great chapter over banal reasons, he gets my boot.
Thanks for the mad props though bragh
I don't know what this forum would do without you.
@Mr.:
I don't really agree. While he is a mad scientist (and we all know how much eccentricities go along with that) he's had established reasons for doing the things he has done for the most part. He set off the blast that destroyed most of the island in a vengeance against Vegapunk firing him and was originally developing the weapon for a Marine like Aikanu to use in lieu of a buster call. "Shinokuni" is a second attempt at that same weapon only this time he wants to gain recognition and money/power from the powers-that-be in the One Piece underworld. The ongoing gigantism experiments are also a means to a similar end (weapons), though not directly specified.
What is still yet developed is a deeper reason why CC is so obsessed with scientific achievement to the extent of gleefully killing countless as test subjects. Obviously he's a cold-blooded SOB and has a superiority complex in his personal ongoing rivalry with Vegapunk factor in, but whether he was a respectable scientist at one time that eventually became more and more unethical and crazy or whether he was always held such an devilishly inhumane devotion to science remains to be seen. I'm thinking we will see another CC flashback in the future, similar how the Dr Hogback flashback established that he was a renowned surgeon (that even Chopper admired) and became a re-animator of mindless zombie slaves and controlling their free will as a reaction to his obsession over Cindry. Before that was established, his his motives were less clear and more evil and sadistic for its own sake. Usually mad scientists and other similar characters are given some sort character development, dreams, or other exposition to show why they've become monster-makers and builders of death machines to help make their actions more believable and understandable.
But CC is currently devoid of that kind of development. I think he wanted to make Shinokuni anyway and thought he could justify the idea by saying marines like Akainu would want it. Almost a complete flip-flop, making giants was someone elses idea and CC decide to chime in on it 5 years ago, now he's kidnapping children for experimental data. The guy is self-absorbed and has no respect for life and while that counts as a personality and has gotten him this far it's not character development. Really I've gotten nothing more out of any of the CC flashbacks character development-wise that he wasn't already displaying in the present. He's crazy, and that's it. And the entire nature of the siutation with this insane madman at the centers just makes the fantastical and insane nature of the situation stand out more compared to how evil the things are. Killer gas is obviously evil but killer gas lizard zoan? I want to see where thats going. Kidnapped kids are also bad. Giant kidnapped kids rampaging out of control. I want to see where thats going. Experimenting on prisoners is clearly bad. Sheepmen prison gaurds and centaurs? I wanns see where thats going.
I think actually developing his character would make him seem like more than just a comic villain at the center of the weird but fascinating arc but I also think like Spandam he probably shouldn't get that much treatment because he's so despicable. Really i think developing his victims like Oda did with children here would be a better path. I really don't want to know any more about CC, i just want luffy to pound the crap out of him. But if Oda wanted to display how bad he is developing the G5 (which he has, it just didn't resonate as much with me) his halfhuman guards (which he hasn't and care still blissfully unaware of how evil their master is) or the children (which he did very well in this chapter) and showing the devastation he's bringing on them that will make CC seem worse and bring the background characters more into the light.
Another brilliant chapter. It packs more emotion, drama and depth into one chapter than Bleach has in its entire lifespan.
Not at all surprised to see the grunts with low attention spans complaining about the lack of fights. Even when they are fighting, they complain it could be "fightier". There's just no pleasing some people. And this talk of pacing and running around in circles …. when a huge wall of toxic gas is chasing you, you'd better run. It's a race against time; your reasoning that it's "slow paced" must come from having to wait a week for each instalment. Again and again, I tell these people: step back and look at the arc as a cohesive whole. When it is finished and you can experience it all without interruption. That's the ideal way it should be read; for now, just enjoy how One Piece unfolds while it lasts.
This chapter wasn't about action. Or plot. It was purely character development, investment and emotion. Chapters like this is what makes One Piece so great, because Oda never sacrifices his characters for mindless action. There is always an emotional drive behind everything.
i don't know why,it mad me lol hard.well said.well enough bleach bashing.
Yea stupid chopper. How dare he feel sorry for a kid that is dying. I laugh in the face of kids that get cancer. nothing I could have done to stop their condition so why should I feel sorry and apoligize to them. Stupid ass cancer kids.
glad you agree with me.
! i guess you don't know how to understand what someone's saying,and not using sarcasm to look cool or whatnot.feeling sorry and apologising are different things.by your logic,every doctor should start apologising to all patients,especially kids."ooh,you had cancer for a month now.i'm sorry i couldn't help you sooner,even though i didn't know your name,location or condition. i am supposed to have a superpower that lets me know whenever someone needs help.also BTW,guess i am also supposed to have a superpower that will tell if there are some kids fooled to take poison,even though even the WG were clueless about it.i am deeply sorry for being so useless,i can only help you when i know your existence/problems.
Good post, only thing I disagree with is the Robin comments.
You have to realize that no matter how strong these kids are, the strawhats still see them as they are "KIDS"
If they were enemies I'm sure she could use her many typical moves that break joints and what not, but she is not going to do that to these kids. Same reason Monster Chopper didn't knock out the kids while he was in that form for three minutes. I'm sure he could have KO'd them all while in that form.
While Robin could probably beat all of G5 guys by herself, a huge group of guys can hold a lot of kids better. They just need to grab on and hold, much easier to do it to one person than many. Robin would have to hold down 20 kids herself, while G5 just need to worry about 1 each person. And once that person is sedated that person is free to help out another.
You have to realize that Nami and Robin aren't strong. This has been stated since the start. Robin wins by attacking weak points in a person, such as joints. or using many arms to hold a someting in place, ect. These kids are supposed to be super strong. If she could concentrate on just one, I'm sure she can easily do it, case in point she and chopper did indeed sedate at least one kid. But she has to concentrate on 20 kids running, dodging, attacking, moving ect all at same time and she is trying to stop them without doing ANY damage whatsoever to them. Beating someone without doing damage is way harder than being able to beat them by damage. Especially if they are basically a crack head. I'm sure everyone has heard to not mess with a crack head, they basically have that "mother saving a baby" strength while in that mode.
Robin doesn't need to break anything when she does her submission holds. Look at the kid she holds down in this chapter so that Chopper can inject him. She simply holds him down, and it only requires 100 limbs for her to pull that off. You're telling me she can't do the same thing to the kids that reach Mocha once they get there? There's no reason to not at least try. If they'd simply break out eventually, then show that. As it stands she basically gave up without trying.
And Robin's plenty strong, which is demonstrated by how easily she busted up Monet's snow hold on Nami.
The thing is, I understand from a literary standpoint that this chapter isn't about Robin. She's not supposed to be the focus of this chapter, and that's fine. I just don't think that Oda did a very good job of writing her out in this case. As it currently stands, she appears to have grossly underperformed to me this time around.
It's probably not intentional, but I keep seeing similarities between Chopper and Dr. Hiluluk. Chopper bowing before Mocha and apologizing for not finding them earlier reminded me of the doctor's last moments when he fell on his knees and thanked god his country would be okay. I see some big character development coming Chopper's way, whether he saves the kids or not.
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What I'm real interested in is seeing how Oda will cultivate this relationship that is brewing between the Shs and the G-5 crew after this arc.
Yes! This question has been on my mind for quite a while and I'm looking forward to getting an answer, since I love Smoker and Tashigi and the rather… strange relationship they have with the SH.
Reading the latest chapter got me a good impression on it. So Zoro did a good job handling that Marine lady Also Mocha made it safe with help of others, even he got harmed after eating those sweets, he still did a great job And I must guess Chopper gonna find a solution how to fix up that…
GUYS.
GUYS GO HOME.
UR DRUNK.
Stories aren't just about 'ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAOROAOROAOROAOROAOROAOROAOROAROOAROAROAORAOOROAOROAOROROA' or 'MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMDUAMDUADMAUDADAUDAMDUADMAUDMADUDMA'
They have plot to them other than fighting, you know.
The kids are an important part of the current arc, and Oda is trying to prey on our emotions with them also.
And you guys are like 'ERMAHGERD GTFO KIDS YOU SUCK BLAHBLAHBLAH BACK TO FIGHITNG BLAHBLAHBLAH' really now?
If you want none-stop fighting go watch Naruto. Seriously you guys.
Get. Over. It.
if One Piece was just fighting all the damned time I'd probably not enjoy it as much. It needs breaks from fighting… it needs some emotion, damn it!
You didn't complain at the Going Merry Viking Funeral - you bawled your manly eyes out.
You didn't complain at Ace getting magma fisted in the chest - you whined your asses off/bawled your eyes out/curled into a fetal position for a few weeks as you mourned the loss of your firey hot sex god known as Ace.
You didn't complain at the Otohime flashback and her death - You bawled your damned eyes out.
We know Oda likes to present us with moments which bring on emotions.
There will be some in this arc as we saw this chapter.
So get over it for the love of god.
TAKE IT LIKE A MAN/WOMAN/WHATEVER/WHOEVER YOU ARE.
And stop whining.
Otherwise I'll have to post the Emo!Ace picture.
Or worse.
Please , please, I want to see the Emo!Ace picture AND worse.
So, here I go: what a baaddddddd chap!!!!!!!
Mocha eating all the candies was very impressive. That's why I liked this chapter and I like one piece, because it digs characters' emotions and personalities so deeply.
Nothing is ever about that, whatever that is.
Look at this example
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That is the kind of page I would have preferred. have Luffy be as big as Tashigi, yet still have multiple panels on the page where stuff/dialogue is going on.
I get it now. Yeah, thinking about it I would have preferred that kind of page ultimately. It would have still allowed for progression if the top panels were off to the side.
I thought you meant something like this:
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or this (a face on a spread):
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Usopp was hilarious in this chapter!
Usopp was hilarious in this chapter!
I really liked this chapter. I loved how they went with the Mocha bit. I think the problem with it, is Oda didn't give us enough Mocha from the start, or the other children. Usually he will take the time to make us care about the characters or get into their head enough that we feel more when stuff like this happens.
I think he could have done that better if from the earlier introduction to the children there was more interaction with them. 90% of their screen time was them being giant bags of rage and withdrawl.
It seems people got sick of the 'flashbacks' and Mocha stuff after a few panels, where FI flashbacks took more than one chapter(because Oda made us 'care' more about the characters)
@Demonicpoodle:
lol, he was there in your heart.
Really though, Chopper really got me when he apologized for not getting there sooner.
Does 'Mocha' has a meaning in japanese?
G-5 medical class? Oh god…. well, at least they're helping... in their own... unique... way~
Also, damn, I didn't expect such a dark chapter. The flashback set up Mocha's sacrifice greatly.
Come to think of it... it was all obvious that the kids became very close during their time on the island, but it's nice to see it actually being shown directly to us.
Does 'Mocha' has a meaning in japanese?
I dunno, I do know how to spell it though: モチャ –> this is the extent of my Japanese
Poor momo, he is starving, hopefully Usopp can instantly produce food with some of his seeds.
I get it now. Yeah, thinking about it I would have preferred that kind of page ultimately. It would have still allowed for progression if the top panels were off to the side.
I thought you meant something like this:
or this (a face on a spread):
I haven't started reading the manga yet but that's Medaka Box for sure (no need to answer, buddy, I'm just randomly commenting on it).
@Ukimix:
Does 'Mocha' has a meaning in japanese?
Doesn't CCC always pronounce it as Mochya?
too many children this chapter ugh! :(
I get it now. Yeah, thinking about it I would have preferred that kind of page ultimately. It would have still allowed for progression if the top panels were off to the side.
I thought you meant something like this:
or this (a face on a spread):
Well that's kind of my complain. The last panel was a panel of just luffy's face. We have him in such a cool looking dragon wrap and yet its a close up of his face, the only body shot is a far away low detail one.
But yea I obviously hate full page or double page spreads of just a face or body. Oda usually never does this unless its a finishing move in a fight such as Zoro's last chapter or back on fishman island where an entire chapter was basically double spread after double spread of finishing moves.
Preparing to add Mocha to my list of. "Characters that if they stayed dead would make OP a better manga."
- Pagaya
Preparing to add Mocha to my list of. "Characters that if they stayed dead would make OP a better manga."
- Pagaya
- Pell
- Brook (YOHOHOHOHO)
- Sabo:ninja:
Why would Brook be better dead.
i can understand being upset if he never died, but he did die and his fruit is the only reason he is alive. That's not an asspull.
^ Its because hes already dead, so I want him to stay the way he is.
Preparing to add Mocha to my list of. "Characters that if they stayed dead would make OP a better manga."
- Pagaya
- Pell
- Brook (YOHOHOHOHO)
- Sabo:ninja:
Too bad that Oda disagrees with you regarding Sabo. :ninja:
I haven't started reading the manga yet but that's Medaka Box for sure (no need to answer, buddy, I'm just randomly commenting on it).
Doesn't CCC always pronounce it as Mochya?
I don't have the raws, but if it's written as もちゃ or モチャ then it should be Mocha, if written as もちや or モチや then it should be Mochya. Mochya translates to toys apparently.
It just occured to me Mocha should be pronounced Mo-CHA (or Mo-CHYA if that's what CCC says)
I've been viewing the word as mo-KA, as in a mocha latte.
….oh dear.
It just occured to me Mocha should be pronounced Mo-CHA (or Mo-CHYA if that's what CCC says)
I've been viewing the word as mo-KA, as in a mocha latte.
….oh dear.
LOL you're not alone, so have I
To clarify it is written モチャ http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-686-Raw-Scan/05.jpg if that helps :)
Don't know any Japanese, but if ccc wrote 'Mochya' maybe he meant to clarify the pronunciation as it is an English 'ch' as in 'Kitchen' or 'China'.
Why would Brook be better dead.
i can understand being upset if he never died, but he did die and his fruit is the only reason he is alive. That's not an asspull.
how in the world didn't you get the joke, especially with the YOHOHOHOHO?
It just occured to me Mocha should be pronounced Mo-CHA (or Mo-CHYA if that's what CCC says)
I've been viewing the word as mo-KA, as in a mocha latte.
….oh dear.
It's sad, but even having studied some Japanese myself, that's how I've been reading it as well…
I blame Oda's transcultural naming patterns. :p
Can someone explain why it is spelled "Mochya"?
I am just gonna call her "Caramel Macchiato" to avoid confusion.
@400MillionBelis:
Can someone explain why it is spelled "Mochya"?
In Japanese it's spelled モチャ, which is made up of the syllables "Mo" (モ - pronounced like "motor"), "Chi" (チ - pronounced like "cheese"), and "Ya" (ヤ - pronounced like "yard").
The combination of "Chi" and "Ya" (チャ), however, is a contraction of the two - as evidenced by the smaller than normal "Ya" at the end - functionally changing what would otherwise be two distinct syllables into a single one. When contracted like this, the "i" sound at the end of the first syllable and "y" sound at the beginning of the second cancel each other out, or blend together in such a way that they seem to do so audibly. Generally, this is romanized as either a "Cha" or "Chya" at the translator's discretion, though they are pronounced the same. (As an aside, a number of similar contractions operate in the same way: Chi + Yu = Chu/Chyu; Shi + Yo = Sho/Shyo; Ji + Ya = Ja/Jya; and so on.)
Put it all together, you get Mocha (or Mochya). :)
warning: this post is sexist.
Shuddup.
We like her on permanent PMS.
It's not a proper chapter thread unless zach is going G$(sKt%JE^IaT at least once.
I m with you in this.
In Japanese it's spelled モチャ, which is made up of the syllables "Mo" (モ - pronounced like "motor"), "Chi" (チ - pronounced like "cheese"), and "Ya" (ヤ - pronounced like "yard").
The combination of the "Chi" and "Ya" (チャ), however, is a contraction of the two, as evidenced by the smaller than normal "Ya" at the end. Essentially, when contracted like this, the "i" sound at the end of the first syllable and "y" sound at the beginning of the second cancel each other out, or blend together in such a way that they seem to do so audibly. Generally, this is romanized as either a "Cha" or "Chya" at the translator's discretion, though they are pronounced the same. A number of similar contractions operate in the same way (i.e. Chu, Cho, Sha, Shu, Sho, Jya, Jyu, Jyo).
Put it all together, you get Mocha (or Mochya). :)
Thanks for the explaination
Thanks for the explaination
You are quite welcome. It's all too rare that I get to make use of my limited skills in Japanese. :)
Not all of them are South birds. That was the pic Oda used to show some of the other directional birds= North, East & West BIrds.
The one that lookes like a heart next to the Sout Bird is the North Bird, that heart is suppose to a N but is a heart becuse its fallen in love with that South bird (at least thats what Oda said lol). In that pic its small so ard to tell butt he other two birds…look at their crests, one is a W and the other is E
I never knew out their existence! Thanks!
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/images/smilies/student_raising-waving-hand.gif
Please , please, I want to see the Emo!Ace picture AND worse.
So, here I go: what a baaddddddd chap!!!!!!!
After reading this post….
! Can I be your friend?:wub:
when i read the spoilers i was like: anhn, this one dont sound so good.
But ODA always seems to amaze me, the chapter was just so much nicer then the spoilers itself :S
nice one!