Zoro reminded me of that annoying kid from venture brothers
yeah i was gonna to bust out a sweet roundhouse but i had to register my limbs as lethal weapons
Zoro reminded me of that annoying kid from venture brothers
yeah i was gonna to bust out a sweet roundhouse but i had to register my limbs as lethal weapons
most of people here sounds like Hitler.. i wonder if Hitler kill so many men, women and childrens because he didn't want to be sexist.. hm.. or maybe some of you will make him a president if he still alive because he kill everyone..
Zoro can cut or hit or kill anyone he want and if didn't want to, he will not cut/hit/kill them.. he do as he please.. he or Oda is not sexist.. take all of you guys sexism crap anywhere else please..
The answer is quite obvious.
People just don't want to accept it.
I don't plan on discussing this issue on this thread any further than this.
So explain to me again why the hell is having tits supposed to be a problem for Zorro again?
And frankly ponx, I'm tired as all hell about the whole "how dare you think of attacking a woman?", the idea should be "why attack anybody, specially if they are weak" having tits should not even be a factor in there.
Amen and amen.
Not really interested in a drawn-out forum argument, because nobody ever comes out any happier thanks to those, but here's my piece on it.
! Really dissatisfied with this. I'm usually not so much of an OP maniac that any given decision by Oda would be enough to stir up anything particularly strong in me, but… this is bad. Ugh.
! It's true that thus far, Zoro has always used non-lethal, non-blade-based techniques to take out female opponents (headcrush; back of sword; etc.), so why should this come as a shock? The problem is that Monet is the first legitimately powerful woman Zoro has come up against (maybe not really a threat to him in the end, but clearly capable of doing some damage to others). The ladies at Whiskey Peak were so weak as to practically be comic relief, so up until now it's not as if we could have definitively concluded that Zoro is unwilling to cut women. I, anyway, would have held out hope that he'd be willing to when it came to someone as significant as a logia-type arc mini-boss.
! The fact is, Tashigi had to be the one to deal the damaging blow, and that trivializes her (especially considering that she couldn't have won the fight alone). It's like, "Here you go. The big man set up the kill for you, but he was too good to do it himself." Additionally, although it's obviously not Oda's intention, given that he is clearly a strong believer in traditional gender roles, this makes Zoro look pathetic as hell. Oh, really, would he have taken down Monet if it came down to the wire? "Every beast will bite a person eventually, if it has to" or whatever that bullshit is? Take the stupidly-thin veiling away from that, and you've got, "I don't want to slap a bitch, but if she gets out of line, then I will." Finally, Monet, after all her hype as this incredibly clever schemer/researcher/tactician and a terrifyingly overwhelmingly logia ability user, is trivialized down to the dirt. A legitimate threat? Not even as much as Zoro's pathetic FI opponent. All it took was a stare-down to give her the vapors. Welcome to the New World!
! So now two of the Monster Trio are chivalrous morons.
Thank god at least Luffy is asexual, although given that Oda is control, it's not as if he'll ever actually strike a "pretty" woman in a non-comical way.
! I realize this is a rant, and it's intended to be. I'm really feeling pretty disgusted by Oda, because I feel like we've come to expect slightly better from him.
i am at a loss for words, fantastic chapter!
I thought half the point of Zoro's backstory was that it didn't matter if you were male or female to be a great swordsman? It's not the first time we've seen Zoro acting like this in regards to a woman. IIRC during Skypiea when Eneru attacked Robin. Zoro's reaction was 'What are you doing!? She's a woman!'
So yeah. This has been going on for a long time.
most of people here sounds like Hitler.. i wonder if Hitler kill so many men, women and childrens because he didn't want to be sexist.. hm.. or maybe some of you will make him a president if he still alive because he kill everyone..
Zoro can cut or hit or kill anyone he want and if didn't want to, he will not cut/hit/kill them.. he do as he please.. he or Oda is not sexist.. take all of you guys sexism crap anywhere else please..
Oh look, the mother of all halfassed arguments, Hitler!
Shine on you brilliant comet you!
And Tashigi is useless because she has never shown any real martial growth, she is just sort of there perpetually in the shadow of Smoker and being a subplot of a subplot for Zorro. She is also like a walking insult to Kuina who was an amazing swordsman while she is pretty sucky at it. This is still a shounen battle manga, unless you show your worth in other facets like Nami does for example (and I'm still convinced Nami would kick Tashigi's ass) you are expected to be able to fight to a degree to be worthwhile. This is specially distressing since Tashigi has never really had a shinning moment in this sense. Smoker has had a string of loses, but now he gets his redemption, but Tashigi is still waiting and has been waiting a long time.
I don't understand how people are seeing sexism in Zoro's actions. That Zoro wouldn't attack a woman was Tashigi and Monet's assumption. An assumption that was wrong. Zoro cut her. The reason that he didn't outright butcher her was because he didn't need to. And that holds with the philosophy of not indiscriminately slicing everything in site that he realized back in Alabasta.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2301-16/one-piece/chapter-194.html
B A D - A S S!!
How can Zoro be so strong like this? And looks like he doesn't even use 1/10 his power..
And how can he hurt Monet in Logia body with an air slash!!? So swordmen can use their haki in the air slash as well!?
Zoro was trained by Mihawk. Shouldn't he be at least this good. And Mihawk used a type of intimidation on Luffy you could compare to Zoro. But Tashigi noted that he used the power of fear so it looked like he cut her with his sword, but chose not to cut and harm her, like when he learned the breath of all things in Alabasta.
well pleased with the chapter
Zoro showed he can use haki
and in my opinion was it just fear that stopped her moving or was this another form of haki aka COC
It looks like a variant of COC since it can kind of stop opponents from moving for a second with intimidation/fear.
I think the whole issue was a bit unclear. I mean, Zoro does hurt women. Miss Monday, anyone? He was brutal to her and she did less than Monet…
Great chapter I must say!!
My god, Zoro was one hell of a troll. He has shown that he can take out Monet easily if he wanted, only to chose not to as he only kills when his life or the lives of those he care for are in danger, along with only getting serious against those who are his equal which Monet is nowhere close to.
Oh and Tashigi was OK too.:D
I think the whole issue was a bit unclear. I mean, Zoro does hurt women. Miss Monday, anyone?
It was an island of Bounty hunters. He had to protect his crew. I think he got some children that night also.
. . .
Sorry. Didn't like it.
Worst chapter of the arc for me.
Maybe it was the translation or what, but it felt a bit stupid.
So Zoro doesn't cut women after all. But wait, if he gets pissed he does. Only, when he does, he doesn't go all out. But he would've if Tashigi didn't cut Monet down. But he didn't want to cut her down. . .
I don't know.
there's a big difference between make a little cut in the cheek and go all out and straight cut someone's chest.Not everyone is "black-or-white" like sanji…zoro doesn't want to seriously cut women because he thinks that they are weak
Did Zoro use the King haki ? -> not using haki in his strike but Monet being so weak from his intimidation move that she can't get herself up ? It could explain how King haki can work against bigger opponents (until now we only saw it against fodder)…
@CCC:
Amen and amen.
Not really interested in a drawn-out forum argument, because nobody ever comes out any happier thanks to those, but here's my piece on it.
! Really dissatisfied with this. I'm usually not so much of an OP maniac that any given decision by Oda would be enough to stir up anything particularly strong in me, but… this is bad. Ugh.
! It's true that thus far, Zoro has always used non-lethal, non-blade-based techniques to take out female opponents (headcrush; back of sword; etc.), so why should this come as a shock? The problem is that Monet is the first legitimately powerful woman Zoro has come up against (maybe not really a threat to him in the end, but clearly capable of doing some damage to others). The ladies at Whiskey Peak were so weak as to practically be comic relief, so up until now it's not as if we could have definitively concluded that Zoro is unwilling to cut women. I, anyway, would have held out hope that he'd be willing to when it came to someone as significant as a logia-type arc mini-boss.
! The fact is, Tashigi had to be the one to deal the damaging blow, and that trivializes her (especially considering that she couldn't have won the fight alone). It's like, "Here you go. The big man set up the kill for you, but he was too good to do it himself." Additionally, although it's obviously not Oda's intention, given that he is clearly a strong believer in traditional gender roles, this makes Zoro look pathetic as hell. Oh, really, would he have taken down Monet if it came down to the wire? "Every beast will bite a person eventually, if it has to" or whatever that bullshit is? Take the stupidly-thin veiling away from that, and you've got, "I don't want to slap a bitch, but if she gets out of line, then I will." Finally, Monet, after all her hype as this incredibly clever schemer/researcher/tactician and a terrifyingly overwhelmingly logia ability user, is trivialized down to the dirt. A legitimate threat? Not even as much as Zoro's pathetic FI opponent. All it took was a stare-down to give her the vapors. Welcome to the New World!
! So now two of the Monster Trio are chivalrous morons.
Thank god at least Luffy is asexual, although given that Oda is control, it's not as if he'll ever actually strike a "pretty" woman in a non-comical way.
! I realize this is a rant, and it's intended to be. I'm really feeling pretty disgusted by Oda, because I feel like we've come to expect slightly better from him.
I want to know since when Monet was hype up as a legitimate threat to Zoro since the start all she did was run from him .
She also said her self that she was no match for him .
Also he did same thing to Hyouzou d told him get lost but he attack so he finish him off.
I wonder if this was not a women if we would had all this problem .
It was an island of Bounty hunters. He had to protect his crew. I think he got some children that night also.
Yeah, but that's my point. Monet threatened Robin, Nami and Chopper. To be honest, I don't even know how to interpret his actions here. Does him slashing Monet mean the girls were wrong in their assumption? Zoro never says either way…
The only reason this is happening is because Monet happened to be a woman. If I understood this chapter correctly, Zoro would've done the same thing if she had been a man. It was about the threat she posed and not her gender. Tashigi is being more prejudiced here than Zoro.
I want to know since when Monet was hype up as a legitimate threat to Zoro since the start all she did was run from him .
She also said her self that she was no match for him .
And where did he say it was hyped as a threat to Zorro? Nowhere, the thing is she has been hyped during the whole arc yet her strategy was … get cut in half and go all monster. Was kind of expecting a bit more out of Monet seeing how she has been the wild card for half the arc already and well, now she seems to be quite handilly neutralized.
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The only reason this is happening is because Monet happened to be a woman. If I understood this chapter correctly, Zoro would've done the same thing if she had been a man. It was about the threat she posed and not her gender. Tashigi is being more prejudiced here than Zoro.
Lets see if he does that the next time he faces 15 nameless grunts then. Cause he sure as hell has never done it before.
Oh dear. I said I didn't want to get into this, but it's so irresistible!
I didn't say she was hyped as a legitimate threat for Zoro ("not a threat to him in the end"). I said she was hyped as a legitimate threat to a number of players on the board and the entire situation in general (even Luffy had to run), unlike the jokes that were the nun, Ms. Monday, and Ms. Valentine. Not taking her down immediately with, say, a move similar to Tashigi's (a simple slash across the back), was incredibly foolish (and right after the "Hey Luffy dis is da New World so let's srs business!!" speech), and out of character, or so I would have hoped.
EDIT: Yeah. Same here, Seres. I think it's bedtime. Have fun, guys!
Also, I think I will stay off the internet for a while. This is gonna cause such a shitstorm…
The only reason this is happening is because Monet happened to be a woman. If I understood this chapter correctly, Zoro would've done the same thing if she had been a man. It was about the threat she posed and not her gender. Tashigi is being more prejudiced here than Zoro.
Thank you. That's exactly what I think too. It's entirely possible that Zoro has changed over the 2 years that he was with Mihawk. Why does everybody need to stay the same as they were back in Alabasta or whenever.
Maybe Mihawk taught him only to bring out the big guns when there's a real danger of him or his crew getting hurt. We saw that on Fishman Island too, when he first gave his opponent a chance to back off. He only hurt Hyouzou, when he tried to attack from behind with his poisonous swords.
Also, I think I will stay off the internet for a while. This is gonna cause such a shitstorm…
Personally I'm gonna go read a bad book.
! 50 Shades of Grey I really don't enjoy the fact that I'm actually… angry at this development. In my mind, Oda screwed up on all fronts here. Except the looking cool factor, which has never been his primary focus--it's usually secondary. But seriously it feels like I'm mad at my kid who always gets A's on his report card and is always trying to please me. It's not a very pleasant feeling.
I'm not going to distort my perception of things by thinking, "Well this chapter was bad, but this book is worse, so the chapter is good!" Nah, the chapter's still going to be bad in my mind, but the book should serve as a good distraction.
I'm not worried, personally, because we've never had stretches of bad chapters (...unless you're one of those people who didn't like Impel Down), but damn did this leave a sour taste.
Thank you. That's exactly what I think too. It's entirely possible that Zoro has changed over the 2 years that he was with Mihawk. Why does everybody need to stay the same as they were back in Alabasta or whenever.
Maybe Mihawk taught him only to bring out the big guns when there's a real danger of him or his crew getting hurt. We saw that on Fishman Island too, when he first gave his opponent a chance to back off. He only hurt Hyouzou, when he tried to attack from behind with his poisonous swords.
I'm going to cling to this possibility now, I think. :p But this makes me a bit bitter. From Zoro of all people… @Demonicpoodle If anything, that... "book" is gonna make you feel worse. Spare yourself.
@ apple
I know how to gauge the conversation! It really is a post belonging to a different thread. But here goes my reply to ponx then.
! Refusing to hit women doesn't make anyone a decent man. It's gender specific chivalry that only serves to reinforce the notion that women are meant to coddled. Rather than that, it's best to avoid inflicting violence on other people. We protect people because they're innocent or in need of protecting rather than simply being female. That's not to say violence is never necessary. It's to say avoid it whenever possible. Even when confronting belligerent or the unruly, it's our job as human beings to try and treat them with the respect they don't seem to deserve.
! Also we've already seen what Sanji would do when Robin's or Nami's lives are endangered. He chose chivalry over Robin's life (and the whole crew's essentially seeing as how they're all risking their lives and he passively delayed their search) in Enies Lobby. It was frankly one of the worst decisions I've seen anyone make in the series. Now I'm not saying to jump aboard the Sanji-hate train as he's still done plenty of great things. I am saying however that his actions in this particular instance were completely indefensible. If he wants to voluntarily handicap himself that's fine. But at the expense of other people? Not gonna fly son.
@ Large
But man, this shit balloons sometimes yo! It induces headaches pretty fast.
@ andy
Miss Monday ended up screaming and foaming at the mouth due to what looked like gradual and sustained pressure. Where's the mercy in that? I guess Zoro forgot his Vulcan Death Grip at home right? Why not just a quick stab with the butt of his sword like with Sanji at Thriller Bark? Sure Zoro could have done much worse, but I know mercy when I see it and that ain't it son.
The nun thing is dumb too. The kid I can see because he's just at the whim of adults. But the nun? How is she any less competent than any of the other bounty hunters? (I dunno, maybe for the kid's sake?)
And the Hyozou thing isn't comparable either, or at least not entirely. He gave Hyozou a chance to leave sure, but he also kept him preoccupied. If he was such an overwhelming opponent to Monet then how the hell did she manage to get off two to three more attacks on Nami and Robin, or take a chunk out of the marine's shoulder. Tashigi's fine since that was voluntarily observed. But Nami and Robin? He should have stopped Monet stone cold (pun!) from the getgo. Imagine if Monet had a trick or two up her sleeve and one of her pot shots actually succeeded in injuring Nami or Robin, all due to a bit of negligence on Zoro's part. At least with Hyozou he did his job. There was also the bit about Sanji kinda strumming up some integrity for Zoro beforehand. Monet's pretty clearly a baddie. Nobody's gonna bat an eye about her getting taken down. We didn't need it for Hyozou and we don't need it now.
The way it stands Zoro may really have no qualms about fighting women (As in none whatsoever because it may be a case of mercy to a weaker opponent like Hyozou) but Oda's handling the situation so clumsily that it's actually a bit confusing. Having to state your merciful actions at all is completely baffling to me. Just stop them quickly without hacking them to pieces. And with that yeah… I'm coat-tailing CCC and Seres on outta here.
And where did he say it was hyped as a threat to Zorro? Nowhere, the thing is she has been hyped during the whole arc yet her strategy was … get cut in half and go all monster. Was kind of expecting a bit more out of Monet seeing how she has been the wild card for half the arc already and well, now she seems to be quite handilly neutralized.
Finally, Monet, after all her hype as this incredibly clever schemer/researcher/tactician and a terrifyingly overwhelmingly logia ability user, is trivialized down to the dirt. A legitimate threat?
That is what CCC said and none of that matters since she was fighting Zoro who she knew would beat her until she get cocky thinking he won't hit her.
Lets see if he does that the next time he faces 15 nameless grunts then. Cause he sure as hell as never done it before.
Zoro still going to beat grunts like crazy he did it during FI but that did not stop him from act that way vs Hyouzou .
I dont know..but if this is how Monet is defeated after so much New World Hype, it wasn't how i expected it. But i think Monet isn't defeated yet. I am still having hard time to understand this chapter. Is it the shitty grammar or is it just me not understanding?
first,let;s get the boring part out of the way.
1)zoro let tashigi get bitten badly.
2)he cut monet so fiercely that she can't even connect her body back together.what more do u want?
3)no one has brought this up,but zoro said"are you satisfied,you two".i think it was directed to tashigi and kuina and meant something like "whatever,let me sleep already". he cut her,but was too lazy to use haki.of course he is trolling.
4)don't get me started on miss monday.did monet smash zoro's head into the floor?or something similar?no,so stop comparing them.he just wanted to tell her "i'm stronger than you",which he tells to tashigi too.it's because he's arrogant.
enough about "that".when tashigi said so i was like WTF?then i realized.you dumb pandas.and why the heck is zoro grabbing tashigi's shoulder in the last page?DID NO ONE ELSE SEE THAT?ARE MY EYES BAD?seriously weird what the people miss while moaning.
@ andy
And the Hyozou thing isn't comparable either, or at least not entirely. He gave Hyozou a chance to leave sure, but he also kept him preoccupied. If he was such an overwhelming opponent to Monet then how the hell did she manage to get off two to three more attacks on Nami and Robin, or take a chunk out of the marine's shoulder. Tashigi's fine since that was voluntarily observed. But Nami and Robin? He should have stopped Monet stone cold (pun!) from the getgo. Imagine if Monet had a trick or two up her sleeve and one of her pot shots actually succeeded in injuring Nami or Robin, all due to a bit of negligence on Zoro's part. At least with Hyozou he did his job. There was also the bit about Sanji kinda strumming up some integrity for Zoro beforehand. Monet's pretty clearly a baddie. Nobody's gonna bat an eye about her getting taken down. We didn't need it for Hyozou and we don't need it now.The way it stands Zoro may really have no qualms about fighting women (As in none whatsoever because it may be a case of mercy to a weaker opponent like Hyozou) but Oda's handling the situation so clumsily that it's actually a bit confusing. Having to state your merciful actions at all is completely baffling to me. Just stop them quickly without hacking them to pieces. And with that yeah… I'm coat-tailing CCC and Seres on outta here.
I agree with you that he should have stop Monet from the get go but you also have to remember she was running from him
In chapter 686 he was fighting her than all of sudden she went over to nami but as you said all of that could have been avoid .
If Zoro was serious in the first place ( think i going and sleep )
LOL at that cover. Caribou just abandoned his brother. Yarisugi must pretty tough, capturing a pirate worth 190,000,000 beli.
…But here goes my reply to ponx then.
! Refusing to hit women doesn't make anyone a decent man. It's gender specific chivalry that only serves to reinforce the notion that women are meant to coddled. Rather than that, it's best to avoid inflicting violence on other people. We protect people because they're innocent or in need of protecting rather than simply being female. That's not to say violence is never necessary. It's to say avoid it whenever possible. Even when confronting belligerent or the unruly, it's our job as human beings to try and treat them with the respect they don't seem to deserve…
I'm not going to comment on the Sanji part, just the first part. I think the real reason why any sexism issue will always cause a shitstorm here, is that we tend to forget we come from different countries; backgrounds; cultures; and families. And each will have their own interpretation of "sexism", "female roles", etc; so taking into accounts all those things, I can understand your view.
My personal view is that any decent man should never hit a woman so easily, if u do than it better be with a damn good reason. Is it because "women are weaker (supposedly)"? I suppose on some level, yes. But more importantly its out of respect, every woman is or will become someone's mother; and I think that alone is enough reason for me to treat women with higher respect than I do towards men. But that's off topic
More on topic, taking into account of Oda's background, I can understand his view. But what really puts me off this chapter is the execution, there are cliche lines all over the place. And to tell u the truth, some panel made me think I was reading Bleach instead of OP
Well i called if last chapter as well as others that Zoro didn't curb stomp Monet because she is a female, i don't,t know why everyone couldn't see it.
every woman is or will become someone's mother
You're killing me here.
On topic: I disliked this chapter. Needed more Law, or dragons, or something. I don't know.
Ok. Bedtime, for real.
I loved this chapter, unlike many it would seem! I think Zoro really showed his character, and did not seem to me at all Sanji-like. Zoro is far more condescending to women, and you know that he would not die before hitting a woman (thanks Sanji for making that clear distinction). His interaction with Tashigi is what ruled the chapter. She tried to teach him a lesson about fighting seriously and not underestimating women. Zoro seemed to give a counter lesson about priorities and not rushing in for the kill, not to mention his overpowering victory without use of haki. Letting her get the finishing blow and get the "kill credit" was sweet of him, but again so condescending. Overall though, I'm taking away that Zoro is a little bit more measured in his display of power lately, and now might prefer not to kill when just fighting will suffice. He reminds me much of Mihawk in this chapter, what with his one sword slash attack and single hawk-eye stare.
damn I really hoped Zoro will finally cut someone in half. WHY ODA U NO LET ZORO CUT PEOPLE IN HALF GADDAMINT!!
I'm not going to comment on the Sanji part, just the first part. I think the real reason why any sexism issue will always cause a shitstorm here, is that we tend to forget we come from different countries; backgrounds; cultures; and families. And each will have their own interpretation of "sexism", "female roles", etc; so taking into accounts all those things, I can understand your view.
My personal view is that any decent man should never hit a woman so easily, if u do than it better be with a damn good reason. Is it because "women are weaker (supposedly)"? I suppose on some level, yes. But more importantly its out of respect, every woman is or will become someone's mother; and I think that alone is enough reason for me to treat women with higher respect than I do towards men. But that's off topic
More on topic, taking into account of Oda's background, I can understand his view. But what really puts me off this chapter is the execution, there are cliche lines all over the place. And to tell u the truth, some panel made me think I was reading Bleach instead of OP
No, we are not going there. This was bad, yes. But nowhere near that level.
Were people staring off into space to look deep for no particular reason and let that be the only possible thing people can cling onto in the series? No.
Did the panels consist of puffy white space explosions devoid of character that feel like you're looking at a doodle by a very angry child with obvious issues? No.
Was Zoro revealed to have Conqueror's Haki, a Devil Fruit, super speed? No.
Off-topic - Is bleach that bad? i was considering to start reading it in this december.
On Topic - I really hope this is not Monet is defeated.
This chapter confuses me. That's all.
Enjoyed the chapter a lot! Would have loved it if Zoro would have killed Monet, but the more psychological tactic was also impressive.
Guess it really goes to Zoro's character, he'll fight to the death a worthy opponent, and will give weaklings a way out; Monet was just too wrapped up in the thought that he couldn't hurt women to realize he was giving her a chance to escape with her life.
You know, if I was my 12 year old boy self right now, I could actually enjoy this chapter. Zoro looks confused with his whole outlook in fighting woman. Be Sanji or be a "do not care for anything" swordsman, pick your choice man.
But yeah I don't like it. Oda just made it too much just for coolness factor, and this actually proves Oda just writes for young boys. This kinds of chapter, boys eat up quite easily.
@The:
Be Sanji or be a "do not care for anything" swordsman, pick your choice man.
Why should he choose between two extremes?
Seeing things just as "black and white" is exactly what younger people do. Why can't he be in the middle(depending on the situation etc.) like most real-life people are?
I'm pretty sure there are not many real-world Sanji's around. Neither there are many people who completely disregard gender (except maybe in some cultures).
Did not Zoro cut women at Whiskey Peak? Next thing we'll see is that Luffy also refuses to punch women, oh boy.
It's shonen jump…of course he is writing for kids. When was this a big surprise?
Oh and to the fool that commented that this is "Bleach level bad", you have no idea what you're saying.
Poor Coribou! xD
Zoro is really awesome but I think that sometimes his expression is too much similar to Mihawk's.
what's about next week?
there will be no break I hope!
I need next week's chapter. It better be focused on Luffy and Momonosuke and/or Law & Smoker vs. Vergo. I want this taste out of my mouth as soon as possible.
Vergo and Caesar are the "welcome to the New World" villains. Monet. . .it seems she wasn't. Although up till now she was pretty much awesome.
I really expect her back to the story. To terrorize Nami at least?
Wow, it's just so weird. I swear it's the FIRST time a One Piece chapter left me with such a bad sensation. I'm so used to it being great, even during its lower periods I take decent ammounts of enjoyment out of it. Yes, that includes FI (In fact, while I wasn't terribly excited during the arc, I enjoyed the chapters individually to a certain degree, some more than others, of course). Not even Amazon Lilly I had such a bad aftertaste during a chapter.
BUT, of course, this is not a deal breaker; come next week, we'll probably have a great chapter (considering Punk Hazard so far has been pretty consistent in delivering awesome chapters), and we'll little by little forget about this. . .
No, we are not going there. This was bad, yes. But nowhere near that level.
Were people staring off into space to look deep for no particular reason and let that be the only possible thing people can cling onto in the series? No.
Did the panels consist of puffy white space explosions devoid of character that feel like you're looking at a doodle by a very angry child with obvious issues? No.
Was Zoro revealed to have Conqueror's Haki, a Devil Fruit, super speed? No.
! was zoro's mother revealed to be a D out of nowhere?
and ccc,i hope that you do your magic on this chapter,even if you hate it.(because i like it)
one thinki didn't like was the lenght of flashback.it should have been restricted to one page.
One of the best chapters to me!
Because of the character development, and Zoro awesomeness.
Zoro explained a lot of things to Tashigi, but she didn't understand anything.
Zoro is closer to his goal than ever before.
He is thinking like Mihawk, he doesn't have to prove anyting to anybody.And don't forget the good news about the volume Z!
I share the same opinion.
Roronoa ZORO, is simply: BADASS…...
The way I understood it Zoro not attacking Monet was because he did not want to bother with weaklings. He's acting all arrogant like Mihawk.
At first I thought he was holding back because the opponent's a woman and felt very disappointed, too. This initial impression was easily dispelled though when Zoro cuts Monet in half and says "Are you two satisfied?" thereafter. While he did it without haki thus not killing her, he did use a technique that disabled her which Tashigi has commented on.
Also has anyone not find it strange why Oda needed to show the Arabasta flashback and have Tashigi and Monet repeat the "You can't cut me coz I'm a woman" speech if that was indeed Zoro's reason?
I think people are just blowing this out of proportion just because the enemy's a female. And probably due to the chapter being ambiguous. I got confused on my first read and was ready to jump on the "sexist train" too, but upon reread I got a better understanding of what Oda is trying to convey.
I'd love to know how Tashigi is so "weak" and "worthless" when she delivered the final blow to Monet.
The way I understood it Zoro not attacking Monet was because he did not want to bother with weaklings. He's acting all arrogant like Mihawk.
At first I thought he was holding back because the opponent's a woman and felt very disappointed, too. This initial impression was easily dispelled though when Zoro cuts Monet in half and says "Are you two satisfied?" thereafter. While he did it without haki thus not killing her, he did use a technique that disabled her which Tashigi has commented on.
Also has anyone not find it strange why Oda needed to show the Arabasta flashback and have Tashigi and Monet repeat the "You can't cut me coz I'm a woman" speech if that was indeed Zoro's reason?
I think people are just blowing this out of proportion just because the enemy's a female.
Thinking about it again, yeah that could probably be it. Gosh this chapter is screwing our heads, better sleep for now. We really need chapter 688 fast.