Gol D. Roger had kids on his ship and one of them is pretty much the strongest pirate alive now (talking about Buggy ofc.)
Really laughed about buggy, cleary the main villain in OP 
But, kids? I can see him and Shanks as teenagers at most, not kids.
Chapter 685:
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Since Shanks is now 39 and Roger fought Shiki 27 years ago, Shanks and Buggy were already on Roger's ship when they were 12 years old.
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that weird appearance of dofla is definitely an acid flashback, triggered by the phrase "hold on".. dofla and momo must have been drug buddies.
What I think is that Doflamingo must have had contact with Momo and that triggered the flashback. It looks quite clearly like Dofla and not Caeser. They were talking before about Caeser and Momo didn't have any reaction then but hold on suddenly triggered Dofla. How many bets we see Luffy take him down next. Also Momo seems worried when Luffy says he is a pirate, I think that what I'm assuming isn't that farfetched. That Momo is reminded of Dofla as a pirate and is therefore scared of him.
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Right now, there's no evidence Momonosuke is NOT sabo. :ninja:
Who exactly is Mumbo?
It's OFFICIAL, UsoppXNami 4ever.
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This chapter… really felt like One Piece. Not that the rest of the arc hasn't, but this chapter in particular does a particularly good job at representing the series as a whole to me.
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Love the color spread. Sanji's costume is downright lazy, and Brook doesn't need one, but the entire thing is so fun and unique to what we've had in the past. I love Zoro's whisk[e]y or beer bag, Franky's entire awesome costume, as well as Usopp's, Robin's, Nami's, and Chopper's costumes. I love a lot of the new hats that are used too, including Chopper's wizard variety. And lol at Brook being the only one who's scared of the ghosts. I think I like this color spread more than any I've seen for quite a while, tbh.
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Lol, Momo (thanks to Luffy for shortening that for me) is just like his old man. Perfect. He's undoubtedly the star of this chapter, and within a single chapter he's put himself into position to be majorly important for quite a while, which I'll get to in a bit. It's funny that Luffy doesn't remember who Momo is, but he references him with how he first met Kinemon's legs anyway. Last chapter I was initially struck with how much different Momo's dragon design is from Vegapunk's dragon design (even more so now that we learn they came from the same man). I understand that in this case the design is based on a Chinese dragon, but I find it hilarious that Luffy doesn't recognize it as such, instead thinking of it as an eel. I find it odd that Momo started the flashback with a sword, but didn't have it anymore by the time he escaped to the secret room.
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The first thing that stands out to me about Momo's story potential is his connection to Dofla. First, I have to say that his hallucination of Dofla seemed very strange in how it was executed. I looked at it several times and I'm still not entirely sure how it was intended, which I have to fault Oda for. This one is even more confusing than the panel of Sanji breaking his leg against Vergo, which took me about 5 looks to figure out but I eventually did and then it made sense. Hell, at first I thought Dofla might even be controlling him, but I discounted that idea pretty quickly, and in the end I feel like it's just trauma related. But I'm not even totally sure that they've met yet. Nessa suggested hypnosis to me possibly, and that could definitely fit. The one thing I feel confident about from it, though, is that Momo has a negative connection to Dofla that is no joke. I don't know how it looks in Japanese, but the translations I've seen make it seem pretty ambiguous about how Momo ended up on Punk Hazard. On one hand it seems like he was "diagnosed" with this fake disease or ended up there on accident, while on the other hand it seems like he sneaked on to the boat for whatever reason. His connection with Dofla makes it all the more intriguing, as the boat was undoubtedly connected to him in some degree. I don't think that even Caesar would have the balls to walk into Wano to abduct a child, so I get the feeling this whole situation started with Dofla which caused him to leave Wano on his own. It also feels like Dofla is the root of Momo's and Kinemon's hatred of pirates. For those who were worried about an emotional connection to elevate Dofla into the upper tier of villain douchebaggery, well, I think the anchor of it just punched us all in the face. Now it just needs to be filled in and expanded on, since with one chapter we don't even understand the basics of it yet. But the groundwork has most definitely been laid out.
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The second thing that stands out to me about Momo's story potential is the obvious tie-in to Wano's history with dragons. It's clearly a checkered past and Kinemon, at the very least, despises them. Now Momo is stuck as a dragon and can't even figure out how to change back. We've seen in the past that zoan users' bodies are fairly unstable and they need practice to control them, so under normal circumstances I'd have expected Momo to transform by accident by now if nothing else. This wasn't a normal devil fruit, but rather a failed attempt at an engineered one, so he could very well be stuck as a dragon for now. The groundwork for the importance of Wano's dragon history has already been laid out, and we've had every reason to expect it to be expanded upon, and now Momo is in prime position to act as the emotion anchor for it all to come to the surface and be addressed. This kid is hellishly important.
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The third thing that stands out to me about Momo's story potential is his inevitable connection to Vegapunk. Vegapunk is clearly a very smart, good guy scientist who tries to do things the right way. He tried to engineer a devil fruit of his own making and failed by his own admission (clearly because he messed up the swirl pattern, silly man :ninja:). He obviously didn't intend to have anyone consume it, so it's a wonder why he didn't destroy something that dangerous. He's the man that Oda has led us to believe will give us all the answers we're going to get about how devil fruits work, and he also seems like the type who would take personal responsibility for Momo's current condition. There will come a very important time in the story when the crew meets this guy, and Oda's been planning on it for ages. Well, Momo has thrust himself into the likely role as the emotion anchor for THAT situation as well. He just doesn't know when to quit. I figure he'll be stuck as he is until he meets Vegapunk, who will have the answers (hopefully turning him into more of a proper zoan or something). Chopper might be able to help some, but it should be minor in comparison to what Vegapunk can do. It's also odd that his appearance was concealed throughout the entire flashback, which makes it seem all the more likely that he'll eventually be able to return to his old form or there'd be no purpose.
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I enjoyed Momo's conversation with Luffy, especially the discovery that he might be able to turn back into a human if he just tries harder. I'm also a big fan of how he "flies" by climbing the clouds/smoke/whatever (that he created maybe?). Whatever happened with his eyes only add to the confusion I feel about the Dofla hallucination panel. And for all the people who were concerned that Luffy had no emotional drive to defeat Caesar other than it being interesting, no worries, because Momo has you covered! I guess we were all waiting for that in our own way.
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Usopp, Brook, and Kinemon are searching for Momo and some seastone. And since they won't find Momo, that means their entire purpose seems to be to find some seastone for Robin, but there should be other children around as well, as we've been told. I wouldn't expect Oda to forget about them.
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It's nice to see Smoker giving Vergo a good shot to the grill, but the attack raises more questions. Namely, did he attack with his elbow and turn it black, or is that his glove blurring from the speed? I'll admit that it's seeming more and more likely that the black coloring might be Oda incorporating a visual representation for focused armor haki, which I'm not particularly a fan of since he didn't do it in the huge war saga. I'm still withholding a final judgment on it, but it definitely seems to be going in that direction. I like these little one panel updates these chapters are using for characters that aren't the focus that particular week but remind us that they're still doing something. But they all just make Franky's absense that much more suspicious.
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Ok, Sanji blasting the marines away from the gas with kicks is hilarious. I was confused about why he was running towards the gas and this answers it. And all of this with a broken leg. He's definitely regained his awesomeness in this arc for me after all the annoying nosebleeds after the timeskip. Unfortunately they're heading to the biscuit room, where Monet is… oh God no. Nami, please, whatever happens, keep that man from doing something supremely stupid and tarnishing his glorious path to character redemption. He can do it eventually, but right now it's just too soon.
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And last but not least is the biscuit room update. Monet is finally confirmed as a snow woman logia! I guess that means that the suspicions about her asking Law to change her body were most likely correct. I also realize now that we got foreshadowing of this when they took their coats off while wondering if it could get suddenly get cold again and didn't realize it. I like how Monet's weapons appear to be giant ice picks, which suits her well. She's also deliciously evil, which helps me to really enjoy her character. Of course that means she won't be joining the crew, but that seemed like a pretty wild theory to begin with. I really like how Zoro instantly sprung into action upon the logia reveal. He's been mostly lazily (and somewhat hilariously) conserving his strength since the first dragon fight so that he'd be ready for a tough opponent to show up, so I'm glad that he clearly is. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like he'll be able to finish the fight. It seems like he'll have about enough time to establish his superiority (considering Luffy's) until Sanji and the marines show up with a bunch of gas behind them. Then, pick whatever reason you want for the fight to get postponed, whether it's gas or Sanji's weakness. She may just try to trap them in in the end so that Zoro has to cut them out. Ultimately, Robin's the only one who's taken damage from Monet to this point, and she's already requested the weapon she needs in order to fight against a logia. So in the end, I still feel like this fight ends with her, but under far different circumstances and at another time.
First of all really well written and because I basically agree and have thought about everything you said above I'll just quote and say no need for me to write anything eh?
Two things perhaps though
1. the reason Momo has sword at the start of the flashback is = he sneaked on the ship and so on. So he kept his weapon…
2. It's the same as Urouge says. That Doflamingo giant picture has some meaning behind it and we have to figure what it is. But we have some good hints:
- he suddenly gets those swirly eyes
- and suddenly seems to gain that ability (he says before HOW they are going to get out - if he knew he can fly there would be no HOW)
- Doflamingo picture + the voice HOLD ON HOLD ON
Really confusing
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Since Shanks is now 39 and Roger fought Shiki 27 years ago, Shanks and Buggy were already on Roger's ship when they were 12 years old.
First, thank you for not been as lazy as me (thumbs up),
Well these are some nice facts indeed. So someone at 12 is what.. a kid, a teen, a pre-adolescent?I still see Mononosuke too much as a "kid-brat"
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Right now, there's no evidence Momonosuke is NOT sabo. :ninja:
Except the fact that Doflamingo was present at Gold Roger's execution 24 years ago and is currently 41 years old.
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Would Snow Monet count as another one of Usopp's Lies / Creations coming true?
I can't remember the chapter number, but didn't Usopp build a Snow Queen on the going Merry at the beginning of the Drum Arc?
Yes he did make a snow sculpture called "Snow Queen". I can't remember the chapter either
First, thank you for not been as lazy as me (thumbs up),
Well these are some nice facts indeed. So someone at 12 is what.. a kid, a teen, a pre-adolescent?I still see Mononosuke too much as a "kid-brat"
I don't know about rest of the world but usually in the USA, 11 &12 are considered pre-teen, just barely as 13 is start of teenage years. Kid can be any point underage …. even if the teens object to it lol and tries to say it refers to under 10 (I wished it did so I could get older sis to stop calling me it!)
On how Shanks looked like a teen. Oda seems to draw youths all looking very young then at one age BAM! the look really changes. I mean look at Luffy when Shanks left his village, he was 7. Now look at Nami when Arlong first came to her village, she was 10 (Arlong was in her village for 8 years, she was 18 when met Luffy).
Yet young Nami & Luffy looked same age.
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Look at Luffy when Ace left the island, he appeared almost same as when he did at 17, but he was only 14 at the time.link
One way to look at young Shanks on Rogers crew… remember the trio of boys that followed Usopp around? They are now 11 years old (They were 9 when Usopp left). Look how different they appear in age. Heck esp Tamaneji
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[/HIDE]So to me Rogers!Pirate Shanks could have looked like he was 15 but actually be younger, its just Odas style
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Zoro, Robin, Nami and Chopper vs Monet? HECK YEAHHH!
Monet is a logia?? HELL YESSS!!All these fights = YES.YES.YES.
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Except the fact that Doflamingo was present at Gold Roger's execution 24 years ago and is currently 41 years old.
What does that have to do with Momo not being Sabo?
It's a pillow! It's a pet! It's a
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What does that have to do with Momo not being Sabo?
Oh, f**k. I read Momonosuke as Doflamingo. Anyway if Momo is Sabo then he really hasn't grown at all in the past 12 years.
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So….
S.A.D = Synthesized Artificial Devilfruit?
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So….
S.A.D = Synthesized Artificial Devilfruit?
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I still hold my Sabo And Doflamingo theory. :ninja:
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So….
S.A.D = Synthesized Artificial Devilfruit?
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Nah, DD said that CC is the only one who can produce SAD, we just have to believe him for now. Besides, if CC were able to produce artificial DFs successfully, he would not keep a failed one in his secret room around.
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finaly i read the chapter really paced with information and intersting staff monet vs zoro is kinda inpredctabel and cool virgo vs smoker is heting up and the plot is realy moving fast
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Someone brought it up to me that Franky hasn't been in quite a few chapters recently. Anyone know where he is?
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Okay, a lot noticed Zoro's "whiskey or beer" treat bag and Luffy's "trick or meat" basket, the title of "Dead or Treat", and then swirly eyebrows of Sanji's pumpkin hat.
Call me slow but I just noticed that the d's in "dead or treat' also has the swirly eyebrows. I guess I didn't noticed it because of the vertical lines. I thought they were musical notes until the 4th time to look at the pic! -
Someone brought it up to me that Franky hasn't been in quite a few chapters recently. Anyone know where he is?
He is preparing to be the hero of this arc, he is gonna use an updated Gaon Cannon to blow away the gas and save the day
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I'm loving the icepick as Monet's weapon.
Was that Dofla who woke up Momonusuke?
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Someone brought it up to me that Franky hasn't been in quite a few chapters recently. Anyone know where he is?
He died, CC is the new nakama in his place.
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bout damn time we get a good chapter. This chapter shhows us that CC's a dick and Monet is a snow woman / harpy ladymix fruit maybe. Momo is the first artifitial devil frruit user and maybe not permanent. SSmoker and law teaming up on vergo for a great fight. And lastly luffy is pissed and is gonna beat that ass
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Robin desperately needs a one on one fight…I was praying Monet would be that
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I'm loving the icepick as Monet's weapon.
Was that Dofla who woke up Momonusuke?
Yeah, I don't know what exactly it was but it was Doflamingo's face.
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just noticed it looks like momonosuke is using the cloud things to climb rather than fly
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im quite suprise luffy didn't start to shout ceasar name after heard momo story and the kids then again he can still shout when he reviews ceasar
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Stupid Prediction Time!
What if the fruit is a failure because the owner can't properly use it alone, and the need someone else to transform them? Maybe Dofla is controlling Momonosuke. He could have put his "wires" in the DF, so that he could manipulate the first guy to eat the fruit? -
It was a great chapter, as some had previously foreseen this dragon is momonosuke, what struck me the most was when Dofla's face appeared as what appears to be a trauma in front of Momo, I hope this gets revealed soon regarding the connection between Momo and Dofla, an artificial devil fruit? that vegapunk guy was definitely the most intelligent scientist, by the way, is Vegapunk currently dead ? that aside, I liked when Luffy got mad at Ceasar, as some of you had pointed out, perhaps one of the reasons Luffy hasn't kicked caesar's ass yet has been because he was lacking an emotional reason, now that he has realized how mean this scientist is, what those Children are intended etc… I think next time they bump into each other Luffy will certainly win, not that Caesar has been superior at all, but Luffy is capable of much more.
The last page was cool, finally Zoro gets out from that lazy state in which he's been over the past chapters, I hope Zoro gets to kick Monet's ass, the only thing could save Monet is some sort of interruption.Greetings.
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was a great chapter, especially the momo/luffy convo time.
so is shuusui supposed to be black and white? I've looked at all colour spreads, and every time shuusui is shown, it is in black and white. I like both colour schemes.
next chapter zoro is gonna go belphegor or beelzebub on monet…. not. I would like to see another devil zoro moment, though. not a one liner like with his black rope: great dragon twister( it'll follow you to the ends of hell), although it still is awesome. -
Did Zoro open his left eye?
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Zoro opening his eye- haven't heard of that one in quite a while.
Regarding the chapter – Monet may be thoroughly evil (at least everything's pointing towards it) but I love it. Fascinating character so far, that icy bird-woman.
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You know its a good arc when it's hard to pick out your least favorite new character. Monet, Vergo, CC, Kinemon and Momo are all enjoyable to watch, and even Brownbeard is likable and has shown interesting character progression. I wish we could get more scenes with all of them.
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Did Zoro open his left eye?
It does look like he's about to open it. Maybe it has something to do with his Haki (as nonsensical as it sounds).
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Did Zoro open his left eye?
Yes, he needs to awaken his sharingan for this fight.
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Ya know, after last arc it's weird to see the crew fighting enemies that they actually need to team up to beat.
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Zoro is more than enough for Monet to handle, but given the chaotic situation all around you never know how this fight will go
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Did Zoro open his left eye?
Is this bullshit going to reappear every time Zoro gets pissed until the end of the damn series?
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Is this bullshit going to reappear every time Zoro gets pissed until the end of the damn series?
That would be hilarious in its own little way. -
It's starting to be one of those annoying running meme like fem croc, everyone's sabo, and every shadowed figure is someone we've seen (or sabo).
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Demon Eye Zoro…
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i've been wondering, since the sunny still has the coating technology from FI, perhaps the bubble can protect them from the poison gas? it doesn't let water in, I fail to see why it would let gas in since they're the same size on an atomic scale.
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
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If you got a solution for petrifying cloud of death that covers an entire island, I'm all ears.
I don't think vaccum cleaners are going to cut it.At the very moment that concept was introduced into the arc, it was obvious it's going to be a looming terror the entire arc.
I don't have a solution but I thinking the fact that it is destined to interrupt some good fights makes it a nuisance. Then again you could argue that the fights wouldn't be happening if everyone was not pushed together by the gas. My guess is the solution is everyone rides Franky's robots back to the ship. I really want to know how Baby 5 and Buffalo are supposed to land on PH if the island is covered in gas (another problem with the looming gas). In the end I have trust in Oda and the gas to me is annoying but it doesn't really take anything away from the greatness of this arc.
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If by chance most of Doflamingo's crew is running around using SAD tankers, perhaps they're all submarines? Law might've stole one and ran off with it, which means he has a means to transport it right now too.
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If that is dd who monomsuke saw does dd also look like a 400kg giant
…yes
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It's starting to be one of those annoying running meme like fem croc, everyone's sabo, and every shadowed figure is someone we've seen (or sabo).
It's seems like Zoro will have to explain what happened with his eye… Until then, hang there Aohige.
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It's seems like Zoro will have to explain what happened with his eye… Until then, hang there Aohige.
Well he can't open until he gets a Senju DNA DF and then has Mihawk's eye transplanted which will evolve over time to the sharingan and rinnegan. I don't get how people think he is just going to open his eye, you know how much of a pain in the ass it would be to forcefully keep one eye shut while fighting?
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Why do we need an explanation of what happened to his eye?
It's pretty self explanitory. He trained with Mihawk for the past two years..
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Some people really see what they want to see even if it's not true. Zoro's eye is clearly still shut in that picture.
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