AIDz? wut?
In other topics, congratulations New York! My advice, start smashing up radio stations if anyone pulls some Prop 8 bullshit.
…Or just protest any who broadcast anti-gay commercials. Either works in each case, and us Californians got into that whole mess because of our lack of strong action by influential people.
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New York state approves gay marriage
Next up…er...who else in the US hasn't caught on?Maybe this will eventually be adopted by the English and other countries. But it doesn't seem to be as bigger a issue here, which is more down to marriage being made a joke the past ten years then having a large gay community wanting to to show a bond beyond what they have. When I say joke its more to do with the rate of divorces climbing dramatically, which has tainted it a little. My aunt (who is gay) feels the same way, but this doesn't speak for everyone I guess so it'll end up happening at some point.....just unsure when.
Better to give the people freedom of choice.
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I don't have anything against gays as long as there is an agreement by both persons to have intercourse.
However, statisically speaking gays have higher odds to get AIDS because biologically speaking the man's body is not supposed to work that way.
In other words, wether you are homo or not… just put the stupid condom ! It takes less than 30 seconds ! Stop depending on biology nerds to solve all your problems.
Did we suddenly go back to the 1980's in this thread?
Eh, let's do a lot of coke and vote for Reagan. See if that makes it better.
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New York state approves gay marriage
Next up…er...who else in the US hasn't caught on?Maybe this will eventually be adopted by the English and other countries. But it doesn't seem to be as bigger a issue here, which is more down to marriage being made a joke the past ten years then having a large gay community wanting to to show a bond beyond what they have. When I say joke its more to do with the rate of divorces climbing dramatically, which has tainted it a little. My aunt (who is gay) feels the same way, but this doesn't speak for everyone I guess so it'll end up happening at some point.....just unsure when.
Better to give the people freedom of choice.
Smudge dear, the marriage issue is far more complicated than just being about "…wanting to to show a bond beyond what they have..." though if I take your meaning correctly, there is an element of that involved. There are many many legal ramifications to being legally wed that most people never give much thought to. Rights to be in the hospital room when someone is admitted if you aren't a relative, rights to make decisions about care while in the hospital and after death if that occurs, rights to inherit property, rights to adopt as a couple, rights to keep that child if only one name is on the adoption certificate and it's that person who passes, tax stickiness, etc etc etc. Its a mess, easily cleaned up by legally recognizing that long term committed relationships are a human thing, not a straight thing. I am today very proud to be a New Yorker.
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And taxes! Lower taxes for a married couple!
.. That's the only reason my parents married, lol.
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Did we suddenly go back to the 1980's in this thread?
You took the words right out my mouth. I thought the link aids=gay was since long bygone.
@Sanji: That said why would one want to think about something so ugly like AIDS, when there's talk about something so beautiful like marriage???
Marriage ipso facto is all about security, trust and the whole shabang, so why should married couples need to use protection, or listen to your gibberish.
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New York state approves gay marriage
Next up…er...who else in the US hasn't caught on?Maybe this will eventually be adopted by the English and other countries. But it doesn't seem to be as bigger a issue here, which is more down to marriage being made a joke the past ten years then having a large gay community wanting to to show a bond beyond what they have. When I say joke its more to do with the rate of divorces climbing dramatically, which has tainted it a little. My aunt (who is gay) feels the same way, but this doesn't speak for everyone I guess so it'll end up happening at some point.....just unsure when.
Better to give the people freedom of choice.
This is pretty awesome. I mean New York is one of THE American states. It's pretty high-profile and if that has gay marriage, it might act as the domino to induce legalization in most of the American states (of course never in Texas which went out of its way to ban marriage just to prevent same-sex marriage).
And taxes! Lower taxes for a married couple!
.. That's the only reason my parents married, lol.
Also the right to not have to act as witness against your spouse in a court of law is a nice perk.
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@Thousand:
…(of course never in Texas which went out of its way to ban marriage just to prevent same-sex marriage).
Wait what? Link please.
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@Thousand:
LOL. Texas. Whaddaya gonna do with them…? If Robby weren't there, you'd have to wonder...
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Smudge dear, the marriage issue is far more complicated than just being about "…wanting to to show a bond beyond what they have..." though if I take your meaning correctly, there is an element of that involved. There are many many legal ramifications to being legally wed that most people never give much thought to. Rights to be in the hospital room when someone is admitted if you aren't a relative, rights to make decisions about care while in the hospital and after death if that occurs, rights to inherit property, rights to adopt as a couple, rights to keep that child if only one name is on the adoption certificate and it's that person who passes, tax stickiness, etc etc etc. Its a mess, easily cleaned up by legally recognizing that long term committed relationships are a human thing, not a straight thing. I am today very proud to be a New Yorker.
You know I never thought about all the legal ramifications of being wed, as funny as that is.
I always thought the debate was more about the sign then anything else, but you have a good point. I think the reason I missed this is due to the fact that over hear we have something that allows most of these to be made available to the partner even if they aren't married. But it has to be over a year+ (some years or so) period to be recognised. This applies for divorces too, meaning if you are living together for so many years you get entitled to your partners property/money.
Don't quote me on this though as I'm rusty as hell on the subject.
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May I give it a try?
I don't know if there's something wrong with me, but even though my personal views may differ from those of Sanji499 I think I get what they're trying to say. I don't know if those statistics are fake or not, actually I never read those links and being lazy as I am I won't look for official statistics either. So maybe Sanji499 has statistics on their side or not. I haven't checked.
But there's one thing I can tell even without having a look on those statistics. The only thing those statistics may tell is how many percentage of certain groups is having AIDS. It doesn't tell why someone has it or not. Even if we had a statistic that showed us gays have AIDS more often than straight guys, we wouldn't know what exactly is the reason for this. In that sense saying it's because gays are doing it wrong is, in fact, nothing but jumping to conclusions - especially when we know damn well straight people can have it as well.
Speaking of doing it wrong… How is one's body supposed to work then? How does your partner's gender change the way your body works? And is reproducing seriously the only purpose intercourse serves? I find it hard to argue against this statement for I don't understand the logic behind it to begin with. Feel free to clarify.
What I would like to add though, is that if you can come up with only one or two ways to have sex, you must be lacking of imagination.
And Sanji499 you are very right when you say both partners have to agree to have sex and you need to protect yourself from diseases and all, but both of these statements also apply to any straight relationship. So bringing this up in every post IMO kind of implies you think gays are either ignorant or stupid, which I don't think is what you aim for.
I really admire your patience and humility.
Let's just say that I am worried about the possible consequences morally and biologically on human beings. Since the state of New York tolerates it, it could be a major step for gay relationships being more tolerable or being a major institution (which is not morally wrong) of our society. However, It might be an incentive of an increase of unsafe intercourses between them as well which could cause an increase of AIDS victims (none of us want that) if the stats and articles are correct. Maybe I am totally be wrong because nature can be incredibly unpredictable in good or bad or something unexpected happpens.
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Listening to NPR. They reported that opponents were literally praying as the votes were counted, and the Catholic church and other religious and 'traditional' family organization are showing their butthurt.
To which I say HA!
Already it sounds like New York is fighting more, stating that churches are not obligated to wed couples they don't want to. That's what they said on our side of the Pacific and that fearmongering was part of why Prop 8 passed. -
New York state approves gay marriage
Next up…er...who else in the US hasn't caught on?Keep in mind that this is a country where interracial marriage was massively opposed only a couple of decades ago as well as one where numerous states still had sodomy laws on the books up until 2003 and said laws weren't categorically banned until… I think it was 2007. I don't foresee marriage equality being universal in the United States happening until the Supreme Court strikes down laws against it as unconstitutional just as it did miscegenation laws and I don't have a whole lot of faith that this current Court will do that. Well, unless it becomes purely beneficial to corporations.
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@Thousand:
(of course never in Texas which went out of its way to ban marriage just to prevent same-sex marriage).
Trust me, if I were to propose to my girlfriend, we would still be able to get married.
In fact, I have to go to a friend's wedding tomorrow.
Wedding's were never illegal. I remember be getting freaked out way back when that happened, and they sort of just dropped it.
And gay marriage will eventually get approved here. Texas is barely a red state , and with more and more young people being able to vote every year, and the majority of them being democrat, things will change eventually.
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Ubiq: Well you are a relatively new country to be honest. England however has no excuse other than the fact we go on the principle "if it works don't try to fix it".
And "works" means no reduction of income and trade, or threat to current politicians in charge. If the gay community was a big enough majority the laws would be changed in one election by some political opposition trying to gain votes, without having any care for the debate itself.
Typical politics
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I had this number during Bio classes as well when we were studying STD diseases.
You know what any cases.
People should take precautions before they have intercourse with anybody with any genders. that's the golden rule. I totally agree with Insider about that.
Have you ever taken a Statistics class in your life?
Alos what the other guy said "correlation does not imply causation."
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Let's just say that I am worried about the possible consequences morally and biologically on human beings.
Ah there it is, I knew you had slimy little ulterior motives, otherwise why would you have even brought up AID's in the first place? It having nothing whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed?
Since the state of New York tolerates it, it could be a major step for gay relationships being more tolerable or being a major institution (which is not morally wrong) of our society.
Where the hell do you live? You're talking like the other side of gay marriage is some mysterious twilight zone of slippery slope horror. My state's had it for almost four to three years now, my whole region has had gay marriage all over the place for a year or two.
Nothing changes (except economic boost lol). You're a homophobic buffoon.However, It might be an incentive of an increase of unsafe intercourses between them as well which could cause an increase of AIDS victims
Jesus christ shut the fuck up.
You're bizarre conspiracy theory laden crap was cute when it was talking about politics, but stay the hell out of talking about groups of people. You're cuteness evaporates violently.
(none of us want that) if the stats and articles are correct. Maybe I am totally be wrong because nature can be incredibly unpredictable in good or bad or something unexpected happpens.
Stop fucking pretending you're the logical scientific one. AID's is of immense danger to anyone having unprotected and even protected sex with the infected. It's virtually Russian Roulette with a hundred bullets no matter what, differentiating is moronic. It's simple. You're so confident about the gayz being Aids magnets?
Well, here's a girl with AID's, would you fuck her? With a condom? Would you?You're an antithesis to math and science here, listen to this statement again. Corelation does not imply causation.
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Trust me, if I were to propose to my girlfriend, we would still be able to get married.
In fact, I have to go to a friend's wedding tomorrow.
Wedding's were never illegal. I remember be getting freaked out way back when that happened, and they sort of just dropped it.
And gay marriage will eventually get approved here. Texas is barely a red state , and with more and more with being able to vote every year, and the majority of them being democrat, things will change eventually.
Yeah, right or left leaning, our generation has barely a fuck to give about gays. By the time we're in our 40's the nation will be swept with the legislation. Texas may be proudly red, but it's also filled with major cities and forward moving prospects that's been attracting a more diverse and cosmopolitan body of folks to move there.
The real holdout is going to be Utah and possibly West Virginia.
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I live in a country where same sex marriage has been legal since 2001 and statistically everyone has aids here.
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I am really amazed by your lack of tolerance and patience towards other's people opinions even when they don't have bad intentions.
Let go of your hatred my friend. I thought you gave up on hate.
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I really admire your patience and humility.
Immediately thought you were mocking me for this has to be the first time ever anyone gives me a compliment like that.
But yeah I try to keep my attitude of an arrogant bastard for career purposes only.
Badly reasoned opinions or other viewpoints I don't get in forum posts then again are nothing to get worked up about.Let's just say that I am worried about the possible consequences morally and biologically on human beings. Since the state of New York tolerates it, it could be a major step for gay relationships being more tolerable or being a major institution (which is not morally wrong) of our society. However, It might be an incentive of an increase of unsafe intercourses between them as well which could cause an increase of AIDS victims (none of us want that) if the stats and articles are correct. Maybe I am totally be wrong because nature can be incredibly unpredictable in good or bad or something unexpected happpens.
Well…
How would a marriage be an incentive to unsafe intercourses? Just... how in hell, if I may ask? Shouldn't it be quite the opposite, if anything?
Being gay or having unprotected sex has nothing to do with marriage legislation. I survived the buster call gave good examples of the advantages of being legally married, and I sincerely hope you don't want to deny those privileges for gay couples just because in statistics they have AIDS more often than straight couples do.
That would be simply stupid, now, wouldn't it.
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I am worried about the possible consequences morally and biologically on human beings.
At first I thought he was just trying to join in, but then I saw this.
Now instead of doing the route of 'oh that was a typo' or any of the other predictable routes, how about you just speak your mind and be honest with us instead of trying to use statistics in such a bizarre fashion to justify it all.
So then what is your view of morality on gay marriage and moreso as you are trying to separate intercourse?
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Marriage, aka, monogamy, aka, the limiting of sexual partners to one steady companion, aka, the elimination of sexual chance, aka, a steady partner whose diseases don't change, aka, safe sex.
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Let's just say that I am worried about the possible consequences morally and biologically on human beings.
Rick Santorum posts on Arlong Park? Who knew?
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Oh look over there, it's my respect for sanji499 flying away… Mach 2... Mach 5...
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Here I thought the omg Aids is the cancer of gaez ^W^ homophobe of the 80's had gone extinct, a creature that you know you read about in sociology books about the 80's but just..what.
@Cuddles:
stuff is biologically inherant in their system for not thinking of using their dicks 'the correct way' :) it's the wrath of God unleashed on them am tellin you!!!! especially dem black homos wipe them off the surface they too promiscuous and bestial!!!will spread that shit real fast!!! cut all gaez penises!!!!sanitize them goddammit where is hitler ?!! Two sexes,two genders,heterosexuality only!! yeaah rulez111!!Seriously though Sanji499.
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Here I thought the omg Aids is the cancer of gaez ^W^ homophobe of the 80's had gone extinct, a creature that you know you read about in sociology books about the 80's but just..what.
Sadly, someone at my last job still thinks that AIDS is God's punishment for gays, and then she had the gall to say that she had gay friends, but that they were still 'sinning.'
And Sanji, what the hell is that hate crap?
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Gotta love the love the sinner hate the sin horseshit. I hate everything that makes you you, but somehow I still love you as long as I say I do, hope you understand while I denounce your way of life as vile and suppress your rights
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Oh look over there, it's my respect for sanji499 flying away… Mach 2... Mach 5...
Mine just folded space.
I hope this is all a misunderstand though as sanji's usually a decent poster.
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Well done new york!
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@Monkey:
Where the hell do you live? You're talking like the other side of gay marriage is some mysterious twilight zone of slippery slope horror. My state's had it for almost four to three years now, my whole region has had gay marriage all over the place for a year or two.
Nothing changes (except economic boost lol). You're a homophobic buffoon.Sorry to interrupt with off topic stuff, but just out of curiosity: how has the new legislation boosted your economy?
Also had to laugh at this
@Monkey:
Marriage, - - aka, the limiting of sexual partners to one steady companion
(…though seriously speaking, I agree with the very idea of the marriage and how it promotes safe sex just as described.)
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Sorry to interrupt with off topic stuff, but just out of curiosity: how has the new legislation boosted your economy?
Marriage licenses to be bought, venues and hotels to be booked, honeymoons, restaurants, bachelor parties, and retail outlets can see sale spikes rise due to the fact that an untapped population that didn't have marriage rights before can now spend money to get married. State brings it a lot more money. Economy boost.
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Marriage licenses to be bought, venues and hotels to be booked, honeymoons, restaurants, bachelor parties, and retail outlets can see sale spikes rise due to the fact that an untapped population that didn't have marriage rights before can now spend money to get married. State brings it a lot more money. Economy boost.
Holy crap I've forgotten all about that.
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At first I thought he was just trying to join in, but then I saw this.
Now instead of doing the route of 'oh that was a typo' or any of the other predictable routes, how about you just speak your mind and be honest with us instead of trying to use statistics in such a bizarre fashion to justify it all.
So then what is your view of morality on gay marriage and moreso as you are trying to separate intercourse?
To be perfectly honest
I am freaking glad it passed because I would not like my rights to be denied and these people did not commit any crimes at all. If that makes them so happy (just by watching the footages that's the case), I won't deny that.
I would be more than happy wrong about all my apocalpytic predictions nonsense turn wrong. I think I am just being too pessimistic about the future.As Zephos mentioned, safe sex is the best key for anybody.
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I would be more than happy wrong about all my apocalpytic predictions nonsense turn wrong. I think I am just being too pessimistic about the future.
As Zephos mentioned, safe sex is the best key for anybody.
Thanks for listening guys.
Peace.What are these predictions? Is this to do with aids spreading or god striking us down with his wrath? I can't begin to fathom what you mean as you haven't really elaborated.
Enlighten us.
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@Cuddles:
Holy crap I've forgotten all about that.
It would be awesome if the gays ultimately helped CA get back on its feet. It would pretty much kill any influence anti-gay bigots should have, especially since not even the influential rich and powerful would have a reason to balk if they could make an extra buck.Lol, yes that would be awesome! Though, I'd wager every gay couple in the state of California would have to get married and throw some crazy ass expensive wedding parties before a significant impact could be made in that screwed up budget.
I wouldn't be surprised if the economic factor in legalizing gay marriage has played at least a small role in the influence of some of these bills being passed anyway.
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What are these predictions? Is this to do with aids spreading or god striking us down with his wrath? I can't begin to fathom what you mean as you haven't really elaborated.
Enlighten us.
It was just the assumption about the aid spreading.
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Then what did you mean when you said "possible moral consequences"
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It was just the assumption about the aid spreading.
That is a major concern here in Europe too, but gay marriage will only improve contain the spread as it'll hopefully keep partners from being promiscuous. But this doesn't really matter as it is spread through all sexes regardless of their sexual orientation.
The only thing to stop this will be either a cure or better education.
And still I await your explanation of morality.
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Marriage licenses to be bought, venues and hotels to be booked, honeymoons, restaurants, bachelor parties, and retail outlets can see sale spikes rise due to the fact that an untapped population that didn't have marriage rights before can now spend money to get married. State brings it a lot more money. Economy boost.
Damn, you are right. I never considered wedding industry as a significant industry before (probably partly because wedding is usually not that huge and expensive event here compared to the US anyway and partly because I'm not into weddings myself), but come to think of it most people will spend a lot on their wedding.
(Still off topic, some news articles I found stated the new legislation generated a windfall worth $40 million in CT. Size of the whole industry in US according to Forbes Magazine seems to be about $50 billion (other articles I found say it's about $40, $60 or $70 billion) but it doesn't tell how much of it is pink money.)
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Some estimates suggest that about 10% of the population are gay, which is roughly 30 million people in the United States (by way of comparison, about the population of California or black people nationwide). If they fall into roughly the same age categories as the larger population, that means that around 20 million or so of them are old enough to get married.
Not all of them would run right out and do so just because they can, sure, but I'm betting that the gay population would have much higher marriage rates than average simply because of the mere fact that they now have the right to do so. It'd settle down after a while though, but simple economics means that discriminating against people because of sexual orientation is leaving a lot of money on the table.
Beyond that, there would also be less money wasted fighting these things out in court and on ballot initiatives and so on.
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That is a major concern here in Europe too, but gay marriage will only improve contain the spread as it'll hopefully keep partners from being promiscuous. But this doesn't really matter as it is spread through all sexes regardless of their sexual orientation.
The only thing to stop this will be either a cure or better education.
And still I await your explanation of morality.
I hope you're right.
Well the moral issue is that I am afraid homosexuals could see this as a greenlight for even more unsafe sex (maybe more std) because it will be morally accepted. Needless to say, straight people should practice less unsfafe sex because there are a lot of them. When I think about it, I don't I am rightful to tell other people who to love or not or what moral is because I don't know these people or what exactly they are feeling. As you said " gay marriage will only improve contain the spread as it'll hopefully keep partners from being promiscuous", your statement could be very true because I don't know how the gay community or how they think and will react to this. Life can have some good surprises.
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Gay marriage should be such a non-issue these days. I can't think of anything more harmless and firmly in the private sphere.
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Some estimates suggest that about 10% of the population are gay, which is roughly 30 million people in the United States (by way of comparison, about the population of California or black people nationwide). If they fall into roughly the same age categories as the larger population, that means that around 20 million or so of them are old enough to get married.
Not all of them would run right out and do so just because they can, sure, but I'm betting that the gay population would have much higher marriage rates than average simply because of the mere fact that they now have the right to do so. It'd settle down after a while though, but simple economics means that discriminating against people because of sexual orientation is leaving a lot of money on the table.
Beyond that, there would also be less money wasted fighting these things out in court and on ballot initiatives and so on.
Huh, I admit I never gave the economic implications much thought. AS for the commitedness level, well… Being married doesn't really affect that much. If a couple are comitted, they are, regardless of how many liscences and ceremonies they may or may not have to their names.
But Ubiq--you talk about the legal ramifications and the law in general a lot. Is it just an interest, or are you in lawschool or working in the industry? I'm just being a nosy Nellie--you can tell me to go soak my head I suppose if you'd rather not say...
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Needless to say, straight people should practice less unsfafe sex because there are a lot of them.
Yeah this population growth is a bitch.
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I hope you're right.
Well the moral issue is that I am afraid homosexuals could see this as a greenlight for even more unsafe sex (maybe more std) because it will be morally accepted.
I don't understand this logic. If people want sex they'll have it regardless of current public outlook on the subject.
Marriage will only lead to less partners/lovers and a decrease of risk as I stated above which leads me to believe this isn't your true reasoning behind it even if you won't voice that view honestly.
Needless to say, straight people should practice less unsfafe sex because there are a lot of them.
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When I think about it, I don't I am rightful to tell other people who to love or not or what moral is because I don't know these people or what exactly they are feeling. As you said " gay marriage will only improve contain the spread as it'll hopefully keep partners from being promiscuous", your statement could be very true because I don't know how the gay community or how they think and will react to this. Life can have some good surprises.
Gay people are still people… and think like you and I... and act like you and I. The only difference is sex of partner, nothing else. Just stop treating them as if they are a complete different species/race.
I would honestly just stop posting on this subject and go read/learn about this subject as a whole instead putting it on a petri dish and looking at it through a microscope.
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Buju Banton sentenced to 10 years in prison
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13893174
Too bad Buju, you can't walk like a champion no more.
Let's take a moment to listen to a song often blasted on my family's stereo system when I was a kid.
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Sorry to interrupt with off topic stuff, but just out of curiosity: how has the new legislation boosted your economy?
I don't the specifics, but it has statewide proved an effect, same with the other states.
The most remarkable thing is that there's really nothing remarkable. It's completely unoticeable. It cracks me up, these doomsday nailbiting goofuses thinking something drastic happens when you do this.
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It was just the assumption about the aid spreading.
1. You're basically saying gay marriage equals more gays…which is ludicrous.
2. Gee....maybe the rampant aids in gay populations has something to do with their sexuality being forced underground and into unhealthy trends that wouldn't be an issue if they were allowed to fuck and court like normal people?
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