Why don't you read some Tezuka stuff and tell us what you think? I say Black Jack and Phoenix, which was his life's work.
english scans are available for this somewhere?:ninja:
Why don't you read some Tezuka stuff and tell us what you think? I say Black Jack and Phoenix, which was his life's work.
english scans are available for this somewhere?:ninja:
@Cuddles:
but how much of his work is 'entertaining?
Like
A huge chunk of it.
The prime stuff available in english would be Ayako, Apollo's Song, Ode to Kirihito, MW, and then check out some episodic works like Black Jack too. Vertigo is releasing his best slowly and steadily.
If you ever want to have your standards skyrocket, read Phoenix when you're damn well ready.
Or if you just want to be hit all at once, just read Phoenix period and by the time you get to Phoenix: Future (volume 2, I think), you'll be too busy trying to digest everything you've read to even question whether, or not, you were just simply ~entertained~. In fact, when I was a kid, Phoenix: Future was actually one of the very first things I had read that just left me thinking and thinking, in a somewhat disturbed light. It's an incredibly doozy of a work, the climax just being dense as hell in too many emotions. Prior to it I had read Apollo's Song (my first Tezuka work) and not even that could have prepared my young, young self for how hard I was going to be hit.
And Future is not even the best part of Phoenix (I hold that Karma is). For the record, if you do read all of Phoenix in a row, get ready to just… sit around for a day and think. It'll drain the hell out of you.
Phoenix is terrifying. There are only three graphic novels sthat I would use the word "terrifying" to describe: Nausicaa, Watchmen, and Phoenix.
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Phoenix vs Nausicaa:
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The same path that has been trod over and over again.
Tezuka is slave to story.
Miyazaki is slave to depiction.
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I'd love to read Phoenix sometime, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
However, lately they have been starting to translate and publish Tezuka's works in Dutch, and I've read all of those. So far they got Buddha, Ode to Kirihito and MW. I loved all of those and hope they'll get to his other works.
@Mrs.:
I'd love to read Phoenix sometime, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
However, lately they have been starting to translate and publish Tezuka's works in Dutch, and I've read all of those. So far they got Buddha, Ode to Kirihito and MW. I loved all of those and hope they'll get to his other works.
i am really temped to buy the buddha one . should be interesting and loved the art when i quickly looked at it
@metteminne:
i am really temped to buy the buddha one . should be interesting and loved the art when i quickly looked at it
I'm tempted to buy them all :D Luckily I got to read them all for free, my library has them.
I do recommend the Buddha series. It's very interesting if you're into buddhism, you learn a lot about the origin and the philosophy, but even if you're not it's still great. The art is beautiful, at times simple like Oda's but some panels are just mindblowing. And they're great to read, the story never gets boring, there's lots of humor and suspense.
Why don't you read some Tezuka stuff and tell us what you think? I say Black Jack and Phoenix, which was his life's work.
Also, if you can find it, try Swallow the Earth.
One of the more…disturbing of Tezuka's works.
Same here, are there any sites that scanlate Phoenix, because I would really like to know? Thanks.
I consider Takehiko Inoue to be one of the greatest with Slam Dunk
! Starting a manga about basket ball with a hooligan getting rejected for the 50th consecutive time was the most awesome entrance ever.
Writes down Phoenix, Black Jack, Astro Boy and Swallow the Earth on an IRL list
I consider Takehiko Inoue to be one of the greatest with Slam Dunk
! Starting a manga about basket ball with a hooligan getting rejected for the 50th consecutive time was the most awesome entrance ever.
As far as I know, his other major series Vagabond is even better, being on par with Berserk and One Piece.
Don't count out REAL.
I haven't read that many mangas so I'm gonna ask those who have. Was there an author who created a satisfying yet impressive ending to their own manga series?
Don't count out REAL.
Yeah there's that too. I've heard it's actually better than Slam Dunk from a few people.
It is .
@Kareem:
Same here, are there any sites that scanlate Phoenix, because I would really like to know? Thanks.
http://kickthekitty.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/random-scans-phoenix-v2/
Unfortunately, they haven't released all volumes. There isn't the first volume, but that's not a big deal since the stories are independent. If you understand French, I can link another site where you can find all volumes.
http://kickthekitty.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/random-scans-phoenix-v2/
Unfortunately, they haven't released all volumes. There isn't the first volume, but that's not a big deal since the stories are independent. If you understand French, I can link another site where you can find all volumes.
Thanks man, and I love the new signature.
During the last 2 decades…5 people deserve through their works the title of "god of manga"..
Those are...
Kentaro Miura for running Berserk for 17 years (despite its' latest slow pace its still a masterpiece)
Eiichiro Oda for One Piece.
Yoshihiro Togashi for 3 superb series ( Yu Yu Hakusho - opened the door for new generation shonen series, Level E - Great Comedy, Hunter x Hunter - awesome work also)
Takehiko Innoue ( for introducing basketball to Japan and creating 3 amazing manga)
Naoki Urasawa ( The best seinen author with 4 great works)
Naoki Urasawa ( The best seinen author with 4 great works)
Four? Only four? He's got way more than 4 great works.
Are you not counting either Yawara or Master Keaton, two of his most successful manga? Or Happy?
During the last 2 decades…5 people deserve through their works the title of "god of manga"..
Those are...Kentaro Miura for running Berserk for 17 years (despite its' latest slow pace its still a masterpiece)
Eiichiro Oda for One Piece.
Yoshihiro Togashi for 3 superb series ( Yu Yu Hakusho - opened the door for new generation shonen series, Level E - Great Comedy, Hunter x Hunter - awesome work also)
Takehiko Innoue ( for introducing basketball to Japan and creating 3 amazing manga)
Naoki Urasawa ( The best seinen author with 4 great works)
I agree with you that those are easily 5 of the most notable mangaka of the past 20 years, but none of them are on Tezuka's level. Just look at Silence's post for God's sake! I should really read more of Inoue and Urasawa, I've been seriously neglecting them, and I wish to correct that. My respect for you has gone up now that I've seen this post of yours.
Sooo… question.
The reason I've been putting off a lot of the works by Tezuka, etc. is because I worry that it will pop my manga cherry.
Will I still be able to enjoy things like One Piece to the extent I do now? One Piece is literally one of my favorite... "things" right now. Not series, manga, anime, show, etc., but one of my favorite things that exists.
For example, when I hadn't read about it on the Internet, Bleach was the anime that reintroduced me to anime after forgetting about it for several years, and I enjoyed it blissfully through Hueco Mundo, starting to realize its shittiness around the Nnoitra part (and that was before I visited the forums!). I said to myself, "This is awesome! I doubt there's much else out there like this show" but, lo and behold, at least a thousand other manga are better than it.
After I started visiting the Internet, I suddenly became a critic of things. Anime, TV shows, manga, etc. It's the Internet that caused me to look deeper into these things. I thought that I couldn't enjoy things anymore without dissecting them to pieces. And I did that, to quite a few series. Then One Piece came along and changed everything. Like Bleach was cool to me back when I was new to anime/manga, One Piece was amazing to me as a critic and still is just as amazing. I couldn't even dissect it. It was way over my head when I watched/read One Piece, I had never seen anything of that quality before.
So, would reading the classic stuff like Nausicca, Phoenix etc. 'up my level' again? Would I be able to enjoy One Piece? What about lower things, like shows that are just for fun (currently airing anime things that I don't take seriously like To Aru Majutsu no Index)?
Does reading Shakespeare ruin your enjoyment of modern novels?
If the answer is no, then your answer is no.
Four? Only four? He's got way more than 4 great works.
Are you not counting either Yawara or Master Keaton, two of his most successful manga? Or Happy?
Well I am talking about the popular ones..
20th Century Boys, Pluto, Monster and Billy Bat.
Well I am talking about the popular ones..
20th Century Boys, Pluto, Monster and Billy Bat.
Ahahahaha, no you're not. You're just simply wrong.
You're talking about "manga that's known in the western anime otaku". You're simply picking titles YOU know, not what's "popular".
YAWARA!! is one of, if not the, most successful Urasawa works EVER. So is Master Keaton.
You can ask any Japanese about Urasawa Naoki and the first title they will come up is most likely one of those two, or 20CB.
Sorry bub, the fact that you aren't aware of just how commercially successful Yawara! was, is an indicator that you don't know what you're talking about.
I mean, seriously. Do you have any idea how popular that title was?
EVERY. MANGA. READER. That grew up in the 80s-90s know the name Yawara. She was our idol.
It was the biggest success of ANY fiction Judo has ever seen, extremely popular TV series, and started a huge Judo fad.
I lived the era, buddy.
Yawara!!, Happy, and Master Keaton, are all far, far, FAR more popular and widely known than Billy Bat.
Hell I would say even Pineapple Army is more well known than BB.
Sorry for the harsh post, but I can't stand misinformation like this.
I cant disagree..I am just not informed enough.
That was pretty unnecessarily snobby, Aohige. Like, completely uncalled for. :P
Has anybody mentioned the awesomeness that is Mizuki yet? The great mangaka who literally believes youkai are still around.
That was pretty unnecessarily snobby, Aohige. Like, completely uncalled for. :P
Yeah, I realize that, but it was about as absurd as not including Star Wars when talking about popular Lucas films.
Also, everyone should read at least Master Keaton if talking about Urasawa works, IMO.
But it wasn't completely uncalled for.
Someone argues back with an uneducated response, the answer you get may be a bit snobby. :P
Especially if the argument was so wrong, and could have been easily avoided if he took mere 30 seconds of research.
Has anybody mentioned the awesomeness that is Mizuki yet? The great mangaka who literally believes youkai are still around.
Shigeru Mizuki is an expert in a single field, and while he is peerless in it, it's kinda hard to include someone who only specializes in one field, when there are all-rounder peers like Yokoyama and Tezuka.
That was pretty unnecessarily snobby, Aohige. Like, completely uncalled for. :P
I can't help but understand him though.
I mean even I get bored of how English never know Yawara exists so
I'm behind Aohige
Urasawa snob it up SNOB IT UUUUUP
(also things like the big authorship issues with Master Keaton are a frustrating deal for a reason. Shit was a big deal)
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you don't have to snob it up u_u
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but you totally can
^ I know, I'm guilty.
But in his defense, he DID bring up Urasawa, and I agree with him wholly that he is one of the BEST manga authors currently in the field, hands down.
I think I've mentioned it before on AP, but I hold that Monster is basically an achievement of a nigh flawless thriller. Because of Urasawa's sort of… deperature of style that took place after it (and in all subsequent works of his that followed in its foosteps), I feel like I can't enjoy his work as much anymore though. 20th Century Boys's first half is still A+, but Pluto I found underwhelming and deja-vu-y, as well as a bit of a disservice to Atom (not in some fanwank "pure" sense, but like he couldn't quite grasp Atom and it had inherent flaws) and after that I kind of lost interest in him as an author. Also I know there are people here who really love it, but I honestly thought Billy Bat was a parody of himself at first and spent three chapters thinking it was a comedy and finding it really funny, before I was told otherwise where I... kind of stopped reading it.
My bad.
But all in all the guy earned his seat as a big name. He could've stopped after his Yawara work, or his collab with Keaton and I'd have considered him a spectacular author.
Who's to say Billy Bat isn't a parody of himself?
Yawara! Fashionable Judo Girl is awesome.
And Togashi is cool, but in no way does his lazy random series ending, frequent hiatus scribbling ass deserve to be considered in the top 5 of the last two decades. YuYuHakusho wasn't THAT good, (nor did it actually run all that long) and HiatusxHiatus is just killed by the regular Hunters it goes on and lousy work ethic.
Yeah, I realize that, but it was about as absurd as not including Star Wars when talking about popular Lucas films.
The guy who did American Grafitti? I thought we all agreed to just pretend Howard the Duck never happened.
YuYuHakusho wasn't THAT good, (nor did it actually run all that long
Its one of the most overrated series of them all, I think people who regard it so highly is because what I call 'Toonami nostalgia'.
Why DID YYH end so abruptly anyway?
Its one of the most overrated series of them all, I think people who regard it so highly is because what I call 'Toonami nostalgia'.
I wouldn't say it's just 'Toonami nostalgia' i watched it for the first time a few months ago without any real prior knowledge or memory of the series and i loved it. I even bought the entire dvd set a month ago and rewatched it.
It is a solid series that stands up against time. It may not have had the best story, but the characters and fights are what i think every shounen should at least aspire to be like.
Why DID YYH end so abruptly anyway?
The story generally goes Togashi was fed up with his editor.
But given his yearlong breaks on HxH, he may have just decided that "manga is hard, I want to play video games."
How about all the greats of gekiga? Like Tatsumi Yoshihiro
I wouldn't say it's just 'Toonami nostalgia' i watched it for the first time a few months ago without any real prior knowledge or memory of the series and i loved it. I even bought the entire dvd set a month ago and rewatched it.
It is a solid series that stands up against time. It may not have had the best story, but the characters and fights are what i think every shounen should at least aspire to be like.
Heh, well I wouldn't say that I felt it was mostly average, generic shonen. But everyone has their own views I guess. I think he had a few orginal ideas that I think he couldn't have the chance to flesh out very much. I've heard in Hunter X Hunter allowed him to explore those ideas
better. Couldn't stand Hiei. DB is better IMO, but I'd say it had its charms.
How about all the greats of gekiga? Like Tatsumi Yoshihiro
sorry did you mean MASAMI FUKUSHIMA????
??!??!?!?!?!
@RobbyBevard:
Yawara! Fashionable Judo Girl is awesome.
And Togashi is cool, but in no way does his lazy random series ending, frequent hiatus scribbling ass deserve to be considered in the top 5 of the last two decades. YuYuHakusho wasn't THAT good, (nor did it actually run all that long) and HiatusxHiatus is just killed by the regular Hunters it goes on and lousy work ethic.
Well if you recommend Yawara, then I'll look into it (although when I get into Urasawa I would much prefer to read Monster but regardless).
I think Togashi would be top five worthy if Hunter x Hunter had a much more consistent schedule. That series is brilliant (now that I'm at chapter 236 I'm starting to buy the hype). But because Togashi is a lazy ass you're right that he isn't top 5 worthy.
And on YYH, I agree it's not a masterpiece by any means, but I would say it's at least above average. One of the best things about it is Yusuke. For once our protagonist isn't some happy-go-lucky kid, he's an honest to god pain in the ass. Not that there's anything wrong with a typical Shonen protagonist but I'm glad we had something outside of the norm. I even think that Yusuke is a better protagonist than Gon (Hunter x Hunter beats YYH at everything else though).
@Holy:
sorry did you mean MASAMI FUKUSHIMA????
??!??!?!?!?!
Whozzat?__________
@Kareem:
Well if you recommend Yawara, then I'll look into it (although when I get into Urasawa I would much prefer to read Monster but regardless).
I don't reccommend it as a "go out of your way to find it" sort of thing. I saw it lumped together with a whole mess of other series and enjoyed it, and it was an 80's staple. I enjoyed Kodoma No Omocha more… until I read the manga.
I think Togashi would be top five worthy if Hunter x Hunter had a much more consistent schedule. That series is brilliant (now that I'm at chapter 236 I'm starting to buy the hype). But because Togashi is a lazy ass you're right that he isn't top 5 worthy.
Yes, if he still produced regularly he'd be worth talking about. But 10 chapters a year, (sometimes less!) that AREN'T Berserk quality art, knocks him right off as a contender.
We need to put Togashi in a giant Skinner box, and the higher the ratings his chapters get the more square meals he gets to eat.
Togashi does not consume food. He survives only on Dragon Quest.
We need to put Togashi in a giant Skinner box, and the higher the ratings his chapters get the more square meals he gets to eat.
That sir, is a brilliant idea. Sure it's inhumane to both Togashi and his family, but I want to see Kurapika and Leorio again DAMMIT! (seriously it's been nearly 200 chapters, I think that's my biggest problem with the series, even more than the lacklustre art).
Edit: Great one, Jay.