Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

Oh god…

Get my facts straight?

Fine, PLOT didn't tell Luffy to go and find a CREW because he promised SHANKS that he would have a better CREW than his in the future... Nope.

Plot didn't tell Luffy that Zoro was a person that was a good guy and whatever, nope… Zoro joined for the love he holds towards LUFFY so much.

Nami didn't join JUST because she said she could navigate, there was never a MESSAGE from PLOT suggesting that we SHOULD expect a navigator…

Usopp's a punk, so skip him... Cause PLOT just let him join on account of HIM having a connection to Luffy's idol, but PLOT doesn't matter, right?

Sanji didn't join because he was a COOK, it CAN'T BE THAT... CAUSE that's what PLOT said.

Plot also made Chopper join and Vivi NOT join as well as making Robin join.

Plot didn't matter in all those situations... Never should have..?

Franky didn't make them a ship cause if he did, then that would be on account of PLOT and that ship wouldn't have been the reason he joined cause that would be PLOT as well.

Now, BROOK didn't need to go into details and have an immerse back story focusing on Laboon cause that would be PLOT... He could have been a random nobody for all we cared, cause PLOT didn't matter...

And, lastly, every other character that didn't join shouldn't have mattered since PLOT wasn't important...

Do you want me to call you stupid and such? PLOT is what forces every character to join, and SINCE Hancock has none at the moment, she shouldn't join.

Zoro never helped Luffy at all... Why'd he join?

If you rate on what characters do, then you're mistaken... That stuff doesn't matter at all. A character that has helped Luffy ZERO times can join, simple as that.

Reason is because they are needed by the PLOT for Luffy to progress.

Well, then please reread the source I offered, it is CLEARLY shown that Oda ain't doing that, he says so himself... Otherwise, you can keep on keeping on with this "Boa THAT" and "Boa THIS" nonsense. With her being in love as a dream, that's what forces her to never join.

Yeah, when I asked Perona, she picked Zorocy ahead of me... All cause Zoro said, "I can be your Kumacy!!" and I was discarded without even a chance...

I know, in all seriousness, I was merely basing it off of Oda's words.

I don't. LS is a BS figment of her imagination and doesn't even do anything...

I see her going back to her island and learning how to be a proper empress without the emo BS...

The biggest con is her motive to join, that some assume... LOVE is that assumed MOTIVE.

I wouldn't want that Hancock thing... It'd be a pain if she joins because she could and should have saved Ace back in ID if she was willing to go that far...

But it won't happen and her conclusion is focused on her island... Not some selfish Shoujo thing...

U dont even know what the PLOTS ARE, The PLOTS ARE that, Luffy SAVED them all. THATS why they JOIN HIM. IF HE DIDNT SAVE NAMI, THAN NAMI WOULDNT JOIN. EVERY time he SAVED the crewmember in ORDER to JOIN.

SO it's Possible that LUFFY saved the Villagers from the thruth of the GORGON EYE on SANDERSONIA's BACK… YES PLOT.

DID BOA SAVE ACE ... YES PLOT PLOT PLOT.

BOA is the main CHAR in this ARC. If it wasnt for her. Luffy would have DIED sooo many times. so her PLOT.... is to save luffy AND her PLOT..... is to ALSO save his NAMAKA AAAND her PLOT...... is to TEACH THE CREW HAKI. Thats 3 Plots she has. COz if u count her out as plausable to join. Than u also must count out all the other crewmembers of luffy.

ANd here is a PLOT for u: JUST BACAuse YOU dont like her, Doesnt mean YOU ARE RIGHT.

[Ivotas]

Well it appears that Jinbei does have a signature personality trait after all with his giving up on his life talk. Surely we can't hear that one often enough. :getlost:

[AGOG]

@Vaayu:

<evil>Maybe his size problems are solved?! </evil>

Yes, he might have burned a lot of fat with that… Looks like Jinbei now SHOULD be able to make it through with a severe case of burning...

@TheSJKarma:

How would Perona know about the New World? Hasn't she been on Thriller Bark all this time? She also doesn't really seem like the type that is curious or cares for adventure.

Alright, this is basically assumption after assumption…

Thriller Bark is FROM West Blue. Perona and Moria and Absolam in Hogback's flashback were seen on a ship.

West Blue is below the NW, so they would either have to take Reverse Mountain or the Fishman Islands to get back to the Florian Triangle.

Reverse Mountain is too small for TB to get through, therefore, it has to be FI.

In order to cross it, you'd have to coat the ship, therefore, they'd have to coat it in the NW...

This says she could very well have been in the NW.

Furthermore, her origin that she came from isn't known, however, Kaidou defeated Moria in the NW and then after that Abalom and Perona were by his side... She could be a native of the NW.

I really don't see the correlation of Zoro landing there and the possibility of her joining. She has nothing to bring to the crew what so ever, and I personally would hate if she joined. I would also rather hope that we had a character who was closer to Zoro's and Sanji's strength rather than Usopp's and Nami's.

If she is the one to assist him, then chances will be that more than likely she'll help him out and then stick with them for the next few islands… During this time, she could gain a story about her past and name her dream... Making her be able to be a FULL crew member.
@TheSJKarma:

…In the flashback she is like 5 years old...I'm guessing she didn't know much about the New World at that age. Not to mention she is incredibly stupid from what we have seen of her, so I'm fairly certain she isn't going to be a New World expert.

She's not stupid, in fact, she's well-informed but very naive during peril.

She still has a chance of knowing about the NW, and that chance would be similar to how Vivi was very young and a bad guide around the first half GL…

Not to mention I don't see how it's logical that Moria would recruit in the New World…it is more logical to me that he would retreat to the grand line to regain his forces until he could show his face again in the New World.

He was badly injured, so he could have been saved by her or Absolam… It's basically unknown upon Kaidou and would need to be explained from some character; Perona could do it well.
@OneManCollectiblez:

U dont even know what the PLOTS ARE, The PLOTS ARE that, Luffy SAVED them all. THATS why they JOIN HIM. IF HE DIDNT SAVE NAMI, THAN NAMI WOULDNT JOIN. EVERY time he SAVED the crewmember in ORDER to JOIN.

Ummm… No.

They didn't ask to be saved and they didn't need his help. PLOT is always about Luffy trying to be the Pirate King.

Sanji didn't have to join at all... Nami didn't either, she also didn't have to help Luffy out after Port Orange.

SO it's Possible that LUFFY saved the Villagers from the thruth of the GORGON EYE on SANDERSONIA's BACK… YES PLOT.

DID BOA SAVE ACE ... YES PLOT PLOT PLOT.

Ummm, what?

Plot is Luffy following his dream, not saving the world… He doesn't care about that, and he clearly says so many times.

He just follows his own dream and does minor things to benefit his dream.

That's the plot.

BOA is the main CHAR in this ARC. If it wasnt for her. Luffy would have DIED sooo many times. so her PLOT…. is to save luffy AND her PLOT..... is to ALSO save his NAMAKA AAAND her PLOT...... is to TEACH THE CREW HAKI. Thats 3 Plots she has. COz if u count her out as plausable to join. Than u also must count out all the other crewmembers of luffy.

Please do elaborate, I fail to understand what on earth you are trying to get at…

Boa Hancock can't provide anything for the future, she has nothing that will further Luffy's dream.

ANd here is a PLOT for u: JUST BACAuse YOU dont like her, Doesnt mean YOU ARE RIGHT.

Well, prove me wrong.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

Ummm… No.

They didn't ask to be saved and they didn't need his help. PLOT is always about Luffy trying to be the Pirate King.

Well thats fun, Coz if Luffy didnt save all of the crew members referring to ALL his Nakama, They wouldnt have joined. And therefor he couldnt acomplish his dream.

In order to acomplish ´´luffy´s plot´´ he need strong people, Wich refers to Boa.

@AGOG:

Sanji didn't have to join at all… Nami didn't either, she also didn't have to help Luffy out after Port Orange.

SO How the hell did they join the crew than?…..And sanji DID join, So that means Boa can join....

@AGOG:

Plot is Luffy following his dream, not saving the world… He doesn't care about that, and he clearly says so many times.

He just follows his own dream and does minor things to benefit his dream.

That's the plot.

Yes but for that he need Nakama's Therefore This thread about luffy's next crew member. I i am guessing again Boa <–- she is strong.

@AGOG:

Boa Hancock can't provide anything for the future, she has nothing that will further Luffy's dream.

Well, prove me wrong.

I will,
Boa cant Provide anything for luffy?. What the hell xD, i am guessing u dont even watch OP coz she provide luffy help, AND HELP is needed for luffy to acomplish his PLOT.
eehm Maybe she could teach the crew HAKI??. Maybe she can help the crew out in al kind of ways?. Plus she got a destincive personality witch makes for a lot of fun.

And as i said again, Boa plays a vital role in this arc, u cant denie that.

But since the only ding u do is talking about plots this and plots that.

Who do u think is going to join, Or do u think no1 is going to join, coz then ure in for a BIIIIIIGGGGG dissapointment.

I like Boa, and manny more does, and many more think she got the right thing to join the SH. ''All u keep doing is denieing all the little facts. ''she will die if she doesnt go with luffy'' <–---- what do u have to say about that.

As u seen the NW pirates are hella tough, At this Moment he will NEED boa to acomplish his plot, NO1 else fit the spot at this moment to do that. U, dont even have ure own opinion about who the next crewmember is going to be, so how can u brag about other ppls opinions?.

I see now u like Perona to join, But that is not going too happen Because she got No Pl0t to the ship AND Pl0t to Luffy what so ever. so in all the ways, Boa > perona

[TheSJKarma]

@AGOG:

Yes, he might have burned a lot of fat with that… Looks like Jinbei now SHOULD be able to make it through with a severe case of burning...

Alright, this is basically assumption after assumption...

Thriller Bark is FROM West Blue. Perona and Moria and Absolam in Hogback's flashback were seen on a ship.

West Blue is below the NW, so they would either have to take Reverse Mountain or the Fishman Islands to get back to the Florian Triangle.

Reverse Mountain is too small for TB to get through, therefore, it has to be FI.

In order to cross it, you'd have to coat the ship, therefore, they'd have to coat it in the NW...

This says she could very well have been in the NW.

Furthermore, her origin that she came from isn't known, however, Kaidou defeated Moria in the NW and then after that Abalom and Perona were by his side... She could be a native of the NW.

If she is the one to assist him, then chances will be that more than likely she'll help him out and then stick with them for the next few islands... During this time, she could gain a story about her past and name her dream... Making her be able to be a FULL crew member.

She's not stupid, in fact, she's well-informed but very naive during peril.

She still has a chance of knowing about the NW, and that chance would be similar to how Vivi was very young and a bad guide around the first half GL...

He was badly injured, so he could have been saved by her or Absolam... It's basically unknown upon Kaidou and would need to be explained from some character; Perona could do it well.

Ummm... No.

They didn't ask to be saved and they didn't need his help. PLOT is always about Luffy trying to be the Pirate King.

Sanji didn't have to join at all... Nami didn't either, she also didn't have to help Luffy out after Port Orange.

Ummm, what?

Plot is Luffy following his dream, not saving the world... He doesn't care about that, and he clearly says so many times.

He just follows his own dream and does minor things to benefit his dream.

That's the plot.

Please do elaborate, I fail to understand what on earth you are trying to get at...

Boa Hancock can't provide anything for the future, she has nothing that will further Luffy's dream.

Well, prove me wrong.

Haha you defeat me…I just don't want Perona on the ship because I don't like her to be honest. :ninja: (Don't tell anyone I said this)

[loledinmypants]

I see this thread is still following the format of: AGOG writes an essay with his head up Perona's ass, someone replies logically, AGOG says their wrong and grasps at really bad points to make another essay. Congrats to everyone for not learning to ignore AGOG's essays and let him believe his misguided opinions matter.
I liked the page or so break we got of people seriously talking about the next crewmate and not arguing with the brainless brick wall that is AGOG. I mean, sure, things are scarce as far as discussion material on this goes since imo this arc will not include any recruiting, but do we have to encourage people to write essays that make the page needlessly long (doesn't help that we have people quoting said essays and doubling the effect)?

[Cobalt Water]

This is most likely a terrible speculation, nor do I wish for Perona to join. But since she helped Zoro I can see Luffy saying this.. (Bash this all you like this is just what I think "could happen" though I hope it doesn't)
Luffy:"WHAT?! Perona helped you back and she patched you up? Wasn't she the one trying to capture us for that Fat shallot!?
Well… if Zoro say's she isn't that bad... And she helped zoro back/tended to his wounds.. She can Join our crew! I always wanted a pet ghost anyways!!"

For the boa disscussion I will simply put this down...
She won't join cause now she has to go back to AL warn everyone about what she did dring the war with WB and probably flee or just stay and go against the WG.

For Jinbei.. I dunno he could be the successor of the WB pirates (Yeah right) or he could just go around the world or something i dunno but I just don't see Jinbei joining the crew i'd rather see some other fishman from Fishman island join..

[loledinmypants]

@Ivotas:

Well it appears that Jinbei does have a signature personality trait after all with his giving up on his life talk. Surely we can't hear that one often enough. :getlost:

If he joined the crew, he and Brook could make skull jokes together… it'd be wub :wub:.But srsly, this is a pretty good point against him being a SH. I get that risking your life as a pirate is all good in this manga, but you don't have to make everything you do into your suicide charge :getlost: And Luffy would prolly have to smack Jinbei at some point and give him a "your life is worth more than that, don't keep saying you're throwing it away" speech.

[Retardia]

Can we got a simple and short explaination that more strikingly make sense than long and boring essay.?

Still Hancock and/or Jimbei FTW.!

[Kishido]

Well but maybe.

the woman, which shows Brook her panties will join after brining him back to his crew
or the bird of chopper
or Hercules of usopp
or that old man of Nami
or that Okama in Sanji's cover story
or a revolutionary of Robin's side story
or mecha wolf who was after Franky
or Perona who is with Zoro

But btw it would be strange if the SH besides Zoro, who needs help from Perona, come all the way back on their own… They have to sail the grandline

[OneManCollectiblez]

@KiShiDo:

Well but maybe.

the woman, which shows Brook her panties will join after brining him back to his crew
or the bird of chopper
or Hercules of usopp
or that old man of Nami
or that Okama in Sanji's cover story
or a revolutionary of Robin's side story
or mecha wolf who was after Franky
or Perona who is with Zoro

But btw it would be strange if the SH besides Zoro, who needs help from Perona, come all the way back on their own… They have to sail the grandline

But it would make them Hella stronger:P

[Retardia]

@KiShiDo:

Well but maybe.

But btw it would be strange if the SH besides Zoro, who needs help from Perona, come all the way back on their own… They have to sail the grandline

If i not forget.
They still inside GL. Except Chopper and Robin.
Maybe Chopper will get help from those bird. He can talk to animals right.?
And maybe Robin will get help from Rev. Army.

[tigerlilly]

@KiShiDo:

mecha wolf

[Zik]

@KiShiDo:

But btw it would be strange if the SH besides Zoro, who needs help from Perona, come all the way back on their own… They have to sail the grandline

Shortcut so to speak. They have vivrecards that are most likely pointing to Rayleigh on SA at all times. They just need a ship.

If not that they need a eternal pose that pointing to Gyojin island and then SA isn't that far away.

I say it takes a couple weeks for all of the SHs to be reunited. I figure Oda is going to have a every 3 chaps a new SH shows up to save the day type of thing with a couple of them bringing someone along.

I was thinking it'd be funny if all of the SHs bring someone with them those ppl would meet and form there own crew. Just to shut down all this _____ is going to bring ______ and they'll join.

[AGOG]

Cause brennin told me to do this… Find it on here...

! @OneManCollectiblez:
! > Well thats fun, Coz if Luffy didnt save all of the crew members referring to ALL his Nakama, They wouldnt have joined. And therefor he couldnt acomplish his dream.
! That's not true, his dream doesn't depend on any character aside from Nami and Robin, more so… He doesn't really need Chopper since he could have waited for Nami to recover on Drum and headed off, but PLOT forced him to head faster towards Alabasta.
! He didn't need Franky to come, just his ship and stuff... Franky could have stayed and Luffy could have gotten a new shipwright in the future...
! He never needed Usopp at all...
! He doesn't need Zoro either.
! Nor Sanji.
! Nor anyone else, except Nami and PROBABLY Robin, according to Plot.
! > In order to acomplish ´´luffy´s plot´´ he need strong people, Wich refers to Boa.
! No, he doesn't need strong PEOPLE, officially, he wouldn't need anyone but Robin and Nami to have a chance at PK…
! HE COULD have a better crew than Shanks if he only had those two folks and then they were the PK crew... HE'D be better than Shanks because he would be the PK...
! It doesn't state that it has to be a head to head battle of crews, since there's possibilities that BB will kill Shanks. We just know that the CREW has to be better than Shanks, and that can be by means of Luffy beating Shanks towards PK and then he'd have a better crew, or he would beat someone that beat him with his crew... I.e. BB in the future.
! Boa Hancock isn't needed at all.
! > SO How the hell did they join the crew than?…..And sanji DID join, So that means Boa can join....
! They joined by random reasons, basically they just "decided to board" for the idea that they can further their own goal with the company of others rather than themselves.
! Boa DOESN'T need to join at all, and she's got no reason to join.
! > Yes but for that he need Nakama's Therefore This thread about luffy's next crew member. I i am guessing again Boa <–- she is strong.
! He doesn't need her, she doesn't add any future role, position, talent, or anything that can help further his goal. Having a sex toy isn't his goal, nor is having that option a part of it… It's not needed to have her on the crew at all. She's not able to add anything.
! > I will,
Boa cant Provide anything for luffy?. What the hell xD, i am guessing u dont even watch OP coz she provide luffy help, AND HELP is needed for luffy to acomplish his PLOT.
eehm Maybe she could teach the crew HAKI??. Maybe she can help the crew out in al kind of ways?. Plus she got a destincive personality witch makes for a lot of fun.
! We don't care about that, Rayleigh is better than her… Why not add him, and he is better than her by a dozen times...
! However, the thing that matters is progress... We need crew members that can provide a means to head FORWARD in some way or form.
! Currently, forward is beyond FI, and as far as we know, Boa Hancock hasn't gone past that destination, so she adds nothing there...
! We know that FORWARD means helping Luffy move to the next island, and we've got no one doing that at the moment except two fishman and a merfolk... Pappaggu looks fishmany...
! We don't need her to join at all, cause Boa Hancock can't do ANYTHING after FI and she's not going to be helpful to continue heading towards the future.
! > And as i said again, Boa plays a vital role in this arc, u cant denie that.
! Her conclusion isn't to join, but to gain the support of her island and nation as a means of being able to show her tattoo to them and having them approve of her. She fears their rejection and if she basically joins, she'll never have that option in the future…
! She has no reason to join SH crew.
! > But since the only ding u do is talking about plots this and plots that.

Who do u think is going to join, Or do u think no1 is going to join, coz then ure in for a BIIIIIIGGGGG dissapointment.
! I do think that the chances are a future FISHMAN from FI will join the crew, one that isn't revealed yet…
! However, of the current revealed characters, Perona is someone that I will feel will play a part as a nakama at the most... She's probably going to travel with them for a short while.
! Other than her, I don't really expect any other revealed character joining...
! > I like Boa, and manny more does, and many more think she got the right thing to join the SH. ''All u keep doing is denieing all the little facts. ''she will die if she doesnt go with luffy'' <–---- what do u have to say about that.
! I have to say that it's false… She's not in danger of dying if she doesn't go with him, it's just exaggeration...
! > As u seen the NW pirates are hella tough, At this Moment he will NEED boa to acomplish his plot, NO1 else fit the spot at this moment to do that. U, dont even have ure own opinion about who the next crewmember is going to be, so how can u brag about other ppls opinions?.
! He doesn't need her… He needs to grow stronger on his own, not the use of recruiting strong characters... He is weaker than many and he wants to grow stronger and that's that.
! His crew needs to do the same, so having a stronger character join just to help them will lead to their death as Ace died this chapter... They need a stronger crew, not just a strong character.
! > I see now u like Perona to join, But that is not going too happen Because she got No Pl0t to the ship AND Pl0t to Luffy what so ever. so in all the ways, Boa > perona
! She can provide a means of helping Luffy head through the first few islands…
@TheSJKarma:
! > Haha you defeat me…I just don't want Perona on the ship because I don't like her to be honest. :ninja: (Don't tell anyone I said this)
! Yeah… I'm not agog for her, but I do think she's the highest of the revealed characters...
! I'd rather have Whitey Bay join.
@loledinmypants:
! > I see this thread is still following the format of: AGOG writes an essay with his head up Perona's ass, someone replies logically, AGOG says their wrong and grasps at really bad points to make another essay. Congrats to everyone for not learning to ignore AGOG's essays and let him believe his misguided opinions matter.
I liked the page or so break we got of people seriously talking about the next crewmate and not arguing with the brainless brick wall that is AGOG. I mean, sure, things are scarce as far as discussion material on this goes since imo this arc will not include any recruiting, but do we have to encourage people to write essays that make the page needlessly long (doesn't help that we have people quoting said essays and doubling the effect)?
! Hater…
@Cobalt:
! > This is most likely a terrible speculation, nor do I wish for Perona to join. But since she helped Zoro I can see Luffy saying this.. (Bash this all you like this is just what I think "could happen" though I hope it doesn't)
Luffy:"WHAT?! Perona helped you back and she patched you up? Wasn't she the one trying to capture us for that Fat shallot!?
Well… if Zoro say's she isn't that bad... And she helped zoro back/tended to his wounds.. She can Join our crew! I always wanted a pet ghost anyways!!"

For the boa disscussion I will simply put this down...
She won't join cause now she has to go back to AL warn everyone about what she did dring the war with WB and probably flee or just stay and go against the WG.

For Jinbei.. I dunno he could be the successor of the WB pirates (Yeah right) or he could just go around the world or something i dunno but I just don't see Jinbei joining the crew i'd rather see some other fishman from Fishman island join..
! I agree, but I think that Boa Hancock will be fine.
! I don't know about Jinbei… he might be BBQ...
! Perona can be or she cannot be... It is all about what Oda wants her for and if he wants to use her as an introduction to Kaidou...
@KiShiDo:
! > Well but maybe.

the woman, which shows Brook her panties will join after brining him back to his crew
or the bird of chopper
or Hercules of usopp
or that old man of Nami
or that Okama in Sanji's cover story
or a revolutionary of Robin's side story
or mecha wolf who was after Franky
or Perona who is with Zoro

But btw it would be strange if the SH besides Zoro, who needs help from Perona, come all the way back on their own… They have to sail the grandline
! I only think that Usopp and Chopper would need some help… Although, Chopper should just fly here with a bird... Usopp may have help though.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
! > Shortcut so to speak. They have vivrecards that are most likely pointing to Rayleigh on SA at all times. They just need a ship.

If not that they need a eternal pose that pointing to Gyojin island and then SA isn't that far away.

I say it takes a couple weeks for all of the SHs to be reunited. I figure Oda is going to have a every 3 chaps a new SH shows up to save the day type of thing with a couple of them bringing someone along.

I was thinking it'd be funny if all of the SHs bring someone with them those ppl would meet and form there own crew. Just to shut down all this _____ is going to bring ______ and they'll join.
! I think that they'll come back pretty quickly, but they'll be finding out that Luffy isn't up and moving and Ace is dead…

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

That's not true, his dream doesn't depend on any character aside from Nami and Robin, more so… He doesn't really need Chopper since he could have waited for Nami to recover on Drum and headed off, but PLOT forced him to head faster towards Alabasta.

He didn't need Franky to come, just his ship and stuff... Franky could have stayed and Luffy could have gotten a new shipwright in the future...

He never needed Usopp at all...

He doesn't need Zoro either.

Nor Sanji.

Nor anyone else, except Nami and PROBABLY Robin, according to Plot.

No, he doesn't need strong PEOPLE, officially, he wouldn't need anyone but Robin and Nami to have a chance at PK...

HE COULD have a better crew than Shanks if he only had those two folks and then they were the PK crew... HE'D be better than Shanks because he would be the PK...

It doesn't state that it has to be a head to head battle of crews, since there's possibilities that BB will kill Shanks. We just know that the CREW has to be better than Shanks, and that can be by means of Luffy beating Shanks towards PK and then he'd have a better crew, or he would beat someone that beat him with his crew... I.e. BB in the future.

Boa Hancock isn't needed at all.

They joined by random reasons, basically they just "decided to board" for the idea that they can further their own goal with the company of others rather than themselves.

Boa DOESN'T need to join at all, and she's got no reason to join.

He doesn't need her, she doesn't add any future role, position, talent, or anything that can help further his goal. Having a sex toy isn't his goal, nor is having that option a part of it... It's not needed to have her on the crew at all. She's not able to add anything.

We don't care about that, Rayleigh is better than her... Why not add him, and he is better than her by a dozen times...

However, the thing that matters is progress... We need crew members that can provide a means to head FORWARD in some way or form.

Currently, forward is beyond FI, and as far as we know, Boa Hancock hasn't gone past that destination, so she adds nothing there...

We know that FORWARD means helping Luffy move to the next island, and we've got no one doing that at the moment except two fishman and a merfolk... Pappaggu looks fishmany...

We don't need her to join at all, cause Boa Hancock can't do ANYTHING after FI and she's not going to be helpful to continue heading towards the future.

Her conclusion isn't to join, but to gain the support of her island and nation as a means of being able to show her tattoo to them and having them approve of her. She fears their rejection and if she basically joins, she'll never have that option in the future...

She has no reason to join SH crew.

I do think that the chances are a future FISHMAN from FI will join the crew, one that isn't revealed yet...

However, of the current revealed characters, Perona is someone that I will feel will play a part as a nakama at the most... She's probably going to travel with them for a short while.

Other than her, I don't really expect any other revealed character joining...

I have to say that it's false... She's not in danger of dying if she doesn't go with him, it's just exaggeration...

He doesn't need her... He needs to grow stronger on his own, not the use of recruiting strong characters... He is weaker than many and he wants to grow stronger and that's that.

His crew needs to do the same, so having a stronger character join just to help them will lead to their death as Ace died this chapter... They need a stronger crew, not just a strong character.

She can provide a means of helping Luffy head through the first few islands...

Yeah... I'm not agog for her, but I do think she's the highest of the revealed characters...

I'd rather have Whitey Bay join.

Hater...

I agree, but I think that Boa Hancock will be fine.

I don't know about Jinbei... he might be BBQ...

Perona can be or she cannot be... It is all about what Oda wants her for and if he wants to use her as an introduction to Kaidou...

I only think that Usopp and Chopper would need some help... Although, Chopper should just fly here with a bird... Usopp may have help though.

I think that they'll come back pretty quickly, but they'll be finding out that Luffy isn't up and moving and Ace is dead...

I am sorry, But now that u say all this stuff, if they did join for random Reasons BOA can also join for random reason, So why are u trying even to defend ure point?… coz its nothing but fakeness,. And man She does add Talent, for the future. If she hadnt any talent whe wouldnt be a shishibukai.
A strong crew EXISTS of strong characters...... And Perona is of Much less of use, She doesnt have the knolege about fights. Unless Boa i capable of controlling an entire COuntry. So what u just all said, Is TOTALLY Nothing. I suggest u go and watch onepiece again- And thats why u cant Winn this descusion. Infact U cant winn Anny discusion, See Poll..

AND TEH FKN REASON ARE U BLIND?? IS LOVE!!!, BECAUSE OF THAT SHE HELPED LUFFY, IF LOVE WASNT THERE SHE WOULDNT HELP AND LUFFY WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ACE EXOCUTION!!. SO WHAT URE TRYING TO DO IS CHANGE THE STPRY LINE!! -- REASON WHY I TYPE IN CAPITALS, BECAUSE ELSE U WILL READ OVER IT!.

SO i am saying this 309481328409 times now GO READ OP again,....

[AGOG]

@OneManCollectiblez:

I am sorry, But now that u say all this stuff, if they did join for random Reasons BOA can also join for random reason, So why are u trying even to defend ure point?… coz its nothing but fakeness,. And man She does add Talent, for the future. If she hadnt any talent whe wouldnt be a shishibukai.
A strong crew EXISTS of strong characters...... And Perona is of Much less of use, She doesnt have the knolege about fights. Unless Boa i capable of controlling an entire COuntry. So what u just all said, Is TOTALLY Nothing. I suggest u go and watch onepiece again- And thats why u cant Winn this descusion. Infact U cant winn Anny discusion, See Poll..

AND TEH FKN REASON ARE U BLIND?? IS LOVE!!!, BECAUSE OF THAT SHE HELPED LUFFY, IF LOVE WASNT THERE SHE WOULDNT HELP AND LUFFY WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ACE EXOCUTION!!. SO WHAT URE TRYING TO DO IS CHANGE THE STPRY LINE!! -- REASON WHY I TYPE IN CAPITALS, BECAUSE ELSE U WILL READ OVER IT!.

SO i am saying this 309481328409 times now GO READ OP again,....

I told you that LOVE isn't valid, I even showed you an interview of Oda's words against that being possible.

IF AND ONLY IF Boa Hancock has a reason to join outside of ROMANCE, she's not going to join.

By the way you posted, it is assured that you don't have anything outside of that.

Furthermore, we don't need someone to fight and stuff, we need someone to help Luffy move forward from one island to the other, and Boa Hancock isn't that someone.

Jinbei can be it, but Hancock isn't.

Perona can be it, but Hancock isn't.

Crocodile can be it, but HANCOCK isn't.

That's the importance of this stuff, we need someone to progress story at a considerable pace, not slow it down with romance and boring nonsense.

The poll isn't important… Ask Brennin if you want your name up there...

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

I told you that LOVE isn't valid, I even showed you an interview of Oda's words against that being possible.

IF AND ONLY IF Boa Hancock has a reason to join outside of ROMANCE, she's not going to join.

By the way you posted, it is assured that you don't have anything outside of that.

Furthermore, we don't need someone to fight and stuff, we need someone to help Luffy move forward from one island to the other, and Boa Hancock isn't that someone.

Jinbei can be it, but Hancock isn't.

Perona can be it, but Hancock isn't.

Crocodile can be it, but HANCOCK isn't.

That's the importance of this stuff, we need someone to progress story at a considerable pace, not slow it down with romance and boring nonsense.

The poll isn't important… Ask Brennin if you want your name up there...

Oda also stadt he would kill one piece characters, so that a fact. so all ure reasons are stll invalid…

Ure the one that has no reasons other than Plot, wich is not needed... coz saving ace is also not for the plot of luffy becomming PK.. sho why did he do that......

OP dont need fighters? hahahahahaha... now u really dont make ANY sence AT ALL.... I think uve been watching Pokemon instead of OP.. once again ReWatch OP....

and the 3 that u called is noncense, Luffy would gain anything from those 3... u just said perona can come for a few islands LOL...., Thats a @nd vivi And i DOUBT that would ever happend.. + it wont help luffy AS U STADED to get his PLOT.. Thats why all that u say is fake.... Coz u talk ureself away, u could have a discusion with ureself coz all ure statements is in contradictoin with eachother.

Boa joinen will NOT effect the StoryLine what so ever, OR slowing it down.... WHAT so EVER... There ISNT LOVE going ON!, READ OP AGAIN.. SHE only Loves Luffy...Luffy doesnt love her, But he likes Boa for helping him BIG TIME...

So last time i said it, Ure having a discission with ure own, all ure statments are in contradiction iwth eachother.... Please read OP again before commenting...

[AGOG]

@OneManCollectiblez:

Oda also stadt he would kill one piece characters, so that a fact. so all ure reasons are stll invalid…

How are my reasons invalid?

Ure the one that has no reasons other than Plot, wich is not needed… coz saving ace is also not for the plot of luffy becomming PK.. sho why did he do that......

He did it because he would gain something from it later on… Character growth and strengthening of ambition.

He wants to be the PK and he isn't there yet, so he has to have more desire and such to make it... It's all about the plot.

OP dont need fighters? hahahahahaha… now u really dont make ANY sence AT ALL.... I think uve been watching Pokemon instead of OP.. once again ReWatch OP....

Is OP with the shell turtle and ummm fire lizard that evolves?
Or the electric mouse that says Pika Pika!!

Hmmm?

and the 3 that u called is noncense, Luffy would gain anything from those 3… u just said perona can come for a few islands LOL...., Thats a @nd vivi And i DOUBT that would ever happend.. + it wont help luffy AS U STADED to get his PLOT.. Thats why all that u say is fake.... Coz u talk ureself away, u could have a discusion with ureself coz all ure statements is in contradictoin with eachother.

Once again, you shouldn't do this… I've written a bunch of stuff of Perona.

But if you want them, then I could look for them...

In order for Perona to NOT BE a Vivi, she needs to be a ROBIN.

That means, she needs these:

• A dream
• A sad past
• A power
• A plot line and an arc devoted to her
• A dream related to the future
• A lot more characterization towards a future location
• Nowhere else to go
• Find comfort in the crew.

She needs all of those to be a crew member…

To be a nakama, she needs this:

• To take Zoro back to Rayleigh's location.
• Ask to join.
• Have Oda say she knows a little about the future island.

That's all that's needed for her to be a nakama…

She has the first one and the second and the third one open for Oda to express...

If he wants her to join completely, she would just need to have a connection to some menace in the NW like Kaidou or something... Give her a sad past and then a few other things and she's set to join.

That simple.

She adds to plot because she gets Luffy towards the next islands, like Vivi got him towards the next islands and closer to Raftel.

That's plot support, helping Luffy move forward.

Boa joinen will NOT effect the StoryLine what so ever, OR slowing it down…. WHAT so EVER... There ISNT LOVE going ON!, READ OP AGAIN.. SHE only Loves Luffy...Luffy doesnt love her, But he likes Boa for helping him BIG TIME...

Her personality will force her to act upon her feelings and since she's got a single interest, she's going to be active towards that goal… This forces Oda to at least show something for her part.

If she is rejected, she's going to be angry and bitter, if she is approved, then the manga shifts focus and will change.

Having Boa Hancock join will force Oda to open up an arc for her island, therefore, slowing down the manga... If he doesn't do that, then the island is dead and Luffy has more guilt upon him.

Furthermore, having Hancock will make them have an even worse time in the NW, she's going to be too strong and will take up the fights and then when she is defeated, Luffy and crew will fall to the person that takes her out.

This forces the plot to dwindle...

She's only a hindrance.

So last time i said it, Ure having a discission with ure own, all ure statments are in contradiction iwth eachother…. Please read OP again before commenting...

No, I'm telling you that Hancock has no purpose for the ship. Prove me wrong.

I showed you 'love' isn't going to let her join, so try another approach…

[The Iceman]

so as long as theres alot of senseless posting about who will join…

-Hancock; cause the SH need another girl, another DF, someone who can use haki, and someone who can act as a foil for Nami in regards to her relationship with Luffy

-Jinbei; cause we need a fishman, and Luffy did get him out of jail. Plus they could bond over Ace.

-Mr. 3; lets face it, without 3 things would have gone very different. The dude was the deciding factor in a few key moments. Plus he's shown room to grow in ability.

-Buggy; just cause his crew left him and he could no way handle his new crew should they ever mutiney againist him.

-Croc & Mr. 1; Croc will be like you earned my respect, and Luffy will be like "ok i forgive you, the bitch derseved it and everything" and the two of them could bond over how much they hate vivi and mr. 1 can just stand there looking all cool.

-Garp; Garp's like "fuck, he dies, thats it" so he joins to watch over Luffy as his guardian and becomes the guard dog of the Sunny.

-Slivers Rayleigh; lets face it, every great manga has the role of some great mentor that helps the main character get stronger, and just all around better. Slivers could fill this role easily, training the crew, and being their ace in the hole. He might be old, but he's been there and done that. Plus he's like what one of three still alive that remembers what shit was like back in the old days. Oh and if any admirals seriously go after the SH's they are screwed so Slivers would help level the playing feild.

-The WB pirates; they got no where to go, WB is making his final stand, ace is dead, Marco is in a depression, and Jozu is screaming about his left arm. If they don't follow Luffy, then perhaps say hello to the newest addition's to the revolutionaries?

-Ivanko; he could join to help protect luffy, and train him, and perhaps offer him help dealing with ace's death. Plus dragon may ask him to watch over Luffy, or perhaps Ivanko will stay with Luffy in order to meet with Dragon again.

-Inzuma; could receive some sort of order to stay with and help Luffy, but quite frankly I don't think he could handle staying as one gender for too long.

-Perona; nah she'll go crawling back to morai the moment she see's him.

[AGOG]

All of them are "pro" except Perona's… Fascinating.

Hopefully Moria got killed by Curiel... Since I saw him walking.

[Zik]

^^You forgot Ace.

Oh wait!

[AGOG]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

^^You forgot Ace.

Oh wait!

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs44/150/i/2009/109/1/8/Fire_Fist_Ace_by_Molat.jpg

Yeah, he did forget him…

[Vaayu]

@AGOG:

Having Boa Hancock join will force Oda to open up an arc for her island, therefore, slowing down the manga… If he doesn't do that, then the island is dead and Luffy has more guilt upon him.

Whats wrong with more arcs and more cool adventures? Why do you want the manga to end so fast? I want Oda to cover as much of One Piece world as possible. I want Luffy to go back to Amazon Lily and the awesome beauties . What better place to learn and practice Haki?

If there is one thing that has been true up till now, every crew member has gone through some lengthy adventure with Luffy before joining. There is no reason this should change.

@The:

-Perona; nah she'll go crawling back to morai the moment she see's him.

Pretty much

[The Iceman]

@AGOG:

All of them are "pro" except Perona's… Fascinating.

Well that was the point.

[brennen.exe]

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

[Md-Martin]

@brennen.exe:

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

16 characters of pure agreement

[Robby]

"Agree"

how was that?

[AGOG]

@Vaayu:

Whats wrong with more arcs and more cool adventures? Why do you want the manga to end so fast? I want Oda to cover as much of One Piece world as possible. I want Luffy to go back to Amazon Lily and the awesome beauties . What better place to learn and practice Haki?

If there is one thing that has been true up till now, every crew member has gone through some lengthy adventure with Luffy before joining. There is no reason this should change.

Pretty much

Then we'll have to wait for FI for like another year or something… I don't want to keep waiting for that mythical island by now.

@brennen.exe:

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

Burnt BBQ for the victory party of the Marines… Maybe Akainu will light a "Jinbei Cake" though...

[Urouge]

@brennen.exe:

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

"Agree."

Now we play "the waiting game"…

...The waiting game sucks.

[BatDan]

@Urouge:

…The waiting game sucks.

Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

[Vaayu]

@AGOG:

Then we'll have to wait for FI for like another year or something… I don't want to keep waiting for that mythical island by now.

I would be surprised if Luffy reaches FI before a year atleast. Only if there is a time-skip… which means he can be recuperating anywhere, even AL.

[Urouge]

@BatDan:

Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

[qimg]http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hungry_hungry_hippos.jpg[/qimg]

I didn't expect anyone to catch the reference that quickly. Well done!

[AGOG]

@Vaayu:

I would be surprised if Luffy reaches FI before a year atleast. Only if there is a time-skip… which means he can be recuperating anywhere, even AL.

I don't want any more arcs because they'll make Marineford look worse…

Like how the bell rang and the arc was great...

Like how Robin was saved and Merry died...

Like how Luffy made it into the GL at last...

Like how Luffy saved Alabasta and beat Crocodile and they said good bye to Vivi...

So on and so on.

If a new saga or arc comes, then this arc will have to be topped and I can't see it happen since this is the biggest arc of action to date.

I can't see any bigger arc coming since it's pointless...

Having a new saga that leads to Luffy saving AL is like annoying... cause then we have to have an arc with focus on Marijoes and Akainu getting defeated or something just as grand.

I'd hate that sort of stuff...

[Kishido]

@brennen.exe:

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

Total agreement to this.

This chapter even proof that he is giving all he have to save someone… not like Boa... who still watch the show to hold her statusnand not helping Luffy...

[loledinmypants]

@brennen.exe:

Jinbei will "join". Basically, him having "relevance" to further "plot development" is near "fact". He will be around in the "future" whether we want it or not, and the chances of him "joining" are pretty much "decent". You should all just say "agree".

Agree

(plus Jinbei is cool and can be emergency food supply #2)

[Vaayu]

@AGOG:

If a new saga or arc comes, then this arc will have to be topped and I can't see it happen since this is the biggest arc of action to date.

I can't see any bigger arc coming since it's pointless…

Having a new saga that leads to Luffy saving AL is like annoying... cause then we have to have an arc with focus on Marijoes and Akainu getting defeated or something just as grand.

I'd hate that sort of stuff...

This arc is good for what it is: loads of fighting. But it is hardly the kind of stuff which makes One Piece what it is: Tons of adventure, tons of fun and jokes, tons of meat.

I am looking forward anxiously to a massive change of pace, taking One Piece back to how it was before this all fight arc. Nothing better for this than going back to places already visited and having mundane, simple adventures. If this happens in FI, it would be boring as hell.

[Cyborg_Franky]

lol i clicked this thread first today cuz as soon as i saw the chapter title i knew ace fans would b freakin out lol….... TOLD U

[Urouge]

@Vaayu:

This arc is good for what it is: loads of fighting. But it is hardly the kind of stuff which makes One Piece what it is: Tons of adventure, tons of fun and jokes, tons of meat.

I am looking forward anxiously to a massive change of pace, taking One Piece back to how it was before this all fight arc. Nothing better for this than going back to places already visited and having mundane, simple adventures. If this happens in FI, it would be boring as hell.

Indeed. I'm looking forward to seeing Luffy go back to Amazon Lily, unconscious. His kintama will be in more danger than ever before!

In other news, Jinbei showing up in front of the crew with a nearly dead, unconscious luffy over his shoulder could make for a pretty amusing scene. We can get a mass reaction of "ANOTHER Warlord!!? LUFFY! OH SHIT!" Then Hancock can walk in, causing Usopp to make the foaming at the mouth Hannyabal face, and causing Sanji to turn to stone without her doing anything at all.

[Vaayu]

@Urouge:

Indeed. I'm looking forward to seeing Luffy go back to Amazon Lily, unconscious. His kintama will be in more danger than ever before!

In other news, Jinbei showing up in front of the crew with a nearly dead, unconscious luffy over his shoulder could make for a pretty amusing scene. We can get a mass reaction of "ANOTHER Warlord!!? LUFFY! OH SHIT!" Then Hancock can walk in, causing Usopp to make the foaming at the mouth Hannyabal face, and causing Sanji to turn to stone without her doing anything at all.

Epic, to say the least. MAKE THIS HAPPEN ODA!

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

How are my reasons invalid?

Coz ure saying stuff, like Boa has nothing to give the crew…. witch is just sooo not true, Tell me who is going to learn luffy HAKI and KINGSHAKI, If he deosnt even know what it is yet.

@AGOG:

He did it because he would gain something from it later on… Character growth and strengthening of ambition.

Hmmm, Character growth in what he doesnt need character growth to be a PK its only interesting for the readers? Strengthening!?? His ambition is to be PK, u just said, so saving ace wouldnt sthrengten anything of his ambition to be pk.

@AGOG:

He wants to be the PK and he isn't there yet, so he has to have more desire and such to make it… It's all about the plot.

His desire to be PK is already his dream so it's already on its fullest..ITS HIS ULTIMATE DREAM!.

@AGOG:

Is OP with the shell turtle and ummm fire lizard that evolves?
Or the electric mouse that says Pika Pika!!

Hmmm?

For u my friend yes:)

@AGOG:

Once again, you shouldn't do this… I've written a bunch of stuff of Perona.

But if you want them, then I could look for them...

In order for Perona to NOT BE a Vivi, she needs to be a ROBIN.

That means, she needs these:

• A dream
• A sad past
• A power
• A plot line and an arc devoted to her
• A dream related to the future
• A lot more characterization towards a future location
• Nowhere else to go
• Find comfort in the crew.

She needs all of those to be a crew member…

Wow, Comfort in crew comes later…

Boa: A Dream, Being with luffy.
A Sad Past: Held as slave by the WG
A Power: Kings haki and DF
A arc: yes this WB arc
Adream related to the futere: Kick the wg ass?, or BE luffy's wive?
Alot more characterization towards the future location: <--- what are u talking about?
Find Comfort in the crew: All crewmembers find comfort, i am shure she will do just fine in the crew.

As u see, Shes well on the way to be a Crew member, AND LOVE DOES COUNT, Coz oda kills ppl.

@AGOG:

To be a nakama, she needs this:

• To take Zoro back to Rayleigh's location.
• Ask to join.
• Have Oda say she knows a little about the future island.

That's all that's needed for her to be a nakama…

Nice, but

Boa Helped luffy get to IP
Sneaked IN IpelDown
Saved luffy from getting killed by Smoker.
Helped the pirates.

So shes already an nakama..

@AGOG:

She has the first one and the second and the third one open for Oda to express…

she has more filled in already on your point list, u just dont understand YET.

@AGOG:

If he wants her to join completely, she would just need to have a connection to some menace in the NW like Kaidou or something… Give her a sad past and then a few other things and she's set to join.

That simple.

She adds to plot because she gets Luffy towards the next islands, like Vivi got him towards the next islands and closer to Raftel.

To bad oda didnt introduce NONE of those points, so still Boa > Perona.

And how does she get luffy toward to the next island, i think NAMI is prefectly capable of doing that.

@AGOG:

That's plot support, helping Luffy move forward.

like i said, the dont need her for that. Boa can help luffy by improving his Haki knolage and learn him how to use it.. ALSO how to use his KINGS haki.

@AGOG:

Her personality will force her to act upon her feelings and since she's got a single interest, she's going to be active towards that goal… This forces Oda to at least show something for her part.

That wont be any problem.

@AGOG:

If she is rejected, she's going to be angry and bitter, if she is approved, then the manga shifts focus and will change.

She wont be rejected. And the focus wont shift. Coz the focus didnt shift for all those ppl dreams on 1 single boat. All the dreams of the crew can be completed on ThousandSunny INCLUDING BOa's 1;).

@AGOG:

Having Boa Hancock join will force Oda to open up an arc for her island, therefore, slowing down the manga… If he doesn't do that, then the island is dead and Luffy has more guilt upon him.

Oda is a great writher he DOESNT have to open an arc of that island. We alreaddy saw AL.

@AGOG:

Furthermore, having Hancock will make them have an even worse time in the NW, she's going to be too strong and will take up the fights and then when she is defeated, Luffy and crew will fall to the person that takes her out.

But u just said tha they doesnt ahve to fight any1 and they dont need a crew, only luffy and nami would be just fine O.O?? For luffy to be PK.

Also by the time he will learn how to use his KINGS haki, From Boa he will surpass her.

@AGOG:

This forces the plot to dwindle…

Not at all.

@AGOG:

She's only a hindrance.

Only in your eyes.

@AGOG:

No, I'm telling you that Hancock has no purpose for the ship. Prove me wrong.

1. I showed you 'love' isn't going to let her join, so try another approach…

U cant show me that, coz oda said so. He also stated he would not let 1 OP character DIE. but he just did. Oda is Unpredictable.

[Kishido]

@Urouge:

Indeed. I'm looking forward to seeing Luffy go back to Amazon Lily, unconscious. His kintama will be in more danger than ever before!

In other news, Jinbei showing up in front of the crew with a nearly dead, unconscious luffy over his shoulder could make for a pretty amusing scene. We can get a mass reaction of "ANOTHER Warlord!!? LUFFY! OH SHIT!" Then Hancock can walk in, causing Usopp to make the foaming at the mouth Hannyabal face, and causing Sanji to turn to stone without her doing anything at all.

And that could clearly happen

[AGOG]

OneManCollectiblez this is the reply!!

Wow… I mean like WOW!!

! @OneManCollectiblez:
! > Coz ure saying stuff, like Boa has nothing to give the crew…. witch is just sooo not true, Tell me who is going to learn luffy HAKI and KINGSHAKI, If he deosnt even know what it is yet.
! Tell me, why did luffy figure out Soru and all those other techniques and merge them with his RUBBER skill?
! Because he had to do it… So, rather than being trained and stuff, he will come into a situation and figure out what Haki does on his own...
! "If I had Haki, I would have saved Ace!!" or something like that to motivate him to learn it in order to protect his crew.
! He doesn't nor has he ever had training since he departed towards the high seas... He shouldn't ever be trained in the future...
! Same goes for all the other characters, they learn as they move on.
! > Hmmm, Character growth in what he doesnt need character growth to be a PK its only interesting for the readers? Strengthening!?? His ambition is to be PK, u just said, so saving ace wouldnt sthrengten anything of his ambition to be pk.
! Let me be clear, Luffy has no tragic loss and has been having an easy time towards his goal… Correct?
! This is the first time that Luffy has felt a COMPLETE loss and the realization will leave a lasting effect on the guy, it's going to change him.
! Of all of the characters, minus Sanji, Luffy has never felt anything like they have:
! * Zoro lost his rival.

• Usopp lost his mother.
• Nami lost her mother.
• Robin lost her whole island and mother.
• Chopper lost his father figure.
• Franky lost his mentor.
• Brook lost his nakama.

! I don't want to get into Sanji since it'll apply still, he felt loss as well… But Luffy has never felt any of that, he has always had it pretty easy as compared to the others...
! So, he didn't have the same conviction towards his goals and such as the others do... At least not on the same scale. With this death, Ace's death, Oda has showed that Luffy's motive to beating out his competition should be enormous now. Just because of this, Luffy will now desire to become better and more serious towards his goals and duties... In other words, Luffy won't let this stuff happen once again.
! > His desire to be PK is already his dream so it's already on its fullest..ITS HIS ULTIMATE DREAM!.
! Yes, but for who?
He didn't have any real motivation for it to make it the biggest deal… He was always doing it for fun and selfish reason.
! Everyone else is doing their dreams for other characters...
! * Nami for her mother.

• Zoro for Kuina.
• Usopp for his mother.
• Sanji for his dream and Zeff's.
• Robin for her heritage, and a hell of a lot of shit towards it.
• Franky for Tom.
• Brook for his nakama.
• Chopper for his late father-like figure.

! Luffy was only doing it for some naive arm being lost… He didn't fully understand it, so Oda added up a new notch: for Ace.
! > For u my friend yes:)
! Eh, sure?
! > Wow, Comfort in crew comes later…
! Yeah, Robin wasn't wanted, but that changed after Skypiea and she was shown to like the "atmosphere" of the whole crew… Am I wrong?
! Nami hated pirates and didn't care for them, but that changed and forced her to go with them after Arlong Park...
! Usopp was always scared, but he matured over time.
! Zoro was always a soloist, but he is changing...
! Chopper hated humans, but he's changing...
! Franky is Franky and Brook is Brook.
! Lastly, Sanji is the best example since he is opening up to Zoro, his rival and dropping his women thing. He left Nami to save Zoro, in that SA encounter with Kizaru.
! It's true all the way through...
! > Boa: A Dream, Being with luffy.
A Sad Past: Held as slave by the WG
A Power: Kings haki and DF
A arc: yes this WB arc
Adream related to the futere: Kick the wg ass?, or BE luffy's wive?
Alot more characterization towards the future location: <–- what are u talking about?
Find Comfort in the crew: All crewmembers find comfort, i am shure she will do just fine in the crew.
! I showed you a quote that LOVE isn't going to lead to that being her dream. You should understand that this manga is about ADVENTURE and such, not the strive to get someone's affection… Sorry, but Oda clearly says he won't bother doing this sort of thing.
! So, Boa Hancock's dream, if it is like that, will prevent her from joining...
Her sad past, is just that... Nothing special.
Matters not. She's hacked, so that's something you can take a shot trying to explain.
It's not her arc... Ace's arc and he's dead.
No romance dream, no reason for her to 'kick the WG ass' since she's better off with Dragon...
Does she connect them towards a future island or event and can she show anything from the future: that's what...
! I'm not disagreeing here, but she's not going to join so she won't have the chance to do this...
! > As u see, Shes well on the way to be a Crew member, AND LOVE DOES COUNT, Coz oda kills ppl.
! I don't get how it counts when I clearly showed you an interview and a source where Oda won't make it a focal point of the plot… In other words, he won't make a dream be to bear a child for a man... Pointless.
! Oda killed a guy in chapter one, what point are you trying to make? Oda never said he won't kill a person... He said he won't be making a sex-awareness manga ...
! > Nice, but

Boa Helped luffy get to IP
Sneaked IN IpelDown
Saved luffy from getting killed by Smoker.
Helped the pirates.

So shes already an nakama..
! I don't see her getting an invite in point blank distance… I don't see her having a visible chance to be on the ship... I don't see her doing much of anything...
! Please, expand. She's obviously NOT a nakama...
! > she has more filled in already on your point list, u just dont understand YET.
! No, you just don't understand what should count and what shouldn't… It's not that hard: be anti-lovey dovey scenes and be pro other stuff...
! > To bad oda didnt introduce NONE of those points, so still Boa > Perona.
! * Perona should help Zoro: she can follow a vivre card, Zoro cannot and he was foreshadowed to fail. She can bring him back and has tended to his wounds… She could very well follow him since she's the only person shown with an appearance there... A ship can be found. It checks out that she can lead Zoro back...

• I explained this…
• Luffy can invite her with ease depending on her helping Zoro return…

! So, that's that…
! You have to start with being a friend before you can be a crew member...
! > And how does she get luffy toward to the next island, i think NAMI is prefectly capable of doing that.
! How did Robin manage to get them to Sky Island and not Nami??
! Same thing here… Just because Nami may not understand how the NW works, we can have Perona, who has the possibility to have come from that land, help out and show them the ropes early on...
! Vivi was shown to help Nami understand the whole frontier first and foremost before she left them...
! Nami has never been to the NW or GL, this is her first time being here... Perona may have the knowledge needed to help them move ahead a small significant route just to save them from being doomed without enough knowledge...
! > like i said, the dont need her for that. Boa can help luffy by improving his Haki knolage and learn him how to use it.. ALSO how to use his KINGS haki.
! That won't get them by massive obstacles in the NW… What if there's some dangerous unknown over there and if Hancock doesn't know about the NW, what point will she have to even be there? Haki? Haki can't help them get by terrible natural storms...
! Furthermore, Luffy has always learned things on his own...
! > That wont be any problem.
! Explain…
! > She wont be rejected. And the focus wont shift. Coz the focus didnt shift for all those ppl dreams on 1 single boat. All the dreams of the crew can be completed on ThousandSunny INCLUDING BOa's 1;).
! All the dreams are focused on the Shounen manga genre, such as adventure… Boa Hancock's "probable" dream according to you is focused on Shoujo manga, i.e. girls' manga.
! So, it's not in the same genre and Oda won't make that a dream even possible...
! > Oda is a great writher he DOESNT have to open an arc of that island. We alreaddy saw AL.
! He will have to if Boa Hancock betrays and joins the crew of the future PK and son of Dragon and brother of Ace…
! AL is going to get a visit from Master Akainu who'll make it see HELLFIRE over there... WG and Akainu won't sit like traitors are allowed to walk... He was messing up Jinbei in this arc and roasted the guy cause he was a traitor... Boa Hancock will have the same fate and her island is a piracy nation which is only protected by Boa Hancock's title... Master Akainu will light the Birthday Cake over there...
! He doesn't even care if they aren't pirates, to him they are fodder and MUST be done right...
! Oda would have to have an arc to focus on THAT stuff because otherwise Luffy and Boa Hancock would leave that island to die, which isn't going to happen... Then, since they are at it... Oda would probably move it to the Tenryuubito capital just to make sure that the WG won't attack again...
! In other words, too much stuff to bother with. If you don't agree, provide a reason why they won't attack the traitor...
! > But u just said tha they doesnt ahve to fight any1 and they dont need a crew, only luffy and nami would be just fine O.O?? For luffy to be PK.
! I did… Luffy just needs to move to Raftel. He could do that with a navigator and himself... I'm sure Robin's important since Rio Poneglyph has to do with Raftel...
! So, Luffy wants to be the PK, he never needed a bunch of folks for that stuff... Being PK makes him and whatever crew he has better than the others...
! > Also by the time he will learn how to use his KINGS haki, From Boa he will surpass her.
! Where's your proof?
! > Not at all.
! Hmmmmmmm…..........?
! > Only in your eyes.

U cant show me that, coz oda said so. He also stated he would not let 1 OP character DIE. but he just did. Oda is Unpredictable.
! Where did he state that?
! I would love to know.. I showed you that and the interview page… I can show you the whole link and stuff... It's present and such, but I don't remember him saying he'll never kill since he already killed a man in chapter one...
! Please do show it to me.

I'm using spoilers cause brennin said so…

[Strongbad456]

@AGOG:

Wow… I mean like WOW!!

! Tell me, why did luffy figure out Soru and all those other techniques and merge them with his RUBBER skill?
! Because he had to do it… So, rather than being trained and stuff, he will come into a situation and figure out what Haki does on his own...
! "If I had Haki, I would have saved Ace!!" or something like that to motivate him to learn it in order to protect his crew.
! He doesn't nor has he ever had training since he departed towards the high seas... He shouldn't ever be trained in the future...
! Same goes for all the other characters, they learn as they move on.
! Let me be clear, Luffy has no tragic loss and has been having an easy time towards his goal... Correct?
! This is the first time that Luffy has felt a COMPLETE loss and the realization will leave a lasting effect on the guy, it's going to change him.
! Of all of the characters, minus Sanji, Luffy has never felt anything like they have:
! * Zoro lost his rival.

• Usopp lost his mother.
• Nami lost her mother.
• Robin lost her whole island and mother.
• Chopper lost his father figure.
• Franky lost his mentor.
• Brook lost his nakama.

! I don't want to get into Sanji since it'll apply still, he felt loss as well… But Luffy has never felt any of that, he has always had it pretty easy as compared to the others...
! So, he didn't have the same conviction towards his goals and such as the others do... At least not on the same scale. With this death, Ace's death, Oda has showed that Luffy's motive to beating out his competition should be enormous now. Just because of this, Luffy will now desire to become better and more serious towards his goals and duties... In other words, Luffy won't let this stuff happen once again.
! Yes, but for who?
He didn't have any real motivation for it to make it the biggest deal... He was always doing it for fun and selfish reason.
! Everyone else is doing their dreams for other characters...
! * Nami for her mother.

• Zoro for Kuina.
• Usopp for his mother.
• Sanji for his dream and Zeff's.
• Robin for her heritage, and a hell of a lot of shit towards it.
• Franky for Tom.
• Brook for his nakama.
• Chopper for his late father-like figure.

! Luffy was only doing it for some naive arm being lost… He didn't fully understand it, so Oda added up a new notch: for Ace.
! Eh, sure?
! Yeah, Robin wasn't wanted, but that changed after Skypiea and she was shown to like the "atmosphere" of the whole crew... Am I wrong?
! Nami hated pirates and didn't care for them, but that changed and forced her to go with them after Arlong Park...
! Usopp was always scared, but he matured over time.
! Zoro was always a soloist, but he is changing...
! Chopper hated humans, but he's changing...
! Franky is Franky and Brook is Brook.
! Lastly, Sanji is the best example since he is opening up to Zoro, his rival and dropping his women thing. He left Nami to save Zoro, in that SA encounter with Kizaru.
! It's true all the way through...
! I showed you a quote that LOVE isn't going to lead to that being her dream. You should understand that this manga is about ADVENTURE and such, not the strive to get someone's affection... Sorry, but Oda clearly says he won't bother doing this sort of thing.
! So, Boa Hancock's dream, if it is like that, will prevent her from joining...
Her sad past, is just that... Nothing special.
Matters not. She's hacked, so that's something you can take a shot trying to explain.
It's not her arc... Ace's arc and he's dead.
No romance dream, no reason for her to 'kick the WG ass' since she's better off with Dragon...
Does she connect them towards a future island or event and can she show anything from the future: that's what...
! I'm not disagreeing here, but she's not going to join so she won't have the chance to do this...
! I don't get how it counts when I clearly showed you an interview and a source where Oda won't make it a focal point of the plot... In other words, he won't make a dream be to bear a child for a man... Pointless.
! Oda killed a guy in chapter one, what point are you trying to make? Oda never said he won't kill a person... He said he won't be making a sex-awareness manga ...
! I don't see her getting an invite in point blank distance... I don't see her having a visible chance to be on the ship... I don't see her doing much of anything...
! Please, expand. She's obviously NOT a nakama...
! No, you just don't understand what should count and what shouldn't... It's not that hard: be anti-lovey dovey scenes and be pro other stuff...
! * Perona should help Zoro: she can follow a vivre card, Zoro cannot and he was foreshadowed to fail. She can bring him back and has tended to his wounds… She could very well follow him since she's the only person shown with an appearance there... A ship can be found. It checks out that she can lead Zoro back...

• I explained this…
• Luffy can invite her with ease depending on her helping Zoro return…

! So, that's that…
! You have to start with being a friend before you can be a crew member...
! How did Robin manage to get them to Sky Island and not Nami??
! Same thing here... Just because Nami may not understand how the NW works, we can have Perona, who has the possibility to have come from that land, help out and show them the ropes early on...
! Vivi was shown to help Nami understand the whole frontier first and foremost before she left them...
! Nami has never been to the NW or GL, this is her first time being here... Perona may have the knowledge needed to help them move ahead a small significant route just to save them from being doomed without enough knowledge...
! That won't get them by massive obstacles in the NW... What if there's some dangerous unknown over there and if Hancock doesn't know about the NW, what point will she have to even be there? Haki? Haki can't help them get by terrible natural storms...
! Furthermore, Luffy has always learned things on his own...
! Explain...
! All the dreams are focused on the Shounen manga genre, such as adventure... Boa Hancock's "probable" dream according to you is focused on Shoujo manga, i.e. girls' manga.
! So, it's not in the same genre and Oda won't make that a dream even possible...
! He will have to if Boa Hancock betrays and joins the crew of the future PK and son of Dragon and brother of Ace...
! AL is going to get a visit from Master Akainu who'll make it see HELLFIRE over there... WG and Akainu won't sit like traitors are allowed to walk... He was messing up Jinbei in this arc and roasted the guy cause he was a traitor... Boa Hancock will have the same fate and her island is a piracy nation which is only protected by Boa Hancock's title... Master Akainu will light the Birthday Cake over there...
! He doesn't even care if they aren't pirates, to him they are fodder and MUST be done right...
! Oda would have to have an arc to focus on THAT stuff because otherwise Luffy and Boa Hancock would leave that island to die, which isn't going to happen... Then, since they are at it... Oda would probably move it to the Tenryuubito capital just to make sure that the WG won't attack again...
! In other words, too much stuff to bother with. If you don't agree, provide a reason why they won't attack the traitor...
! I did... Luffy just needs to move to Raftel. He could do that with a navigator and himself... I'm sure Robin's important since Rio Poneglyph has to do with Raftel...
! So, Luffy wants to be the PK, he never needed a bunch of folks for that stuff... Being PK makes him and whatever crew he has better than the others...
! Where's your proof?
! Hmmmmmmm.............?
! Where did he state that?
! I would love to know.. I showed you that and the interview page... I can show you the whole link and stuff... It's present and such, but I don't remember him saying he'll never kill since he already killed a man in chapter one...
! Please do show it to me.

I'm using spoilers cause brennin said so…

1. You say Luffy doesn't need his crewmates but isn't it part of his dream to have a 10 person crew? He wants and needs them to be Pirate King.

2. I believe in the same interview that Oda said there won't be love in One Piece he said a character can like someone but it won't lead anywhere. That's Boa. She loves Luffy and would join for it BUT it obviously won't lead anywhere and that's fine. Not that I think she'll join but I like to keep an open mind.

[AGOG]

@Strongbad456:

1. You say Luffy doesn't need his crewmates but isn't it part of his dream to have a 10 person crew? He wants and needs them to be Pirate King.

2. I believe in the same interview that Oda said there won't be love in One Piece he said a character can like someone but it won't lead anywhere. That's Boa. She loves Luffy and would join for it BUT it obviously won't lead anywhere and that's fine. Not that I think she'll join but I like to keep an open mind.

It isn't his dream…

He just said: "About ten should do..."

Not like he cares what number... All he said was "I need a better crew than Shanks."

Technically, he only needs Nami to make it to Raftel and probably Robin to decipher it to become the PK...

Everyone else doesn't really matter.

2: I'm saying she's got no dream, and if her dream is to have his affection, then that quote from that interview makes it an impossible dream to complete and pretty pointless as a dream...

[herr_sebbe]

Luffy said he'd collect ten people and then head to the Grand Line.

Is that really valid?

[MmmBug]

Disagree …

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

It isn't his dream…

He just said: "About ten should do..."

Not like he cares what number... All he said was "I need a better crew than Shanks."

Technically, he only needs Nami to make it to Raftel and probably Robin to decipher it to become the PK...

Everyone else doesn't really matter.

2: I'm saying she's got no dream, and if her dream is to have his affection, then that quote from that interview makes it an impossible dream to complete and pretty pointless as a dream...

U just said that luffy will fight in the new world???. So how could he do that with only robin and nami. And have a stronger crew than shanks. SO he DOES need the other ppl. But repli on my last post or else all ure effort is for nuthing. Boa is plausible to join and u disagreed, But ure keeping ure same Plot system, and ure theory's arant that well.. i dont think u convinced any1 that Boa Wont join

[AGOG]

@OneManCollectiblez:

U just said that luffy will fight in the new world???. So how could he do that with only robin and nami. And have a stronger crew than shanks. SO he DOES need the other ppl. But repli on my last post or else all ure effort is for nuthing. Boa is plausible to join and u disagreed, But ure keeping ure same Plot system, and ure theory's arant that well.. i dont think u convinced any1 that Boa Wont join

I did reply…

I said, if Oda cared... Luffy only needs Nami to head out to Raftel. He also only needs Robin to decipher the Poneglyph.

He doesn't need anyone else really just to head to Raftel and complete his dream...

Wouldn't it be true that having the Pirate King title MAKES him have a better crew than Shanks since he was ABLE to make it with a lot less people to a record place that Shanks never had been able to?

That's what is making him stronger...

He did use the words "better" and not stronger by the way. He also said better in response to comparing him to Shanks... He didn't state he would be stronger than him, just a better pirate.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

I did reply…

I said, if Oda cared... Luffy only needs Nami to head out to Raftel. He also only needs Robin to decipher the Poneglyph.

He doesn't need anyone else really just to head to Raftel and complete his dream...

Wouldn't it be true that having the Pirate King title MAKES him have a better crew than Shanks since he was ABLE to make it with a lot less people to a record place that Shanks never had been able to?

That's what is making him stronger...

He did use the words "better" and not stronger by the way. He also said better in response to comparing him to Shanks... He didn't state he would be stronger than him, just a better pirate.

If oda cared….. dude its about a discussion, not if oda cared. Ure here to discuss what YOU think. i could also say IF ODA cared boa to be part of SH she would. But thats stupid because its based on NOTHING. just like ure theory's about Boa.