yeah thats true about the temperature, i guess magma is hotter than fire. Luffy would go apeshit if Ace died on Akainu.
He's already going to now on Akainu. Maybe his haki/ambition will get stronger as a result?
yeah thats true about the temperature, i guess magma is hotter than fire. Luffy would go apeshit if Ace died on Akainu.
He's already going to now on Akainu. Maybe his haki/ambition will get stronger as a result?
He's already going to now on Akainu. Maybe his haki/ambition will get stronger as a result?
Yeah i am hoping that one of the admirals die. Preferably Akainu since he seems the most ruthless out of the three.
PS. Kizaru can't die because he is my favorite character haha.
I wonder if Luffy could melt in front of Akianu.
lol rubber has a melting point of 128 degrees C or 262.4 degrees F. Magma has a temperature of 1600 degrees C or 2912 degrees F. So technically Luffy could melt but this is a manga so…..
Mihawk hasn't done a thing in this war so far. For someone who is supposedly as strong as the admirals, he has been useless and seems far too weak. It wouldn't surprise me if Vista was Zoro's new benchmark.
Clearly the Whitebeard pirates have gotten complacent with living off of the fame of Whitebeard's reputation. As long as no one was willing to stand up to them, they couldn't get any better at combat and thus their fighting skills (and intelligence, apparently) have atrophied. Ace is hardly the only Whitebeard pirate to do something stupid: look at Marco getting caught with the cuffs. Look at Joz getting frozen by Aokiji.
i take back what i had said before their dumb for losing focus during a war but i dont think they've ever really been face with "looking out for" white beard before i mean 20 years ago or so WB might have taken out a whole crew before marco could even get up lol
yeah thats true about the temperature, i guess magma is hotter than fire. Luffy would go apeshit if Ace died on Akainu.
Mihawk hasn't done a thing in this war so far. For someone who is supposedly as strong as the admirals, he has been useless and seems far too weak. It wouldn't surprise me if Vista was Zoro's new benchmark.
O he also said he only wants to "measure his power" i dont really think he's setting out looking for fights and i think vista to be a commander and from what i can see TOP swordsmen of the white beard crew you seem to be over looking him a bit the only action we've seen out of him is a 1v1 fight with the strongest swordsmen in the world…. so much to go by right?
History has shown us that, if anything, in the unlikely event that Ace does in fact die, Luffy might have a short burst of rage, but then break down into a wreck shortly afterwards.
hahahahhaah. I was thinking along those lines haha
It's all about temperature.
Tell me, what do you think it hotter. A flame lit on a match or molten lava sitting in the core of the Earth. If you were to drop said lit match into a pool of lava, what do you think would happen to the flame. It sure as hell wouldn't consume the lava, that's for sure.
Still, in real life fire and magma are never going to collide. In fact, magma creates fire when it touches stuff, so the entire theory makes no real sense when you think about it. But it's shonen, so there's no point in thinking too deeply into this.
I really like what's happening, IMO. If Ace actually dies, it will really set a new tone for the second half of this manga.
I didn't know flames only came from matches.
Flames from something like a Bunsen Burner is just as hot as any magma at around 1,500 degrees celsius.
The idea of fire being burned just doesn't sound right.
But I like the idea of there being some hierarchy to the powers.
Mihawk wasn't trying to kill everybody he saw completely if that was the case he wouldn't have let Vista just up and leave and would have kept on pursuing him throughout the battle. Mihawk is probably just having testing his skills against the new generation . I mean he could have injured Luffy but he stopped chasing after him after he switched places with buggy.'
It was never about defeating Whitebeard for Mihawk all he wanted was to scout out the rookies.
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Mihawk wasn't trying to kill everybody he saw completely if that was the case he wouldn't have let Vista just up and leave and would have kept on pursuing him throughout the battle. Mihawk is probably just having testing his skills against the new generation . I mean he could have injured Luffy but he stopped chasing after him after he switched places with buggy.'
It was never about defeating Whitebeard for Mihawk all he wanted was to scout out the rookies.
Keep in mind though, Luffy the only real rookie here, wasn't a planned factor. It's more like he wanted to see how far the WB Pirates have come, and can they save Ace
LOL If Luffy knocks down akainu chapter is full of crap. I guess Kuma plan or other pirates will show up to save him. The most farfetch answer is strawhats all linked up and find Luffy.:wassat:
He's already going to now on Akainu. Maybe his haki/ambition will get stronger as a result?
Yeah, maybe he will finally learn to control it. So far he's completly oblivious to it at all, so maybe the shock of Ace dying will make his learn the power. I actually hope that happens. I've been pretty pumped to see Luffy using Haki to it's fullest potential, and I hoped for it by the end of the arc. But I actually will be pissed if Ace dies.
Reminds me of Freeza killing Kuririn. And we all know what happened after that.
I think Luffy is going to use haki next chapter. He won't kill Akainu, but he'll damage him. And everyone shall shock face.
LOL If Luffy knocks down akainu chapter is full of crap. I guess Kuma plan or other pirates will show up to save him. The most farfetch answer is strawhats all linked up and find Luffy.:wassat:
its only farfecthed cuz it hasnt happend yet =)
Reminds me of Freeza killing Kuririn. And we all know what happened after that.
I think Luffy is going to use haki next chapter. He won't kill Akainu, but he'll damage him. And everyone shall shock face.
Except Moria, who'll have his copypasta happy face. Oda wouldn't miss an opportunity to make that into a gag, or would he?
I'm not sure whether to expect everything to be fine and happy next chapter and Ace get carried off to be sensu beaned by Iva while someone stalls Akainu (I'd guess WB) or to expect a Luffy hakipunch to Akainu's face. Knowing Oda, it'll be neither of the above and something I definitely hadn't thought of.
Mihawk hasn't done a thing in this war so far. For someone who is supposedly as strong as the admirals, he has been useless and seems far too weak. It wouldn't surprise me if Vista was Zoro's new benchmark.
Facepalm at this stupid comment. Mihawk has yet to use a name attack. LOL He just swing aimlessly. Mihawk is on a yonkou level, not Admiral. Mihawk>>>>>Visa because he the strongest swords man. This is a game to mihawk. The guy still didn't get a scratch on him.
the chapter was too rushed i felt. i find it kind of amazing how ace fell for it easy, i mean there wasn't even hesitation.i mean jinbei was near luffy and he disappeared and he couldn't help? i'm sorry but oda rushed through that.
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the chapter was too rushed i felt. i find it kind of amazing how ace fell for it easy, i mean there wasn't even hesitation.i mean jinbei was near luffy and he disappeared and he couldn't help? i'm sorry but oda rushed through that.
well in a sense he's a MAGAMA MAN what would jimbie have done lol i look at it as the WB crew is a family and theyre running away from a tornado or something (or w.e natural force you want to deem powerful and unstopable) and then ace was like wtf u say about my dad tornado? i think we were all facepalming after that moment
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Yeah, maybe he will finally learn to control it. So far he's completly oblivious to it at all, so maybe the shock of Ace dying will make his learn the power. I actually hope that happens. I've been pretty pumped to see Luffy using Haki to it's fullest potential, and I hoped for it by the end of the arc. But I actually will be pissed if Ace dies.
I like Ace and don't necessarily want him to die either, but think about how One Piece would take a much needed turn of direction if a main character actually died…
@Shaman:
the chapter was too rushed i felt. i find it kind of amazing how ace fell for it easy, i mean there wasn't even hesitation.i mean jinbei was near luffy and he disappeared and he couldn't help? i'm sorry but oda rushed through that.
IMO, it almost seems like Oda wants to end this arc to get to something else. I'm not defending some of these obvious flaws, but I do also think the movie took a major toll on him and that may have something to do with why the chapters haven't been as creamy as usual for the past two months or so. Still, at least this war has had far better pacing than the war with Bleach and Naruto so far, lol.
i have a question lava really burn fire or is that a shonen "hahahaha i have power that makes no sense but doesn't need to be" because that made me do the rock eye brow when i read that.
I like Ace and don't necessarily want him to die either, but think about how One Piece would take a much needed turn of direction if a main character actually died…
Indeed it would be, and good thing it's soon to happen, in the form of Whitebeard, which opens up some new plot idead. And let's be honest, does anybody really want to see Luffy be all angsty and moody for who knows how long? Of course not.
so whats the moral of this chapter? Magma is stronger then fire itself!
@Shaman:
i have a question lava really burn fire or is that a shonen "hahahaha i have power that makes no sense but doesn't need to be" because that made me do the rock eye brow when i read that.
Not quite burn fire, think of it as putting it out.
If you think about it lava/magma is just molten rock/earth ("watery"), so if that runs through some fire and cools off it'll put it out. Thats what i think.
Edit: Also, if you put fire against lava, it'll just grow hotter and its basically runny (really really) hot rock/earth.
Um, Ace got stabbed because he was defending Luffy, which actually has little to do with Ace being goaded.
If Ace doesn't stop to chat with Akainu, Luffy isn't in the vicinity in order to get magma punched. Simple as that. (He shoulders some blame too in this situation. Why pick up the Vivre Card in the middle of the fucking war? Can't you just get another one once you're in the New World?)
Also, I ask, what else was Ace going to do in that situation? Akainu was on their ship, or so it seemed the backgrounds weren't clear this chapter. Someone was going to have to attack the guy.
Page 12, 6th panel. They were still on the way to the ship. And WB was doing a pretty fair job of holding back the Marine forces.
Haters being hating. This chapter is bringing all the disillusioned bastards out of the works.
Oh, and noticing the WB die comment. Fuck man, Oda ruined his own story by having Pell not die, or a fanbase that could just get over a guy surviving a bomb. I mean, fuck, after all this time does a superhuman zoan user survive a bomb really mean anything? We've seen people survive attacks bigger then that thing now–what's the point. What is the point, aside from being emo.
First, do you think WB isn't going to die at the end of this arc? Does anybody think that WB isn't going to die in Marinford? Hell, its only been heavily foreshadowed and referenced by Big Eddie himself.
And second, I realize that Pell surviving the bomb blast is kinda minor at this point considering I gave a pretty healthy list of all the "OMG!11! I CANT BELEIVE HE LIVED THRO THAT!!!" moments since Alabasta. The point is that I don't see Ace dying. He's going to pull through this and escape to the New World with the rest of the soon-to-be orphans.
Finally, you better step off because I know Jew Jitsu.
I like Ace and don't necessarily want him to die either, but think about how One Piece would take a much needed turn of direction if a main character actually died…
IMO, it almost seems like Oda wants to end this arc to get to something else. I'm not defending some of these obvious flaws, but I do also think the movie took a major toll on him and that may have something to do with why the chapters haven't been as creamy as usual for the past two months or so. Still, at least this war has had far better pacing than the war with Bleach and Naruto so far, lol.
Actually I do have a feeling that in this arc, we will finally see a present day death. And the death of a main character would give the story an amazing twist, but I'm just saying, Ace is one of my favorite characters so if he dies I would be slightly mad. I guess it just depends on the direction the story takes from there…
Not quite burn fire, think of it as putting it out.
If you think about it lava/magma is just molten rock/earth ("watery"), so if that runs through some fire and cools off it'll put it out. Thats what i think.
Edit: Also, if you put fire against lava, it'll just grow hotter and its basically runny (really really) hot rock/earth.
you made me think of something even though i could hardly make out what you were trying to say…..
we all kno that water/blood can hurt logia's and theres been debate that any liquid does this. well if lava is a liquid form or rock (even though is super hot) its still a liquid and might b able to hurt logias? but in this case we could say the same thing for mallagen so maybe im just talking out my ass =/
you made me think of something even though i could hardly make out what you were trying to say…..
we all kno that water/blood can hurt logia's and theres been debate that any liquid does this. well if lava is a liquid form or rock (even though is super hot) its still a liquid and might b able to hurt logias? but in this case we could say the same thing for mallagen so maybe im just talking out my ass =/
The Water/Blood thing only really applied to Crocodile, and maybe Eneru and Ace. Nice theory, though.
The magma vs fire thing is a matter of how strong the fire is.
Since lava is a solid thing it has advantage against a weak fire. But if the fire is strong enough the lava would disintegrate.
I don't have any physics knowledge, but I guess fire is more or less energy being released, if the amount of energy is big enough the magma won't have a chance (In other words: Ace is a weak sissy, that's why he can't unleash the true potential of his DF)
Ahhh, can't go through 36 pages of posts, sorry.
I have to agree I don't see ace dying. I'm an ace fan, but that doesn't have that much to do with it. I feel like it would be BS if he died after everyone went through all that. Maybe this is just to show luffy do something amazing, I don't know. But the thing that bothers me is that ace's card didn't disappear completely and if luffy can come back from being smothered in poison with hormones the OP world must have something convenient to save ace.
Will have to see next week. sigh I guess I'm just saying I'll be surprised if he dies. I do expect whitebeard to kick the bucket though. Shame, that.
The magma vs fire thing is a matter of how strong the fire is.
Since lava is a solid thing it has advantage against a weak fire. But if the fire is strong enough the lava would disintegrate.
I don't have any physics knowledge, but I guess fire is more or less energy being released, if the amount of energy is big enough the magma won't have a chance (In other words: Ace is a weak sissy, that's why he can't unleash the true potential of his DF)
you could have said boy unicorns are faster then girls because their hooves are smaller…. we have no way to prove any of this
you made me think of something even though i could hardly make out what you were trying to say…..
we all kno that water/blood can hurt logia's and theres been debate that any liquid does this. well if lava is a liquid form or rock (even though is super hot) its still a liquid and might b able to hurt logias? but in this case we could say the same thing for mallagen so maybe im just talking out my ass =/
Water/Blood can hurt logias? I didn't know that besides Crocboy lol (or its Sea water)…so if you were covered in blood, you'd be able to hit Kizaru?
You have to think about their power's properties. Ace is fire he can evaporate any water thrown at him. He cant do that with Akainu because the form and density of lava/magma. If Ace went against Magellan he would be able to evaporate the liquid type of poison that Magellan puts out.
Water/Blood can hurt logias? I didn't know that besides Crocboy lol (or its Sea water)…so if you were covered in blood, you'd be able to hit Kizaru?
You have to think about their power's properties. Ace is fire he can evaporate any water thrown at him. He cant do that with Akainu because the form and density of lava/magma. If Ace went against Magellan he would be able to evaporate the liquid type of poison that Magellan puts out.
because you know this for fact? plz dont talk like this is anything but speculation…..
because you know this for fact? plz dont talk like this is anything but speculation…..
You can say that :P. Just think about it…
Poison comes in different types yes? Liquid form and Gas. If you throw some Viper's venom (liquid form) into fire, what will it do? Evaporate into gas. And according to what we've seen in the Manga and Anime, Magellan's deadliest attacks are liquid based.
Now to add onto what Baldulf said, If Ace could get as hot as he can like turn his fire's color into white (Hottest fire can get) anything in its path can disintegrate, I.E. Akainu.
You can say that :P. Just think about it…
Poison comes in different types yes? Liquid form and Gas. If you throw some Viper's venom (liquid form) into fire, what will it do? Evaporate into gas. And according to what we've seen in the Manga and Anime, Magellan's deadliest attacks are liquid based.
Now to add onto what Baldulf said, If Ace could get as hot as he can like turn his fire's color into white (Hottest fire can get) anything in its path can disintegrate, I.E. Akainu.
I guess if ace lives long enough to push his DF to that level but even if a fight Ace v Mallagen did happen mal can still control himself in gas forum and even logias have to breathe =)
Mallagen has one of the most deadliest DF in One Piece. One touch of that stuff and you are gone.
I guess if ace lives long enough to push his DF to that level but even if a fight Ace v Mallagen did happen mal can still control himself in gas forum and even logias have to breathe =)
Hahah you forgot about the masks :P.
I didn't know flames only came from matches.
Flames from something like a Bunsen Burner is just as hot as any magma at around 1,500 degrees celsius.
The idea of fire being burned just doesn't sound right.
But I like the idea of there being some hierarchy to the powers.
That was obviously just an example. :getlost:
@Shaman:
i have a question lava really burn fire or is that a shonen "hahahaha i have power that makes no sense but doesn't need to be" because that made me do the rock eye brow when i read that.
I'm not going to try and claim I know all people, but I'm smart enough to at least know what I'm talking about and do a little research to back up my claims. One should if they are going to post something, after all.
As I said before, this is Shonen and stuff is over-exaggerated, but there is some truth. Yes, there's no proof that fire is hotter than fire, because as you all said, it depends on the situation. There is no limit to how much heat a substance can generate, assuming their electrons are excited enough. Fire is actually more dangerous because it spreads quickly, is light and can get stronger with wind factor.
Thing is though, lava has a much greater density. So it makes sense that it can smother fire. Think of it as a larger amount of fire "molded" into the form of a liquid, or something to that effect.
Anyway, there's no point in thinking any further into this than that. Just thought I would throw in my two cents.
As for the other topic, I do feel that the entire mood of OP would change if a person were to die in present day. It would set a much darker tone for the second half of the series, but I think it could work good if Oda does it right, and we know he's capable.
Hectic few days at work rewarded with a good as chapter.
pic related (to the chapter).
So, how do you guys see this being resolved in the next chapter?
Ace dying: This is highly unlikely, IMHO. It will be crazy for him to die after all that has happened so far. Don't know what effect it will have on Luffy. Will he be scarred for the rest of his life? Accept it and move on? Rage against the WG?
Akainu dying: Ace will rise to the occasion and prove that the magma > fire bullshit is indeed bullshit.
Akainu dying: But in this case, WB/Marco/Jinbei etc will help Ace and tag team against him.
Everyone survives: Marco/Jibei/Iva will come to the rescue and pull out Ace and Luffy in time. But this will add Akainu to Ace's assassination list, along with BB.
Any other possibilities I am missing?
I personally think it will be 2 or 3. Someone needs to die from the marine side too!
You missed possible last minute outsiders joining the war.
I dont see why anyone thinks Ace will die. Look at the chapter again, after he is "Burned" by the admirals lava we see his body completely and he has no burn. Most likely explanation for the Logias can hurt logias theory is that they can cause damage but that damage that can be felt but it can still be regenerated, but you lost the stamina of taking a hit.
You missed possible last minute outsiders joining the war.
Straw Hats anyone? Mr 2? :ninja:
Straw Hats anyone? Mr 2? :ninja:
I think the reference was to the Blackbeard Pirates, actually.
Actually it could be ANYONE or any GROUP. Heck, even new character/s might pop out of nowhere. :happy:
Ok, lets see:
Pirate reinforcements join (SH or other Supernova's or Mr.2 or whatever): IMHO, their role will be simply to evacuate the pirates. They won't have any direct impact on the Ace-Akainu fight. At the most, they will make 4 more likely, because the chances of escape have improved drastically.
Blackbeard joins: Ugh, this is totally unpredictable. Everything BB does is unpredictable :(. He may side with the marines and assist in killing Ace, he may help the WB pirates escape and redeem himself, he may join for just keeping the title and kill a few random pirates. Or he may make such a spectacle that everyone is dumbstruck.
I'm torn between Ace manning up, overcoming the odds, and dealing with Akainu himself, or Whitebeard saving him like Shanks did with Luffy in chapter 1. Those two ideas have the most basis in my eyes.
I do think more people will show up at the war before people start leaving, but I don't think it'll be integral to the current Ace/Akainu confrontation.
ey i doubt that ace will die his fan bace is pritty strong, however i do think that luffy will like use haki agian on ankiru and maybe even get a direct hit in, that or whitebeard enters and fights him.