but it seems like all of usopps exaggerations seem to come true, other than the followers and what not.
Wait for it..
it's coming
but it seems like all of usopps exaggerations seem to come true, other than the followers and what not.
Wait for it..
it's coming
Pirates worth billions.
When Aokiji first showed up, in the scanlation currently on Onemanga, Usopp asked the question "Why is a marine admiral after small fry like us? He should be after the pirates worth billions!"
This is apparently a mistranslation, but it IS where the idea originates from that the highest level pirates are worth billions.
To those speculating how much Luffy's bounty will rise… Yes, secret Moria beating, Tenryubiito, ID, revealed brotherhood of Ace/son of Dragon, and now the war, are each and every one a reason to raise his bounty, plus whatever else he may do in the chapters to come. But here's the thing.
The HUGE increase after W7, came because he declared war on the goverment with his crew. Beating up Lucchi isn't what got him the raised bounty. It was a factor. But, burning the marine flag, and activley protecting Robin and Franky the two people who could someday unleash a super Ancient Weapon, plus having an entire crew of bountied individuals, are huge factors in that.
They already knew from his beating up Buggy, Arlong, Krieg and Crocadile that he was physically tough, but his challenging a Shichi in and of itself was only a 70 million increase, the first time he was shown capable and willing of fighting and defeating a shichi, even though they seemed aware that he wasn't doing that to go against the marines, but to go against Croc specificially.
He will get a bounty increase, theres no way for him not to at this juncture, especially with the Tenryubiito wanting him. But I don't think it will be as huge as some people are predicting, simply because
A) the rest of the crew could never catch up and
B) while he can get ahead of the other Supernova, they need to remain competative bounty wise, because
C) there needs to be room to grow for the remaining 8-10? years of the series and
D) Luffy's already on the most-wanted list and has already had the highest level guys (multiple shichi and multiple admirals) sent after him.
We don't know what the high end yonkou and crew bounties are so we don't really know what the widest range is, but Luffy needs to stay in the "rookie" range for a while yet. Especially considering the highest bounty we've seen is Flamingo's at 340 million (frozen former bounty, but still the highest we've seen) If Luffy was about to get a ridiculous jump, then some of the other supernova should have been a bit higher and Kidd should have had a 400-500 million bounty instead of what, 320?
But no, all of Luffy's contemporaries, including Shichi and the highest revealed bounty so far, are between 100-340 million, and Hancock's is 80 and Croc's fomer was 81! The highest "speculative" bounty we've seen is Enel's 500 million, with his logia "destroy everything superiority complex" Luffy going beyond that is feasible, and a huge deal can be made about it. But despite all he's done, I can't see his going past 500 million, just simply due to what every other pirate in the series has been shown to have so far.
(On the other hand, their boat cost 300 mill and Caimie at auction was going to sell for 500 mill, so they aren't completley insane prices on things, but still…)
One possibility is going the Lone Wolf and Cub route... The Government raises his bounty to say, 500 million... and the Tenryubiito offer a BONUS reward of another 500,000,000. Thus skyrocketing Luffy's technical bounty, but keeping it within the realm of what we've seen so far and the actuallevel of threat he's percieved to be.
Another is that they suddenly unveil the "Top 10 most wanted lists", and we finally see what the upper tiers merit and exactly where Luffy really fits in the scheme of things, even after a huge increase.
Raising Luffy's bounty isn't going to get more/better competant bounty hunters after him, and its not going to indicate any more of a threat to the governement, they already want him pretty badly and he already got his massive increase after declaring war.
What it will do I think, is get Smoker the authority and backing he needs to put together an elite Strawhat hunting group like he wanted to do a while back.
Now, the "great Captain Buggy", 20 year schemer, companion of Yankou Shanks, mastermind of the Impel Down breakout, student of Gold Roger, Friend of Ace, battler of Mihawk, man with 200 strong followers (who are each and every one high bounty criminals in the 20-100 mill range, all surpassing his previous crew and even Buggy's own bounty) who has managed to stay under the radar till now... HIS increase should be really interesting to see. THAT might get a crazy jump simply due to the impression hes been a secret mastermind for 20 years and hey, this is pretty much HIS first official "declaration of war" on the goverment now.
@robbybevard:
Pirates worth billions.
When Aokiji first showed up, in the scanlation currently on Onemanga, Usopp asked the question "Why is a marine admiral after small fry like us? He should be after the pirates worth billions!"
This is apparently a mistranslation, but it IS where the idea originates from that the highest level pirates are worth billions.
To those speculating how much Luffy's bounty will rise… Yes, secret Moria beating, Tenryubiito, ID, revealed brotherhood of Ace/son of Dragon, and now the war, are each and every one a reason to raise his bounty, plus whatever else he may do in the chapters to come. But here's the thing.
The HUGE increase after W7, came because he declared war on the goverment with his crew. Beating up Lucchi isn't what got him the raised bounty. It was a factor. But, burning the marine flag, and activley protecting Robin and Franky the two people who could someday unleash a super Ancient Weapon, plus having an entire crew of bountied individuals, are huge factors in that.
They already knew from his beating up Buggy, Arlong, Krieg and Crocadile that he was physically tough, but his challenging a Shichi in and of itself was only a 70 million increase, the first time he was shown capable and willing of fighting and defeating a shichi, even though they seemed aware that he wasn't doing that to go against the marines, but to go against Croc specificially.
He will get a bounty increase, theres no way for him not to at this juncture, especially with the Tenryubiito wanting him. But I don't think it will be as huge as some people are predicting, simply because
A) the rest of the crew could never catch up and
B) while he can get ahead of the other Supernova, they need to remain competative bounty wise, because
C) there needs to be room to grow for the remaining 8-10? years of the series and
D) Luffy's already on the most-wanted list and has already had the highest level guys (multiple shichi and multiple admirals) sent after him.We don't know what the high end yonkou and crew bounties are so we don't really know what the widest range is, but Luffy needs to stay in the "rookie" range for a while yet. Especially considering the highest bounty we've seen is Flamingo's at 340 million (frozen former bounty, but still the highest we've seen) If Luffy was about to get a ridiculous jump, then some of the other supernova should have been a bit higher and Kidd should have had a 400-500 million bounty instead of what, 320?
But no, all of Luffy's contemporaries, including Shichi and the highest revealed bounty so far, are between 100-340 million (and Hancock's is 80 and Croc's fomer was 81!) Luffy going beyond that is completley feasible, and a huge deal can be made about it. But despite all he's done, I can't see his going past 500 million, just simply due to what every other pirate in the series has been shown to have so far.
(On the other hand, their boat cost 300 mill and Caimie at auction was going to sell for 500 mill, so they aren't completley insane prices on things, but still…)
Raising Luffy's bounty isn't going to get more/better competant bounty hunters after him, and its not going to indicate any more of a threat to the governement, they already want him pretty badly and he already got his massive increase after declaring war.
What it will do I think, is get Smoker the authority and backing he needs to put together an elite Strawhat hunting group like he wanted to do a while back.
Now, the "great Captain Buggy", 20 year schemer, companion of Yankou Shanks, mastermind of the Impel Down breakout, student of Gold Roger, Friend of Ace, battler of Mihawk, man with 200 strong followers (who are each and every one high bounty criminals in the 20-100 mill range, all surpassing his previous crew and even Buggy's own bounty) who has managed to stay under the radar till now... HIS increase should be really interesting to see. THAT might get a crazy jump simply due to the impression hes been a secret mastermind for 20 years and hey, this is pretty much HIS first official "declaration of war" on the goverment now.
I agree, my speculation for Luffys bounty was also to be around 500mil. Not that it really matters, but Kidds bounty was 315mil. The whole "his first bounty up was so big because it declared war on the government" is a good point that I think a lot of people, even me at first, overlook. I hope Buggy gets his crazy increase giving him Yonkou/near Yonkou respect.
Btw, your dogs head spinning freaked me out the first time I saw it.
I agree, my speculation for Luffys bounty was also to be around 500mil. Not that it really matters, but Kidds bounty was 315mil. The whole "his first bounty up was so big because it declared war on the government" is a good point that I think a lot of people, even me at first, overlook. I hope Buggy gets his crazy increase giving him Yonkou/near Yonkou respect.
Btw, your dogs head spinning freaked me out the first time I saw it.
Agreed he won't go in the billions. Law got his bounty so high because he is more of an actual pirate that commits attrocities on civilians, but Luffy got the bulk of his bounty from that his anti-WG stance.
And for me it was the blinking of the dog.. scary
Agreed he won't go in the billions. Law got his bounty so high because he is more of an actual pirate that commits attrocities on civilians, but Luffy got the bulk of his bounty from that his anti-WG stance.
And for me it was the blinking of the dog.. scary
I think you mean Kid, because the reasoning behind Laws bounty was not revealed.
I think that they will not execute Ace yet.. I guess they plan to resume broadcast of Ace's execution after they got rid of all annoyances such as white beard, the new world captains' alliance, and luffy within that time frame. After all, it is not a public execution if it's not seen on tv, I guess.
noone thinks of the poor little Tele Mushis, they'd like to run too, but they can't -they don't have legs…
I think you mean Kid, because the reasoning behind Laws bounty was not revealed.
ye I meant the redhead, can't keep em apart, you're right it is Kid
Keep in mind though that when Luffy gets a bounty, it's (one of) the highest known at the time. When Luffy got his 30 million bounty, it was the highest known at the time; when he got the 100 million bounty, it was the highest known at the time (known before the World Government meeting); when he got the 300 million bounty, it was the highest known active bounty at the time (and second only to Doflamingo's). If the pattern continues, Luffy will receive a bounty that is the highest known (or close to it) and in the next arc or two, it will reveal some higher bounties.
Keep in mind though that when Luffy gets a bounty, it's (one of) the highest known at the time. When Luffy got his 30 million bounty, it was the highest known at the time; when he got the 100 million bounty, it was the highest known at the time (known before the World Government meeting); when he got the 300 million bounty, it was the highest known active bounty at the time (and second only to Doflamingo's). If the pattern continues, Luffy will receive a bounty that is the highest known (or close to it) and in the next arc or two, it will reveal some higher bounties.
Minor correction on the 100 million thing. Dorry and Brogy already had that bounty a long before he got it so the reader were arleady familiar with such an bounty amount for quite a while before Luffy got one himself.
Oh yeah, I forgot the 2 giants both had 100 million bounties. Okay, so Luffy was tied for highest known bounty when he first got his second bounty.
what a nice new pirate crew. Was your captain kicked out of the omegas? :)
No, he knows Zkaiser in real life and he told him that he was going to branch off. pwnobi says there's no hard feelings between them.
Confusing:
the execution is starting already but the text in the last panel states that there are 1 hour and a half left?
Why don't they just shoot him if they want to make it quick?
Maybe i'm the only who thinks it, but its probably another to make Ace suffer, forcing him to watch on as his comrades & old man are wiped out, leaving him a broken man before he is executed.
If they were to execute Ace early, there'd be no more reason for Whietbeard to hold back, he'd obliterate Marine HQ with 1 attack.
If they were to execute Ace early, there'd be no more reason for Whietbeard to hold back, he'd obliterate Marine HQ with 1 attack.
Except that all his crewmates are still on the battlefield?
Maybe i'm the only who thinks it, but its probably another to make Ace suffer, forcing him to watch on as his comrades & old man are wiped out, leaving him a broken man before he is executed.
If they were to execute Ace early, there'd be no more reason for Whietbeard to hold back, he'd obliterate Marine HQ with 1 attack.
Since Ace is ashamed of the fact that he is Roger's son and wants to make WB the Pirate King, I see no reason why they would want to make him suffer. I could understand if he let his status go to his head and acted like he was God's gift to the sea, but he doesn't.
I don't think WB would attempt to destroy the Marine HQ at this point. His own crew and allies are so far into the battlefield, that any major attack by WB would probably kill a vast majority of them.
Plus, the Pacifista army behind them serves two purposes. One, strategically advantageous. Two, I believe it was also meant to prevent WB from retreating when they do execute Ace. Why would WB stay and risk the whole of his crew and allies when he has already "lost" the war?
i still think ace is just a pawn in this war,and sengoku used him to bring Wb and his crew to a place where they coudnt run away,especially now with the px army is there.
sengoku is the tactician dont forget.
why is the guy from page 13 of this chapter getting so much damn attention. he's just a background character.
i still think ace is just a pawn in this war
No shit Sherlock, kudos for figuring something out that was already established in the manga.
i still think ace is just a pawn in this war,and sengoku used him to bring Wb and his crew to a place where they coudnt run away,especially now with the px army is there.
sengoku is the tactician dont forget.
Thats what most of us beleived, but after knowing Aces heritage, and even having Sengoku say, he hopes Whitebeard chooses not to attack, and stressing the importance of ending the Pirate Kings heritage, and giving people closure that the era is coming to an end, was the main point.
@RPG:
why is the guy from page 13 of this chapter getting so much damn attention. he's just a background character.
I'm with you. It's only the effect of a df power. If you look well, the old pirate captain woman is the one who controls that thing.
Since Ace is ashamed of the fact that he is Roger's son and wants to make WB the Pirate King, I see no reason why they would want to make him suffer. I could understand if he let his status go to his head and acted like he was God's gift to the sea, but he doesn't.
He is a pirate, he is the son of Roger, they are sadistic bastards. They wanted to kill him when he was a child, it shows how low they really are. They want to make him suffer.
i wonder if it's Sengoku (Marines) or the Gorusei who initially started this child hunt.
I have some predictions for you:
1. We get definitely the scene to see, where the axe is falling down on Ace's neck and then it is stopped!!! The one to stop it will be Monkey D. Garp.
2. One more ship will come up from the waters. It will be Silvers Rayleigh on the Thousand Sunny. The ship's coating will be special.
3. Whitebeard will heavily injure one Admiral (Akainu), but will be finally stopped by Sengoku.
4. The pacifistas will kill many pirates and also some marines as colateral damage.
5. Luffy will take the opportunity to free Ace as Senkogu and the other admirals will be busy with Whitebeard and Garp.
6. It will take two admirals to stop Garp.
7. Silvers will use his ability to stop Ace from staying and dying alongside with Whitebeard. He will also help Luffy and Ace to escape.
Nah, Garp wont be fighting any of his fellow marines, or rescuing Ace. He is a true blue Marine.
Nah, Garp wont be fighting any of his fellow marines, or rescuing Ace. He is a true blue Marine.
Yes, but family is different. You saw how conflicted he was a few chapters back, he shed tears over this whole thing. He may or may not have a part to play. He may or may not, we'll have to see….
@Rockin'Bookworm:
I have some predictions for you:
1. We get definitely the scene to see, where the axe is falling down on Ace's neck and then it is stopped!!! The one to stop it will be Monkey D. Garp.
2. One more ship will come up from the waters. It will be Silvers Rayleigh on the Thousand Sunny. The ship's coating will be special.
3. Whitebeard will heavily injure one Admiral (Akainu), but will be finally stopped by Sengoku.
4. The pacifistas will kill many pirates and also some marines as colateral damage.
5. Luffy will take the opportunity to free Ace as Senkogu and the other admirals will be busy with Whitebeard and Garp.
6. It will take two admirals to stop Garp.
7. Silvers will use his ability to stop Ace from staying and dying alongside with Whitebeard. He will also help Luffy and Ace to escape.
But Silver is the target of the SH, and the the SH won't show up in the MHQ
How can WB seriously injured an admiral, we still did not not how WB has Haki , the admmiral must be drown in the sea
Is Sengok a Fighter? I don't know?
i just think this chapter is the end of arc. the narrator boxes says also
But Silver is the target of the SH, and the the SH won't show up in the MHQ
How can WB seriously injured an admiral, we still did not not how WB has Haki , the admmiral must be drown in the sea
Is Sengok a Fighter? I don't know?
i just think this chapter is the end of arc. the narrator boxes says also
We know WB slapped the crap out of ace in fire mode so we know he can take care of Logias. The Admirals can probably put up a good fight for him though.
Sengoku must have some fighting skills, he may not be on an admiral level any more, due to his age. But the fact is he was an admiral at one point.
Also it does appear very likely Garp will get involved with some how helping Ace because of the grief he is showing, but he did say if he could have he would have. Thats why I assume he will not attempt to save Ace, or help to execute him. He just might stay neutral, aside from fighting pirates who come his way of course.
I'm thinking Garp will remain neutral in this war since he is conflicted and he is a "true, blue marine".
If Garp went and pulled a "Darth Vader giving the finger to Palpatine" he would have to:
a) Quit the marines and become a pirate (not likely)
b) Die in this war (wich would be a shame)
no I think garp will stop the blade aiming at ace then will surender himself without a fight (just enough time for luffy to save his brother). He is a marine but family is family and I would love a "sorry sengoku I can't let you do that, I've made a promise to the PK"
They`re not going to kill Ace early. At least not if Sengoku can help it.
WB acknowledged his honor and when two old farts that are enemies acknowledge their adversary, its a trait that won
t be broken.
With the Pacifista's attacking from the back of the pirates I think a pincer attack is coming.
I actually think the Thousand Sunny with Rayleigh on it theory by Rockin' is reasonable. So, I'm hoping it's more than a theory ;D.
The 10 most wanted in the one piece world? The reveal of that list has a fangasm attached to it.
The list before the start of the war must have the Yonkou, Dragon, Kishinsh.. Gold Lion, and Rayleigh
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but what if the horrible thing to come was that the pirates won and the World Government fell right here right now? The government doesn't have much influence in the New World anyways, so it's not like they would be playing a major role in the future. We've also seen almost everything that the government has to offer. All the major players except Vegapunk are fighting in the War right now, including Admirals, Vice Admirals, and Sengoku. We've seen the Buster Call, Impel Down, and their best, Cipher Col, #9, all of which have been undermined by the Luffy and his crew.
I think that the war is going to be a Nice Job Breaking It Hero scenario. The majority of the world still are on the side of the World Government. Collapse of this stability could lead to chaos around the world. Any powerful criminals or weaponry that the World Government has been keeping under control could now have the opportunity to come out and cause havoc. It would definitely echo Nami during the Kuro saga. Pirates like Luffy are the exception to the rule. Piracy without the fear of the World Government would definitely be worse than the current situation in the world.
It would definitly be an unexpected twist that would alter the story's direction. It would be a risky move but I think Oda has the storytelling abilities to pull it off.
I actually think the Thousand Sunny with Rayleigh on it theory by Rockin' is reasonable. So, I'm hoping it's more than a theory ;D.
Not just Rayleigh but also maybe the whole gang! Then, it will be flashback chapters on how each SH escape their situations on the way to Shabaody, I guess.
@ultimateclima:
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but what if the horrible thing to come was that the pirates won and the World Government fell right here right now? The government doesn't have much influence in the New World anyways, so it's not like they would be playing a major role in the future. We've also seen almost everything that the government has to offer. All the major players except Vegapunk are fighting in the War right now, including Admirals, Vice Admirals, and Sengoku. We've seen the Buster Call, Impel Down, and their best, Cipher Col, #9, all of which have been undermined by the Luffy and his crew.
I think that the war is going to be a Nice Job Breaking It Hero scenario. The majority of the world still are on the side of the World Government. Collapse of this stability could lead to chaos around the world. Any powerful criminals or weaponry that the World Government has been keeping under control could now have the opportunity to come out and cause havoc. It would definitely echo Nami during the Kuro saga. Pirates like Luffy are the exception to the rule. Piracy without the fear of the World Government would definitely be worse than the current situation in the world.
It would definitly be an unexpected twist that would alter the story's direction. It would be a risky move but I think Oda has the storytelling abilities to pull it off.
The problem (or one of them) with this line of thinking is that most problems that result from that scenario would really only affect the first half of the Grand Line, which we just finished traversing, so the protagonists won't actually be dealing with any of it. And, as you noted, the World Government has little influence in the New World, winning this war would potentially give them more influence, allowing them to continue being relevant in the story. And there's still Vegapunk (and the Ancient Weapons <.< >.> ) to deal with
I'm hoping for Luffy or Buggy to g into Haki mode.
BTW: Did anybody notice the clues in the series that Buggy could use King's Disposition?
I'm hoping for Buggy to g into Haki mode.
BTW: Did anybody notice the clues in the series that Buggy could use King's Disposition?
What made you think it is a mode? What made you think buggy would be able to use it?
I don't know about the mode thing but Buggy obviously has the king's disposition.
As does pwngoat.
@Uncle:
I don't know about the mode thing but Buggy obviously has the king's disposition.
As does pwngoat.
Oh no. Pwngoat does NOT have King's Disposition. Does King's Disposition disintegrate anyone that the user stares down regardless of their Haki strength? No it does not.
Pwngoat has Alien Warlord Zinu haki. Otherwise known as Tom Cruise haki.
Otherwise known as Tom Cruise haki.
It bores you to death? God, that's a terrible weapon, indeed.
I'm hoping for Luffy or Buggy to g into Haki mode.
BTW: Did anybody notice the clues in the series that Buggy could use King's Disposition?
Whoa, lorenzo, haven't seen you in a while.
I hope Buggy can't use Hockey, I haven't seen any of these clues you're talking about. I just hope that Hockey isn't some kind of powerup that's used all the time like Gear 2, more like just a skill to allow Logias to get hit. I might even be okay with it being used sort of like an attack, did Sentoumaru use it to push? Well I guess we'll see…
Guys, guys, guys.
There's a chapter this week. Come on.
bounties would just be stupidly big though bounties aren't based on strength (lol tell bellemy that)
Actually the bounties are tied directly to strength, though someone with a lesser bounty could beat someone with a higher bounty it is only because he is less known or hasn't done anything worth giving him a big bounty, notice the stronger a person is the higher their bounty seems to be, The WG gives bounties based on three things
1. Their danger to the WG.
2. The atrocities they have commited.
3. Their strength.
my guess ist 800 million for Luffy
100 million for crocodile and EastBlue
200 Million for EL
100 million for Moria
200 million for ID
200 million for MHQmake 800 million
maybe a little over the top lol
I agree that the numbers make sense too. However we've never seen anyone even at 400mil before, I'm guessing Luffys new bounty will be like 500mil.
Actually Mihawks is 600,000,000, Whitebeards isn't known it is put as Top Secret, Doflamingo's is 340,000,000, Dragons is 850,000,000, Shanks is 700,000,000
and so on.
eh i recently realised that the bounties may have been fake but i was told them lol
I just hope we get to meet some really strong bounty hunters in the future.. because right now all those high bounties just seem like a way to flatter pirates' egos.
All of Baroques Works, Zoro and his buddies, SA guys, Fling Fish Freaks and more
Though i guess their were all pretty weak.
800 Million actually does sound about right if you think about it. Luffy almost single handedly brought down the greatest prison in the world. On top of that, the havoc he's wrecked at Marineford so far is legit enough to get him a bounty around 800 million. Factoring in the fact that we probably aren't even halfway done this arc, 800 million really isn't all that high a number.
Also, he knocked the fuck out of a Celestial Dragon. That's gotta be worth something.
Actually Mihawks is 600,000,000, Whitebeards isn't known it is put as Top Secret, Doflamingo's is 340,000,000, Dragons is 850,000,000, Shanks is 700,000,000
Fake, fake, fake. Doflamingo's 340 million bounty is still the highest known bounty (Eustass Kid's 315 million bounty is the highest known active bounty).
Mihawk's bounty hasn't been revealed yet. Neither has Dragon's or Shank's.
Actually Mihawks is 600,000,000, Whitebeards isn't known it is put as Top Secret, Doflamingo's is 340,000,000, Dragons is 850,000,000, Shanks is 700,000,000
and so on.Heh. What the hell is this?
I REALLLLY want to see like each member come back with some BAMF new skills and/or especially new crewmates.
And Im interested in Buggy's future, whether he could gain the talent to become a Yonkou and rival luffy or if he'd more appropriately join luffy's crew which would be awesome! he and ussop could get along well and be technological creatures on the ship!