Well, one thing's for sure, Kumadori is about to experience an entirely new threshold of pain if Chopper gets a direct hit on him in that new form….
Chapter 407 "Monster" Discussion
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Chopper looks creepy like that…I wonder if he'll learn to control it at some point?
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Actually, I remember someone around here mentioning that maybe Kalipha's fruit was having the power of what she touches. Acually, holy crap, that actually works! She attacked Nami with bubbles while in a bubble bath, and turned Sanji into glass when touching her glasses! Anyway, if this were the case, she could be a chameleon, couldn't she?
true, but that DOESN'T explain how nami can't move, unless kalipha beat the crap outta her.
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Another point is that in no way is it a chameleon fruit. We know that Zoan fruit powers, although their natural ability is amplified in some cases (super fast digging, extremely smart human) they have no other new abilities. Therefore, it is stupid to think that a chameleon power will allow people to secrete a substance they touch. Totally senseless.
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Just read a scanlation of this chapter, it seems when Chopper transformed into that 'monster' he destroyed a village or so Kureha said, but for some reason that doesn't get into my head.
…but if ya ask me Kumadori better Sepuku himself rather than face Chopper's monster form. -
One thing is interesting. Chopper would've had to have levelled that town in 3 minutes (or less assuming the ball's powers remain the same or decrease in time). That's freaking strong.
I still think Kumadori will put up a good fight with his fast skills that all CP9 members are fluent with. It seems like the only edge Kumadori has now is speed against this dopey, slow looking Chopper with monsterous strength.
I wonder if Chopper can easily break through the Tekkai (spelling?)
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Okay, I'm also guessing that Kalifa has a bubble bubble fruit. Maybe the reason why Sanji was so shiny was because Kalifa put him inside a bubble that she can manipulate into whatever shape she likes. (Not just any regular bubble of course, since we're talking about a DF here, so it's probably very strong) And since bubbles don't last long, the effect wears off (maybe after a few minutes), that's why Nami was able to move afterwards. It's probably something Nami didn't see since she didn't know what the hell Kalifa did to her. She was really wet though. (which I believe has nothing to do with naked Kalifa taking a bath )
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Or perhaps Oda just likes to tease the perverted Manga readers with a random nude woman every now and then.
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As you can see I´m a Sanji fan, but if he don´t get Jabura I won´t be dissapointed, because most of us know how strong he is and I agree that Usopp hast to prove himself like Nami and Chopper
The only thing that piss me of that Sanji never got an important fight since Mr.2. Why Oda can´t give him a hard fight instead of Zoro? Zoro always have one and I know when Zoro don´t get a fight in one arc than most of the Zoro-fans will cry, why the hell Oda don´t give him a fight and let him do some other things. Don´t get me wrong I love Zoro but he also could take one out like Sanji does since Arabasta
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To be honest I also thought kalifa taking a bath was quite random (unless it's explained somehow later) it would be like checking to see how robin's doing then suddenly seeing lucci doing a strip tease. Anyway I think we might actually see chopper live up to his name, I think he may be able to generate a vast amount of air thrust with the right footwork and arms outstreatched somehow (or maybe just 'chopper smash and bash'.). After having another look at last weeks chapter the thing someone mentioned about somehow transferring the effects of being in water to their opponent seems possible but if that's the case (a) where would it be classed logia, paramecia certainly not zoan plus this would be a plot hole,
'Flowing water does nothing though, meaning that DF users are not in danger from having their strength drained when it rains, or when showering'.
(although taking a bath may be different I dunno).Also kumadori says something like 'it's unseen for a lion to be shown murcy'…hmmm he might be eating those words amongst other things.
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@SanG:
As you can see I´m a Sanji fan, but if he don´t get Jabura I won´t be dissapointed, because most of us know how strong he is and I agree that Usopp hast to prove himself like Nami and Chopper
The only thing that piss me of that Sanji never got an important fight since Mr.2. Why Oda can´t give him a hard fight instead of Zoro? Zoro always have one and I know when Zoro don´t get a fight in one arc than most of the Zoro-fans will cry, why the hell Oda don´t give him a fight and let him do some other things. Don´t get me wrong I love Zoro but he also could take one out like Sanji does since Arabasta
yeah I agree w/ ya man….
I aint no sanji fan but I like d way he kicks asssss....
im really hoping he'd have an important fight soon enough!
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still, he did kick butt on the train to enies lobby, and he may still kick some butt at enies lobby, so im not werried. the train was alot. and if he doesn't get more, he'll get some after this.
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Another point is that in no way is it a chameleon fruit. We know that Zoan fruit powers, although their natural ability is amplified in some cases (super fast digging, extremely smart human) they have no other new abilities. Therefore, it is stupid to think that a chameleon power will allow people to secrete a substance they touch. Totally senseless.
Err… I didn't mean a chameleon fruit. I just meant that'd be the animal she is like, like how Fukuro is an owl, Kumadori is a lion, and Blueno is a bull when none of them have Owl Owl fruit, Lion Lion fruit, or Bull Bull fruit.
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To be honest I also thought kalifa taking a bath was quite random (unless it's explained somehow later) it would be like checking to see how robin's doing then suddenly seeing lucci doing a strip tease.
Priceless comment, not at all a bad idea, actually.
I've been considering the fact that Calipha may have a transfer fruit. If she did transfre the properties of her glasses to Sanji, maybe, during her bath scene, she was transferring the effects of a bath on herself (as a DF user) to Nami, who was thus unable to move. I'd call it the Karma Karma no Mi, a Paramecia.
But the main problem is that Calipha's powers shouldn't work at all while she's submerged. I understood that scene the other way round: Calipha's influence over Nami started declining from the moment she entered the bath, so by the time she was getting out, Nami was able to move again.
Anyway, I'm loving the way Oda is keeping the suspense and making us rack our brains about Cali-chan's ability as much as Nami must be doing right now. master story-teller indeed.
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^– It looks like it's the other way around. Whilst in the bath, Nami couldn't move. As she left the bath though, Nami was regaining her strength....
Could have something to do with transfer... I don't know. Nami's comment about "losing her strength" whilst Cali was in the bath would suggest this, I believe. Then as she got out and started regaining her strength, Nami recovered too...
Man, Oda endded this chapter nicely. It's been keeping us guessing.
Edit: Might as well put this together with this post...
Looks like Cali did something to Nami to start/activate the 'transfer'. She probably needed to touch her with the right hand, or something. Or leg?
It still doesn't answer what happened to Sanji though. I can see how she managed to touch him, but not how she could do something to herself to turn him into something like that. I admit the flaw in what I'm saying, but I believe I pointed out something interesting regardless…
2nd Edit: Maybe not 'transfer', since Cali says she's "too" when talking about being powerless, meaning it effects her too. Wouldn't work with Sanji since she didn't take upon herself the same 'appearence' that Sanji had.
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o3o wow this was an awesome chapter O_O
poor chopper.. "it destroys your enemies along with your nakama and body"
DX hes my favorite straw hat XB
but hes putting up a fight against kumidori
and. what can I say about kalifa in a BATH
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Great chapter. Califa in the bath - i love you Oda. I can't wait to see that part animated.
Chopper's monster form is cool.
I'm kinda disapointed, still no Sanji action.
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Great chapter. Califa in the bath - i love you Oda. I can't wait to see that part animated.
Chopper's monster form is cool.
I'm kinda disapointed, still no Sanji action.
I sure hope they don't use the Saxophone porn theme during that scene..
But I do hope they have a cool climatic theme during Chopper's transformation.
Don't worry, I'm sure Sanji will do something.
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i agree that Sanji should be major-ass-kicking again as well, but i fear that after Lucci is defeated by Luffy, Sanji will get to kick Spandam's and his elefant's ass to rescue Robin…and become a prince again (d'oh!).
But i was wondering about the discussion before... a DF-user wouldn't lose his strengh when bathing, would he? I thounght the effect of the DF would only be canceled when they touch seawater (up to waiste or something) because rain and bathtub-water normally wouldn't do any harm...
what would otherwise be the point of sea stones/crystals?EDIT: But i just realised that they would probably use sea water when bathing in the OP-world :)
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Yeah and whilst oda's at it he should also rename the show to i the luffy zoro sanji crew' the guys that should always be doing something particularly kicking ass I mean that would never get boring…...Seriously if one piece wen't down the 'certain characters should always have privaleges' road i'd loose interest and fast because like many has said before that's not the theme.
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Home-doggz my script is up.
Also check the Volume 41 goodies and all at the spot.oooh, very nice, very concise
btw, here is Chikusho's Scanlation of Chapter 407: http://www.4shared.com/account/file.jsp?id=1278030&sId=OQqe65bN6P
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It seems like it's only me whon can understand why Calipha is taking the bath, for the first she is woman, for the second, think of what she have done, of course she need to clean herself! She must have been little sweaty.. And dirty too maybe… (dirty as dirt, not naughty. :P) And it's kinda fun that she humilates Nami like that. ^^ And of course, Oda has been longing for making a naked scene since Arabasta arc. :P
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It seems like it's only me whon can understand why Calipha is taking the bath, for the first she is woman, for the second, think of what she have done, of course she need to clean herself! She must have been little sweaty.. And dirty too maybe… (dirty as dirt, not naughty. :P) And it's kinda fun that she humilates Nami like that. ^^ And of course, Oda has been longing for making a naked scene since Arabasta arc. :P
That's disgusting!!! But in a way effective!!
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I was thinking, if Usopp hadn't already "claimed" Jabura as his opponent the most fitting person to fight him would be Sanji. But for that to happen Usopp needs a more fitting "sniper friendly" opponent. A battle in which he can fully optimize his sniping abilities and Kabuto. Well, there is one person besides Spandam left that poses a threat to the Mugiwara.
In chapter 383 we see someone taking aim at Sodom, then shooting him with some kind of explosive firearm. Maybe I'm looking too hard into this but I doubt it's just some random guy that fired whatever kind of weapon that was. Think about it, if Oda wanted to get rid of Sodom first he would've had him KO'd by an actual character from Enis Lobby, like the Jurors or maybe the Canine Squad. Gomorra got owned by some of the Jurors, even Yokozuna got a respectable defeat after blocking the entrance. I even recall seeing some sort of map over Enis Lobby (possibly fron Shonen Jump) that showed every characters current location. And among the character portraits you see a shadowy figure around the area where Sodom was shot down.
Now, I've no idea if this guy will play an important role at all, but he is obviously a sniper and thus a very fitting opponent for Usopp.
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Well if Nami gets shocked to death in the beginning of the next chapter…it's definitely transfer.
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Well if Nami gets shocked to death in the beginning of the next chapter…it's definitely transfer.
Ya, that's the same thing I'm looking for to test the 'transfer df' theory.
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@Book:
But for that to happen Usopp needs a more fitting "sniper friendly" opponent. A battle in which he can fully optimize his sniping abilities and Kabuto. Well, there is one person besides Spandam left that poses a threat to the Mugiwara…..
Now, I've no idea if this guy will play an important role at all, but he is obviously a sniper and thus a very fitting opponent for Usopp.I don't think that's necessarily true. Chuu and Miss M.C./Mr. 4 weren't snipers, although he did have a gun, it certainly wasn't a sniper-like type of fight. In fact, to this day, Usopp hasn't fought ANY snipers. I think he should, because that is his role, but I don't see much potential for some shadowy character that MIGHT exist when we have all the main villains already present here.
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@Book:
And among the character portraits you see a shadowy figure around the area where Sodom was shot down.
Hmm… looks to me like it's showing them at roughly the same location as the Straw Hats and Gomorrah were at the time, which suggests that it was one of the Jurors in that image.
The person who shot Sodom was looking straight through a scope from a distance and high up off the ground, which implies that they were in the Courthouse at the time rather than standing around in the street.
Now, I've no idea if this guy will play an important role at all, but he is obviously a sniper and thus a very fitting opponent for Usopp.
I dunno; I think that if Oda was going to introduce a new, strong opponent at this stage that they'd either be
A) a high-ranking Marine in charge of the various Naval forces at Enies Lobby.
B) whoever is in charge of the naval vessel waiting for Spandam and Lucci (unless it's a Cipher Pol ship rather than one belonging to the Navy).Of course, that might be T-Bone's ship.
Who can say at this point though? I never thought that three more CP9 agents would pop up out of nowhere well after the original four were introduced.
Sooner or later, you'd think that the various Marines and CP agents still in town would come to the conclusion that it might be a good idea to seize the Courthouse and try to figure out a way to get back to the Justice Tower while somebody else tries to get reinforcements dispatched from the Naval Headquarters.
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If you want a great sniper, Blackbear's crewmate apparently is a crazy sharpshooter. Usopp against him would be a nice battle
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If you want a great sniper, Blackbear's crewmate apparently is a crazy sharpshooter. Usopp against him would be a nice battle
I expect to see Auger and Usopp face off, but that's probably a long way off. Perhaps not even until Raftel.
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Chopper vs Kumadori:
I am relieved to see that chopper is not out yet, after being shiganed in the previous chapter. And monster chopper was a graet development for him. It's sweet of him to think of Robin just b4 he took the 3rd rumble ball. But what disturbs me is, why isn't there a chapter titled "Chopper vs Kumadori" yet? We have "Luffy vs Blueno" and "Franky vs Fukurou" chapters, to kickstart their battles.Nami vs Kalifa:
She's doing better than I've expected actually. I thought the next time I saw Nami, she would be a bloody mess. I liked Nami's strategy on how she deals with Soru, but I believe it's not over yet. Anyway good luck to her.Sanji:
Since he was being brought up in this discussion thread by quite a number of people, I shall say sth too. I am actually relieved NOT seeing his face in this chapter (And I am probably the only one thinking this way). Bcos if his face ever appears, there are chances that he is going to butt in any of the fights, which is what I don't want to see. Chopper doesn't want anyone to enter the room/kitchen where he is. Nami doesn't want to be seen as just another pretty face. And if he helps Usopp, chances are Usopp would run away leaving the fight to Sanji because that's just so Usopp. -
Okay, let's ask it this way: Do you like the fact that Usopp's opponent is Jabura?
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heres a possible DF for Kalifa: statue statue
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I'm a biiiiiiiit late. Okey-ish chapter. Chopper won't be beating Kumadori with his wit and that's a let-down. But at least… fans were served by the end of the chapter.
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Usopp Vs. Jabura is awesome. I'm happy that he fights against Lucci's "rival," who in a sense is a lot like Usopp in tha fact that they both see the leader as their rival, while the leader themself is all "yeah, you go rival or whatever" It makes a nice fit.
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Usopp vs Jyabura has the potential to be awesome indeed. I'd like to see Usopp's tactical way of fighting, the way he uses his dials and the seastone handcuffs (didn't work the first time but I doubt he wouldn't try it again), the traps he'll set up and how he'll make Jyabura fall into it, I'd like to see him take unbelievable amounts of punishment and overcome it, and of course I'd like to see the new attacks he can fire with Kabuto.
All these elements have the potential to create one of the best battles in One Piece history, a Luffy vs Usopp only 10 times better. Now, Sanji vs Jyabura… No disrespect to Sanji fans, but a simple martial artists battle would seem bland and unoriginal to me. Just kicks punches kicks punches rise and reapeat super fast disappearing fighters DBZ style, not to mention we'll probably see this kind of melee fight between Luffy and Lucci afterwards, so I'd rather pass.
Just my personal opinion, I should prolly trust Oda and his ability to make everything unique and interesting though.
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And if he helps Usopp, chances are Usopp would run away leaving the fight to Sanji because that's just so Usopp.
Exactly, right until the moment when Zoro and Sanji are about to be killed.
Then SogeKing rescues them and fights both Kaku and Jabura on his own, until Zoro and Sanji recover, ready for the final show down.
@game2005:Okay, let's ask it this way: Do you like the fact that Usopp's opponent is Jabura?
No, SogeKing vs Kaku would be much more awesome. But it would be hilarious to see Kaku and Jabura fight each other on who gets to kill Usopp.
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You know, with the tower's inevitable fall, a rampaging beast and Franky running about, there's still plenty of time for fights to switch-up/pair-up.
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the reason why califa is taking the bath is to cancelling her power and make her very tired..like all df user would get but her power is to let the other person feel the same power which means that nami was also very tired. So when nami is trying to attack califa with her electrical wave she would hit herself with it. This is my suggestion califa got the fruit of making the opponents feel the same she feels.
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That's a great idea but if Nami literally couldn't move her leg, her opponent wouldn't have been able to exit the bath.
Very good idea though. This one is a mind bender.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. Chuu and Miss M.C./Mr. 4 weren't snipers, although he did have a gun, it certainly wasn't a sniper-like type of fight. In fact, to this day, Usopp hasn't fought ANY snipers. I think he should, because that is his role, but I don't see much potential for some shadowy character that MIGHT exist when we have all the main villains already present here.
True that they weren´t snipers but they both fought on the field of long range attacks. Chew should shoot water and Mr. 4 was "shooting" exploding balls. Ok, that isn´t really sniping skills but it these fighting styles don´t require any skill in close combat.
I have no interest in the Usopp or Sanji vs. Jabura argument. Just thought to add my two cents about Chew and Mr. 4.
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So yeah, Calipha hitting the nail on the head and generally being sexy made me really like her. Honestly, I think of the upcoming fights, Nami's will be #2 only to the boss battle.
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I love kalif's attitude it so suits in with her character. I also love that unlike most devil fruit users she wont just reveal the effect and its powers just like that cos most of them seem to be like 'yeah my fruit is the ''''''' fruit and this is what it does ' (because come on who in real life would reveal their weak points to their opponent) so I love that bit.
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Buggy, Robin, Dio…everyone keeps their DF abilities somewhat secret for a while. I'm pretty sure she'll reveal its name and properties, though. I mean, we aren't gonna call it "Calipha's fruit" forever.
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@Melee128:
heres a possible DF for Kalifa: statue statue
That actually kinda makes sense. I mean, she basically turned Sanji into a statue and Nami couldn't move…Maybe she can turn them into different levels of movement or something like that. And her taking a bath and cancelling out her power could explain why Nami regained the ability to move.
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if it was statue fruit, why would sanji be all shiny?
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That actually kinda makes sense. I mean, she basically turned Sanji into a statue and Nami couldn't move…Maybe she can turn them into different levels of movement or something like that. And her taking a bath and cancelling out her power could explain why Nami regained the ability to move.
That's a bit too similar to Foxy, though.
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all nami said was she couldnt move.
maybe she ate a spider zoan fruit and just trapped nami with spider webs. which might explain why she got free, when califa took a bath and her powers perhaps weakened. Or possibly some sort of invisible string fruit, like the string ordeal during skypiea.
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(because come on who in real life would reveal their weak points to their opponent)
I didn't know revealing your devil fruit power equaled revealing your weakness… I learned something new :wacko:
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I wonder, if Sanji turned back to normal, when Carifa was in the tub.
If he did, he might visit monster Chopper. ^^