Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs

LightningAce

To be fair…I remember reading that RDJ costs a fair amount of money more than the other actors. Though this could probably be internet speculation since the salaries for the other actors haven't been revealed, looking it up on google quickly RDJ made at least $50 million minimum from the Avengers while the others might have had far less (read different sources say single digits in the millions). And he's probably trying to negotiate for more given his popularity.

He is worth every single penny, and given how much money they've made, they can easily afford it. Plus where would they be right now if the first Iron Man movie hadn't been such a big success thanks to his portrayal of Stark?

Kaiolino

Civil War was really bad. Hopefully, Spider-Man just goes on hiatus for half a decade or something. Though he doesn't have a marriage to sell away after the event so there's that at least.

project1980

@Kaiolino:

Civil War was really bad. Hopefully, Spider-Man just goes on hiatus for half a decade or something. Though he doesn't have a marriage to sell away after the event so there's that at least.

It wasn't bad IMO but what was the whole point of it is the question I always asked.

Nex 0

Marvel is really astounding me, and mot in a good way.

Who though this was a good idea? For the love of everything holy could we please just deal with Thanos before the civil war starts? I get the majority of it will be in the Avengers 4. But that won't be until 2021 at the earliest. So could we please not start it in 2016? Especially if we're then supposed to buy that it's all forgotten for the Thanos field trip.

Ugh. I was pumped after phase one. But then they inserted Ultron, a villain I find to be incredibly boring, into the second film for no discernible reason, and it's all just been going down hill from there.

Guardians was the perfect launching point into a Thanos focused Avengers 2, but since last year it just seems to me that Marvel's gotten too cocky. I just get the feeling this is all very quickly going to fall apart on them.

Also, the Civil War is terrible, pointless, boring, and my least favorite Event in comics history.

WolfWood37

To me the true point of Civil War was never fully utilized. The point of Civil War was control. The government wanted all Super-Heroes to reveal their identities to the world, but the main reason is that they wanted control. They wanted the heroes to work for them, save who they tell them to save, never act on their own and if you do you will be locked up forever. The Man of Steel movie put it quite well. Superman is here to help, but its on his own terms. He willl not be controlled.

Now if this Civil War story turns out to be the direction they are going then I think that changes the whole complexion of Phase 3. My theory is that throughout all of Phase 3 you are going to see all these heroes be faced with signing the Registration Act or not and all the heroes being pitted against each other.

Ultimately the Civil War culminates in Avengers 3 with everyone going at it, and then Thanos attacks in the turmoil.

Again that's just my theory.

And theory number 2, maybe there is more to these Marvel getting to use Spiderman again stories than I thought because Spider-Man was a huge part of the Civil War storyline.

Kaiolino

Little known fact: Captain America was spewing Tea Party rhetoric in Civil War before the Tea Party even existed. And he was the good guy!

Though I have enough faith in Marvel that they won't actually be using much from the comics, just like Age of Ultron.

The Laughing Man

@Nex:

Marvel is really astounding me, and mot in a good way.

Who though this was a good idea? For the love of everything holy could we please just deal with Thanos before the civil war starts? I get the majority of it will be in the Avengers 4. But that won't be until 2021 at the earliest. So could we please not start it in 2016? Especially if we're then supposed to buy that it's all forgotten for the Thanos field trip.

Ugh. I was pumped after phase one. But then they inserted Ultron, a villain I find to be incredibly boring, into the second film for no discernible reason, and it's all just been going down hill from there.

Guardians was the perfect launching point into a Thanos focused Avengers 2, but since last year it just seems to me that Marvel's gotten too cocky. I just get the feeling this is all very quickly going to fall apart on them.

Also, the Civil War is terrible, pointless, boring, and my least favorite Event in comics history.

If Thanos was fought in The Avengers 2, heck, I'd even say The Avengers 3 at this point, being hyped up as the strongest being even in the movie universe, then, who the hell would they fight after him? No one, I repeat no one, would stack up against him, especially in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline they are seemingly going with him.

You can't fight the big-bad so early on, especially at his strongest so early on (with the Infinity Gauntlet), otherwise, everything else will seem…not so exciting or grand.

Green_vs_Red

@The:

If Thanos was fought in The Avengers 2, heck, I'd even say The Avengers 3 at this point, being hyped up as the strongest being even in the movie universe, then, who the hell would they fight after him? No one, I repeat no one, would stack up against him,

Pretty much this unless they decide to pull the usual routine of transplanting characters from other series like Galactus (who they can't use in the movies anyway) and Korvac after he winds up with broken powers he didn't originally have.

Nex 0

@The:

If Thanos was fought in The Avengers 2, heck, I'd even say The Avengers 3 at this point, being hyped up as the strongest being even in the movie universe, then, who the hell would they fight after him? No one, I repeat no one, would stack up against him, especially in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline they are seemingly going with him.

You can't fight the big-bad so early on, especially at his strongest so early on (with the Infinity Gauntlet), otherwise, everything else will seem…not so exciting or grand.

They're doing Civil War both before, and after him. So they found something.

But really, considering how the Infinity Gauntlet story ends, I think it needs less build up (i.e. get it done quicker) or a lot of non comic-reading fans are going to be incredibly pissed off.

Cutty Fram

i cant imagine that they will use the same ending.

Robby

Its being speculated based on where Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier left us, and rumors of the plot to Avengers 2 that

! Since Tony created Ultron and that goes incredibly wrong, he is left after Avengers 2 feeling guilty and realizes that contrary to his stance in Iron Man 2, powers do need to be checked in some way. Tony sees more and more the need to focus and contain problems, including himself… especially since Shield is no longer in place and more and more vendetta driven supervillains are crawling out of the woodwork... while Cap is growing more and more distrustful of government control and authority. Toss in how Fury purposefully tried to create a team to work for him in the first place....
! Also, trying to organize and register all the supers makes a little more sense when there's like 20 guys... rather than 5000.

Granted, thats all speculation since we're still a couple movies out, but it feels like that fits… and actually a fair bit more organically than what the comics did.
But yeah, cinematic Civil War can't be like the comics, sheerly because the scale and ammount of players and level of history is completely different.

On the other hand, Tony and Steve will have spent a total of like 2 days together, so its much, much easier to accept them as being at odds... as opposed to the comics where they had decades of working together and hundreds of adventures behind them so them coming to blows was just hard to accept without full blown heel turns.

(Really the whole thing worked better as an Ultimates story like it was originally pitched as... including Reed being kind of evil.)

Cyan D. Funk

If Reed was heading the pro-registration side, there would be no debate on who was in the right during Civil War.

Nex 0

@Robby:

Its being speculated based on where Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier left us, and rumors of the plot to Avengers 2 that

! Since Tony created Ultron and that goes incredibly wrong, he is left after Avengers 2 feeling guilty and realizes that contrary to his stance in Iron Man 2, powers do need to be checked in some way. Tony sees more and more the need to focus and contain problems, including himself… especially since Shield is no longer in place and more and more vendetta driven supervillains are crawling out of the woodwork... while Cap is growing more and more distrustful of government control and authority. Toss in how Fury purposefully tried to create a team to work for him in the first place....
! Also, trying to organize and register all the supers makes a little more sense when there's like 20 guys... rather than 5000.

Granted, thats all speculation since we're still a couple movies out, but it feels like that fits… and actually a fair bit more organically than what the comics did.
But yeah, cinematic Civil War can't be like the comics, sheerly because the scale and ammount of players and level of history is completely different.

On the other hand, Tony and Steve will have spent a total of like 2 days together, so its much, much easier to accept them as being at odds... as opposed to the comics where they had decades of working together and hundreds of adventures behind them so them coming to blows was just hard to accept without full blown heel turns.

(Really the whole thing worked better as an Ultimates story like it was originally pitched as... including Reed being kind of evil.)

At this point, all of their identities are already known to the government. In the MCU, there's not a single hero that the government has no clue on. it would make more sense if there was 5000, because the whole point is the identify anyone with powers and what those powers are. There's no need for that in the MCU.

valiantt

@Nex:

At this point, all of their identities are already known to the government. In the MCU, there's not a single hero that the government has no clue on. it would make more sense if there was 5000, because the whole point is the identify anyone with powers and what those powers are. There's no need for that in the MCU.

Eh, it totally depends on what happens in Phase 3. Whatever films show up during that segment can throw a number of curveballs. But yeah, it seems weird considering how most super heroes already have their identities and powers known to the government at this point.

WolfWood37

Yeah the identity part probably wouldn't work, but the other half would. You either work for the government or you get put down.

Ubiq

Civil War seems more like something the writers want to do rather than something the fanbase wants to see.

Demon Rin

@Nex:

At this point, all of their identities are already known to the government. In the MCU, there's not a single hero that the government has no clue on. it would make more sense if there was 5000, because the whole point is the identify anyone with powers and what those powers are. There's no need for that in the MCU.

The Government knows who Iron Man, War Machine, Captain America, The Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye are.

Meanwhile, The Government knows Thor as Thor. He's now living on Earth as per the end of Thor 2. We don't know how they're going to handle that at this point. Might they align the movies more with the comics and have Thor adopt a secret identity a la Donald Blake?
They don't know who Falcon is either. Or more accurately, they don't know Sam Wilson is now unofficially heroing in the Falcon suit. As far as they know, he's retired. The fact that he wasn't on S.H.I.E.L.D.'s Radar is why Cap went to him.
The World doesn't yet know who Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are from everything we know. Also, we know Dr. Strange was a person of interest to HYDRA, but we don't know how much they know about him.
Also, Vision, Ant Man, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones all have upcoming appearances in the MCU, and there are Rumors about a possible Black Panther as well as Captain Marvel film in the works. Marvel also has the rights to Ghost Rider, Blade, and Punisher who can be introduced into the MCU not to mention the rurmors about Spiderman also possibly joining the MCU as well.

As Robby said tho, there's more to it than JUST secret identities as well. You can easily set it up like Tony and the Government want to basically have Registration be a Government operated task force of Superheroes. IE, if you want to be a Superhero, you have to sign up with and work for the US Government. It's made ILLEGAL for anyone to operate as a hero unless you're part of the Government's special Super Squad. With what happened with S.H.I.E.L.D. in Cap 2, I can already see Captain America not liking that concept.

That's why I think we DEFINITELY need Avengers 3 to still be the Infinity War and save the full-blown Civil War for Avengers 4. Cap 3 needs to have Tony laying the seeds of what will become Civil War, without that movie involving him and Cap directly at-odds. Civil War needs to be as deeply setup as the Infinity Stones are now when it gets paid off later.
Plus, they then have PLENTY of time to world build some more and get more players on the table for the actual "War".

valiantt

@Demon:

Plus, they then have PLENTY of time to world build some more and get more players on the table for the actual "War".

This is the part that I'm having trouble seeing. Unless they plan on shoveling out a ton of characters into movies. I really cannot see characters actually taking sides in order to be called a "war" with enough players. It seems like it would require a really LONG term plan in order to get the Civil War organized effectively without turning into a big sloppy mess.

PS: Marvel, please do something with Ghost Rider just so we know he exists in the Cinematic Universe NOT as Nick Cage.

Green_vs_Red

@Ubiq:

Civil War seems more like something the writers want to do rather than something the fanbase wants to see.

Considering how fans reacted to it after the dust settled it's pretty much the former. Though I don't see anyone at Columbia and Sony figuring they need to adapt the Clone Saga to film. Unsurprisingly enough Tony will still be a dick if Robby's prediction comes true.

Cyan D. Funk

The Civil War movie post-credits scene will be Hulk coming back to Earth and clocking Reed Richards.

Sano

This is one of the few times, I wish that She-Hulk was in the Marvel movies universe.

! Espically if they do send Hulk into space during the beginning of the Civil War stuff like in the comics, which Tony was part of it. When Jen found out about it. She was of course was mad at Tony and she give him a warning that when the Hulk comes back from space, he is going to be really angry.

I'm pretty interested to see how Captain America 3 is going to be, since I really enjoy Winter Solider.

Robby

@Ubiq:

Civil War seems more like something the writers want to do rather than something the fanbase wants to see.

Mostly because the rough premise as pitched to the audience was pretty interesting, but the actual explained premise in the books was weak, and the entire event itself was a total mess. There's really nothing good to draw from the entire thing aside from that it set up world war hulk… and that the IDEA of Tony and Steve against each other (both of them representing the leaders of the Avengers) and drawing other heroes around them is kind of interesting.

But yeah. Not really anything from the actual story that anyone really cares about revisiting.

But yeah... Tony has a history as an arms dealer that saw the light, and wanted to switch over to keeping the peace... without making giant missiles. So... how that might twist and turn further after Ultron is anyone's guess.

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@valiantt:

This is the part that I'm having trouble seeing. Unless they plan on shoveling out a ton of characters into movies. I really cannot see characters actually taking sides in order to be called a "war" with enough players. It seems like it would require a really LONG term plan in order to get the Civil War organized effectively without turning into a big sloppy mess.

PS: Marvel, please do something with Ghost Rider just so we know he exists in the Cinematic Universe NOT as Nick Cage.

Can't be THAT long term… we're already approaching 10 years of MCU by Avengers 3. If Civil War is setup and pushed along much later than that they'll be recasting all the leads eventually. If they're gonna start putting it place now, then itd be kind of weak to not pay it off till 2021 or whatever.

Also, it'll probably be like WInter Soldier and Age of Ultron, where they take one or two elements, the title, and then make it completely its own thing. Movie Civil War is probably not going to bear any real similarity to the comic, aside from Tony and Steve being at odds.

Tyrano

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2014/10/ewan-mcgregor-ethan-hawke-jake-gyllenhaal-oscar-isaac-jared-leto-matthew-mcconaughey-shortlist-doctor-strange.html

Who would you be most happy with?
Lol @ Matthew and Jared being there together.

LightningAce

Ewan McGregor please, but only cuz i like him and he's British and he was Obi-Wan kenobi

Kaiolino

Civil War was one of Marvel's most succesful events ever. I don't see why a large part of the fanbase wouldn't want to see it on the big screen.

Cutty Fram

I'm also hoping for Ewan McGregor. I'm a big fan and would love to see him in the MCU.

Even if I loved CW I also don't want to see it on big screen at least not yet.

choperman

I have complete confidence in feige's vision and his ability to pull it off, so far there worst movie was iron man 2, and even that wasn't god awful, outside of that the first wave of movies was great (well hulk was dull to) after that iron man 3 is the only one I didn't like, but all in all it's been a great expanded universe

I'm pretty confident they can pull it off

oh yeah i heard badass digest said a bunch more characters were gonna be in this movie

http://screenrant.com/captain-america-3-characters-avengers-roster/

can these guys be trusted as a credible source???

WolfWood37

Screenrant is pretty hit and miss. I usually don't trust something until it shows up on superherohype.

Satsuki

@Tyrano:

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2014/10/ewan-mcgregor-ethan-hawke-jake-gyllenhaal-oscar-isaac-jared-leto-matthew-mcconaughey-shortlist-doctor-strange.html

Who would you be most happy with?
Lol @ Matthew and Jared being there together.

As much as I love Ewan McGregor I have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange. Forgive me for being shallow, but I don't think he looks the part. I also love Matthew McConaughey but I REALLY have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange, because he is so Cowboy/American it's not even funny. Jake Gyllenhall . . . . . no.

Ethan Hawke and Oscar Isaac are my best bets out of that lineup, I think.

Green_vs_Red

I could see Ewan as Doctor Strange, Ewan with Jet black hair and greying temples….....not so much.

Mr. Zoro

@valiantt:

PS: Marvel, please do something with Ghost Rider just so we know he exists in the Cinematic Universe NOT as Nick Cage.

Ghost Rider 2 was entertaining, just not in a good way.

Tyrano

@Satsuki:

As much as I love Ewan McGregor I have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange. Forgive me for being shallow, but I don't think he looks the part. I also love Matthew McConaughey but I REALLY have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange, because he is so Cowboy/American it's not even funny. Jake Gyllenhall . . . . . no.

Ethan Hawke and Oscar Isaac are my best bets out of that lineup, I think.

I'm actually not familiar with this character, but the name Dr. Strange sounds like Jake Gyllenhall LOL

WolfWood37

Agin still standing by my first pick:

Katzztar

@Satsuki:

As much as I love Ewan McGregor I have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange. Forgive me for being shallow, but I don't think he looks the part. I also love Matthew McConaughey but I REALLY have a hard time picturing him as Dr. Strange, because he is so Cowboy/American it's not even funny. Jake Gyllenhall . . . . . no.

Ethan Hawke and Oscar Isaac are my best bets out of that lineup, I think.

I just looked up Gyllenhall …. he looks too young to be Dr. Strange.
Call me old fashioned but I like Stephen Strange same way I like Sean Connery - the suave and mature older gentleman, not some hip-looking youngster... I need to look at the others mentioned
save or Ewan... know him

EDIT=
Just looks at pics for those names, yeah most do not look the part, no even Isaac IMO
But that Ethan Hawke.... yeah I can picture him as Dr. Strange esp after this image=

Just dye the hair black with the sides grey/white, grow a goatee and he would really fit with the classic image of Dr Strange.
Hell he even has the cheekbones for it! XD not some cherub-cheeked youngster ;)

@Tyrano:

I'm actually not familiar with this character, but the name Dr. Strange sounds like Jake Gyllenhall LOL

Dr. Strange's classic look… and the first image tells his position in the Marvel Universe as a Master of the Mystic Arts he holds the title of Earth's Sorcerer Supreme
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Some more 'modern' looks
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Satsuki

Ahhh, if only we had young Sean Connery to play him . . . . .

now he's too old.

@WolfWood37:

Agin still standing by my first pick:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/ViggoMortensenMar10.jpg

I don't know if Viggo will ever do anything as blockbuster-big as LotR again.

Green_vs_Red

@WolfWood37:

Agin still standing by my first pick:

Your first pick has to have a fondness for CGI.

@Satsuki:

Ahhh, if only we had young Sean Connery to play him . . . . .

now he's too old.

And bald.

WolfWood37

I know it'll never happen, which sucks.

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So now Fox wants Tom Hardy as Apocalypse.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/319259-tom-hardy-sought-for-x-men-apocalypses-en-sabah-nur

Hmmm, Suicide Squad or X-Men…

choperman

@WolfWood37:

Screenrant is pretty hit and miss. I usually don't trust something until it shows up on superherohype.

but I think the info is from badass digest….. are they reliable at all, cause it seems like new rumors are coming out each day on all new stuff

Satsuki

@WolfWood37:

I know it'll never happen, which sucks.

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So now Fox wants Tom Hardy as Apocalypse.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/319259-tom-hardy-sought-for-x-men-apocalypses-en-sabah-nur

Hmmm, Suicide Squad or X-Men…

That would be . . . . . interesting.

Dark Knight Rises' faults aside, I like Hardy as Bane, so it would be interesting to see him as Apocalypse.

choperman

@Satsuki:

That would be . . . . . interesting.

Dark Knight Rises' faults aside, I like Hardy as Bane, so it would be interesting to see him as Apocalypse.

pssssh that video didn't even scratch the surface

Outerspec

I'm not going to lie to you all. I couldn't understand what the hell Bane was saying half the time which was distracting but his physical acting and presence was indeed intimidating. Tom Hardy was a great choice.

Green_vs_Red

Marvel doesn't just troll it's fans they also also troll the actors starring in their movies.

https://movies.yahoo.com/news/marvel-gave-robert-downey-jr-giant-avengers-161609901.html

KaizokuJinbei

@Green_vs_Red:

Marvel doesn't just troll it's fans they also also troll the actors starring in their movies.

https://movies.yahoo.com/news/marvel-gave-robert-downey-jr-giant-avengers-161609901.html

I'm sorry but that is hilarious

Cutty Fram

Hehe, he is definitely not going to make jokes like this again xD

WolfWood37

This is why Marvel so cool, They give RDJ his A, but DC makes Affleck shell out $100,000 for his batsuit.

Satsuki

Downey is their #1 money-maker. He earned his A.

WolfWood37

Affleck has won a ton of Academy Awards for Warner Bros. He's also earned his suit.

Satsuki

Those are AWARDS. Not money. And Warner Bros. probably doesn't care as much about the awards.

Green_vs_Red

@Satsuki:

Those are AWARDS. Not money. And Warner Bros. probably doesn't care as much about the awards.

Not to mention the fact that most of the awards he's won has been for a couple of movies he wrote, produced, or directed.

You don't see too many people putting Affleck over for his acting.

baby-boo

Are we really comparing the batsuit to an A? Who cares about the A. Are we gonna put the A in a museum?