Apprently Universal owns Namor movie rights.
How would Marvel use him anyway?
Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
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Everyone jokes about Aquaman being the "lame" DC superhero (despite acutally being badass), but would Marvel be able to pass Namor off to the public as their own not-lame Aquaman?
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Everyone jokes about Aquaman being the "lame" DC superhero (despite acutally being badass), but would Marvel be able to pass Namor off to the public as their own not-lame Aquaman?
Namor was never stuck in the Superfriends to get saddled with the "this guy is useless and has no powers" moniker. He's always been an angry, horny super powered royalty type with an attitude. He was always able to fly and do stuff with water and had a crazy love triangle thing going on with Sue (of the fantastic four) so he's always carried a bit more weight in the powers and personality department.
Aquaman sorta changed to be more like him over the years (except for the horny part) but he was saddled with "plain whitebread guy with useless powers" for forever so thats its just an ongoing joke that he can't escape, because too many writers embrace it… even when their entire point is that he's NOT actually like that... that they point out the perception in the first place is a problem.
Justice League never made him a wuss. He was just awesome on that. Young Justice made Aqualad super awesome with glowy power whip things. And Aquaman's appearance on Smallville was instantly met with "that guy is awesome and should get a spinoff!"
As long as they just ignore the jokes and don't point to them, and just make the character cool, audiences are fine with a guy with water powers and undersea adventures... that goes for both Namor and Aquaman. Nothing inherently dumb about the premise, just the execution.
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Namor also has that "one of the very first Marvel superheroes" thing going for him.
That reminds me, we need a Human Torch movie.
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Namor is awesome.
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Everyone jokes about Aquaman being the "lame" DC superhero (despite acutally being badass), but would Marvel be able to pass Namor off to the public as their own not-lame Aquaman?
Even if they could, Namor's rights are owned by Universal at the moment, so it's unlikely they'd ever make efforts to acquire him since they already have a plate full of heroes they're trying to adapt.
Anyone else think Phase 2 isn't going to be good? It seems like all the movies, barring CA2 are going to be stand alone, I am totally iffy about the Guardians, but the cast seems really awesome. Avengers 2 seems extremely crowded, and they're not putting Pym in Ultron's origin. I have a not so great feeling about this.
Another discussion topic, do you guys like Black Panther and would want to see him on film? I get it, he's a black guy, and we NEED black superheroes, but his story is just… not great. Wakanda, an isolated yet highly advanced civilization with a mountain of Vibranium... idk, to me, it's just boring and totally unrealistic (as if other heroes weren't). just saying.
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@Cyan:
Namor also has that "one of the very first Marvel superheroes" thing going for him.
That reminds me, we need a Human Torch movie.
There is one already. It's called Captain America: The First Avenger
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Anyone else think Phase 2 isn't going to be good? It seems like all the movies, barring CA2 are going to be stand alone, I am totally iffy about the Guardians, but the cast seems really awesome. Avengers 2 seems extremely crowded, and they're not putting Pym in Ultron's origin. I have a not so great feeling about this.
Another discussion topic, do you guys like Black Panther and would want to see him on film? I get it, he's a black guy, and we NEED black superheroes, but his story is just… not great. Wakanda, an isolated yet highly advanced civilization with a mountain of Vibranium... idk, to me, it's just boring and totally unrealistic (as if other heroes weren't). just saying.
I can't really say anything about Phase 2 until I see Thor 2 and see a trailer for Cap 2 and Guardians, really.
And I believe Stan Lee already dropped that Black Panther is going to have a movie in Phase 3.
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I can't really say anything about Phase 2 until I see Thor 2 and see a trailer for Cap 2 and Guardians, really.
And I believe Stan Lee already dropped that Black Panther is going to have a movie in Phase 3.
Fair enough. I'm just bummed how there's very little connectedness between the films this time. I mean even subtle after credit scenes hinting at something for the Avengers would be nice, but in IM3, there wasn't even that.
There's nothing confirmed yet. It's been name dropped several times but that doesn't mean it was officially picked up. I think the only one confirmed was Doctor Strange. [and Ant Man of course]. But my point was do you guys even like Black Panther?
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I've only seen Black Panter in Avengers: EMH, and I liked him in that. A smooth, competent, noble character. Very inspiring black hero for kids to look up to, and I like that he's from AFRICA. Wakanda looked like an interesting setting, and vibranium has already been set in the Marvel movie-verse. In the Captain America movie Howard Stark showed Cap his shield and said that was made of all the vibranium they had, in the world. (Well, the Western world, anyway.)
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Anyone else think Phase 2 isn't going to be good? It seems like all the movies, barring CA2 are going to be stand alone,
All the phase 1 movies, bar Iron Man 2, were stand alone as well, except for the end stingers.
Avengers 2 seems extremely crowded, and they're not putting Pym in Ultron's origin. I have a not so great feeling about this.
About as crowded as the first one. (and minus Loki… and without the need for introductions and face offs this time.) And despite what comic fans think, Pym as ANOTHER super scientist doesn't really bring much to the table that Tony and Bruce aren't already providing... but he's getting a movie anyway, just not in time for Avengers 2.
Another discussion topic, do you guys like Black Panther and would want to see him on film? I get it, he's a black guy, and we NEED black superheroes, but his story is just… not great. Wakanda, an isolated yet highly advanced civilization with a mountain of Vibranium... idk, to me, it's just boring and totally unrealistic (as if other heroes weren't). just saying.
Black Panther is awesome. Most characters are shitty if you just boil them down to their origin from 40 years ago… or have read the comics in the last 10 years (sigh).. He's got a ton of presence and charisma, and is an awesome character that always worked well in contrast to others, like the fantastic four.. Smart, royal, all around cool. That he's black, well, that was a thing at the time, yes, but its not the ONLY thing about him.
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@RobbyBevard:
All the phase 1 movies, bar Iron Man 2, were stand alone as well, except for the end stingers.
Sorry, I didn't necessarily mean that as a bad thing. I was just expecting some minor ties between movies to hype Avengers 2 and set the stage, but IM3 failed to provide (unless Banner appearing at the end counts…). There aren't really any clues to what we would expect for Avengers 2 right now, so unless Thor, CA, and GoG have some after credits, a lot of potential setting up would be wasted.
About as crowded as the first one. (and minus Loki… and without the need for introductions and face offs this time.) And despite what comic fans think, Pym as ANOTHER super scientist doesn't really bring much to the table that Tony and Bruce aren't already providing... but he's getting a movie anyway, just not in time for Avengers 2.
But with the 2 new heroes that Whedon is introducing IN Avengers 2, that's a lot on his plate. Plus he said he wanted to give Black Widow and Hawkeye expanded roles, which means more screen time shuffling. I'm not bummed Pym isn't in it for his contributions to the Avengers, I'm bummed he's not the creator of Ultron. I feel disappointed Marvel took this route (not because I'm a diehard comic book fan or anything because I'm not) but because it was unnecessary. The route they're taking looks like it will probably be Jarvis gone rogue, which makes Tony the likely culprit. And center of attention. Again. But by doing that, not only does this create backlash for people who are either Ant-Man fans or diehard comic junkies, it gives their Ant-Man film literally nothing. Ant-Man's only fanbase is with people who read his comics. The general public think he has stupid powers. Give him Ultron in Avengers 2, or AT LEAST a small cameo, and people would be more interested to see him later. Give him to Tony and people think he's still dumb. All I'm saying is making Pym Ultron's creator would keep it true to the comics and could be used as much needed marketing for their upcoming Ant Man film. Writing out Pym is a huge missed opportunity.
Black Panther is awesome. Most characters are shitty if you just boil them down to their origin from 40 years ago… or have read the comics in the last 10 years (sigh).. He's got a ton of presence and charisma, and is an awesome character that always worked well in contrast to others, like the fantastic four.. Smart, royal, all around cool. That he's black, well, that was a thing at the time, yes, but its not the ONLY thing about him.
I think as a character, he's cool. Just… idk. I'm just not a fan of Wakanda. Or Vibranium.
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What irks you about Wakanda and Vibranium?
Actually, I don't know. I was trying to think of a reason but couldn't find any. I guess I have nothing against Black Panther after all… ._.
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All the Wakandans hate white people. It's reverse racism.
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All the Wakandans hate white people. It's reverse racism.
With your avatar being what it is you have to be careful what you lost because reading that and then looking over at your avatar made me spit coffee all over my desk.
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Let's just be honest here: The Watchmen movie was a complete and utter, extremely boring, blue man penis filled abomination.
And I don't even feel this way, it's just a hilarious quote.
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Sorry, I didn't necessarily mean that as a bad thing. I was just expecting some minor ties between movies to hype Avengers 2 and set the stage, but IM3 failed to provide (unless Banner appearing at the end counts…). There aren't really any clues to what we would expect for Avengers 2 right now, so unless Thor, CA, and GoG have some after credits, a lot of potential setting up would be wasted.
There is a minor tie to Avengers 2 in Iron Man 3 if you look at the potential links to Ultron and Tony's development of how his suits worked in the film. It's just not as blunt as Fury turning up.
All the Wakandans hate white people. It's reverse racism.
Reverse Racism? I think you just mean racism.
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There is a minor tie to Avengers 2 in Iron Man 3 if you look at the potential links to Ultron and Tony's development of how his suits worked in the film. It's just not as blunt as Fury turning up.
I mean it's not confirmed Ultron is Tony's at all, but probably most likely… I like blunt ties because they hype up other movies. So long as these blunt ties don't interfere with the main story ie end credits or whatever.
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You guys are assuming that Whedon is telling the truth about Hank Pym.
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You guys are assuming that Whedon is telling the truth about Hank Pym.
Directors tease but hardly ever lie. If they don't want to spoil anything, they would refuse to talk about the subject, but Whedon outright denied it. Edgar Wright, the director of Ant-Man, had been developing the script long long long before Avengers and he even said recently how Ultron was never a part of it. It's the truth.
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True, but let's look at a recent example. Star Trek into Darkness, how many times did the cast and crew lie or at the very least mislead everyone about Cumberbatch's character?
Also there IS a plausible scenario for Hank Pym creating Ultron in Avengers 2 that I don't think anyone has thought of. The working theory now is saying that Jarvis will get corrupted and become Ultron. Hank Pym is a scientist correct? So is Stark to a degree right? What if they came out and said Hank Pym helped Stark to create Jarvis? All they would have to do is drop one line like that in the movie and they wouldn't need to have Pym in the movie and all comic fans will mostly be happy.
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True, but let's look at a recent example. Star Trek into Darkness, how many times did the cast and crew lie or at the very least mislead everyone about Cumberbatch's character?
Also there IS a plausible scenario for Hank Pym creating Ultron in Avengers 2 that I don't think anyone has thought of. The working theory now is saying that Jarvis will get corrupted and become Ultron. Hank Pym is a scientist correct? So is Stark to a degree right? What if they came out and said Hank Pym helped Stark to create Jarvis? All they would have to do is drop one line like that in the movie and they wouldn't need to have Pym in the movie and all comic fans will mostly be happy.
I wouldn't know, I didn't follow Star Trek's production. From my experiences in following Marvel, they haven't lied about anything so far. They've only teased at cameos or scenes, but they haven't lied yet. If the day comes and they turned out to be lying then I concede. But for now it's all speculation and opinion. I trust them enough to say they are being truthful. Why would Whedon lie about something that gives him backlash? That's just some bad marketing right there.
That's what I want to happen sort of. If not a cameo, a one line drop saying "Hank Pym helped me do this". But saying he helped create Jarvis wouldn't mean he created Ultron. Since the Marvel Universe's timeline pretty much (for the most part) coincides with our real timeline, Jarvis would have been created way before Iron Man 1. Again, this is an assumption but seeing the movie it's hard to imagine Tony just created it. Which means, if Pym did lend a helping hand to Jarvis, that would have been at least 5-6 years before Avengers 2. There's no way he can be blamed for that. Dropping a one liner with Nick Fury saying "a robot created by a scientist Hank Pym has gone rogue" is what I'd want to see more since he would be given pretty much all the credit. Though I really doubt either would happen.
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Well sometimes cast and crew say things to throw people off in order for them to go into the movie and be surprised. So they say Hank Pym isn't in the movie or created Ultron…we go see Avengers 2 and bam there he is, we get surprised...its no fun if we guess everything and they say we are right. Then what is the point of going to watch the movie?
As for the cameo, the working theory is that Ultron is going to be created out of a corrupted Jarvis and some old Iron Man tech. I'm not saying Hank Pym would be blamed at all for Ultron, but saying he helped to create Jarvis would be a small nod to the original Ultron origin. And yes Marvel movie timeline wise, Jarvis's creation would have been before the events of Iron Man 1. You can have flashbacks to add stuff. the beginning o Iron Man 3 was to events before Iron Man 1 and how Killian and Stark met.
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After all, the movies had a perfectly accurate to the comics Mandarin.
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Well sometimes cast and crew say things to throw people off in order for them to go into the movie and be surprised. So they say Hank Pym isn't in the movie or created Ultron…we go see Avengers 2 and bam there he is, we get surprised...its no fun if we guess everything and they say we are right. Then what is the point of going to watch the movie?
As for the cameo, the working theory is that Ultron is going to be created out of a corrupted Jarvis and some old Iron Man tech. I'm not saying Hank Pym would be blamed at all for Ultron, but saying he helped to create Jarvis would be a small nod to the original Ultron origin. And yes Marvel movie timeline wise, Jarvis's creation would have been before the events of Iron Man 1. You can have flashbacks to add stuff. the beginning o Iron Man 3 was to events before Iron Man 1 and how Killian and Stark met.
Orrrr fans just get pissed and hate Marvel movies even more after Iron Man 3. What you're saying isn't a good plan at all. Not many films care about "surprising the audience" as much nowadays. Saying "Ant Man is definitely in Avengers" would be 1000 times better than saying "Ant Man is not in Avengers" and then putting him anyway. I don't understand why you're so confident he's probably in it when Whedon and Wright have both said there's no Ant Man in Avengers and he has nothing to do with Ultron. There's such a small chance they're lying, but if you want to cling to that, that's all just based on your intuition. You can't possibly argue that they are lying with 0 evidence other than "sometimes film studios like to lie".
But what I'm saying is creating Jarvis many years ago has nothing to do with Ultron. If Jarvis does go rogue it will all be Tony's fault because the Jarvis that Tony and, supposedly to you, Hank built was working fine. Tony would have to be trying to upgrade Jarvis and that's where it goes wrong. So saying Tony and Hank built Jarvis says nothing about Ultron. Which is pointless.
@RobbyBevard:
After all, the movies had a perfectly accurate to the comics Mandarin.
My point exactly. People are getting butt hurt over Ant Man and Ultron like they were with the Mandarin. I actually liked the Mandarin change, or didn't mind it, but it pissed off a lot of people. I understand why the did it, because if they did make the Mandarin like the comics, his powers would have to be explained in detail, he'd probably have to be a recurring villain… it's just messy. But this Ant Man and Ultron thing is so easily avoidable by just saying in the film "Ultron was created by Hank Pym". He doesn't need to appear, all the spotlight isn't on Tony again, and people are happy. That's all there is to it.
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because if they did make the Mandarin like the comics, his powers would have to be explained in detail
Ugh i hate that notion. Until they can stretch free from that enforced feel of "realism" they can't really make a perfect comic book movie
Like in Scott Pilgrim, they never explain why the fuck the world is like a video game, that's just how it is and that is how it should be
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They didn't need to explain the Mandarin's powers in any real detail; "rings based off the Iron Man tech" and "Extremis" would have worked fine.
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He found them on an alien. You all saw them in Avengers
Then blam pzaow darkness and uhm freeze right in Iron Man's face
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Trevor was more interesting in his 10 minutes of comic relief than the Mandarin in his entire comics career.
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Trevor was more interesting in his 10 minutes of comic relief than the Mandarin in his entire comics career.
The stinger for Avengers 2 is going to be the team watching Trevor's latest cinematic masterpiece.
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@Cyan:
The stinger for Avengers 2 is going to be the team watching Trevor's latest cinematic masterpiece.
"The Superhuman Civil War"
Produced, written, directed and starring Trevor Slattery.
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@wolfwoof:
Ugh i hate that notion. Until they can stretch free from that enforced feel of "realism" they can't really make a perfect comic book movie
See, this I just don't get about Marvel. Thor and Loki use magic already, so I don't know why they're trying to stick with the whole realism thing.
However, for what it's worth, I didn't have an issue with the Mandarin change. And least, in execution.
"The Superhuman Civil War"
Produced, written, directed and starring Trevor Slattery.
This would simply be amazing.
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"The Superhuman Civil War"
Produced, written, directed and starring Trevor Slattery.
Tony then considers suing for libel.
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Orrrr fans just get pissed and hate Marvel movies even more after Iron Man 3. What you're saying isn't a good plan at all. Not many films care about "surprising the audience" as much nowadays. Saying "Ant Man is definitely in Avengers" would be 1000 times better than saying "Ant Man is not in Avengers" and then putting him anyway. I don't understand why you're so confident he's probably in it when Whedon and Wright have both said there's no Ant Man in Avengers and he has nothing to do with Ultron. There's such a small chance they're lying, but if you want to cling to that, that's all just based on your intuition. You can't possibly argue that they are lying with 0 evidence other than "sometimes film studios like to lie".
But what I'm saying is creating Jarvis many years ago has nothing to do with Ultron. If Jarvis does go rogue it will all be Tony's fault because the Jarvis that Tony and, supposedly to you, Hank built was working fine. Tony would have to be trying to upgrade Jarvis and that's where it goes wrong. So saying Tony and Hank built Jarvis says nothing about Ultron. Which is pointless.
Whoa whoa whoa. I'm not saying that Ant Man is or isn't in the movie. Odds are that he probably won't be in it. Personally I don't care either way, all I know about the character is that he created Ultron in the comics. All I'm saying is with movies like these, especially with all the hype there tends to be SOME misdirection so people aren't guessing the entire movie before it comes out and it allows people to enjoy the movie and actually be surprised with the surprises whatever they are.
Yes I also get your point about him creating Jarvis has nothing to so with Ultron. My point is with Stark saying a line about Pym is just a wink/nod/easter egg to all the comic book fans out there. Saying a line like that takes nothing away from the story they are creating and telling while also respecting the fans. All it would be is a very nice touch. All Marvel movies have had plenty of easter eggs and nods to the original material, this would just be one more.
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@Cyan:
They didn't need to explain the Mandarin's powers in any real detail; "rings based off the Iron Man tech" and "Extremis" would have worked fine.
Plus there were a lot of alien carcases and shield tech and Thor's robot and such lying around New York.
Their world was already technologically advanced enough to explain Mandarin having powers… and they didn't even really have to have the rings each beaming out a different kind of "magic" or anything. It would have been just fine for him to have the same energy based glowy fire healy extremis powers Killian had... and the 10 rings merely as ornamentation.
Eh well.
@Nex:
See, this I just don't get about Marvel. Thor and Loki use magic already, so I don't know why they're trying to stick with the whole realism thing.
They worked to make it apparent that despite the overall aesthetics, it was just reeeeeeally advanced tech. Like the rainbow bridge being circuit-board like, or the energy beam spewing robot being… pretty clearly a robot, rather than a clay golem or something.
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So what are they going to do when they get around to the Doctor Strange movie that they confirmed they're making? Make him a master of technology that looks like magic?
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That's the funny thing. THERE they'll almost certainly have to expand their world to include the mystical and demons and Ghost Rider (who they got the rights back to I believe)… but too far along in the cycle to ease into magic for Iron Man 3. Kinda weird.
(Of course, even the comics have retconned Mandarin's rings from magical to alien tech, so...)
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Dr. Strange I think is one of like four major guys in Marvel who are actually tied to genuine magic. Otherwise it's just alien tech or mutation.
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Doctor Strange will be the master of the mystical computer hacking arts
Not but really if they can't even budge on something as normal as the Mandarin's power then they're gonna have an aneuyrism trying to make Dormammu, Eternity and the rest of the weirdos Strange deals with work realisticly.
That shit was loopy even by comic book standards. Great, but weird as fuck.
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Actually, I just realized, so is all of Loki's magic supposed to be tech as well that comes from his staff? I can't remember if he's ever used magic without it.
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Strange and the Avengers' first meeting will be most comprised of Tony trying to fit magic into his worldview. Thor will be just like, "Aw yeah, magic, my nigga come over here…"
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@wolfwoof:
Doctor Strange will be the master of the mystical computer hacking arts
Not but really if they can't even budge on something as normal as the Mandarin's power then they're gonna have an aneuyism trying to make Dormammu, Eternity and the rest of the weirdos Strange deals with work realisticly.
That shit was loopy even by comic book standards. Great, but weird as fuck.
Part of what made me really look forward to a Doctor Strange movie is filling it with tons of magic and all the cool special effects you could do with that as well as possibly going to alternate dimensions/worlds filled with magic…...basically, I just hope if they do a movie centered on a character using magic that they get all the effects out of that they can.
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@Cyan:
Strange and the Avengers' first meeting will be most comprised of Tony trying to fit magic into his worldview. Thor will be just like, "Aw yeah, magic, my nigga come over here…"
Hahaha. Thor gets to hit Tony back with his own line: "Finally! Someone who speaks English!"
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Part of what made me really look forward to a Doctor Strange movie is filling it with tons of magic and all the cool special effects you could do with that as well as possibly going to alternate dimensions/worlds filled with magic…...basically, I just hope if they do a movie centered on a character using magic that they get all the effects out of that they can.
Strange movie has the potential to be absolutely mesmerizing
Nightmare's realm made by someone with a wild imagination and sense for the style could be beyond awesome
But to fit into the cinematic universe he'll probably have to replace those magic blast with like a ghost buster zapper
And instead of the glowing floating cloak of pure magic it's a jetpack. Y'know minor tweaks for realism
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Actually, I just realized, so is all of Loki's magic supposed to be tech as well that comes from his staff? I can't remember if he's ever used magic without it.
Loki has used his powers without the staff.
Also, Thor's ability to summon lightning is still magical. They've just avoided forcing themselves to label it as such. The whole Asgardian thing is an issue they're doing their best to skirt around.
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I honestly have no problem with super hero movies grounding themselves in realism, and even then they still reach of point of fantasy (it'd be pretty tough to make a legit Iron Man suit these days; Getting peak human capabilities from a blue serum in the 1940's, etc.). In fact, I think I like them more that way, and Marvel still manages to embrace the comic book world for what it is.
And I always figured Thor was the movie that was at least a bridge (lol puns) to the magic aspect of Marvel. Because with where they're going, they can't really avoid that. But I guess for now we'll stick with super high tech. as a getaway.
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How is the Marvel cinematic universe going to handle Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet. A freaking god-like alien, with a freaking Gauntlet that can bend reality among numerous other god-like and obscene things; who worships a sometimes-physical manifestation of Death itself. lol
That's pretty hard to drag that into a realistic point of view.
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@The:
How is the Marvel cinematic universe going to handle Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet. A freaking god-like alien, with a freaking Gauntlet that can bend reality among numerous other god-like and obscene things; who worships a sometimes-physical manifestation of Death itself. lol
That's pretty hard to drag that into a realistic point of view.
That's why they're segueing into it bit by bit.
Introduce not humans with magic/high tech in Thor. Introduce flat out aliens and a space setting in Avengers. Expand on the above in Thor 2, while showing off the cosmic side in Guardians of the Galaxy. (Still the most risky of the movies thus far)
By the time they actually get to that story, the audience, and more importantly, the Marvel cinematic universe, will have had 3-7 years to be prepared for it. Ditto with Doctor Strange.
If they manage to keep this up for a decade or two, then (obviously some recasting by that point) their cinematic universe could be pretty damn crazy before too long.
Can you imagine an eventual Avengers 5 with aliens AND magic AND a whole messload of heroes, villains, and B listers?
