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If this doesn't confirm that he is a strawhat idk what else will convince you.
See, when that chapter came out I thought that he had finally joined there for sure, but the manga didn't treat him like a strawhat after that.
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I think it's just the bounty.
Robin had a higher bounty than Zoro when she joined. I don't think this is too much of an issue.
Purely coincidence
It begs the question, if the Vivre Card treated Jinbe as a current Strawhat already, why didn't his card came out along with the rest of the crew in the initial set? I mean, back in September when it came out we were already in Wano, it's not like some new information came in the meantime that would have been spoiled.
Oda and his staff themselves don't seem to know how to consistently treat Jinbe situation as a SH, so it's no surprise the readers can't properly figure it out.
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It begs the question, if the Vivre Card treated Jinbe as a current Strawhat already, why didn't his card came out along with the rest of the crew in the initial set? I mean, back in September when it came out we were already in Wano, it's not like some new information came in the meantime that would have been spoiled.
Oda and his staff themselves don't seem to know how to consistently treat Jinbe situation as a SH, so it's no surprise the readers can't properly figure it out.
This thread should be called Scrodingers Crewmate with all this Jinbe Business
FWIW, I highly doubt that Oda himself has much or anything to do with the character list at the beginning of each volume. The seems like something editors would do (kinda like the data books). So I don't think that's the thing to latch onto with Jimbei. As far as the actual content of the chapters (the primary source) is concerned, Jimbei is the crew's helmsman.
FWIW, I highly doubt that Oda himself has much or anything to do with the character list at the beginning of each volume. The seems like something editors would do (kinda like the data books). So I don't think that's the thing to latch onto with Jimbei. As far as the actual content of the chapters (the primary source) is concerned, Jimbei is the crew's helmsman.
Does Oda also not have much to do with the colour spreads?
Also, you can bet that if Oda thought Jimbei had fully joined, he would have told his editors to change the intro page. Or an editor would have double checked with him. A new crewmember joining is kind of a big deal.
The reason why Jinbe isn't on any covers yet, might be because his appearance has changed and Oda doesn't want to spoil it.
Otherwise he is a Strawhat, Luffy said it, so it's a done deal. Why this unnecessary discussion.
The reason why Jinbe isn't on any covers yet, might be because his appearance has changed and Oda doesn't want to spoil it.
Otherwise he is a Strawhat, Luffy said it, so it's a done deal. Why this unnecessary discussion.
This rumor was proven fake if I remember correctly. The fact is that people have different opinion on what makes an official crew member. Jinbei will be in the color spread once they will have a party in his honor. Until that happen people will continue to disagree.
What rumor? About Jinbes appearance?
Ok, didn't know there was a rumor. Even if, how can the rumor be proven fake, if we haven't seen Jinbe since WCI?
What rumor? About Jinbes appearance?
Ok, didn't know there was a rumor. Even if, how can the rumor be proven fake, if we haven't seen Jinbe since WCI?
Sure, it could potentially happen. But what he's saying is that there is misinformation being spread that Oda in a recent interview explicitly stated that Jinbe isn't being shown due to not wanting to spoil a change to his appearance.
That is fake. The interview in question did not mention Jinbe at all.
Otherwise he is a Strawhat, Luffy said it, so it's a done deal. Why this unnecessary discussion.
We're sure he will be a strawhat, but he literally isn't one yet. The intro page is the clearest demonstration of this so far, Oda said "these are the strawhats" and then didn't include Jimbei.
The sad fact is that despite everything, literally nothing has changed in regards to Jimbei's crewmate status since the end of FI, almost 300 chapters ago.
Purely coincidence
We're sure he will be a strawhat, but he literally isn't one yet. The intro page is the clearest demonstration of this so far, Oda said "these are the strawhats" and then didn't include Jimbei.
The sad fact is that despite everything, literally nothing has changed in regards to Jimbei's crewmate status since the end of FI, almost 300 chapters ago.
I think Jimbei's not being vulnerable to Big Mom's lifedrain as a sign of devotion to Luffy was pretty significant.
I think Jimbei's not being vulnerable to Big Mom's lifedrain as a sign of devotion to Luffy was pretty significant.
Jimbei's devotion to Luffy has never been in question. He purposefully took a blow from Akainu to protect him.
Purely coincidence
Jimbei's devotion to Luffy has never been in question. He purposefully took a blow from Akainu to protect him.
But that was before the becoming a nakama issue ever even became a thing. It's one thing to throw one's life away before even getting to know him and only as a means of paying a debt to someone else, and another to say, "I know your heart, I believe in you, and I'll sail with you as long as I live." I think the best analogy is from Suicide Squad; the scene where the Joker asks Harley if she'd die for him. That's Jimbei protecting Luffy at Marinford. Joker then asking if she'll LIVE for him, that's Jimbei being immune to Big Mom's lifedrain.
What I think people are arguing is that Jimbe doesn't receive effective treatment as a Strawhat.
It's like one of those laws in the real world that is officially valid, but nobody cares about, nobody obeys it and the entire Justice system overlooks its existence. It's just not effective.
I think the real reason why Oda has been hiding Jinbei is because he's been non-stop swimming from Whole Cake Island and is now lean and lithe. :ninja:
Jinbe going from Jumba to Pleakley, I like it
Forget about the volume cover. We still don't know the name of Tama's devil fruit.
If it ends up being "Niku Niku no mi" which uses the numbers 2 & 9, then she's joining the crew for sure.
And why "niku", you are wondering. Because the word means "flesh", or "meat" in english. Not only it fits in how she uses her abilities, by tearing off a chunk of her own flesh, it also follows the same formula of combining two numbers.
The strawhat crew devil fruits listed below in case someone forgot:
Gomu Gomu - 5 & 6
Hitô Hitô - 1 & 10
Hana Hana - 8 & 7
Yomi Yomi - 4 & 3
But the dumplings are millet grain dango, not meat and no longer flesh. It doesn't work as a double pun unless she can make other kinds of food, which she hasn't indicated.
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We're sure he will be a strawhat, but he literally isn't one yet. The intro page is the clearest demonstration of this so far, Oda said "these are the strawhats" and then didn't include Jimbei.
The sad fact is that despite everything, literally nothing has changed in regards to Jimbei's crewmate status since the end of FI, almost 300 chapters ago.
Literally nothing? Like literally?
Jimbei's devotion to Luffy has never been in question. He purposefully took a blow from Akainu to protect him.
Jimbei's devotion was in question forever. Even after all the events of Fishman Island and Jimbei spelled out very clearly that being captain had no allure for him people were questioning if Jimbei was willing to "lower" himself and follow Luffy. Everyone during the war was trying to protect Luffy with all they had. For many readers Jimbei was just another ally in the crowd.
Some people unconvinced of Jimbei's crew mate status only started to change their tone during Whole Cake when we found out Jimbei had a man crush on Luffy.
Luffy said he was Jimbei's captain now, in story thats enough. Oda will certainly start including him in the volume recap pages once he returns in the story. For now though leaving him out of the Straw Hat section leaves the ending to Whole Cake open and bitter sweet as it should be. They crew came up with Sanji and the Poneglyph rubbings but at what cost? Pedro and Jimbei being left behind. Jimbei being there would have probably put too much of a happy spin on that ending that Oda didn't want just yet.
Maybe at the last minute Oda figured he'd leave the crew split during Wano for a while and Jimbei returning would be the final piece to an ultimate unite up scene. Luffy's free, Jimbei's back and everyone's together for a mini celebration worthy of a new Straw Hat member.
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Literally nothing? Like literally?
If someone took volumes 67, and 91 and compared them side by side, would they be able to tell that Jimbei's status with the crew had changed even one iota? I don't think so.
Jimbei's devotion was in question forever. Even after all the events of Fishman Island and Jimbei spelled out very clearly that being captain had no allure for him people were questioning if Jimbei was willing to "lower" himself and follow Luffy. Everyone during the war was trying to protect Luffy with all they had. For many readers Jimbei was just another ally in the crowd.
Lolwut? Jimbei makes so many absolutist statements of loyalty towards Luffy that it actually became a running joke for the characters in the manga. And Jimbei was the only one standing by Luffy when he grieved for his brother. He's the one who put Luffy's psyche back together. They didn't have to think for sure that he would join, but anyone who thought Jimbei was "just another ally in the crowd" clearly has no reading comprehension.
Purely coincidence
I think Tama's fruit name will go along with taming.
by this point I'm pretty sure Viz is gonna call it Tame Tame Fruit.
People still holding out on a girl with no self-defense capabilities.
Lolwut? Jimbei makes so many absolutist statements of loyalty towards Luffy that it actually became a running joke for the characters in the manga. And Jimbei was the only one standing by Luffy when he grieved for his brother. He's the one who put Luffy's psyche back together. They didn't have to think for sure that he would join, but anyone who thought Jimbei was "just another ally in the crowd" clearly has no reading comprehension.
You've only joined recently so you don't know but even after fishman island when he said "I'll join , I'm just gonna break things off with Big Mom", people started immediately speculating that he would die, in order for Oda to buff up a Yonko
it most certainly wasn't as "Obvious" as you make it out to be
I mean it was obvious to many of us, but for some reason people just wanted to deny it
I still think it's because he's fat lol
also for anyone confused as to why I'm talking like I've been here along time despite my join date, it's cause I got a new computer and lost my password and email, I'm choperman, this is my new account
also, the false rumor of 'Oda said next crewmember will be female' was all over the internet and the 'sausage party' bullshit was destroyed with Jinbe coming in, so yeah lots of people are silly mad.
it doesn't matter now, what would be interesting is if Oda plans to have a watch out, a cabin boy or whatever position plans to fill with eleventh.
also, the false rumor of 'Oda said next crewmember will be female' was all over the internet and the 'sausage party' bullshit was destroyed with Jinbe coming in, so yeah lots of people are silly mad.
it doesn't matter now, what would be interesting is if Oda plans to have a watch out, a cabin boy or whatever position plans to fill with eleventh.
I don't believe anyone said that, those comments are just desires from the fans. I don't believe anyone here or any forum I've visited have made such a claim.
You've only joined recently so you don't know but even after fishman island when he said "I'll join , I'm just gonna break things off with Big Mom", people started immediately speculating that he would die, in order for Oda to buff up a Yonko
This account may be recent, but I was on this forum from a bit before Blackbeard made his appearance at Marineford until mid Punk Hazard. I wasn't too active, but I posted from time to time. Then, I forgot my password as well as my ancient email account so I just lurked for a while until this whole Carrot debate motivated me to make a new account. I am well aware of the "jimbei-will-die" theories.
Most of the "Jimbei-will-die" theories are based on his statements that he would be willing to give his life for Luffy. So I don't see why you're bringing this up in order to prove that his devotion to Luffy was in doubt. It proves the exact opposite.
Guessing the courtesan this chapter will probably turn out either Lady Toki or Hiyori. The obscured face and smile in her short scene reminds me of the flashback with Lady Toki in 920.
This has me wondering about time travel plots. Can the Time fruit ONLY travel to the future? Ace made a promise to O-tama that he'd take her out to sea when she became a fine kunoichi one day. What if O-tama is sent into the past, grows up, and now there's an adult O-tama lurking about?
I'm not sure how much I trust the Time fruit to only send people into the future, especially with some secretive person from possibly the void century like Lady Toki.
Guessing the courtesan this chapter will probably turn out either Lady Toki or Hiyori. The obscured face and smile in her short scene reminds me of the flashback with Lady Toki in 920.
This has me wondering about time travel plots. Can the Time fruit ONLY travel to the future? Ace made a promise to O-tama that he'd take her out to sea when she became a fine kunoichi one day. What if O-tama is sent into the past, grows up, and now there's an adult O-tama lurking about?
I'm not sure how much I trust the Time fruit to only send people into the future, especially with some secretive person from possibly the void century like Lady Toki.
There’s a blatant Paradox there
There’s a blatant Paradox there
I'm thinking more on the terms of closed loop time travel.
I feel like Lady Toki is dead because if she is indeed from the void century she could easily explain away the whole story. That's just not going to happen and it'd render the History poneglyphs useless.
But if Lady Toki is dead, that means the Time DF is no longer with her, setting up a chekov's gun where someone in the present time probably has and uses the DF.
But using the power only to send someone into the future just delays the problem.
I feel like we're be in for some time travel plots. So maybe some child we know today will be sent back in time and the crew has yet to meet the character as an adult.
The only way we'll see a grown Tama is if the WHOLE CREW is sent a few years into the future, by someone who ate Toki's fruit in Wano.
Yeah, that doesn't sound very likely to happen to me
Why? Just because Lady Toki said time traced to the past was impossible I'm not convinced that what she said is true. Time traveling to the past would probably be a bad idea, so she'd probably want to prevent anyone from messing up causality
I'm thinking more on the terms of closed loop time travel.
I feel like Lady Toki is dead because if she is indeed from the void century she could easily explain away the whole story. That's just not going to happen and it'd render the History poneglyphs useless.
But if Lady Toki is dead, that means the Time DF is no longer with her, setting up a chekov's gun where someone in the present time probably has and uses the DF.
But using the power only to send someone into the future just delays the problem.
I feel like we're be in for some time travel plots. So maybe some child we know today will be sent back in time and the crew has yet to meet the character as an adult.
Wouldn’t she still have knowledge of the future? That means she can essentially change the past and create multiple realities… If you say it’s a time loop that’s predestined to happen then that means it’s useless to even have the whole traveling to the past thing since it’s predestined to begin with
I really don't get why people think Toki would lie in that situation.
I'm about a week late but uhh….. I remember reading tons of Perona joining theories a long time ago...
Can those start up again? 
I really don't get why people think Toki would lie in that situation.
Traveling to the past is a BAD idea, something that creates a lot of problems. However, as Imma said the past is already set so the events leading up to it are already predetermined.
Still it's probably not something you would want to encourage.
The problem with introducing the Time DF into the story is that it'll be used later. Either Toki is alive and she's a giant walking spoiler about the VC or she's dead and someone else has the fruit. I'm betting the latter is the case.
I also don't see the fruit in the present time being used to toss someone into the future again. Kind of like Kinemon's situation it just delayed dealing with Kaido. So maybe the fruit will be used to throw someone into the past. Something that's reckless and ill advised, something Luffy would do.
Traveling to the past is a BAD idea, something that creates a lot of problems. However, as Imma said the past is already set so the events leading up to it are already predetermined.
Still it's probably not something you would want to encourage.
The problem with introducing the Time DF into the story is that it'll be used later. Either Toki is alive and she's a giant walking spoiler about the VC or she's dead and someone else has the fruit. I'm betting the latter is the case.
I also don't see the fruit in the present time being used to toss someone into the future again. Kind of like Kinemon's situation it just delayed dealing with Kaido. So maybe the fruit will be used to throw someone into the past. Something that's reckless and ill advised, something Luffy would do.
Encourage what? She was the only one with that ability. No one, much less her royal retainers, is going to force her to send someone back in time even if that was actually possible. Which it isn't. Again, she has no reason to lie to them.
The problem with introducing the Time DF into the story is that it'll be used later. Either Toki is alive and she's a giant walking spoiler about the VC or she's dead and someone else has the fruit. I'm betting the latter is the case.
You're assuming this, but frankly all I expect from Oda is Toki in a flashback related to the VC or something along those lines, due to it being pointed out that she came from the distant past. Or even seeing her previous usages of the DF that led her to meet Oden and finally deciding to settle down. That's really the only "obligation" Oda has to fulfill as far as I'm concerned, not something convoluted in the present day where he gives the DF to a random person and attempts to do a whole other thing with that. Not every DF gets reused in the present day, so I won't be surprised if the Time DF is one of them.
Even if Oda did surprise us and kept her alive, it's nothing new as far as "spoilers" go. We already have a walking spoiler in Rayleigh for example.
The only reason people seem intent on pushing this theory is solely to try and get past Tama's blatant age issue, despite one needing to make a lot of assumptions to seriously argue this theory.
I never said for sure that Tama is being thrown back in time and joining the Strawhats as an adult. I've never seen anyone bring up this theory at all so calm down.
I'm just speculating right now that we might be due for some more time travel wonkery. It's kind of like Law's immortal surgery, it will come into play again. Toki might be dead but the existence of the time travel DF as a plot device means it'll be used in the present story.
However throwing someone into the future doesn't really do anything for our protagonists, so perhaps we'll see sometime travel to the past.
So perhaps Toki is lying. She might have reason to given that at best it might be fruitless, at worst it might have already caused the problems of today.
I never said for sure that Tama is being thrown back in time and joining the Strawhats as an adult. I've never seen anyone bring up this theory at all so calm down.
Uh, I'm fine lol
And well yes, I've seen this theory and its variations quite a few times, all centered around figuring out how to age up Tama more or less.
I'm just speculating right now that we might be due for some more time travel wonkery. It's kind of like Law's immortal surgery, it will come into play again. Toki might be dead but the existence of the time travel DF as a plot device means it'll be used in the present story.
Lol, I actually wanted to bring up Law's DF as an example in my previous post, as it was the first thing that came to mind as to what I was getting at. As for the rest of your post, well, we won't get anywhere since I have no reason to doubt Toki, so agree to disagree.
I think vegapunk will give the next nakama. But not himself, one of the weapons he makes, like the object eating fruit. Like Lassoo, Funkfleed. Mybe with a bird model or reptile.
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I think vegapunk will give the next nakama. But not himself, one of the weapons he makes, like the object eating fruit. Like Lassoo, Funkfleed. Mybe with a bird model or reptile.
If that were to happen, it wouldn't be a new nakama. It would just become part of an actual strawhat's arsenal, like Zeus is to Nami.
Makes me wonder if Zeus will be staying for the long haul or if Big Mom will take him back.
Makes me wonder if Zeus will be staying for the long haul or if Big Mom will take him back.
Sues is maintained by Momma’s DF so if something were to happen to her, Zeus would die… I think Momma will die before series end and so Zues and most of Totoland will die with her
Sues is maintained by Momma’s DF so if something were to happen to her, Zeus would die… I think Momma will die before series end and so Zues and most of Totoland will die with her
What if it is more like Brook's DF where the soul lives on despite the death of the physical body? Oda seems to like redemption stories so maybe one good thing can come from what she used her wicked power for even if she croaks without reforming (although I get the feeling she herself doesn't need to since Katakuri will likely be the one who takes the family in a newer, better direction after her).
Come to think of it I don't remember ever hearing any theorizing on how Brook's DF is deactivated in order to be recycled. Just how much damage does his remaining skeleton have to sustain before the DF abandons him and recycles elsewhere?
Sues is maintained by Momma’s DF so if something were to happen to her, Zeus would die… I think Momma will die before series end and so Zues and most of Totoland will die with her
Why do you think she will die? I think the story is hinting at her as an ally, at least in the final war. If she does die, I think Kaido and Shanks will as well.
Teach should be well aware that Luffy coming out victorious from Wano means big trouble for him, since Luffy and Shanks would be a massive power together, meaning Shanks is gonna get grounded right after Kaido, or Teach allies Mama to balance with Shanks/Luffy.
Why do you think she will die? I think the story is hinting at her as an ally, at least in the final war. If she does die, I think Kaido and Shanks will as well.
And I think that Sanji and Pudding will be the biggest factor in making her an ally by revealing about the truth of the wedding cake and possibly being at the mercy of the greatest chef in One Piece.
What if it is more like Brook's DF where the soul lives on despite the death of the physical body? Oda seems to like redemption stories so maybe one good thing can come from what she used her wicked power for even if she croaks without reforming (although I get the feeling she herself doesn't need to since Katakuri will likely be the one who takes the family in a newer, better direction after her).
Come to think of it I don't remember ever hearing any theorizing on how Brook's DF is deactivated in order to be recycled. Just how much damage does his remaining skeleton have to sustain before the DF abandons him and recycles elsewhere?
Well Brook’s fruit is different since it hasn’t reincarnated… If Momma dies and her fruit reincarnates then that’s a whole other deal... The mere fact that homies were affected by whatver mental state Momma was in Tells me they are way too connected to Momma’s well being for them to obtain autonomy from the fruit itself
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Why do you think she will die? I think the story is hinting at her as an ally, at least in the final war. If she does die, I think Kaido and Shanks will as well.
I don’t think Momma can get redemption from an external Force… Even if she finds out what happened to caramel, she won’t just obtain a conscious from that and become a good guy... I think of Momma will remain the way she is with one difference, self-loathing... This self-loathing will result in her starving herself for the first time and I mean pure starving herself to the point that her own willpower will overcome that Sugar rage and after that it’s up in the air... Either she just permanently puts herself out of commission for the rest of the series or she just dies, essentially through suicide by starvation
Anyway this is may seem too morose for One Piece but Mamma already introduced a lot of morose elements herself into the story that were previously not there so this isn’t so out of left field. I just can’t see how she can actually turn some other leaf with the way her character is built to the point that she actually becomes an ally...
And of course the Big Mom pirates can still b come allies of Luffy without Big Mom herself
