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Doesn't seem to be the case, though seeing as how Page One is at 290 million and of a higher position than Speed, it's possible that Speed's bounty might end up being below 300 million.
Thanks a bunch, I would have assumed all headliners would have bounties. When you see that most of Big Mom kids have one. It's maybe the case but not revealed. Same for the numbers. Anyway merci beaucoup 
It's kinda sad all these Supernovas got their own chance to have CoA and CoO officialised while a bunch of characters will never be due lack of 2.0 Cards.
I mean, Kid, Killer, Drake, Hawkins and Apoo were not declared as haki users when their first card was published, even if their was the post-timeskip version already. The updated version has it. Pretty surely the same will go for Bonney and Apoo when they'll get their shiny moment. But Bege missed the train as his was the first and only own card (until if he'll get enough spotlight to achieve a new card sooner or later, which I fear he won't).
This discrepancy between two cards of the same character bugs me. Just like Jack, if Ivankov and Kuma will get a new character arc, they'll prlloy get officialised as haki users (would be kinda odd if the four horsemen of revocalypse do have both basic haki and the actual Grand Leader Officer doesn't).
And I can't really believe Magellan, the actual director of the greatest prison of the WG hasn't them either when all CP9 agents but Spandam are proficient users. And what about some ever-standing characters which have already proven to have fought New World great names like Crocodile or even Moriah? Of course there could be justifications for it, as maybe Moriah is literally too lazy, but Crocodile fought Whitebeard in his youth and Mihawk/Doffy/Sakazuki at Marineford. He'd really be able to exchange blows with all of them and survive unharmed without a glimpse of CoO and CoA when even Diamante, Trebol and Pica have it? Is it narratively safe to have (former) Warlords without haki? (Buggy is out of topic for obvious reasons. And even there I can't really handle a pirate which actually lived under Roger's wing don't at least have a hint of dunno CoO. Maybe never developed, but–).
Wait, so now it's confirmed that all the Topi Robbo and Calamities have observation haki? Really? Does Kaido just not let his people use this ability? With the way the raid has gone it's like his people don't avoid damage because they can't or don't want too.
Although to be fair I guess most of those attacks came from other observation haki users, but it still feels like none of them ever use it. Also, I doubt that Black Maria, for example, could have seen Demonio coming in either case.
My total guess is that most gifters would be in the 50-100 million bounty range, with headliners going for 80-150 million range. Of course, some few outliers could reach higher.
In essence, a gifter would make a fair pre-TS fight for most Straw Hats. A headliner is probably around pre-TS Zoro or Sanji in terms of difficulty. A pre-TS Luffy could have some trouble fighting one of them, but would still defeat it (like he did with Marigold/Sandersonia).
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
My total guess is that most gifters would be in the 50-100 million bounty range, with headliners going for 80-150 million range. Of course, some few outliers could reach higher.
In essence, a gifter would make a fair pre-TS fight for most Straw Hats. A headliner is probably around pre-TS Zoro or Sanji in terms of difficulty. A pre-TS Luffy could have some trouble fighting one of them, but would still defeat it (like he did with Marigold/Sandersonia).
And that Page One might have gotten up to the Flying Six at 290 million because he's more cautious compared to his sister and the others.
And that Page One might have gotten up to the Flying Six at 290 million because he's more cautious compared to his sister and the others.
I question Drake's bounty. I was expecting him to have 444 million (double his pre-TS value), but there was no increase.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
I question Drake's bounty. I was expecting him to have 444 million (double his pre-TS value), but there was no increase.
Well, he is secretly with the Marines to begin with, so I suppose 222 million is enough of a cover even with Kaido.
Well, he is secretly with the Marines to begin with, so I suppose 222 million is enough of a cover even with Kaido.
Sure, but for a secret to be a secret few people must know it. I imagine his bounty would keep increasing because people who report him and people who define bounties are unlikely to know he's a secret agent.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
That's only if he kept doing pirate things during those 2 years.
It may just be the 222 was enough for him to get in to the Beast pirates and he merely flexed his way in to the Tobbi Roppo.
The only issue is why there wasn't an increase for joining the Beast pirates.
Sure, but for a secret to be a secret few people must know it. I imagine his bounty would keep increasing because people who report him and people who define bounties are unlikely to know he's a secret agent.
Kizaru must not have known. Even on the basis of acting, at Sabaody, he kicked Drake rather forcefully to the point that a large building almost came down on top of him:
I mean, let's be real here - in the world of One Piece, what kind of Supernova-level pirate or Marine can't handle getting kicked through a few buildings?
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I mean, let's be real here - in the world of One Piece, what kind of Supernova-level pirate or Marine can't handle getting kicked through a few buildings?
If he can handle being kicked at the speed of light he'd basically be able to withstand anything.
Do we know why the 3rd binder is so small, all 3 binders are really filled up now with all the packs
It's presumably just planned as a Wano binder, barely enough to fit everything coming for this arc but going no further. Probably the way it's going to be going forward.
They're definitely cutting it close for anyone who didn't or couldn't pick up the extra "original binder" though. Mine are full to bursting and it's going to be tight when they fill in the missing EX cards through the set, or if more Skills cards come out.
Some interesting and official videos with information from Vivre Cards!!
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Weird that the first video was set private. I caught it this morning before they took it down and it's a height comparison of a bunch of different characters. Pretty cool to look at, actually.
Hopefully there's just one little thing they need to tweak before it goes back up.
Happy to see Tamago's fruit confirmed to be a zoan after a while we had it stated as "unknown".
How come Yamato's debut is listed Chapter 984 even though Yamato appeared in Chapter 983?
The unmasking and Odabox weren't until 984, and I guess that's what makes an official debut. I'm pretty sure there have been similar cases where silhouetted or obscured cameos before a full design reveal didn't count either.
How come Yamato's debut is listed Chapter 984 even though Yamato appeared in Chapter 983?
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Where did you find that translation?
Where did you find that translation?
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pypaxu/full_translation_of_the_overwhelming_strength/
Where can we go to read the translations of the vivre cards? I really want to see what they say about the a Black Beard Pirates
Back by popular demand (like two people), the Vivre Card mini card archive! I had everything since the New Starter Set to catch up with - there were a lot of repeat characters in those packs, but still more than enough new ones to keep my busy. I hope I haven't missed anyone or mixed up any names. Picking colours for some of these EX characters was a challenge. Do we consider the Klabutermann an animal species? Equivalent to a non-combatant carpenter? Or since the only one we know represents the Merry, a part of the Straw Hat Crew? The distinction between animals that just count as animals and those that act as a mount/pet and share the colour of their master was also sometimes hard to decide.
Some interesting stats: the highest number we've got so far is 1585, but enough characters have been introduced since Juki that we're probably pushing 1600 in the main manga. But let's call 1585 the upper limit for now. Of 1585 character slots, 877 have now been filled. That's only 55% of the cast recorded so far. If all of the 708 characters not yet in the databook are EX characters, it will take at least 45 more full EX cards with 16 characters each to include them all. That could mean three normal-size booster packs of literally nothing but EX cards!
I start to wonder how they'll actually complete this thing, if they ever manage to…
But anyway, the full set of cards so far is beneath the cut.
(edited because of course I missed one the first time)
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I still have no idea who the empty spaces before and after Masira could be.
Only thing that comes to mind are the random researchers mentioned in the narrator boxes. Louie Willy something and Jew Wall (this name is unforgettable).
I still have no idea who the empty spaces before and after Masira could be.
Only thing that comes to mind are the random researchers mentioned in the narrator boxes. Louie Willy something and Jew Wall (this name is unforgettable).
Yeah, there's really not a lot of other options in those chapters, aside from I guess the crew of the St Briss or the giant turtle. Maybe they're just waiting for someone to ask Oda to draw ole Willie Garon and Jew Wall in an SBS to get a visual.
I still have no idea who the empty spaces before and after Masira could be.
Only thing that comes to mind are the random researchers mentioned in the narrator boxes. Louie Willy something and Jew Wall (this name is unforgettable).
Yep.
Quick question, are all of these blank spaces mainly just Oda's estimates for the character slots yet to cover in the story? Has there been any mention of how much he is involved with the Vivre Card project?
Quick question, are all of these blank spaces mainly just Oda's estimates for the character slots yet to cover in the story? Has there been any mention of how much he is involved with the Vivre Card project?
I remember before release they showed a photo of one of the character list documents, I think from Thriller Bark, so yeah they definitely have the whole cast mapped out.
Aside from filling in the odd birthday or trivia detail and chiming in with pun names for background characters, I can't imagine this is the kind of project they need much input from Oda for. Editors would have been keeping track of the cast for continuity reasons anyway, and the amount of truly new information in each card is fairly low, especially for EX cards.
Just for fun, the most popular characters whose ages have been revealed through vivre cards:
Carrot: 15
Marco: 43 / 45
Bon Clay: 30 / 32
Enel: 37 / 39
Koby: 16 / 18
Kiku: 22
Izou: 43 / 45
Pell: 33 / 35
Fujitora: 54
Beckman: 48 / 50
Gaimon: 43 / 45
Dragon: 53 / 55
Kaidou: 59
Hiriluk: 68
Paulie: 24 / 26
Karoo: 14 / 16
Ivankov: 51 / 53
Morgans: 53
Denjiro: 47
Gin: 25 / 27
Marguerite: 16 / 18
Wyper: 22 / 24
Caesar: 40
Kinemon: 36
Zeff: 65 / 67
Vista: 45 / 47
Kawamatsu: 41
Chouchou: 12 / 14
Oh yeah, apparently Hatcha is like 188, which is either an error, or he was a giant they tried to make even bigger?
Oh yeah, apparently Hatcha is like 188, which is either an error, or he was a giant they tried to make even bigger?
Yeah, he might have been giant to begin with, implying the others are too.
Yeah, he might have been giant to begin with, implying the others are too.
And how Fuga is a centaur giant, as well.
More Vivre Card ages:
Nekomamushi: 40
Noland: 39
Iceburg: 38 / 40
Mikita: 22 / 24
Kyros: 44
Dadan: 53 / 55
Makino: 29 / 31
King: 47
Gedatsu: 29 / 31
Hannyabal: 33 / 35
Bonez: 29 / 31
Bellamy: 25 / 27
Magellan: 45 / 47
Higuma: 46
Betty: 34
Kalgara: 39
Raki: 20 / 22
Alvida: 25 / 27
Ryuma: 47
Conis: 19 / 21
Galdino: 35 / 37
Queen: 56
Nezumi: 34 / 36
Nojiko: 20 / 22
Yasuie: 71
Tom: 67
Saul: 105
Tiger: 48
Olvia: 33
Marianne: 16 / 18
Sandersonia: 28 / 30
Roux: 33 / 35
T-Bone: 51 / 53
Otohime: 36
Mansherry: 25
Koza: 20 / 22
Kaya: 17 / 19
Jack: 28
Charlos: 22 / 24
Shakky: 62 / 64
Speed: 24
Cricket: 41 / 43
Toko: 6
Momonga: 46 / 48
Cindry: 24
Kanjuro: 34
Pearl: 23 / 25
Chimney: 8 / 10
No news about new cards?
So after ignoring the Vivrecard booster packs sitting on shelves for years now I finally succumbed to actually getting my hands on the entire set that's released so far.^^' What's been holding me off is that I didn't care for Databooks as much as a decade ago since the information is faulty. But I gotta say just as a character compendium this is actually quite awesome to have. Looking forward to future sets.
I haven't read through everything yet but if there's one complaint I could bring to these things right of the bat, then it's Norla not having her own card but rather being listed in the Sky Island extra page. I mean come on, the Punk Hazard dragon got it's own card and that thing was pretty much just in one chapter (plus the spread from the previous chap.). Norla had a lot more screen time, was involved in more than one memorable and funny moments in Skypiea and actually even had some backstory from 400 years ago. How does that snake get less attention than the dragon. Norla was awesome!
Yeah it's a shame they couldn't have started making Vivre Cards sooner because there is some definite recency bias in the characters that get full cards and the ones that get the EX treatment. I definitely agree that they're worth the investment to collect!
Man, we have to start getting due for more sets soon to finish of Wano and the lingering EX characters from the past. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the Beasts Pirates get reissued in these speculative catch up packs now that the colour manga is a big more up to date though. Gotta have some marketable names in the mix and it's way too soon to have anything for the Egghead characters ready.
I'm actually wondering how most of the Gifters will be handled. Most of them really are just one panel gag characters that don't deserve more than to be on an EX card. But on the other hand their one defining feature is their whacky design which deserves a full body shot rather than the face shot the EX cards get. Perhaps going the route the Usopp Pirates, the Numbers or the Oniwabanshu went, with having several characters on one card would be an approach.
Also on the topic of holding characters back for a future release I have to ask what's with the Numbers? We have Hacha in color and the other ones black and white. But it's the shot where Hacha is lifting one if those guys, who is colored in that shot but not in his own. That's weird. Also if colors are an issue they just could have released them at a future pack.
Yeah there's a few gaps in the list on Wano EX-characters already where some of the early Gifters were introduced, so at the very least they're getting their own standalone EX-cards, but I'd also definitely rather see something with enough room to show off their full bodies.
On the colours, it seems like the Vivre Cards were made a higher priority than the digital colour volumes, and marketability was king over all, so a lot of the last set came out before the volumes actually got to Onigashima. To market the Vivre Cards while the characters on them were at their most relevant, the colourists must have had to hand in early work for some panels (there's talks in the digital colour thread about the differences and I've been thinking of putting together a panel by panel comparison between the cards and the volumes) and just couldn't get some others done to standard by the time the cards went to print.
It's probably the same kind of reasoning they've used to not give us a dozen packs of just EX-cards to get all the way up to date during the gap. You need a big name character to put on the front of the pack so it'll sell, whether that means shortchanging the bit parts or rushing the colourists.
@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Yeah there's a few gaps in the list on Wano EX-characters already where some of the early Gifters were introduced, so at the very least they're getting their own standalone EX-cards, but I'd also definitely rather see something with enough room to show off their full bodies.
I think that at least Babanuki deserves his own card as he definitely played a larger role compared to the remaining Gifters. If not at least a team card where you have him with Daifugo.
I mean I do understand that there's not really much in terms of text based content to fill a card for each Gifter but if we can milk the series for something ridiculous as All Faces then selling the Gifters would definitelybe the lesser evil as it is a characters compendium that hits a "gotta get 'em all" spot for collectors. Plus the cards are not sold seperately so it's not that much of a cash grab.
On the colours, it seems like the Vivre Cards were made a higher priority than the digital colour volumes, and marketability was king over all, so a lot of the last set came out before the volumes actually got to Onigashima. To market the Vivre Cards while the characters on them were at their most relevant, the colourists must have had to hand in early work for some panels (there's talks in the digital colour thread about the differences and I've been thinking of putting together a panel by panel comparison between the cards and the volumes) and just couldn't get some others done to standard by the time the cards went to print.
I see. Well that makes sense then. But in that case going with just Hacha and having the other Numbers in a later booster would have been a better choice IMO.
It's probably the same kind of reasoning they've used to not give us a dozen packs of just EX-cards to get all the way up to date during the gap. You need a big name character to put on the front of the pack so it'll sell, whether that means shortchanging the bit parts or rushing the colourists.
Yeah, but you also have the Index set that only has four character cards and the rest is index cards and sticker. I actually liked that they did that so it's something they could pull with EX cards too.
Speaking of which, I also would not have had the entire Foxy Pirates be EX cards. Sure guys like Donovan can be EX. But as little as information we have, the guys who actually played a role in the various games should have actual cards. Aside from Porsche every other named FP could be in a group card. Have one card for the Groggy Monsters, one for Capote and Moda and one for Itomimizu and Chuchun. I'm sad that the Davey Back Fight always gets treated as a filler arc. 
@Ivotas So many one-off Gifters got full body art with the big name text inside the manga itself, Hamlet, Fourtricks, Poker and Mizerka, just off the top of my head, are introduced in a way that's perfect for Vivre Cards. It would need to be a group one of some kind because of the lack of other info, but the main art is right there.
There's probably another Numbers card on the way anyway for the half of them not introduced at the time of the first one. Hopefully they find the time to update the art for the ones already done as well.
I agree on the Foxy Pirates! The ones who played could definitely support full cards. I get why the Davy Back Fight is no one's favourite arc, but it still has its moments, ends pretty quickly, and lays some important groundwork for Water Seven. There should be a tiny bit more respect for all that.
@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@Ivotas So many one-off Gifters got full body art with the big name text inside the manga itself, Hamlet, Fourtricks, Poker and Mizerka, just off the top of my head, are introduced in a way that's perfect for Vivre Cards. It would need to be a group one of some kind because of the lack of other info, but the main art is right there.
The more I think about it the more I feel like it really wouldn't hurt to have them on actual cards. Aside from the character information aspect this really also feels like a character collection compendium. And there surely is people who would like it just for that.
There's probably another Numbers card on the way anyway for the half of them not introduced at the time of the first one. Hopefully they find the time to update the art for the ones already done as well.
Do they update the art on the Vivrecards? Has this happened before? Because then I'd also hope the Kaido card to eliminate the black and white beastman mode.
I agree on the Foxy Pirates! The ones who played could definitely support full cards. I get why the Davy Back Fight is no one's favourite arc, but it still has its moments, ends pretty quickly, and lays some important groundwork for Water Seven. There should be a tiny bit more respect for all that.
Not being a favorite arc is one thing. But the sheer dislike it receives is beyond me. It's such an amazing little arc that has so many great gags and character interactions that are just prime One Piece. Not everything needs to be part of an epic adventure. This arc did more for Strawhat interactions than most of the New World. It always saddens me when this doesn't seem imporant to people.
I think that after doing most of the characters they will focus on their abilities and techniques. Also, cards that feature islands, weapons and so on. It is expected to act like a visual dictionary, right?
@Ivotas We've had a couple of different iterations of the Luffy-taro and Zoro-juro cards with artistic tweaks and different panels used, but the early versions were all promo ones that came with issues of Jump.
I think people would feel cheated if they bought a whole pack of cards that were the same as the old ones with just those little art tweaks, so they'd have to make new cards with more info. I think for the Numbers it would just mean folding the ones that have already been done into whatever they're planning to do for the remaining five or so. Kaido also wouldn't be too bad to follow up, given that he's got a backstory since his first card. His hybrid form would have to be the main art.
Fixing the monochrome hybrid form art on the Tobi Roppo cards would be more difficult to justify though.
On the Davy Back Fight, I always wonder how many people, especially on more reactionary forums like reddit and twitter, have actually read the manga in full, or if a lot of them watched the anime first and only know the manga from wherever they caught up. Of course someone who only saw the anime's version would be more inclined to think of Davy Back is filler, they added enough of it to the arc.
@puffing-cinema Islands would be cool, more ships, too, would be an especially good option in my mind.
They just have to think of a way to do it without messing up the numbering (or anyone's filing system)
@puffing-cinema said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
I think that after doing most of the characters they will focus on their abilities and techniques. Also, cards that feature islands, weapons and so on. It is expected to act like a visual dictionary, right?
I would totally love that. The various different locations are one of the best things about this adventure. Disappointed that the second binder doesn't have Whiskey Peak shown among all the other islands.
@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@Ivotas We've had a couple of different iterations of the Luffy-taro and Zoro-juro cards with artistic tweaks and different panels used, but the early versions were all promo ones that came with issues of Jump.
Oh, that's different versions of the same cards? I thought that's bonus cards rather than an update. Haven't tried to read through the text yet so I didn't notice it. Mine didn't come with Jump though. They were in the Index booster.
I think people would feel cheated if they bought a whole pack of cards that were the same as the old ones with just those little art tweaks, so they'd have to make new cards with more info. I think for the Numbers it would just mean folding the ones that have already been done into whatever they're planning to do for the remaining five or so. Kaido also wouldn't be too bad to follow up, given that he's got a backstory since his first card. His hybrid form would have to be the main art.
I'd have no problems with more updated cards. Also with Izo we see that there's characters that can move from an EX card to his own card once the story does more with him.
On the Davy Back Fight, I always wonder how many people, especially on more reactionary forums like reddit and twitter, have actually read the manga in full, or if a lot of them watched the anime first and only know the manga from wherever they caught up. Of course someone who only saw the anime's version would be more inclined to think of Davy Back is filler, they added enough of it to the arc.
I wonder that too sometimes.
