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Chapter 906: The Holy Land Mary Geoise
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Oh I see. It's a beautiful word. I can picture it written in books!
After reading through it again i actually realised that that straw-hat is one of the many objects 'enshrined' there, but having a spotlight on it.
I am now absolutely sure that it is not the 'treasure' Doffy was talking about.https://s22.postimg.cc/r0ynd91y9/Screen_Shot_2018-06-02_at_8.51.35_PM.png
I only see a cross, really. Like this one:
After reading through it again i actually realised that that straw-hat is one of the many objects 'enshrined' there, but having a spotlight on it.
I am now absolutely sure that it is not the 'treasure' Doffy was talking about.https://s22.postimg.cc/r0ynd91y9/Screen_Shot_2018-06-02_at_8.51.35_PM.png
I believe the hat may be part of the treasure, not all of it. Maybe there is a group of valuable items and the SH is one of them… you know, like "the objects that used to belong to the mythical heroes who defeated the Dark God Whatever", something like that.
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There is so little we know about the hat I can't even feel like theorizing about it. I mean, even to make dumb absurd theories you need to have a minimum grasp of what you are talking about…
But I would like to at least point out that hat is probably not the only thing there:
https://s15.postimg.cc/4ij3llwe3/malijeoiasoe.png
In this image, we can see there are at least six more "spaces on the wall" (architecture is not my passion) besides the one with the strawhat.Maybe there used to be more things, but the strawhat is the last remaining one. Those other alcoves seem empty to me due to not being lit up.
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i still think that the tresure is not the hat
that entire room is the treasure..there several alcoves in that room and we only saw one..it would be strange for all of those identical alcoves to be completely empty and the entire vault to be just for that strawhat, even if it's big.
an option, don't know how feasible..that room is a kind of "prediction" room that the celestial dragons have used to obtain and mantain their power…in those alcoves there are several "things" that like a tapestry predicting the future, warn the celestial dragons of future threats and obstacles to their dominance...now reading through this collection, they are at the point of the strawhat and they didn't understand what the indication was..but now that luffy got that incredible bounty, they connected the dots, and the guy/gal in the chapter went down to the "vault" to compare the luffy's strawhat with the image
I like this theory alot.
It's like in the legacy of kain game franchise where kain had a few paintings that depicted some events of the future, but how you get to those events is uncertain. -
So I haven't seen this discussed here, someone pointed it out on another forum. Jaiminisbox edited their translation to have the center of Mary Geoise called Pangaea…
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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So I haven't seen this discussed here, someone pointed it out on another forum. Jaiminisbox edited their translation to have the center of Mary Geoise called Pangaea…
Wasnt the castle called pangea castle or did they rename something else
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Also on that note neat little reddit post I found about the signifigance of that name
! I think Oda dropped a huge hint regarding the Void Century in this latest chapter, and no, it has nothing to do with a Straw Hat. Instead it’s a detail I feel has been glossed over, mainly due to the ending of the chapter (Oda knows what he’s doing.)It’s the name of the castle: Pangaea.
For those unaware, all the continents on Earth used to be one, before tectonic shifts pulled them away, and that super-continent is called Pangaea.
This is an old theory that has never had the popularity some others have, and I don’t know where it started, but I do know it’s most vocal champion in the community has been Ed from the One Piece Podcast, so credit to him for most of the ideas that are soon to be presented.
Back before the Void Century, the islands of the One Piece world, at least those on the grand line, used to be one: The Ancient Kingdom. At the end of the Void Century, the world was remade by the new World Government.
There are some key pieces of evidence, and I’ll go over them in the order they were introduced to the series:- The weather of the Grand Line. It’s odd that the rest of the world has normal weather, and all the islands have their own magnetic pull. The idea is that they all came from one island originally. (Aside: Even if this is true, I don’t think that explains the eccentricities of the Grand Line. I think that will have something to do with Uranus.)
- Pluton: a battleship that was capable of destroying entire islands. Likely what would have fractured the Ancient Kingdom.
- Oars. Oh, wait, that’s not his full name is it? That would be Oars “The Continent Puller.” Now, that’s a bit of an odd nickname, unless, of course, it’s literal.
So the idea at this point is that the Ancient Kingdom was shattered by Pluton, then Oars, likely made to do so as a slave and perhaps with others of his kind, pulled the pieces of the Ancient Kingdom apart, giving shape to the grand line.
There was one other piece of evidence introduced before this latest one… - The Celestial Dragons, who, as this chapter reiterates, are “Descendant’s of this World’s Creators.” Yet another literal title, if their ancestors are the ones who reshaped the world of One Piece during the Void Century.
And that of course brings us to Chapter 906 and… - Pangaea: the name of the world when it was whole, and the name of the castle at the center of the Holy Land. Oda clearly picked this name for a reason, and it is not one that can be confused for something else. Located in the center of the seas, and once the center of the world, the founders of Mariejoa, who reshaped the world, reside at Pangaea.
So that’s the old theory, and I think over time it has only gotten stronger and stronger. And this latest update just solidified the claim even more.
Whatever happened during the Void Century, I am confident that it involved the reshaping of the planet and the creation of the One Piece world as we know it.
Courtesy of u/CarcosanAnarchist
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
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I think the assassin has the posters of Luffy and Mingo. He will probaly target mingo and Luffy.
As for Shirahoshi, I think Charlos will want Shirahoshi for himself and, as a result, the whole race of fishmen and mermen will become slaves for the Celestial Dragons and they will also wish to use fishmen island for themselves. Because of this, when luffy hears and sees what fishmen island has become (full of fishmen slaves and celestial dragons) he will destroy it.
HOLY SH$T!!Is it my imagination or is the large straw hat missing a piece?? The line that touches the upper left part of the wanted posters seem to go immediately down. Shouldn't that line still go more to the right?? The straw hat that luffy has could have been made from straws from that big straw hat!!!
What dou you guys think?? Am I crazy or SUPER?!
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I was first thinking that the headgear that person is wearing on the last page were the hats worn by an abbot, but now I can only see a life size queen or king chess piece with an exaggerated crown on their head.
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Also on that note neat little reddit post I found about the significance of that name
I initially thought Oda had picked the name as a symbol of the central place where all the power that governs the entire world is gathered. Interesting theory.
If I had to find a hole in it, I would ask about Raftel. Assuming the creator royal families did shape the Grand Line to their will, why would they have left behind the precious One Piece (and poneglyphs) instead of burying it all under Marie Geoise? Admittedly, survivors of the Ancient Kingdom could have come after the facts and hid their legacy in the most remote corners of this new world. But still, it's surprising that the newly formed World Government would not have tried to exert better control over this.
On a side note, since the post mentions the eccentricities of the Grand Line, I am increasingly inclined to believe they could be the result of Devil Fruit powers. We've seen it happen on Punk Hazard, later we saw Dressrosa completely reshaped in a matter of hours, then there's Whole Cake Island that went from mundane archipelago to crazy food wonderland in a few decades,…
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I was first thinking that the headgear that person is wearing on the last page were the hats worn by an abbot, but now I can only see a life size queen or king chess piece with an exaggerated crown on their head.
I was thinking that perhaps the person in the last page could be Kong, he has a similar haircut. But, of course, why would Oda hide him if we've already seen him?
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I was thinking that perhaps the person in the last page could be Kong, he has a similar haircut. But, of course, why would Oda hide him if we've already seen him?
My only guess right not is that person is the leader of the tenryuubito.
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I was thinking that perhaps the person in the last page could be Kong, he has a similar haircut. But, of course, why would Oda hide him if we've already seen him?
Not big enough to be Kong… Setting aside the question of scale, since we already have enough ambiguity in that regard, and just focusing on the overall shape of the frame, the figure looks fairly slender, whereas Kong is a broad-shouldered man like Garp.
Also, whatever the tall, spiky thing is on top of the figure, it seems more like an ornament on their headgear rather than their hair.
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Here's what I think: Roger was given his straw hat by a giant (someone with a D.). But he did not give him his entire hat, he took some straws and made a smaller hat for him. (The straw hat drawing line that touches the upper left part of the wanted posters seems to go immediately down. Shouldn't that line still go more to the right?? The straw hat that roger had could have been made from straws from that big straw hat!!!)
Maybe the giant was a viking (ODA has admited his love for vikings).
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lol
Did we just have luffy groupie and a huge hat made for Odz?
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I like the idea that the Celestial Dragons intentially fractured the world. I think it's clear at this point that the final treasure and fall of the holy land will unite the four blue seas into "one piece". X marks the spot (reverse mountain), the destruction of Fishmen Isle, the surfacing of all blue, nami being able to make her map… Just, the pirate king freeing all the oceans of the world. Some of these things might not go down so cleanly but imo it's less so a matter of where the story will go but the little details like this weirdass giant hat that will take us there.
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Carue salty as hell
Birds will eat anything smaller than them for the most part. Carue trying to get a reverie snack.
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Don’t get it, where Pangea shows in in the raws, what’s the hiragana??t
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I like the idea that the Celestial Dragons intentially fractured the world. I think it's clear at this point that the final treasure and fall of the holy land will unite the four blue seas into "one piece". X marks the spot (reverse mountain), the destruction of Fishmen Isle, the surfacing of all blue, nami being able to make her map… Just, the pirate king freeing all the oceans of the world. Some of these things might not go down so cleanly but imo it's less so a matter of where the story will go but the little details like this weirdass giant hat that will take us there.
Wasn't this theory pretty much disproven in this thread?
Carrot's still never gonna join the crew. 
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Wasn't this theory pretty much disproven in this thread?
Yup, pretty much. Most coherent theory on One Piece.
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I was just wondering, so if Luffy didn't Dressrosa from Mingo, wouldn't Mingo actually be the King representing Dressrosa at the Reverie? Would have been pretty cool to see that happening though.
Considering that Mingo took over Rosa 10 years ago, and Reverie happens once every 4 year, it would have been cool to see Mingo at an old Revere diking and laughing at the other kings
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Wasn't this theory pretty much disproven in this thread?
I'm confused. Which posts in particular do you feel disprove the theory?
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The OP is saying like… The same thing that I said in my post. OP will lead to the destruction of reverse mountain which unites the ocean, destroys FI, and unites the ocean. So no...?
I meant the discussion that follows. Though, admittedly, it's 42 pages long. But I remember that some posters (Monkey King for example) made some good counter-arguments that convinced me personally.
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Huh, alright. I'll look through it today.
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Aaaaaaand here he is:
https://s15.postimg.cc/yioxosc9n/samba_ou.png
Close enough.It was a very pleasant chapter, but there wasn't really much for me to discuss (I wonder why Carue was looking so intently at Leo, though).
EDIT: Oh, right. I forgot something: wtf is with all those royal families trying to marry Shirahoshi with one of their sons? I can pass the citizens being excited with the prospect of meeting this beauty, but trying to marry her into your royal family goes completely against all the prejudice we were led to believe the merfolk suffer.
When the kings themselves want their royal blood mixed with merfolk, there is absolutely no way to believe in that narrative. I call a big incoherence here.1. Shirahoshi's beauty was stated all the way back in FI to rival, and perhaps even surpass that of Hancock who is considered the most beautiful woman in the world.
2. Mermaids can transform their bottom half into legs at age 30 and blend in seamlessly with regular humans.
3. Shirahoshi is not a regular mermaid. She is royalty.There's no inconsistency here. If those aren't good enough reasons, then a much simpler explanation would be that not everyone in OP is a snobby, racist arsehole. We know benevolent, good-natured royalty exists (Nefertari and Dold families come to mind). Dalton also comes to mind.
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Yes, at some point in the almost 10 pages of discussion after that post, the point was clarified.
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Wasn't this theory pretty much disproven in this thread?
Huh, alright. I'll look through it today.
This. It always surprises me how easily we can "believe" a theory about still future events in a fictional story can be now 'proved to be false/true'. That's the case for 'theories' about ordinary days events or scientific facts, but 'theories' about fictional events -that belongs to a fictional story still in development- don't work the same way. The point is that in the first case, the means or methods to probe a theory if false or true has a pattern fixed for what we humans intersubjectively agree on calling 'reality', 'true', 'false' or even ' a valid method of validity or refutation'. But in the fictional stories, there aren't agreements about that, because all of that only depends on… what the author puts into play (The reality is always a creation of the author). In fiction, the only rule the free author's imagination has to obey is: 'you can please your readers (you included) or not;that depends on how you play". So it's an aesthetical rule related to what has or not meaning to your readers. And it's like the only consequent rule the reality of a fictional world has to obey is: "you can be liked or not (you don't even have to be logical or coherent)". That's all.
In short, there's no way to know if a theory about OP's end is true or false different than to read the end Oda has choosen or will choose to the story. You can bet the end will be this or that other one, and you can like or dislike possible ends. But you'll never know until the proper end is told.
Just a moment to my philosophical demon to bark here
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I'm really enjoying this so far, it seems like Oda is using the arc to introduce new readers to the story while giving longtime fans lots of charming interaction between popular characters we haven't seen in a while.
That being said, the pages with the three princesses are hard to look at, not only because everyone looks the same but also because Shirahoshi and most of all Rebecca are such super flat characters.
Still, it was nice to see Blue Haired Princess Nami, Pink haired princess nami and mermaid nami meet
Zing!
Nah but I did like seeing those three meet. Guess this is a standard chapter that gets newbies up to speed, tho it does make it slow it serves a purpose so its fine. Hell, I have wanted to see those three Kingdoms meet up for a long time.
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So my theory about the national treasure is that it takes the shape of an item that is currently having the momentum of fate to become a ruler (is this case the pirate king).
So it can change it appearance but is always the same size.
I think it just changed to the strawhat a short time ago and that's why the guy got the bounty posters, to see if it's the same as Luffy's hat.
My other prediction is that the second bounty poster is that of Roger while he was still wearing the hat.If you can get yout hands on this item your own fate would improve till the time the national treasure changed again.
Nice theory. [emoji106]
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I'm pretty curious about the other six treasures just as much as the hat after rereading the chapter a few times. Pretty clear to me that it's in a group of seven different treasures or whatever else they may be. The only theory I can muster is that they're remnants or trophies from the original carriers of the will of D, or the seven families. We know 6
Marshall
Jaguar
Monkey
Portgas
Gol
TrafalgerJust a theory. Actually, it would be cool if the second wanted poster was of someone else with an item that was in some way passed down through those who were inheritors of the will of D.
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The only theory I can muster is that they're remnants or trophies from the original carriers of the will of D, or the seven families. We know 6
Marshall
Jaguar
Monkey
Portgas
Gol
TrafalgerJust a theory. Actually, it would be cool if the second wanted poster was of someone else with an item that was in some way passed down through those who were inheritors of the will of D.
Shanks could be a D. as well, probably a new D. Family or he could be a Portgas:ninja:
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The point is what does a hat has got to do with treasure.Would it be like …. It's the last key to finding one piece, like there's some map inside it. There's so much possibilities that it's worthless trying to tie it up right now.One has to re read one piece from the beginning to find traces that leads to what straw hat really means, why Roger has it, why he gave it to shanks and why shanks gave it to Luffy.
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If Oda was a about it. He would have Rebecca visit Flamingo in his cell and countdown till the assassin comes and finishes him off just like they did in Town Rosa.
lol
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I'm pretty curious about the other six treasures just as much as the hat after rereading the chapter a few times. Pretty clear to me that it's in a group of seven different treasures or whatever else they may be. The only theory I can muster is that they're remnants or trophies from the original carriers of the will of D, or the seven families. We know 6
Marshall
Jaguar
Monkey
Portgas
Gol
TrafalgerJust a theory. Actually, it would be cool if the second wanted poster was of someone else with an item that was in some way passed down through those who were inheritors of the will of D.
Didn't Whitebeard say Marshall D Teach wasn't really a D?
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Average chapter at it's best.
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If you look closely at the guy behind the "save me, or kill me"-guy, you can spot a fin on his neck and also what Looks like gills on his neck. I'd say that is a fishman.
Interesting Point, the wall Enel is staring at. But I think that this isn't a strawhat, but a section-cut of the moon. The winged People made the small robots there an you even got that round electricity-device on that wall, which is later (or before?) activated by Enel's powers. So I guess this wall Shows the insides of the moon.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I still like that theory, where you use the AWs to destroy the 2 Points of the RL to unite all oceans. This would explain why Roger did it not himself (Shirahoshi wasn't Born during his Age, so there was no Poseidon to control the seakings and Migration of FI was impossibe).
EDIT: And the Name of MaryGeoise' main Castle also is foreshadowing its own destruction, I mean Pangea was the supercontinent, which has split up to the continents we have now.
Pretty damn sure, the holy land will get destroyed in the end. Aside from their employees, only jerks live up there. Everyone else will get an Ultimatum to leave the place, maybe even the CDs to live as commoners, but then the place gets blown up.Though I still can't be certain why that huge hat is so important. It might be JoyBoy's, but even if Doffy would "Spill the beans" about it, who could give a ***k? If the hat is from the void century, then nobody could use that info from Doffy, unless this hat has some Kind of world-ruling ability.
I also like the idea, that the hat isn't the only treasure @ MaryGeoise, cause there are spots for other treasures as well. But the spot with the hat is the only one with "light", so it might be the most important. Though I don't have a clue why. Maybe the crown guy just turned the light on above the Strawhat.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
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yeah but even if it's joyboy's hat, why would it be a treasure? why keep it?Unless the hat has some mindblowing ability, I honestly don't have a clue, why they Keep it or preserve it from rotting (because that vault indicates low temperatures).
Your thought isn't bad as well, though if Roger had the same hat that Luffy has now, that item would Show a Strawhat for the 2nd time as a Symbol of threat for the WG. I also don't know why the WG didn't get rid of Luffy while he was "weaker". If a "2nd Roger" appeared, I'd use all my Forces to get rid of him, if I was from the WG. So, before that item turned into a strawhat, it probably has shown Dragon's cheek-Tattoo as a Symbol of threat or the WG. -
Anyone know if Marie Geoise is French or something else? Just given the brutality of the French Revolution, it seems the name would have given us a clue in foreshadowing we should be getting ready for an epic bout of righteous vengeance.
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Anyone know if Marie Geoise is French or something else? Just given the brutality of the French Revolution, it seems the name would have given us a clue in foreshadowing we should be getting ready for an epic bout of righteous vengeance.
I figured Marie Geoise is based on Bourgeoisie, which is indeed French.
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Anyone know if Marie Geoise is French or something else? Just given the brutality of the French Revolution, it seems the name would have given us a clue in foreshadowing we should be getting ready for an epic bout of righteous vengeance.
Combination of Marie Antoinette and Bourgeois, with the former noteworthy for being pulled from grace and beheaded for treason during the French Revolution, and the latter being a term for the property owning middle class. Bourgeois just seems to refer to the arrogance and affluence of the WG and the CDs, but I would very much like to hope that the Marie Antoinette half of the name is foreshadowing.
What I really want to know about this new name is how we should pronounce it. The French way of saying Bourgeois is pretty different from our old Mariejoa assumption. Japanese is full of words that are written one way and spelled the characters for another, but it's a bit harder to get away with that in English. If we're spelling it French we wanna pronounce it that way too.
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What I really want to know about this new name is how we should pronounce it. The French way of saying Bourgeois is pretty different from our old Mariejoa assumption. Japanese is full of words that are written one way and spelled the characters for another, but it's a bit harder to get away with that in English. If we're spelling it French we wanna pronounce it that way too.
The pronunciation is the same as before, the thing with katakana is that we know the pronunciation instantly we just don't know how to romanize it. マリージョア ("Marī" is as the Marie in Marie Antoinette and the "joa" is as the "geois" in "bourgeois" - the masculine form, instead of the "geoise" in bourgeoise).
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From Marie Joy to Marie Antoinette the bourgeoise. Is this a retcon? I ponder
Well, the "e" isn't silent though
Whatever, just https://translate.google.com/?hl=fr#en/fr/Mary%20GeoiseEvery nation gets the government it deserves.–-- Joseph de Maistre
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A big hat covered in ice?
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The pronunciation is the same as before, the thing with katakana is that we know the pronunciation instantly we just don't know how to romanize it. マリージョア ("Marī" is as the Marie in Marie Antoinette and the "joa" is as the "geois" in "bourgeois" - the masculine form, instead of the "geoise" in bourgeoise).
Ah, I shouldn't have had to ask in the first place, it is actually basically the same. The damn French language puts so many superfluous vowels on the end of everything, I lost track of which ones I was and wasn't meant to pronounce. I was giving a sound to the e on the end of Geoise when I shouldn't have been. Everything makes a lot more sense now, thanks.
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Well, the "e" isn't silent though
Whatever, just https://translate.google.com/?hl=fr#en/fr/Mary%20GeoiseIt shouldn't be, but it is in this particular case since it is マリージョア and not マリージョアズ.
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'Geoise' being taken from 'burgeoise' makes sense only for the phonetics. Becuase celestial dragon are everything but burgeoises, they are slaver aristocrats.
Well, it doesn't have to be a reference for everything
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LOL, speaking of aristocrats, I hope at some point we see a mock version of the joke done in play format to taunt them before their ousting.
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Your thought isn't bad as well, though if Roger had the same hat that Luffy has now, that item would Show a Strawhat for the 2nd time as a Symbol of threat for the WG.
well not really..roger was a big pirate but he never went against the world government itself…basically as robin explained back at the gallely la between enies lobby and thriller bark, pirates are a thron in the side of the marines but they would never challenge the WG directly, that is the role of the revolutionaries.
I also don't know why the WG didn't get rid of Luffy while he was "weaker". If a "2nd Roger" appeared, I'd use all my Forces to get rid of him, if I was from the WG. So, before that item turned into a strawhat, it probably has shown Dragon's cheek-Tattoo as a Symbol of threat or the WG.
well the bounty poster seems to indicate that only now luffy has become big enough to be considered by the celestial dragons of some importance, otherwise the guy/gal in the shadowns would stare a hole on the bounty posters only now.
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I'm pretty curious about the other six treasures just as much as the hat after rereading the chapter a few times. Pretty clear to me that it's in a group of seven different treasures or whatever else they may be. The only theory I can muster is that they're remnants or trophies from the original carriers of the will of D, or the seven families. We know 6
Marshall
Jaguar
Monkey
Portgas
Gol
TrafalgerJust a theory. Actually, it would be cool if the second wanted poster was of someone else with an item that was in some way passed down through those who were inheritors of the will of D.
I feel lost… when/where was it stated there are 6+ national treasures?
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I feel lost… when/where was it stated there are 6+ national treasures?
It never was, however there are a total of 7 alcoves shown in the vault of chapter 906 so several theories currently revolve around each of them holding an item of similar importance to the oversized straw hat - however important that may be.
It would be severe trolling on Oda's part if that hat had anything to do with the yeti cool brothers, though
(as someone pointed in Greg's thread).
